Project: Cummins/Mercruiser

[shueman]

New development with Eliminator...500+ hp with 1000lb of torque...

http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/514/cummins_01.jpg

http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/514/cummins_03.jpg

http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/514/cummins_02.jpg

Motors are going into this 43' Eagle...
http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/514/43rbw_01.jpg

Target delivery date is the Ft Lauderdale Boat Show...:cool:

[BadBlown572]

Any idea what these motors weigh? Awesome concept. #6's I assume??? :thumbsup

[shueman]

Any idea what these motors weigh? Awesome concept. #6's I assume??? :thumbsup
Danny, I get more details this coming week...it's been a target direction of Bob's for a few years...not sure on the drives...might be a variation on the NXT...:hmm

More C/M info here: Cummins/Merc Website (http://www.cmdmarine.com/)

[RiverDave]

Definately looking forward to seeing how this comes together! With a 1000 lb's of torque I'm interested in knowing which drive they'll go with as well.

RD

[RvRrat]

i'd like to see what size/type props they'll use. maybe 40" + pitch + huge dia's due to the low revving diesels?

[boatnam2]

There was a cat last weekend in parker, i swear everytime he went by it sounded like a dsl.He was running it hard ....

[Phebus]

I know both HTM and Dominator have made a diesel powered cat.

[RiverDave]

i'd like to see what size/type props they'll use. maybe 40" + pitch + huge dia's due to the low revving diesels?

I don't think they make props pitched that tall. They'll more likely change the gear ratio in the drive.

RD

[RvRrat]

I don't think they make props pitched that tall. They'll more likely change the gear ratio in the drive.

RD

Read an old article the other day, looks like they're using 1.25 gear ratios no transmission on smaller boats, transmissions on larger boats. Still very tall props though. I think it was in that mag whose name we do not mention.

[RiverDave]

Read an old article the other day, looks like they're using 1.25 gear ratios no transmission on smaller boats, transmissions on larger boats. Still very tall props though. I think it was in that mag whose name we do not mention.

You can mention any name ya like.. I don't have any issue with Hotboat. A lot of the members do, which includes some of my staff, but that is their own deal. After they apollogized to me for a misunderstanding, all is good in the hood as far as I'm concerned.

I don't know if that feeling is mutual or not, but I don't care either?

RD

[BadBlown572]

I know that quite a few manufacturers have tried doing this setup. Most failed pretty bad. :( One diesel powered boat was taken to the Power Boat Trials & Bob Teague's comment was something along the lines of "excellent concept, but not ready for release onto the open market."


As far as I know, pretty much everything that was done on the performance diesel market was/is based off of the 6.6L duramax motor. I understand that there were quite a few problems with the cooling systems as well as the turbo systems. I really would like to know how much the Mercury system weighs. The Duramax motor is between 1k-1,100 lbs. That is a heavy motor considering at a BBC usually weighs right around 800lbs. The power to weight ratio of a diesel usually sucks! Knowing Mercury, they probably have most of the bugs worked out and I am looking forward to seeing how the new projects over there turn out! :)

[shueman]

I checked the spec brochure today on the motor and it is the 480hp 5.9L motor, weighing in at 1350lbs...:hmm

Fuel consumption averages 1gph per 20hp with diesel, accourding to what I've read, which equates to <50gph. A comparable gas installation would approximate to nearly double that figure...:eek:

[RiverDave]

I checked the spec brochure today on the motor and it is the 480hp 5.9L motor, weighing in at 1350lbs...:hmm

Fuel consumption averages 1gph per 20hp with diesel, accourding to what I've read, which equates to <50gph. A comparable gas installation would approximate to nearly double that figure...:eek:

There's no question that diesels are most likely the way of the future..

Either that or alcohol. ;) :D

RD

[shueman]

There's no question that diesels are most likely the way of the future..

Either that or alcohol. ;) :D

RD
Doin' the math on Bob's red Speedster (160ga fuel storage), he's got about 45 minutes of WOT available...Islander to the Springs and back, then fill 'er up again...:D

[RiverDave]

Doin' the math on Bob's red Speedster (160ga fuel storage), he's got about 45 minutes of WOT available...Islander to the Springs and back, then fill 'er up again...:D

Runnin any boat that fast for more then a minute or two is asking for trouble.. Either engines, or the grim reaper.. :D Or both?

RD

[ROZ]

SWEET... I figure the direction will have to change at some point..

[shueman]

Moving along on the 43 Eagle...them diesels are HUGE...:eek: Cool electronics with DTS relay controls (no cables)...:cool:

[BadBlown572]

I really like this project. :) Was that a standard Gaffrig shifter or did you guys have to modify it for the controlls? The "fly by wire" technology is definitely getting into boats a lot more. I know that on some motors Indmar has the ability to use throttle position sensors or standard cables to operate the EFI system on the boat.

Is this boat being built in Mira Loma or in Perris?

[shueman]

I really like this project. :) Was that a standard Gaffrig shifter or did you guys have to modify it for the controlls? The "fly by wire" technology is definitely getting into boats a lot more. I know that on some motors Indmar has the ability to use throttle position sensors or standard cables to operate the EFI system on the boat.

Is this boat being built in Mira Loma or in Perris?
Danny, it's in Mira Loma...I'll get by on Wed to check the progress...:cool:

Shifter was right "out of the box" from Merc...

[shueman]

Rigging is moving along on the 43 Cummins...
http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/cummins_21.jpg

http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/cummins_22.jpg

Motors are in with just "inches" to spare...
http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/cummins_16.jpg

http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/cummins_14.jpg

[shueman]

Backside of the dash...processors galore...
http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/cummins_12.jpg

Full interior cabin going at the same time...
http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/cummins_24.jpg

New sea strainers developed by Teague...
http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/sea-strainer-02.jpg

New design corrison-resistant NXT drives...
http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/cummins_25.jpg

Drivetrain will start with 1.35 gears and labbed 38p 5-blades, targeting 75-80mph running speed...

[jordy]

That's a cool project. Will be interesting to see how it all turns out. Thanks for the update!!! :beer:D

[shueman]

Tnks...:thumbsup So much "first time / one off" stuff goin' on....gotta finish it in 2 weeks...:eek:

[BadBlown572]

Did you guys re-spray the gimbals white?



Looks bad ass. Looks like that thing is a nightmare to rig! :mad:

[LBsuperJET]

dude this thing is gonna float waay low in the water w/ these motors! unless there's something im missing...any input? love this thread!

Reid

[shueman]

Got a few more pix...but been way to "buzy" to get 'em posted...:rolleyes:

Boat will Lake Test on Sunday @Elsinore, then ship-out to FtL on Monday...:thumbsup

The "boys" are workin' no-stop to git-r-done...:beer

[shueman]

Seats...
http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/seats_01.jpg

Interior...
http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/medium/DSCF11411.JPG

AC/DC panel...
http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/interior_041.jpg

Fuel Management...
http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/rigging_01.jpg

Motor mounts done...
http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/rigging_06.jpg

Engine bay about ready...
http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/medium/DSCF1154.JPG

[shueman]

Boat should be close to done...will find out more PM on Friday...:thumbsup
It's shipping to Lauderdale on Monday...

If, by chance, your at the show and would like a VIP Demo Ride, email Jake Fraleigh (jake@eliminatorboat.com) and he will hook you up...:cool:

[shueman]

Just got some more updates via email...

http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/medium/DSC_00593.JPG

http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/medium/DSC_00632.JPG

http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/medium/DSC_00292.JPG

http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/medium/DSC_00322.JPG

http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/medium/DSC_00302.JPG

[shueman]

http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/medium/DSC_00362.JPG

http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/medium/DSC_00601.JPG

All Hands On Deck...:cool:
http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/medium/DSC_00571.JPG

Even the "boss" is pitching in...:thumbsup
http://www.performanceboats.com/html/youBoat/data/604/medium/DSC_00523.JPG

[jordy]

That thing is turning out great. Gotta love the little angle on the driveline on the starboard engine. Little tight huh??? :D :D :D

[shueman]

That thing is turning out great. Gotta love the little angle on the driveline on the starboard engine. Little tight huh??? :D :D :D
Good eye, as always...:thumbsup Yea, we could used a few extra inches in 'all" directions...:D

[Flying_Lavey]

Damn! That looks like it will be an awesome boat! If anybody could get a diesel to work in a performance boat, it would be Eliminator! since those are the 5.9L motors, Im assuming they are the Variable Geometry turbos? Im wondering how well the VGT's will work with water? Maybe a more traditional turbo with wastegate would be a better performance method. (just thoughts running through my head)

[MoVal Tim]

The boat looks great!!

You still testing it Sunday at Elsinore?

Wouldn't mind coming out to look, but I might have another obligation (with Wifey). :rolleyes:

Hope all goes well when you run it.:thumbsup

[shueman]

The boat looks great!!

You still testing it Sunday at Elsinore?

Wouldn't mind coming out to look, but I might have another obligation (with Wifey). :rolleyes:

Hope all goes well when you run it.:thumbsup
Yea, still looking at AM Sunday...around 8am or so...:cool:

[shueman]

Pulled a Sat "all-nighter"...got it fired Sun afternoon...:beer Mike from Cummins was there with us, along with Larry Smith, the entire Eliminator Crew, and others...:thumbsup

NO THANKS TO MERCRUISER/SMARTCRAFT....:skull YOUR $H!T DIDN'T WORK and you would NOT return our calls :swear....F'n Made in F'n China CRAP....:thumbsdown

[MoVal Tim]

Pulled a Sat "all-nighter"...got it fired Sun afternoon...:beer Mike from Cummins was there with us, along with Larry Smith, the entire Eliminator Crew, and others...:thumbsup

NO THANKS TO MERCRUISER/SMARTCRAFT....:skull YOUR $H!T DIDN'T WORK and you would NOT return our calls :swear....F'n Made in F'n China CRAP....:thumbsdown


Don't hold back now. Tell us how you really feel.:D

Just kidding. You guys must have been frustrated.

Glad to hear you got it running.:thumbsup:thumbsup

[shueman]

No biggie...their loss...:D

Here's a short video as it emerged from the shop...YouTube - 43 Eagle - Cummins Diesel Powered

[jordy]

WOW, what a great looking boat!!! :D :D :D

[XtrmWakeborder]

That boat is the shit! Plain and simple. Holy crap:eek:

[shueman]

Play'd around with the various pictures and put this vid together...:beer

YouTube - 43' Eagle Slide Show

Simply AMAZING when you consider this boat was just a can of gelcoat and resin 7 weeks ago...:eek:

[DeltaSigBoater]

Play'd around with the various pictures and put this vid together...:beer

YouTube - 43' Eagle Slide Show (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHVJMv2ziN0)

Simply AMAZING when you consider this boat was just a can of gelcoat and resin 7 weeks ago...:eek:

That is badass to say the least!

Nice little slide show :thumbsup

[H2oSki2Fast]

This must have been the boat I saw headin east on monday, all shink wrapped and being pulled by a white f350.

[shueman]

This must have been the boat I saw headin east on monday, all shink wrapped and being pulled by a white f350.

That it was....left 'round 10am or so...they should be in Florida now...:thumbsup

[MoVal Tim]

WOW!

That boat has a beautiful gel coat and color scheme.

Looks great Shueman.:thumbsup:thumbsup

[shueman]

Tony and Jeff got into Panama City around 8:30p Wed night...:eek:

Ran the boat on Thursday with a 5 big guys and 240ga of fuel. Boat itself weighs in a 13k lbs. Very, very pleased with the initial test run of 4-5 miles across the open ocean. :beer

70mph on the rev limiter at 3400rpm
18sec to plane
NO black smoke
24gph at speed :thumbsup

[Tom Brown]

Panama City? Are your lakes frozen already?

I don't understand the idea of taking such a new and experimental boat so far. Why not shake it down a little closer to home?

Anyway, great project and I look forward to hearing more. Diesel seems like such a good match for a boat.

[Tom Brown]

Any updates?

[shueman]

Any updates?
The 43 is on it's way back from the Ft Lauderdale Show...should be on Lake Havasu for Thanksgiving (I think)....

I'm on my way back from Rochester...:eek: Delivered a 28 Speedster and picked up a 22 Daytona in Buffalo...LONG ASS drive...:D

[shueman]

Here's some video of the 43' Eagle at Havasu during Thanksgiving...

Aerial View
YouTube - RunningVideo_LORES-2.wmv

Cabin View
YouTube - 43Diesel_CabinView.wmv

Bay Idle
YouTube - Circle_Idle.asf

[RiverDave]

Looks like it runs pretty good!

RD