12' Schiada Father / Son Project

[RiverDave]

This has been sitting out back of Schiada underneath a tarp for a few years.. Lee was going to build it for himself, but he has so much going on he just doesn't have the time to do it. I.E. it sitting there for a few years. ;) So with a little coaxing he finally caved in and sold it to me.

We bought the boat sight unseen, just becuase 12'ers are EXTREMELY rare (point in fact I think they only built 3 or 4 of them?) so getting a new unrigged hull is a gem in itself.

Andy01 went by Schiada when they pulled the tarp off of it and took some pics for me. :)

This is one of 2 "mini" Schiada's that I'll be building. The 2nd one is currently at Dana boats being prepared to regel coat it. That thread will be up over the weekend sometime I expect. :)

[RiverDave]

They cleaned the boat up a little bit to prepare to it to goto Long Beach, where the boat will be wetsanded and buffed (it never was, it was just popped out of the mold and stored from what I understand) and reconditioned a bit, to make sure it's a "new" Schiada.. ;)

Currently the boat is in Long Beach, I haven't seen it since these pics were taken. After it's buffed and ready to go, we'll start the build process, on the boat.. I expect it will take a year to 2 years before it hits water..

RD

[BadBlown572]

So is this going to be a project for you and your old man? If so, I can only imagine what gears are turning in his head. :D :skull

[River]

The gel looks good. Will this be the surface drive boat? Are you going to change the OB section of the deck?

Cav plates too?:thumbsup

[RiverDave]

The gel looks good. Will this be the surface drive boat? Are you going to change the OB section of the deck?

Cav plates too?:thumbsup

I might change the OB section of the deck.. That is already being done on the 10'er to make it a "flat deck" ;)

My dad wants to do a surface drive. I want to do an Outboard.

Today's argument was "CG" of the boat.. He is opposed to sticking the fuel tank in the front of it because the "CG" changes as the fuel empties..

He wants a belly tank (not an option) or saddle tanks in the center of the boat.

The only thing I know for certain at this point, is we'll be bypassing the little "compartment" behind the seat, and pushing the seat all the way back, with an extended steering column (ski race style), and manual cav plates / foot throttle etc..

After it's all cleaned up we'll take a drive up to Schiada to see it in person and measure somethings and decide which route to take. My bank roll can't keep up with his though, so this will be a long process.

RD

[BadBlown572]

I might change the OB section of the deck.. That is already being done on the 10'er to make it a "flat deck" ;)

My dad wants to do a surface drive. I want to do an Outboard.

Today's argument was "CG" of the boat.. He is opposed to sticking the fuel tank in the front of it because the "CG" changes as the fuel empties..

He wants a belly tank (not an option) or saddle tanks in the center of the boat.

The only thing I know for certain at this point, is we'll be bypassing the little "compartment" behind the seat, and pushing the seat all the way back, with an extended steering column (ski race style), and manual cav plates / foot throttle etc..

After it's all cleaned up we'll take a drive up to Schiada to see it in person and measure somethings and decide which route to take. My bank roll can't keep up with his though, so this will be a long process.

RD

You could always do twin surface drives or twin jets and couple them together to a Hayabusa motor located up under the deck. :skull Imagine a 12' boat with 185h.p. in it. :D

[.boatpoor]

Dave can you clarify for me that there was a 10`er and now there`s a 12`er. When did Lee make the mold for this one. Hard to tell from the pics that if in fact this is a true 12`er that would be pretty, a better proportioned boat I think.

[River]

You could always do twin surface drives or twin jets and couple them together to a Hayabusa motor located up under the deck. :skull Imagine a 12' boat with 185h.p. in it. :D


You need to run with that.:D

It would be pretty sporty to have the fastest little Schiada running around...:thumbsup

[River]

Dave can you clarify for me that there was a 10`er and now there`s a 12`er. When did Lee make the mold for this one. Hard to tell from the pics that if in fact this is a true 12`er that would be pretty, a better proportioned boat I think.

They built 12 footers. I've worked on one. The more, the better.:cool:

[.boatpoor]

I`ve never seen a 12`er befor, got any pics?

[RiverDave]

the pics above are of the 12' Schiada. it's not a 10'er. I will post pics of the 10 later so you can see them side by side.

[ROZ]

Was the red one you built a 12 footer?

[BadBlown572]

Was the red one you built a 12 footer?

10'er

[mbrown2]

Very cool...I like the twin option...lots of twin jets sitting out there from broken down Sea Doo boats...and you could go with some cool motorcycle motors to get some power out of them...also a twin jet would be a blast for turning and navigating...

Heck just searched and found this...you could have your engine/drives for 2800 and sell the hull for $1000...
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/boa/876900808.html

[RiverDave]

Is seadoo making a single engine twin jet deal? Or was this 2 engines 2 jets?

Truthfully I think just a normal Sea Doo jet with some HP behind it would do the job.. That is if I liked Jetboats. :D

RD

[BadBlown572]

Is seadoo making a single engine twin jet deal? Or was this 2 engines 2 jets?

Truthfully I think just a normal Sea Doo jet with some HP behind it would do the job.. That is if I liked Jetboats. :D

RD

The Sea Doo's are usually twin engine twin jet boats. Most of them have built in place diverters on the jets too. :) If it were me, I would put a street bike engine in it with twin jets coupled together. :)

[SuperDave013]

I hope you guys know when this turns into a build thread I'll be deleting all your jibber jabber.. :D

Nebb, I like that motor!

RD

the one we ran has dry stack pipes coming right off the head. They look like big mega phones. It was the coolest engine I've ever had my hands on.

I used to play around with small boats a lot. GW Invaders were the hot deal where I lived. But I had a home built lil 8' "Class A" jobbie with a 15 HP Johnny. Then I scored a 1950 Mark 10 merc for it (i cleaned the bottom of a very nasty pontoon in trade). It ran way faster with that old 10 then it ever did with the newer 15.

I loved that old Mark 10 and wish I still had if for sure.

Here is a sweet Mark 10 on youtube. scootin right along for 2 adults in the boat too. No way would a new 10hp (9.8) push it that fast. Of course I ditched the cover on mine for a sleaker / racier look. lol

YouTube- 1949 Mercury KF7 Super 10 Lightning

[RiverDave]

The difference between the 10 and 12' is in the cockpit lenght.

aRDy, if you put a jet in one of those things, you are a fool.

Not just the cockpit length. The 12'er is I think 4 inches wider as well, which would make it a different boat all together?

RD

[.boatpoor]

Not just the cockpit length. The 12'er is I think 4 inches wider as well, which would make it a different boat all together?

RD

I call BS, Dave you think it`s wider too. So you don`t know for sure.:beer

[RiverDave]

I call BS, Dave you think it`s wider too. So you don`t know for sure.:beer

I went and saw it in person for the 1st time yesterday. It's definately wider.

RD

[RiverDave]

bump..

RD

[svlperry]

any updates on this

[RiverDave]

any updates on this

Trailers will be built here very shortly.. The 12 is currently at Schiada. the 10'er will be at Schiada this week.

RD

[.boatpoor]

So pics are comin right?:D

[RiverDave]

So pics are comin right?:D

As soon as I have them, they'll be on here. :)

RD

[RiverDave]

Went by Schiada to drop off my 10'er.. they are going to be doing some glass work, and building the trailers for me. :)

Checked on the 12'er when I was up there. They have it sitting in between all the big boats. :D Took me awhile to find it.

Things will start progressing a long here pretty soon!

RD

[Flying_Lavey]

Any update on power train for this little sucka?

[RiverDave]

Just got the call. They are laying out the trailers now.. :)

RD

[.boatpoor]

Who"s doin the trailer, Livingston?:D

[RiverDave]

Who"s doin the trailer, Livingston?:D

Stan and mike are building it. :)

RD

[hawkes24]

when its done are you gonna be keeping these at your place in parker?

[RiverDave]

when its done are you gonna be keeping these at your place in parker?

Absolutely. :)

RD

[svlperry]

any updates on this

[RiverDave]

Just getting the trailers built so far. They are both up at Schiada right now. I expect the trailers to be completed a little before christmas.

Schiada Van Nuys is moving right now and it will take sometime to get them moved / resetup etc..

RD

[Community]

Where they going? Still in VN?

[RiverDave]

I'm not sure.. I know they are packing and loading up right now though. Heir old shop and surrounding property was bought buy the school district so there wasn't much choice on the move.

RD

[summerguy]

What would you measure to determine if it's a 10' or a 12', my friend just picked one up and isn't sure what it is...

[Outdrive1]

What would you measure to determine if it's a 10' or a 12', my friend just picked one up and isn't sure what it is...

post a pic. The 12 has a little hatch behind the front seat. The 10' has the seat against the back. Post a pic anyhow so we can see what's going on.;):thumbsup

[RiverDave]

What would you measure to determine if it's a 10' or a 12', my friend just picked one up and isn't sure what it is...

The odds are 99.9% it's a 10'er.. They only built 4 12'ers.. and I know where 3 of them are. Not saying it's impossible, just very improbable.

RD

[RiverDave]

What would you measure to determine if it's a 10' or a 12', my friend just picked one up and isn't sure what it is...

Measure from the bow to the transom and see how long it is.

RD

[SangerDude]

Nice boat there! Waaaaaaaaaay nice...

[RiverDave]

Did someone say triple? :D

Thanks Marc for the pics!

RD

[Paul65k]

So I was the owner of the 1st 12' Schiada..... you could even say that without me there might not be a 12' Schiada :cool:

Lee actually built the 12' mold from our 10 footer that I had all but torn the bottom off of while driving it (just a little hard maybe??) on Havasu!!

The 10' boat was a huge amount of fun (especially 20 years ago before the invasion of the huge boats on Havasu) but one too many "Mega Air" flights finally took it's toll, One day it was sitting in the water tied up at the back of our house in Havasu Palms.....after a little rough water fun and found that the last 3' of the outer hull was well...............missing :swear

So................I took it to Lee and after the insurance settlement I want back up there (when he was still in Gardena) and saw for the first time a new 12' mold made from the remnants of my by then totaled 10 footer which had been "Sacrificed" for a good cause!!

Well the challenge was on.......Lee told me that he was going to lay this one up extra tough and he said "There is no way you are going to break this one":skull

So we put everything on it......it twas freaking awesome (in the day), had very nice interior with a hatch behind the seat,ski pole, built in fuel talk (that was a great foot rest BTW), all the cool blue anodized hardware with Speedo, Tach, Fuel Gage and an engine instrument or 2 and even the then brand new "Pop up Cleats".....can't remember all the goodies.

On the back was a Tohatsu 40HP motor with electric trim on a custom "Dana" bracket....also Blue anodized. Needless to say it was very fun I even have pictures somewhere (pre digital cameras) showing it hanging on the prop with everything out of the water.....including the Skeg!!

The challenge was on and remember Lee said "There's no way you are going to break this one"........so I was invincible in that little guy....until I broke it:D........we had a bit of an issue with the stringer delaminating a bit but Lee was awesome and took care of it, laying it up even more stout and again the challenge was on and back to Havasu we went:champagne:

Well I was younger then and managed to do a little more damage and by now Lee was a little less confident that "there was no way you are going to break this one"....at least ME breaking it:rolleyes:

Lee was amazing throughout the whole thing and we eventually worked a deal on a 21RC that I NEVER Broke :rotflmao:

As a matter of fact my boat was in his brochure for a number of years we actually showed it as a very cool package hooked up to the GMC Typhoon that I used to pull it back and forth to the River ......that was cool!

So...........while Lee was certainly the Father of the 12 footer I DO feel responsible for making the whole thing possible:D:D:D

[RyanPartridge]

So I was the owner of the 1st 12' Schiada..... you could even say that without me there might not be a 12' Schiada :cool:

Lee actually built the 12' mold from our 10 footer that I had all but torn the bottom off of while driving it (just a little hard maybe??) on Havasu!!

The 10' boat was a huge amount of fun (especially 20 years ago before the invasion of the huge boats on Havasu) but one too many "Mega Air" flights finally took it's toll, One day it was sitting in the water tied up at the back of our house in Havasu Palms.....after a little rough water fun and found that the last 3' of the outer hull was well...............missing :swear

So................I took it to Lee and after the insurance settlement I want back up there (when he was still in Gardena) and saw for the first time a new 12' mold made from the remnants of my by then totaled 10 footer which had been "Sacrificed" for a good cause!!

Well the challenge was on.......Lee told me that he was going to lay this one up extra tough and he said "There is no way you are going to break this one":skull

So we put everything on it......it twas freaking awesome (in the day), had very nice interior with a hatch behind the seat,ski pole, built in fuel talk (that was a great foot rest BTW), all the cool blue anodized hardware with Speedo, Tach, Fuel Gage and an engine instrument or 2 and even the then brand new "Pop up Cleats".....can't remember all the goodies.

On the back was a Tohatsu 40HP motor with electric trim on a custom "Dana" bracket....also Blue anodized. Needless to say it was very fun I even have pictures somewhere (pre digital cameras) showing it hanging on the prop with everything out of the water.....including the Skeg!!

The challenge was on and remember Lee said "There's no way you are going to break this one"........so I was invincible in that little guy....until I broke it:D........we had a bit of an issue with the stringer delaminating a bit but Lee was awesome and took care of it, laying it up even more stout and again the challenge was on and back to Havasu we went:champagne:

Well I was younger then and managed to do a little more damage and by now Lee was a little less confident that "there was no way I you are going to break this one"....at least ME breaking it:rolleyes

Lee was amazing throughout the whole thing and we eventually worked a deal on a 21RC that I NEVER Broke :rotflmao:

As a matter of fact my boat was in his brochure for a number of years we actually showed it as a very cool package hooked up to the GMC Typhoon that I used to pull it back and forth to the River ......that was cool!

So...........while Lee was certainly the Father of the 12 footer I DO feel responsible for making the whole thing possible:D:D:D

Go scan those old photos now. ;)

[Paul65k]

Might take a few weeks.

All the old pics of the 12 footer are in Havasu so I'll have to get them next time I'm out there.

[RiverDave]

1st pics of it until I pick it up either tomorrow or monday. :)

RD

[RiverDave]

Spring setup.. :)

RD

[Havasu Dreamin]

If two is good three has to be better! Cannot wait to see the finished product.

[Halvecto]

So where is the new Skunkworks Schiada shop? I drove by the old shop in Panorama City the other day and it is gone. I always thought that was a bazaar location!

[OutCole'd]

That trailer looks so f'n cool Dave, I can't wait to see the finished product.

[Jet-Daytona]

1st pics of it until I pick it up either tomorrow or monday. :)

RD

Dave the tire size and fender width set it off perfect,good job:thumbsup

[River]

That outboard better have a mean trailer trim...:D:D Badass low trailer...:thumbsup

[RiverDave]

That outboard better have a mean trailer trim...:D:D Badass low trailer...:thumbsup

Yeah I'm wondering about that.. LOL

RD

[svlperry]

any updates on this

[RiverDave]

any updates on this

Triple axle is painted and done, and waiting to be picked up.. I'm hoping to go get it here next week.

RD

[rivergames]

Triple axle is painted and done, and waiting to be picked up.. I'm hoping to go get it here next week.

RD

Dave, I saw It at Trevors when I dropped my trailer off. That sucker is Fucking SIIIICK man. Seriously made me want to chop my POS up and take a loan to get a new one made.

[RiverDave]

Triple Axle is finished for the 12'er.. :)

(I'll get some better pics here shortly)

RD

[RiverDave]

12'er cleaned up, trailer finished, drop through fins installed and ready to come home. :)

RD

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[rivermobster]

Congrats Dave. :cool:

[SchiadaSteve]

Congrates Dave, that looks so legit! What engine are you going to put on it?
How many of the 12'er did Lee build?

[River Lynchmob]

Looks great...is that one of Alexi's motor in the back ground?

[lakemadness]

Dave, that thing looks awesome, going to be a blast I'm sure.

what power?

[Cole Trickle]

12'er cleaned up, trailer finished, drop through fins installed and ready to come home. :)

RD

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I really like the 12':):cool:

The 10's just seem like little play toys. I think you could actually have fun and use the 12 with 2 people in it.

[River]

Looks great...is that one of Alexi's motor in the back ground?

Shoulda put that baby inside of his 12' to see what it looked like, LOL...

[1fastsedan]

looks great, i cant wait to see in the water. it was nice meeting you last weekend Dave.

[SKIA36]

Beautiful boat and trailer.

It doesnt match the fleet colors, whats up with that?

[RiverDave]

Congrates Dave, that looks so legit! What engine are you going to put on it?
How many of the 12'er did Lee build?

Schiada only built 4 of them. Lee has one, I have one, the flyingvees have one and the other I have no idea where it is. Probably be a 75-90 hp motor.

Lynch, that is Alexis motor in the background.

Linder, if it wasn't a brand new never been rigged hull I'd gel it.. I will do the custom glass work (flat deck the back) and some gel work but not regel the whole boat. Now that it's washed I'm debating on whether I even want to change the lift blue on it. I originally wanted to change that to greys.

RD

[Paul65k]

All I know is that I HAD THE FIRST ONE that was ever made:champagne::champagne:

I traded it back to Lee for a 21' RC....I wonder if that's the one he still has??

It was a kick in the ass and I wish I still had it!!!

[svlperry]

any update on this

[RiverDave]

All I know is that I HAD THE FIRST ONE that was ever made:champagne::champagne:

I traded it back to Lee for a 21' RC....I wonder if that's the one he still has??

It was a kick in the ass and I wish I still had it!!!

The one you have is now owned by Jamie and Charmaine my neighbors in the keys..

RD

[funkcity]

I assume the 12 is a stretched 10.
Is it just an additional 2 feet added to the stern both hull and deck or does it involve a new mold, stretched bow section etc..???

[RiverDave]

I assume the 12 is a stretched 10.
Is it just an additional 2 feet added to the stern both hull and deck or does it involve a new mold, stretched bow section etc..???

It's a little taller, wider etc.. Different boat. Similar bottoms but again the 12 is wider.

RD

[svlperry]

any updates on this

[Paul65k]

I assume the 12 is a stretched 10.
Is it just an additional 2 feet added to the stern both hull and deck or does it involve a new mold, stretched bow section etc..???I can tell you EXACTLY what it is......it is exactly the 10' front end of the boat with 2' added to the back in a stretch and extension of the "V".

How would I know this with such certainty you might ask??? Because I was singularly responsible for the 12'er coming into existence.

In September of 1991 after a long day of jumping wakes in my 10' Schiada with a 30 horse OB as I did on a regular basis.....this was before the days when you had to stay at least 50' behind a boat under way.

I came down the stairs to get in the boat and do some more of the same to see that is was sitting pretty low in the water.....Hmmmm I wonder what's going on here:headscratch:....the back of the boat was full of water....Hmmmm. I looked down and saw some fiberglass strands on the back of the boat and holy crap when I reached under there was no bottom......at least the outside hull:eek:. I jumped in, managed to get it started and drove it (Plowed is more like it) to the boat ramp around the other side of the place, managed to get it on the trailer and found that the back 16 - 18" of the hull was freaking gone.....it must have cracked (can't imagine how that happened) and under pressure was "Hydraulic-ed" right off the boat.

So..........Insurance settlement in hand I took the boat to Lee (in Gardena at the time) and said can you fix it???? he said let me see what I can do.......fast forward a month or so and he said come by.....I got something to show you.....when I got there he had taken my 10'er and used it make a mold of what was to become the 12'er....we rigged it with a Tohatsu 40hp, with electric trim, Dana Bracket, internal fuel tank and a full set of gauges.....and the 12'er was born!!

Lee and I had a chance to talk about this at this year's DS Street Fair, he told me that he think they made about 10 of them over the years....I thought I heard 4 once but Lee said 10.

Wish I had that boat today.......it is still running according to RD and it belongs to his neighbor in Parker.......I'd like to get a look at it again some day....that was a very cool boat in it's day!

[skifaster]

I can tell you EXACTLY what it is......it is exactly the 10' front end of the boat with 2' added to the back in a stretch and extension of the "V".

How would I know this with such certainty you might ask??? Because I was singularly responsible for the 12'er coming into existence.

In September of 1991 after a long day of jumping wakes in my 10' Schiada with a 30 horse OB as I did on a regular basis.....this was before the days when you had to stay at least 50' behind a boat under way.

I came down the stairs to get in the boat and do some more of the same to see that is was sitting pretty low in the water.....Hmmmm I wonder what's going on here:headscratch:....the back of the boat was full of water....Hmmmm. I looked down and saw some fiberglass strands on the back of the boat and holy crap when I reached under there was no bottom......at least the outside hull:eek:. I jumped in, managed to get it started and drove it (Plowed is more like it) to the boat ramp around the other side of the place, managed to get it on the trailer and found that the back 16 - 18" of the hull was freaking gone.....it must have cracked (can't imagine how that happened) and under pressure was "Hydraulic-ed" right off the boat.

So..........Insurance settlement in hand I took the boat to Lee (in Gardena at the time) and said can you fix it???? he said let me see what I can do.......fast forward a month or so and he said come by.....I got something to show you.....when I got there he had taken my 10'er and used it make a mold of what was to become the 12'er....we rigged it with a Tohatsu 40hp, with electric trim, Dana Bracket, internal fuel tank and a full set of gauges.....and the 12'er was born!!

Lee and I had a chance to talk about this at this year's DS Street Fair, he told me that he think they made about 10 of them over the years....I thought I heard 4 once but Lee said 10.

Wish I had that boat today.......it is still running according to RD and it belongs to his neighbor in Parker.......I'd like to get a look at it again some day....that was a very cool boat in it's day!

Cool story. As of a year and a half ago, the number was still at 4 when I talked to Lee. Saw pictures of another 1 that they recently built a few months ago on RDP, all red I believe. So maybe Lee has built 6 recently? If so, I'd love to see some pics. I tried to get just a bare hull 12'er, it aint cheap! Still hoping to get one, as of a year and a half ago when Lee and I talked, we knew where all 4 were. Hopefully one pops up for sale.

[Paul65k]

Cool story. As of a year and a half ago, the number was still at 4 when I talked to Lee. Saw pictures of another 1 that they recently built a few months ago on RDP, all red I believe. So maybe Lee has built 6 recently? If so, I'd love to see some pics. I tried to get just a bare hull 12'er, it aint cheap! Still hoping to get one, as of a year and a half ago when Lee and I talked, we knew where all 4 were. Hopefully one pops up for sale.I would buy mine back in a heartbeat but I've been told by RD that if it did become available I'd be 2nd to him:grumble::grumble:

[JBS]

I would buy mine back in a heartbeat but I've been told by RD that if it did become available I'd be 2nd to him:grumble::grumble:

Is it Yellow and White ?

[Paul65k]

Is it Yellow and White ?

No actually it was white (Base) with Blues and Gray Fades in the Gel with a matching upholstry and Blue Anodized Bezels, Dana Bracket for the engine and pop-up cleat trim. It had lights as well.