21' Warlock project...

ka0tyk · Nov 29, 2014

First off, a big thank you to spectrapat and all his help with getting the boat. As you can see, it was a very HOT deal. Most of the interior is toast and I'm not so sure about the floor either, but thats no biggie. My back seat will fit with 1.5" on each side, so thats awesome. Theres general fire damage in a few areas, nothing too major. Theres some gelcoat damage at the helm which I can cover up with an aluminum plate for the dash, and near the transom, not sure what to do there other than paint it to re-gel it and blend it in. Otherwise transom looks to be in good shape.

SpectraPat · Nov 29, 2014

Your welcome. Good luck with the build.

ka0tyk · Nov 30, 2014

tonights progress... getting things torn out and cleaning up. getting general idea of where im at and what needs to be done.

floor looks to be in good shape. no dead spots but unlike the floor i put in the bahner it doesnt appear to be attached to the stringers so it feels "soft" when you walk on it. its also not a 3/4" floor either so its not as solid.

TBulger · Nov 30, 2014

KaOtyk, I don't understand, what's this all about?

ka0tyk · Nov 30, 2014

TBulger said:
KaOtyk, I don't understand, what's this all about?

new(er) to me boat. previous owner had a little fire under the hatch so the interior is a little torched. gutting it and putting in all new just like all the other projects. hopefully i keep this one for a little longer. stripped everything out of my bahner and swapping it to the warlock. it'll look like a brand new boat when im done.

SpectraPat · Nov 30, 2014

ka0tyk said:
tonights progress... getting things torn out and cleaning up. getting general idea of where im at and what needs to be done.

floor looks to be in good shape. no dead spots but unlike the floor i put in the bahner it doesnt appear to be attached to the stringers so it feels "soft" when you walk on it. its also not a 3/4" floor either so its not as solid.

Hey, I forgot I left the battery in there. I need that back for that John Deere tractor next door ( its going to be the wife's Christmas present I need a good deal)

ka0tyk · Nov 30, 2014

SpectraPat said:
Hey, I forgot I left the battery in there. I need that back for that John Deere tractor next door ( its going to be the wife's Christmas present I need a good deal)

come and get it. i dont have any more room in my garage.

SpectraPat · Nov 30, 2014

ka0tyk said:
come and get it. i dont have any more room in my garage.

We're talking about the tractor, right?
PS I saw some room in the left hand corner.

ka0tyk · Dec 1, 2014

SpectraPat said:
We're talking about the tractor, right?
PS I saw some room in the left hand corner.

i asked him about it and he said he's had 3 people come up to him about it. he's 100% not going to keep it but i think he at least wants to get it running. something about taking apart the carb. i gave him your number and told him to give you a ring if he ever wanted to part with it.

djunkie · Dec 1, 2014

You're an animal. I wish I had your time and energy. I'm sure this one will turn out great like the last one. [emoji106][emoji106]

ka0tyk · Dec 3, 2014

so here's where im at... some fiberglass damage is found on the side of the boat. at a quick glance it looks like at least 2 layers of cloth were burned... you can see the brown in behind them which is solid fiberglass. im gonna cut out the bad stuff and grind/sand a little and see just how far the damage goes. then it comes down to laying up some new glass to build that section back up. its interesting in that the areas where the carpet was, were NOT burned. it mustve acted like an insulator. theres also a layer of tape that goes across the cap joint on the inside that is all frayed and burned. so its just grinding, sanding, and getting back to good glass and seeing how much i need to build back up.

you can see the brown good layer in behind the burned... this is the tape going across the cap.

a layer of cloth burned, again... brown in behind it... hopefully its still in good shape.

Brian · Dec 5, 2014

So what are you going to do with the Bahner now?

ka0tyk · Dec 5, 2014

Brian said:
So what are you going to do with the Bahner now?

come and get it.

http://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/showthread.php?123988-1981-Bahner-21-daycruiser

ka0tyk · Dec 6, 2014

seats fit...

just some stainless hardware removed from it...

ka0tyk · Dec 10, 2014

more cleaning and grinding... starting to be white again. i just want it clean so i can cover it all in bilgekote.

Vegaskeith · Dec 20, 2014

Liked reading updates on last project! Looking forward to this one!

ka0tyk · Dec 21, 2014

not much progress, sold the bahner and played musical trailers with the boats. the good news is that the warlock fits on my trailer *PERFECTLY* no need to move bunks around. im so glad that i DIDNT move the bunks on my trailer with the bahner and procrastinated...

only thing im worried about is the weight of the motor and drive in the boat and the weight distribution on the trailer. right now without rigging its got a LOT of tongue weight.

djunkie · Dec 21, 2014

ka0tyk said:
not much progress, sold the bahner and played musical trailers with the boats. the good news is that the warlock fits on my trailer *PERFECTLY* no need to move bunks around. im so glad that i DIDNT move the bunks on my trailer with the bahner and procrastinated...

only thing im worried about is the weight of the motor and drive in the boat and the weight distribution on the trailer. right now without rigging its got a LOT of tongue weight.

Get 5 of your buddies to stand in the engine compartment and see if it lightens up the tongue weight.

djunkie · Dec 21, 2014

Is the drive cutout on this one for a Bravo drive?

ka0tyk · Dec 21, 2014

djunkie said:
Is the drive cutout on this one for a Bravo drive?

bravo and alpha one gen 2 use the same pattern. alpha one gen 1 is the same hole, but less bolt holes, not 8.

djunkie · Dec 21, 2014

ka0tyk said:
bravo and alpha one gen 2 use the same pattern. alpha one gen 1 is the same hole, but less bolt holes, not 8.

So you're gonna stay with the Alpha?

Cole Trickle · Dec 21, 2014

Sell the alpha and buy a bravo....way better choice with this boat and your motor.

ka0tyk · Dec 21, 2014

Cole Trickle said:
Sell the alpha and buy a bravo....way better choice with this boat and your motor.

Please let me know where you bought your money tree from. Haha. For now I'll run the alpha and be easy on it. Maybe later when the kiddo grows up and I need to tow a tube or toys I'll jump to a bravo. It's already gonna cost a few thousand to rig this boat. My throttle and steering cable are too short. Carpet. Upholstery for the front etc. wife gave me a budget.

Cole Trickle · Dec 21, 2014

ka0tyk said:
Please let me know where you bought your money tree from. Haha. For now I'll run the alpha and be easy on it. Maybe later when the kiddo grows up and I need to tow a tube or toys I'll jump to a bravo. It's already gonna cost a few thousand to rig this boat. My throttle and steering cable are too short. Carpet. Upholstery for the front etc. wife gave me a budget.

I got everything you need for sale....lol

Crazy Gideon prices[emoji12][emoji2]

ka0tyk · Dec 21, 2014

late night seat deconstruction. gonna make a new seat frame. this one is wrecked. i think there mustve been fat girls up in the bow because they band-aid fixed it with 4 HUGE stainless bolts and a steel bar.

its interesting to see how much detail goes into making the boat, they used biaxial cloth throughout the entire boat. hull, floor, tabbing, etc. but then in the seat frames its like they covered it in home depot paint... everything is rotten and theres hokey things like that little 1' piece where they couldve just cut the panel longer on the seat sides... weird.

ka0tyk · Dec 22, 2014

found a pic of it when it was new...

Brian · Dec 22, 2014

Cool you found a pic of it new. My guess on the interior is that it was jobbed out rather than being done in house. Warlock= Carter Reid at some point. Carter Reid = Shady dude most of the time.

ka0tyk · Dec 22, 2014

Brian said:
Cool you found a pic of it new. My guess on the interior is that it was jobbed out rather than being done in house. Warlock= Carter Reid at some point. Carter Reid = Shady dude most of the time.

yeah i searched for "warlock" and came across a few threads about warlock in general, and ultra custom. the HIN on the back is UTC aka "ultimate warlock" and its a 1996. So I'm not sure where it falls into place with all his drama. I cant say anything about the upholstery shop that did the interior, or at least the guy that built the seat frames, he apparently LOVES 1x1 framing and exterior wood screws. I pulled about 40 out of the front seat base alone. However the layup on the hull itself is awesome. Bi-axial cloth EVERYWHERE, even the tabbing for the open bow support. And the rubrail isnt going anywhere... theres probably 500 rivets holding it on.

ka0tyk · Dec 24, 2014

it fits... time to put in work at night and get this thing done.

SpectraPat · Dec 24, 2014

ka0tyk said:
it fits... time to put in work at night and get this thing done.

WOW! You got it in. Not much room to work but I know you're determine to get it done. Good luck

It looks like that saltwater is already working away on your trailer jack and swing-a-way.

ka0tyk · Jan 12, 2015

while it might not LOOK like huge progress, its huge progress...

before...

after:

ive got MOST everything back down to GOOD glass. just gotta strip down the burned gelcoat, give the drivers side a good sanding, and then its time to start building things back up, and do re-gel. not sure if i should just tape off the whole top area and redo it in like a grey or a color or try to match the white. i could REALLY use some tips to redo it in white and to feather the edges and blend it all back together. ive heard that gel matches color when wet and dry so im thinking of wet sanding the sides and polishing it so that its all clean and matching. im probably going to use whatever i can find at west marine, since i seem to have good results with their products... although expensive.

Brian · Jan 12, 2015

Good job on the burn removal. I would try and match the white. A different color cap might look strange. Are you going to attempt to gel the top yourself? Have you thought about just painting the top? Have you ever talked to TRG about any of this?

ka0tyk · Jan 12, 2015

Brian said:
Good job on the burn removal. I would try and match the white. A different color cap might look strange. Are you going to attempt to gel the top yourself? Have you thought about just painting the top? Have you ever talked to TRG about any of this?

yeah i think the painted/gel cap in a different color will look like a "fix." it wont match and it'll draw your eye. not to mention its on the top and any color other than white is gonna be hotter than hell.

i havent talked to TRG... i dunno who that is.

as far as doing it myself, gelcoat SEEMS pretty idiot proof. most of the videos ive seen is layering it on, sanding it smooth and flat, and then polishing it up. it'll def be a learning process for me.

Gelcoater · Jan 20, 2015

ka0tyk said:
yeah i think the painted/gel cap in a different color will look like a "fix." it wont match and it'll draw your eye. not to mention its on the top and any color other than white is gonna be hotter than hell.

i havent talked to TRG... i dunno who that is.

as far as doing it myself, gelcoat SEEMS pretty idiot proof. most of the videos ive seen is layering it on, sanding it smooth and flat, and then polishing it up. it'll def be a learning process for me.

A couple of thoughts here for you to consider.
There are believe it or not a shit ton of different "whites" out there.Some have a tint of blue,others a tint of yellow or black.
Standing alone it looks white,till another white is right next to it then it's "holy shit! Look at the difference in white!"

Another thought,even with a sand and buff the og white may be discolored from the heat,matching it might be a real pain to get it to feather into the old.
If it were mine I would consider tapping into that yellow stripe on the side,extending that top line that points toward the cleat up and over into the engine compartment,and extending the bottom line around the transom parallel to the trim line and meeting with the line on the other side.Basically making the top of the transom yellow.

OldSchoolBoats · Apr 15, 2015

ka0tyk said:
yeah i think the painted/gel cap in a different color will look like a "fix." it wont match and it'll draw your eye. not to mention its on the top and any color other than white is gonna be hotter than hell.

i havent talked to TRG... i dunno who that is.

as far as doing it myself, gelcoat SEEMS pretty idiot proof. most of the videos ive seen is layering it on, sanding it smooth and flat, and then polishing it up. it'll def be a learning process for me.

Any updates on this??

steves86ta · May 7, 2015

What he said ^^^

redone76 · May 7, 2015

steves86ta said:
What he said ^^^

X3!!!

Abc123 · May 26, 2015

ka0tyk · Jun 5, 2015

todays boat progress... i climbed into it.

really want to get this ball rolling. i picked up a set of S-tubes for the exhaust, and I'm trying to get the wife to agree on a carpet color, possible pattern and OZ.

i want this 20oz grey regular carpet

she wants textured

OldSchoolBoats · Jun 5, 2015

ka0tyk said:
todays boat progress... i climbed into it.

really want to get this ball rolling. i picked up a set of S-tubes for the exhaust, and I'm trying to get the wife to agree on a carpet color, possible pattern and OZ.

i want this 20oz grey regular carpet

she wants textured

I put the textured in mine and love it. It is really soft and comfy!

DeltaSigBoater · Jun 6, 2015

ka0tyk said:
todays boat progress... i climbed into it.

really want to get this ball rolling. i picked up a set of S-tubes for the exhaust, and I'm trying to get the wife to agree on a carpet color, possible pattern and OZ.

Have you ever thought about doing non-skid with snap-in carpet?

ka0tyk · Aug 24, 2015

it moved.

ka0tyk · Aug 24, 2015

dusted off the cobwebs

saltwater is *TERRIBLE* for aluminum. my motor used to be all shiney and polished up. now look at it. ugly!

just some hoses

my stainless hardware stash

SpectraPat · Aug 25, 2015

Are we getting ready to start working on the boat again?

ka0tyk · Aug 25, 2015

SpectraPat said:
Are we getting ready to start working on the boat again?

its time.

ka0tyk · Aug 25, 2015

put the motor on the stand and did a little teardown. just gonna strip it and put a coat of paint on it. didnt have a single problem with it the few times i used it last, why fix something that aint broke...

started scrubbing everything with purple degreaser

SpectraPat · Dec 19, 2015

ka0tyk said:
put the motor on the stand and did a little teardown. just gonna strip it and put a coat of paint on it. didnt have a single problem with it the few times i used it last, why fix something that aint broke...

started scrubbing everything with purple degreaser

Any progress?

ka0tyk · Aug 22, 2016

ok so its been quite some time now. boat has just been sitting in my garage. having a kid REALLY puts the brakes on getting things done, along with having a broken truck. but the truck is back is business and now its time to get the boat moving forward. also im looking thru this thread and it seems hosting the pictures on facebook breaks the links after a while as facebook moves their images around. so going forward ill put em on my webserver. i could use tapatalk, but it sucks.

back when i got it:

you dont really realize the amount of CLEANING that is involved with a fire. there was black stuff EVERYWHERE and its hard and grimey to clean off.

as it sits now:

the cockpit area and fire damage have all been cleaned up and blistered gel ground down.

same with the rear area.

my big question is that reapplying gelcoat in that area will be almost impossible to color match. the fire discolored the white gel along with the soot so im thinking about smoothing it all out with fiberglass and then masking off the top "cap" and painting it. along with masking off the side "swooshes" and changing the color scheme. as much as i love the jamacian yellow/green/purple i think i want something a liiiiittle more timeless/classic. also i removed the windshields but i think ill be masking off the area that it sits on and painting it black, kinda like a faux windshield.

also i have to fix the floor in the front as it looks like previous owner hit something and it broke the floor loose. the outside gel has some spider cracks, doesnt look too severe but the floor fiberglass tabbing cracked and i think with the movement and the open box front seats being bolted to it, and it alone has eventually worked itself more and more loose. should be easy stuff though. debating just grinding it back and retabbing, or just cutting the whole front section out and re-do'ing it. it feels kinda soft. plus the boat had a TON of water sitting in it when i got it.

steves86ta · Aug 22, 2016

ka0tyk said:
ok so its been quite some time now. boat has just been sitting in my garage. having a kid REALLY puts the brakes on getting things done, along with having a broken truck. but the truck is back is business and now its time to get the boat moving forward. also im looking thru this thread and it seems hosting the pictures on facebook breaks the links after a while as facebook moves their images around. so going forward ill put em on my webserver. i could use tapatalk, but it sucks.

back when i got it:

you dont really realize the amount of CLEANING that is involved with a fire. there was black stuff EVERYWHERE and its hard and grimey to clean off.

as it sits now:

the cockpit area and fire damage have all been cleaned up and blistered gel ground down.

same with the rear area.

my big question is that reapplying gelcoat in that area will be almost impossible to color match. the fire discolored the white gel along with the soot so im thinking about smoothing it all out with fiberglass and then masking off the top "cap" and painting it. along with masking off the side "swooshes" and changing the color scheme. as much as i love the jamacian yellow/green/purple i think i want something a liiiiittle more timeless/classic. also i removed the windshields but i think ill be masking off the area that it sits on and painting it black, kinda like a faux windshield.

also i have to fix the floor in the front as it looks like previous owner hit something and it broke the floor loose. the outside gel has some spider cracks, doesnt look too severe but the floor fiberglass tabbing cracked and i think with the movement and the open box front seats being bolted to it, and it alone has eventually worked itself more and more loose. should be easy stuff though. debating just grinding it back and retabbing, or just cutting the whole front section out and re-do'ing it. it feels kinda soft. plus the boat had a TON of water sitting in it when i got it.

What about spraying new gel on vs painting it? Schurfab in Ontario is pretty affordable.

ka0tyk · Mar 12, 2017

back on the ol horse... time to get this thing done.

damage to the helm and the rear area was ground down, epoxy filler applied, sanded, filler primer, etc...

gonna do a quick color change. due to the fire the gelcoat would be impossible to match. so gonna paint the top cap, and change the stripe/swoosh colors up a bit.

time to tape...

also got 40'x8.5' of 26oz carpet in. this damn roll was HEAVY. almost 100lbs of carpet. the fedex guy hates me.

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