2016 Blue Water Resort & Casino 300 Enduro is officially ON!

RPM RACING · Sep 26, 2016

Racer's the 2016 Blue Water Resort & Casino 300 Enduro is a go! We are on for Saturday, October 29th! Start making plans!!

Given the short time frame to make this happen I'm starting this roll call list as we need as many entries to make this race a success!

Here's the list so far:

1. R. Loughry/B. Marrone
2. S. Nolind/T. Scarlata
3. M. Quindazzi
4. G. Ronkainen
5. H. Hiebert
6. R. Mobley
7. S. Linder
8. J. Haddon
9. E. Sperry
10. J. Benton
11. C. Sousamian
12. A. Siroonian
13. K. Bandy
14. J. Roth/C. Watkins/G. Foster
15. E. Mijares
16. K. Taylor
17. D. Olsen/R. Heiser/J. Cogan
18. J. Soares
19. J. Rich
20. T. Stone
21. J. Stewart/R. Lewis
22. S. Linder/G. Marnell
23. R. Davis
24. S. Davis
25. D. Chivens
26. F. Randel
27. D. Jones
28. M. Noble
29. M. Schmelling
30. M. Lapaglia
31. C. Gregory
32. L. Haselrig
33. C. Kohles
34. K. Bewick
35. T. Valore
36. J. Stutesman
37. M. Stock/T. Applegate

Please keep emailing or posting your intention to race. Next up is finalizing the rules. I am not looking at major changes, however there will NOT be "qualifying" at this years Enduro.

Any questions, please call or email (310) 318-4012 or [email protected]

For Reservations at The Blue Water Resort - (888) 243-3360 or www.bluewaterfun.com

Sincerely,

Ross Wallach
RPM RACING ENTPRISES

Stainless · Sep 27, 2016

Is one of the entries War Canoe? I don't know Big Steves last name.

Outdrive1 · Sep 27, 2016

Stainless said:
Is one of the entries War Canoe? I don't know Big Steves last name.

They have a new boat. Cougar mtr I think. Scarlotta is supposed to drive a leg also.

GETBOATS · Sep 27, 2016

Stainless said:
Is one of the entries War Canoe? I don't know Big Steves last name.

he is # in the entry list

Stainless · Sep 27, 2016

Outdrive1 said:
They have a new boat. Cougar mtr I think. Scarlotta is supposed to drive a leg also.

GETBOATS said:
he is # in the entry list

I see they are number 2 entry after OD1 mentioned Tony Scarlotta. :thumbsup

racer55 · Sep 27, 2016

Since the 336 had more divisions and I understand we will be running under the 2012 rules how are the other classes going to be classified? like the 336 Div 10 unlimited outboard?

RPM RACING · Sep 27, 2016

I am working on submitting two choices to those race teams that have comitted to race (above list) and anyone that is willing to commit to running the Enduro by the time of submission to vote on. My goal is to have the modified version of last years rules done before the end of the week to send the email out for a final vote. My intention is still to leave no boat behind.

The rules are not that greatly different (2012 vs. 2015) with the exception of the qualifying rules which I am firmly against, it takes away from the spirit of the race and makes it a "bracket" race.

I am asking that everyone that has committed to race please email Ben Marrone and myself the following: Name, boat #, type/specs and Division previously run, if you ran the Enduro previously.

My email is [email protected] (310) 318-4012
Ben Marrone email: [email protected] or call (626) 523-0456

Ross Wallach
RPM RACING ENTERPRISES

War Canoe · Sep 28, 2016

Stainless said:
Is one of the entries War Canoe? I don't know Big Steves last name.

I'm Scott Nolind...DBR Powered 21' Cougar "The New Canoe" not to be confused with my old boat, the War Canoe...Steve Nolind now has that boat solely.

The "Outboard Church" team consists of myself, Tony Scarlata and Dale Rayzor.
See you all on the line.

Scott
Team "556"

MAXIMUS · Sep 29, 2016

I will be reviewing the rules this weekend and getting back to everybody who has emailed me. I do not have time during the week to be of any assistance. If you have questions or concerns put it together on an email to me and I will do my best to help you.

Ben Marrone

Email [email protected]
Cell 626-523-0456
Office 626-444-2548

UAV.Pilot · Sep 30, 2016

Wingo/DBR, let's play...

28skater · Oct 2, 2016

UAV.Pilot said:
Wingo/DBR, let's play...

Lets see some more of that boat:thumbsup

ONE-A-DAY · Oct 2, 2016

UAV.Pilot said:
Wingo/DBR, let's play...

Twin ram steering set up, that is the shit, not messing around.

3030 · Oct 6, 2016

007 will be returning after a one year haitis. Looking forward to seeing you all at the races.

UAV.Pilot · Oct 7, 2016

ONE-A-DAY said:
Twin ram steering set up, that is the shit, not messing around.

It's been in the work's for the year, Joe went all out on the build, I spared no expense. Brian @ Tank-It, DBRJoe, 555Racing, all put their hand at the build. It should be reliably fast, or at least that was the intention. Big O/B Hp!

UAV.Pilot · Oct 7, 2016

28skater said:
Lets see some more of that boat:thumbsup

I don't have anymore but will post the build at some point.

War Canoe · Oct 7, 2016

UAV.Pilot said:
It's been in the work's for the year, Joe went all out on the build, I spared no expense. Brian @ Tank-It, DBRJoe, 555Racing, all put their hand at the build. It should be reliably fast, or at least that was the intention. Big O/B Hp!

Darcy,
You better check with Ben Marrone, as he just said my boat will NOT be able to race because of "safety concerns"

Being we have basically identical set ups, you should inquire.

I'm going to the bar. Team "556" needs a drink.

Good luck to everyone... It was my intention to bring the heat to this race. Sorry you won't get to see it go. I think you all would have liked it.

Scott Nolind
"The New Canoe"

Stainless · Oct 7, 2016

War Canoe said:
Darcy,
You better check with Ben Marrone, as he just said my boat will NOT be able to race because of "safety concerns"

Being we have basically identical set ups, you should inquire.

I'm going to the bar. Team "556" needs a drink.

Good luck to everyone... It was my intention to bring the heat to this race, and I guess we brought more than it could handle.

Scott Nolind
"The New Canoe"

What is the safety concern?

War Canoe · Oct 7, 2016

Stainless said:
What is the safety concern?

This is all I know.

I made new plans. I'm going boating with my friends. 🏁😊

28skater · Oct 7, 2016

War Canoe said:
This is all I know.

I made new plans. I'm going boating with my friends. 

:thumbsdown:thumbsdown:thumbsdown

hallett21 · Oct 7, 2016

So what the motor is too fast?

Stainless · Oct 8, 2016

War Canoe said:
This is all I know.

I made new plans. I'm going boating with my friends. [emoji469][emoji4]

Shoot, always enjoy when you guys race.

SKIA36 · Oct 8, 2016

Thats just wrong... A 135mph detuned Nordic is OK but the New Canoe is not?

Hammer · Oct 8, 2016

War Canoe said:
This is all I know.

I made new plans. I'm going boating with my friends. [emoji469][emoji4]

Sweet. Discrimination to fast boats is back to normal. [emoji1304]

HST4ME · Oct 8, 2016

So I can cancel my plane tickets now........:grumble:

UAV.Pilot · Oct 8, 2016

Scott our boats are very similar, this fucking blows man!
What a bunch of bull shit!
Safety is within the individual, anything can happen even at 80mph! Instead of DQ ing us you would think they put a speed limit instead.

I'm going boating with my new sick as ride up river I guess...

I would like to run our boats together man!

UAV.Pilot · Oct 8, 2016

I almost forgot I have a couple things more to finish when I get back.

War Canoe · Oct 8, 2016

UAV.Pilot said:
Scott our boats are very similar, this fucking blows man!
What a bunch of bull shit!
Safety is within the individual, anything can happen even at 80mph! Instead of DQ ing us you would think they put a speed limit instead.

I'm going boating with my new sick as ride up river I guess...

I would like to run our boats together man!

Darcy,

We both set up for "Class 10 unlimited" .... I was going to run 1 1/2 inches up, and a 30 pitch BBLADES PROPELLER for maximum speed capability.

Then, the rules changed to the 2012 rules, which would have taken us both to 1"" BELOW THE BOTTOM. This 2 1/2 inch difference would have been a significant reduction in our top end speed, provided YOU UNDERSTAND OUTBOARD PHYSICS.The minds at the Church were busy figuring how to keep a fast lap time on the short course with the 1" below the bottom set up.... We altered our set up and planned to run a 27 pitch instead of a 30 pitch, but rev the shit out of it (7000+RPM) to increase acceleration. Our max speed would have been 103 mph.
My point: we were reasonably neutered speed wise by simply having to move our prop down below the bottom.
So not allowing us to race was bullshit, indeed.

The Nordic has just about a 1000 HP ADVANTAGE over our outboards running the 1350 twin turbo...
If they are limited to a 700SCI, they still have DOUBLE the horsepower we do on the same size 21' hull. Now, how do you figure the outboard is unsafe by relative comparison ?
Darcy and I dropped some fat cash to build a couple contenders...the losers are the people that won't get to see them run. Trust me, they would have been potential overall candidates. Now they are just the two of the baddest tunnels on the river.

Discrimination is a bitch. Outboards are the way...I've been saying that all along. see you all on the water.

ONE-A-DAY · Oct 8, 2016

War Canoe said:
Darcy,

We both set up for "Class 10 unlimited" .... I was going to run 1 1/2 inches up, and a 30 pitch BBLADES PROPELLER for maximum speed capability.

Then, the rules changed to the 2012 rules, which would have taken us both to 1"" BELOW THE BOTTOM. This 2 1/2 inch difference would have been a significant reduction in our top end speed, provided YOU UNDERSTAND OUTBOARD PHYSICS.The minds at the Church were busy figuring how to keep a fast lap time on the short course with the 1" below the bottom set up.... We altered our set up and planned to run a 27 pitch instead of a 30 pitch, but rev the shit out of it (7000+RPM) to increase acceleration. Our max speed would have been 103 mph.
My point: we were reasonably neutered speed wise by simply having to move our prop down below the bottom.
So not allowing us to race was bullshit, indeed.

The Nordic has just about a 1000 HP ADVANTAGE over our outboards running the 1350 twin turbo...
If they are limited to a 700SCI, they still have DOUBLE the horsepower we do on the same size 21' hull. Now, how do you figure the outboard is unsafe by relative comparison ?
Darcy and I dropped some fat cash to build a couple contenders...the losers are the people that won't get to see them run. Trust me, they would have been potential overall candidates. Now they are just the two of the baddest tunnels on the river.

Discrimination is a bitch. Outboards are the way...I've been saying that all along. see you all on the water.

If you run 1" below would you be allowed to race?

UAV.Pilot · Oct 8, 2016

War Canoe said:
Darcy,

We both set up for "Class 10 unlimited" .... I was going to run 1 1/2 inches up, and a 30 pitch BBLADES PROPELLER for maximum speed capability.

Then, the rules changed to the 2012 rules, which would have taken us both to 1"" BELOW THE BOTTOM. This 2 1/2 inch difference would have been a significant reduction in our top end speed, provided YOU UNDERSTAND OUTBOARD PHYSICS.The minds at the Church were busy figuring how to keep a fast lap time on the short course with the 1" below the bottom set up.... We altered our set up and planned to run a 27 pitch instead of a 30 pitch, but rev the shit out of it (7000+RPM) to increase acceleration. Our max speed would have been 103 mph.
My point: we were reasonably neutered speed wise by simply having to move our prop down below the bottom.
So not allowing us to race was bullshit, indeed.

The Nordic has just about a 1000 HP ADVANTAGE over our outboards running the 1350 twin turbo...
If they are limited to a 700SCI, they still have DOUBLE the horsepower we do on the same size 21' hull. Now, how do you figure the outboard is unsafe by relative comparison ?
Darcy and I dropped some fat cash to build a couple contenders...the losers are the people that won't get to see them run. Trust me, they would have been potential overall candidates. Now they are just the two of the baddest tunnels on the river.

Discrimination is a bitch. Outboards are the way...I've been saying that all along. see you all on the water.

Scott I see this as a complete failure of management to accommodate everyone that wants to race! Our boats are just as safe as any other modvp out there, infact my Daytona is on the heavy side, still it has the best lower, best steering, center fuel cell low on the Cg, dual batts, reinforced transom, custom heavy duty 15" mid section lowering the powerhead mass, blueprinted hull, squared and stepped center pod, the list goes on and on, not to mention the time it took, the expense of one off parts, Joe's dedication to juggle my build in with all the other obligations, all for nothing!!! Why? Because it's fast? Unsafe? Show me how these boats are anymore unsafe then others? There is a time to go fast and a time to slow up, I'm not in the mindset of hurting anyone or myself for a race. There are other ways of handling our unique situation instead of alienating us that want to run hot 3.0L's

It's no different then when I built my Talon and got turned away because of safety, I think people just don't want an outboard to have any kind of advantage.

Maybe we should put on an all outboard Enduro? No points just an event for bragging rights?

ONE-A-DAY · Oct 8, 2016

I believe a lot of this has to do with the insurance policy and the limitations outlined in it regarding speed and hull length factors. I know it's always been a bitch to insure these events for Ross and he has had to make quite a few concessions to the underwriters in order to get the policy written.

UAV.Pilot · Oct 8, 2016

ONE-A-DAY said:
I believe a lot of this has to do with the insurance policy and the limitations outlined in it regarding speed and hull length factors. I know it's always been a bitch to insure these events for Ross and he has had to make quite a few concessions to the underwriters in order to get the policy written.

Well I'm not saying it isn't a big challenge to obtain insurance but it can be achieved, RDP was able to do it, we actually build this ride for his event. However it is done, I am more than flexible, as said before the over all speed limits can be imposed across the field, which is a better method IMO, instead of tell in us to install a green motor.

ONE-A-DAY · Oct 8, 2016

UAV.Pilot said:
Well I'm not saying it isn't a big challenge to obtain insurance but it can be achieved, RDP was able to do it, we actually build this ride for his event. However it is done, I am more than flexible, as said before the over all speed limits can be imposed across the field, which is a better method IMO, instead of tell in us to install a green motor.

So a pro xs or 4 stroke would be ok but a non green pro max isn't?

UAV.Pilot · Oct 9, 2016

The more I think about it the more it pisses me the f-ck off!!!

[video=youtube_https;qXKTnU6GG1g]https://youtu.be/qXKTnU6GG1g[/video]

MAXIMUS · Oct 9, 2016

Looks like its time for some damage control.
I will try to make this short and to the point. I have been involved with this race since its return in 2005. I was asked to help with the mechanics of the race along with others. Over the years there have been many good people involved in shaping the rules to better this race. The intent has always been Safety and parity.

RPM's rules package controls speed by design. The upside is you build a boat to fit the rules and let it rip!. The down side is limitations to control top speed. There are not F1s, ET tunnels, capsules etc allowed. The Nordic program has been a problem for the committee since the begging. Way too fast and no equal. With the idea that no boat gets left behind, we kept adjusting handicaps to keep parity. Eventually in 2011 when Joe Abalara crashed and almost lost his life, there had to be some changes. The division that the Nordic team ran under was modified as well as the division 6 outboards. In 2012 we had a close race at the end between 2 division 6 outboards. Overall the times were looking good!

River Daves rule package was a more open approach to allow a wider varity of equipment to compete. With speed being controlled by time instead of design this allowed a more 'run what you brung' attitude. HOWEVER the top dogs were only allowed to run so fast. The lap times had limits to hold down speed. If a competitor broke out there was a major penalty. As a result we saw the Nordic running some big numbers and then hitting the brakes just before the start/finish line as to not break out. Once again this was not the intention, was noted by insurance personal on site and needed to be addressed. River Dave?s event for 2016 was going to make changes to prevent this from happening.

To wrap this up... One thing I have learned over the years of donating hundreds of hours to the benefit this event is, you cannot please everybody, all though we do try. There are no perfect solutions to the problems we encounter. With the amount of time available to put on this race we feel this is the lesser of two evils. As a boat racers myself I understand the frustration of these 2 teams. Money, time, strategy, and sleepless nights dreaming about bring an ass whipping to this event. If the 2 boats in mention could use a different power package that fits the rules for this year we would be grateful for their attendance. Perhaps next year we can figure out a way to tame these 2 monsters and create a home for them to compete in future races. This race is not an event with professional teams and drivers. It's an event that is comprised of Newbie's, Weekend Warriors; Seasoned Pros; and some really old people (no names) that come together once a year for a day of competing and loads of fun.

Hopefully this sheds some light.

Respectfully
Ben Marrone

UAV.Pilot · Oct 9, 2016

Hello Ben,

We have never met however I have heard how much you give to this event, I thank you for this! I too remember the old days of the Enduro with my dad hanging out all weekend to watch them tunnels scream around the coarse.

Anyhow instead outright DQ'ing our engine choice, why can't we just change our props to Not Exceed a Top Speed that works with our division?
I know by the numbers that a 28 pitch with our engine will only do 105 ish, I understand about Joes accident and it was tragic to say the least, but to condem our 3L for the sake of safety is not fair at all.

I will gladly prop my boat to what ever works for our division, no prob!
This boat is special and deserves to be seen by all.

Thank you
Darcy Wingo

lake p.a.l. · Oct 9, 2016

I've been to Parker several times to watch this awesome event. I've dreamed of putting together a somewhat low dollar outboard to participate. I can't imagine investing that much money, time, and sweat to build a boat for a RACE and be told I can't run a 350-400hp outboard against a 1350hp inboard because someone is feeding me a line of complete crap that my outboard isn't safe compared to the inboard. I would loose my mind. Sure seems to me that sponsors and/or money talk and they don't want beat down by outboards.

War Canoe · Oct 10, 2016

MAXIMUS said:
Looks like its time for some damage control.
I will try to make this short and to the point. I have been involved with this race since its return in 2005. I was asked to help with the mechanics of the race along with others. Over the years there have been many good people involved in shaping the rules to better this race. The intent has always been Safety and parity.

RPM's rules package controls speed by design. The upside is you build a boat to fit the rules and let it rip!. The down side is limitations to control top speed. There are not F1s, ET tunnels, capsules etc allowed. The Nordic program has been a problem for the committee since the begging. Way too fast and no equal. With the idea that no boat gets left behind, we kept adjusting handicaps to keep parity. Eventually in 2011 when Joe Abalara crashed and almost lost his life, there had to be some changes. The division that the Nordic team ran under was modified as well as the division 6 outboards. In 2012 we had a close race at the end between 2 division 6 outboards. Overall the times were looking good!

River Daves rule package was a more open approach to allow a wider varity of equipment to compete. With speed being controlled by time instead of design this allowed a more 'run what you brung' attitude. HOWEVER the top dogs were only allowed to run so fast. The lap times had limits to hold down speed. If a competitor broke out there was a major penalty. As a result we saw the Nordic running some big numbers and then hitting the brakes just before the start/finish line as to not break out. Once again this was not the intention, was noted by insurance personal on site and needed to be addressed. River Dave?s event for 2016 was going to make changes to prevent this from happening.

To wrap this up... One thing I have learned over the years of donating hundreds of hours to the benefit this event is, you cannot please everybody, all though we do try. There are no perfect solutions to the problems we encounter. With the amount of time available to put on this race we feel this is the lesser of two evils. As a boat racers myself I understand the frustration of these 2 teams. Money, time, strategy, and sleepless nights dreaming about bring an ass whipping to this event. If the 2 boats in mention could use a different power package that fits the rules for this year we would be grateful for their attendance. Perhaps next year we can figure out a way to tame these 2 monsters and create a home for them to compete in future races. This race is not an event with professional teams and drivers. It's an event that is comprised of Newbie's, Weekend Warriors; Seasoned Pros; and some really old people (no names) that come together once a year for a day of competing and loads of fun.

Hopefully this sheds some light.

Respectfully
Ben Marrone

Ben,

I appreciate the detailed answer, but my ass is still on the sand, instead of the starting line
That said, I want to thank my sponsors
BBLADES Propellers (they haul ass)
AutoEcology, and specifically Darrin, for all his words of encouragement. Go Navy!
Chris Davidson at Speedboat Magazine

Paul Wallner, for all his time and efforts and being a truly great friend.
Wild Bill Smith for his knowledge and time and friendship.
Joe Abellera/Dave Bush for building me one of the only two 3.0 liter 15" 300X engines.

Building a boat is no easy deal. This was no exception.

My biggest wish is all you guys have a good time. The longer you are around the race, the more you realize it's about having fun and rolling hard with your racing friends. Yeah, I'm bummed, but I am over it. I wish Darcy could experience this race, he is the one that I feel deserves to race.

Somebody lend him a power head and let him race. 

Good luck to everyone, careful on the Badnoch's point !!
Thanks to RDP FOR TRYING ....Huge thanks to Ross and Ben, for grabbing the reigns and getting it done.

Scott
The New Canoe
Outboard Church

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lake p.a.l. · Oct 10, 2016

War Canoe said:
Ben,

I appreciate the detailed answer, but my ass is still on the sand, instead of the starting line
That said, I want to thank my sponsors
BBLADES Propellers (they haul ass)
AutoEcology, and specifically Darrin, for all his words of encouragement. Go Navy!

Paul Wallner, for all his time and efforts and being a truly great friend.
Wild Bill Smith for his knowledge and time and friendship.
Joe Abellera/Dave Bush for building me one of the only two 3.0 liter 15" 300X engines.

Building a boat is no easy deal. This was no exception.

My biggest wish is all you guys have a good time. The longer you are around the race, the more you realize it's about having fun and rolling hard with your racing friends. Yeah, I'm bummed, but I am over it. I wish Darcy could experience this race, he is the one that I feel deserves to race.

Somebody lend him a power head and let him race. 

Good luck to everyone, careful on the Badnoch's point !!
Thanks to RDP FOR TRYING ....Huge thanks to Ross and Ben, for grabbing the reigns and getting it done.

Scott
The New Canoe
Outboard Church

Very classy

RogerThat99 · Oct 10, 2016

War Canoe said:
Ben,

I appreciate the detailed answer, but my ass is still on the sand, instead of the starting line
That said, I want to thank my sponsors
BBLADES Propellers (they haul ass)
AutoEcology, and specifically Darrin, for all his words of encouragement. Go Navy!

Paul Wallner, for all his time and efforts and being a truly great friend.
Wild Bill Smith for his knowledge and time and friendship.
Joe Abellera/Dave Bush for building me one of the only two 3.0 liter 15" 300X engines.

I received my Pink Slip from the New Canoe team in the mail today. I was looking forward to this race.

War Canoe · Oct 10, 2016

RogerThat99 said:
I received my Pink Slip from the New Canoe team in the mail today. I was looking forward to this race.

When I bring the "Outlaw DBR" back to the delta, you will get the first ride in it. 🏁

RogerThat99 · Oct 10, 2016

War Canoe said:
When I bring the "Outlaw DBR" back to the delta, you will get the first ride in it. 🏁

Sounds like a plan. I was out on the Sac River yesterday and today. And the Delta on Friday.

War Canoe · Oct 10, 2016

RogerThat99 said:
I received my Pink Slip from the New Canoe team in the mail today. I was looking forward to this race.

When I bring the "Outlaw DBR" back to the delta, you will get the first ride in it. 🏁

lake p.a.l. · Oct 10, 2016

War Canoe said:
When I bring the "Outlaw DBR" back to the delta, you will get the first ride in it. 

I'm sure you guys have tried everything in the attempt to be able to RACE in the Parker Enduro. They will not even allow you to run with it mounted below the hull?? Or make you prop down to limit speed? I guess I don't understand. I thought there was an unlimited division that you could run what you brung as long as you were not past the length limitations. I realize I'm not smart, but unlimited division would seem to be, well, unlimited??? Especially when you are talking about 400hp versus 1300-1400hp. F14 and I have been talking about putting a boat together for this event but there is NO WAY in hell I'm spending the money and being told we can't run. Wow I'm dumb, I thought this was a RACE.

SKIA36 · Oct 10, 2016

Unfortunately and fortunately for our own safety, we are all under the scrutiny and restrictions of the insurance industry, who are a necessity to make these events happen. We all have to adjust whether we agree or not. Huge Kudos to Ross and Ben for making this happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have no chance against the Nordic Cyclone, it is a proven high speed runner with an impeccable racing history. It is MUCH safer than a Tunnel at speeds over 100mph, these boats are risky even for proven experienced drivers, any tunnel driver will tell you that.

War Canoe · Oct 10, 2016

lake p.a.l. said:
I'm sure you guys have tried everything in the attempt to be able to RACE in the Parker Enduro. They will not even allow you to run with it mounted below the hull?? Or make you prop down to limit speed? I guess I don't understand. I thought there was an unlimited division that you could run what you brung as long as you were not past the length limitations. I realize I'm not smart, but unlimited division would seem to be, well, unlimited??? Especially when you are talking about 400hp versus 1300-1400hp. F14 and I have been talking about putting a boat together for this event but there is NO WAY in hell I'm spending the money and being told we can't run. Wow I'm dumb, I thought this was a RACE.

The problem was when the race switched hands ....

Different rules. We set up for The "336" .... Class 10 unlimited Outboard...and it was unlimited. To RDP's credit, he designed a class that us racers have wanted because of seemingly excessive efforts in the past to "slow" our set ups.

I was so damn excited that I could finally put a boat on the water, that wasn't "neutered" , I called DBR and Joe and started assembling the New Canoe.
DBR 300X
7200 rpm
15" mid
Sport master
97 gallon fuel capacity (67 center tank + two 15 side tanks.)

We designed the boat for the 12 mile course. I was devastated that RDP changed the venue to the short 6 mile course. We were going with a 30 pitch BBLADES ....gave us a realistic straightaway speed of 110 mph...as fuel decreased, max speed 117 mph. By only filling the 67 gallon tank, the speed increases quickly as we are getting rid of 40 pounds of fuel per lap.
Then the course was shortened to the 6 mile....
We TOTALLY altered our set up. Wild Bill and Dale were sold on short propping the beast...27-28 pitch at 7200 Rpm...less speed (105), but insane acceleration.
Then the race was off...postponed, whatever........

Then Ross and Ben takeover...instituting 2012 rules.
Now, not only are we racing the short course, but now I have to be 1" BELOW THE BOTTOM. This slows us significantly...not why I built the boat, but it ISNT MY RACE...I was going to adhere to the rules that have "hobbled" my boat EVERYTIME I raced. But, I love the race. Better to shut up and race, so we kept going on the build.

Finally, we were outlawed by the rules Commitee. If they can do the race for you guys , with or without us, it's better to put the race on for everyone else. Go RPM Racing!

So, my friend...that's how it went in 2016 for us. The bright spot is I have a beautiful single seat race boat with capacity to go wide open for 240 miles. I can always chase Bullhead Bully in one of his twins!

Stainless · Oct 10, 2016

War Canoe said:
The problem was when the race switched hands ....

Different rules. We set up for The "336" .... Class 10 unlimited Outboard...and it was unlimited. To RDP's credit, he designed a class that us racers have wanted because of seemingly excessive efforts in the past to "slow" our set ups.

I was so damn excited that I could finally put a boat on the water, that wasn't "neutered" , I called DBR and Joe and started assembling the New Canoe.
DBR 300X
7200 rpm
15" mid
Sport master
97 gallon fuel capacity (67 center tank + two 15 side tanks.)

We designed the boat for the 12 mile course. I was devastated that RDP changed the venue to the short 6 mile course. We were going with a 30 pitch BBLADES ....gave us a realistic straightaway speed of 110 mph...as fuel decreased, max speed 117 mph. By only filling the 67 gallon tank, the speed increases quickly as we are getting rid of 40 pounds of fuel per lap.
Then the course was shortened to the 6 mile....
We TOTALLY altered our set up. Wild Bill and Dale we sold on short propping the beast...27-28 pitch at 7200 Rpm...less speed (105), but insane acceleration.
Then the race was off...postponed, whatever........

Then Ross and Ben takeover...instituting 2012 rules.
Now, not only are we racing the short course, but now I have to be 1" BELOW THE BOTTOM. This slows us significantly...not why I built the boat, but it ISNT MY RACE...I was going to adhere to the rules that have "hobbled" my boat EVERYTIME I raced. But, I love the race. Better to shut up and race, so we kept going on the build.

Finally, we were outlawed by the rules Commitee. If they can do the race for you guys , with or without us, it's better to put the race on for everyone else. Go RPM Racing!

So, my friend...that's how it went in 2016 for us. The bright spot is I have a beautiful single seat race boat with capacity to go wide open for 240 miles. I can always chase Bullhead Bully in one of his twins!

Sorry it went this way WC.
On a side note I love the unpainted heads and blocks on engines pre '06, shows a little badass IMO! My '05's are raw.

skifaster · Oct 11, 2016

MAXIMUS said:
Looks like its time for some damage control.
I will try to make this short and to the point. I have been involved with this race since its return in 2005. I was asked to help with the mechanics of the race along with others. Over the years there have been many good people involved in shaping the rules to better this race. The intent has always been Safety and parity.

RPM's rules package controls speed by design. The upside is you build a boat to fit the rules and let it rip!. The down side is limitations to control top speed. There are not F1s, ET tunnels, capsules etc allowed. The Nordic program has been a problem for the committee since the begging. Way too fast and no equal. With the idea that no boat gets left behind, we kept adjusting handicaps to keep parity. Eventually in 2011 when Joe Abalara crashed and almost lost his life, there had to be some changes. The division that the Nordic team ran under was modified as well as the division 6 outboards. In 2012 we had a close race at the end between 2 division 6 outboards. Overall the times were looking good!

River Daves rule package was a more open approach to allow a wider varity of equipment to compete. With speed being controlled by time instead of design this allowed a more 'run what you brung' attitude. HOWEVER the top dogs were only allowed to run so fast. The lap times had limits to hold down speed. If a competitor broke out there was a major penalty. As a result we saw the Nordic running some big numbers and then hitting the brakes just before the start/finish line as to not break out. Once again this was not the intention, was noted by insurance personal on site and needed to be addressed. River Dave?s event for 2016 was going to make changes to prevent this from happening.

To wrap this up... One thing I have learned over the years of donating hundreds of hours to the benefit this event is, you cannot please everybody, all though we do try. There are no perfect solutions to the problems we encounter. With the amount of time available to put on this race we feel this is the lesser of two evils. As a boat racers myself I understand the frustration of these 2 teams. Money, time, strategy, and sleepless nights dreaming about bring an ass whipping to this event. If the 2 boats in mention could use a different power package that fits the rules for this year we would be grateful for their attendance. Perhaps next year we can figure out a way to tame these 2 monsters and create a home for them to compete in future races. This race is not an event with professional teams and drivers. It's an event that is comprised of Newbie's, Weekend Warriors; Seasoned Pros; and some really old people (no names) that come together once a year for a day of competing and loads of fun.

Hopefully this sheds some light.

Respectfully
Ben Marrone

Two goals are stated here, "safety and parity". I agree 100% with safety and completely understand how insurance can limit things. I've experienced that in putting on some ski races. But as a racer, I will never understand the need for "parity" in the Enduro across the entire field. Parity is what different divisions are for. I'm not a boat racer, but I am ski racer and a competitive person. If somebody is faster than me, better than me, has better equipment than me, etc. I either strive to get better as a competitor and/or work harder to get better equipment. I never tried to limit what my competitors could do to create parity. Divisions create parity and try and level the playing field within that division. The overall win should go to the fastest/most reliable competitor. Boats should enter their appropriate division. A division win should mean something when racing against "like" competitors. They could still have an opportunity to win overall if all goes well.

All this being said, I am glad the Enduro is still on. My family will be there for the ski races and to watch the enduro. I am appreciative of those that took on the challenge to keep this from being cancelled after the ball was dropped so close to the event. I know that is a lot of work.

I just find it funny that on a site full of people that bash the libtards, and in a sport like boat racing where liberals certainly are the minority, that "parity" in a race is a priority. Pretty "liberal like" thinking. I'd prefer to watch a race where the boat that can complete the set distance first would win, period.

I would've like to see the "New Canoe" run this year.

pixrthis · Oct 19, 2016

I'm missing the race this year due to a scheduling conflict so I haven't paid attention to what's going but I'm surprised to see this BS. There have been some very good suggestions made in this thread on how to slow the two boats down. The spirit of this race is to have fun because winning doesn't really mean shit and the race is more fun with more boats on course. Sorry to see this crap back as opposed to working with everybody trying to field a boat.

UAV.Pilot · Oct 19, 2016

I just got the boat finished with Joe, it turned out way better than expected. The engine sounds amazing, all in all I'm really happy with Joe and Dave Bush's bad ass engine! It's done right! The steering system is so over kill it's funny, the whole rig is just solid and simple.
Maiden run will be today, gotta break in the little 3 L correctly with a tank or so, then will be able to get some real numbers.

As for the race, I'm out...

Credit to Ben Marone, he did try to appease me and try to make it work for us, but I'm just not intrested in being slowed down as much as they wanted when I know for a fact other boats are not having to go through the same scrutiny. We built this boat to win! Period...that's why we race
I'm guilty by association having Joe build me a winning combo, guess we will never know where it stacks up against the field. It's a shame to put it politely...

GETBOATS · Oct 19, 2016

skifaster said:
Two goals are stated here, "safety and parity". I agree 100% with safety and completely understand how insurance can limit things. I've experienced that in putting on some ski races. But as a racer, I will never understand the need for "parity" in the Enduro across the entire field. Parity is what different divisions are for. I'm not a boat racer, but I am ski racer and a competitive person. If somebody is faster than me, better than me, has better equipment than me, etc. I either strive to get better as a competitor and/or work harder to get better equipment. I never tried to limit what my competitors could do to create parity. Divisions create parity and try and level the playing field within that division. The overall win should go to the fastest/most reliable competitor. Boats should enter their appropriate division. A division win should mean something when racing against "like" competitors. They could still have an opportunity to win overall if all goes well.

Well said:thumbsup

Never have been a fan of the handicap system, I have no problem running against boats that "should" finish ahead of us, its got to run the distance to win. Last year, if you throw out the boats that got 8 laps on us, we finished 2nd to the Nordic, that's a badge I'll wear any day!! This year we have no handicap and have to run the whole 50 laps, wish it 100 laps. Think of the 1970's and 80's where boats had to run 9 and then 7 hours, 600 miles or so. We will run at them mistake free and make the boats hurry their setup and plan, be testing for weeks now, boat is 100% ready and could have been raced 2 weeks ago. C ya there :thumbsup

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