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Latest 28' Speedster Twin 400's

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Gelcoater's in the booth laying down color on the latest 28' Speedster ... red/black on pearl white :thumbsup

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Hull is about done taping and headed into the booth tomorrow ...

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Interested in seeing this out of the mold! [emoji16]

Going to be a good looking boat.:thumbsup

Not too busy, mostly red and white.
Some charcoal with Ice pearl, some Ice pearl black and black fading to exposed carbon fiber.
We used black, white and red pinstripes to provide great contrast between colors.
 

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Going to be a good looking boat.:thumbsup

Not too busy, mostly red and white.
Some charcoal with Ice pearl, some Ice pearl black and black fading to exposed carbon fiber.
We used black, white and red pinstripes to provide great contrast between colors.

Sounds like my kinda boat. Badass but somewhat timeless. One of these 28's with a set of 400 outboards or 565's hmmm...
 

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Here's some pix of the early work on the Infusion Process ... very labor intensive to prep the hull for Saturday ...

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Just about ready ...
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All Hands On Hull ... ;) Lighter & Stronger = More Speed :thumbsup

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Damn it Gary! Post more pics already.:grumble:
 

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Time Lapse from this morning ...

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We need more content like this!! Badass, thanks for sharing!
 

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A few more from earlier today ... did I mention "labor intensive"??

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gonna be a light and stiff hull!

gonna be fast!





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Way I see it, if they kick the Messican's outta the country, it would take years to build a boat. Fuck they work fast!!
 

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I am really counting on this new resin and the infusion process to make my boat lighter than the previous, lightest and fastest, twin 400 boat. The laminators added some balsa in the deck, which the other boat did not have, since I did not want any deck flex.
 

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Eliminator wasn't using infusion on prior boats to yours?
 

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That is correct. Their laminators do such a good job getting the resin squeegeed out, that their boats end up lighter and stronger than some competitors that use infusion. The reason that my boat had to be infused, it the new urethane resin that they are using, which must be infused. It took 400 lbs of this new resin versus 550 lbs for the hand laid vinlyester resin that they have used successfully for so many years. No other boat company in the US has used this new resin according to the manufacturer. It is used on some military contract boats and carbon fibre race cars in the UK. It is very expensive and requires a learning curve for the boat manufacturer. I watched my hull being infused last Saturday. They started at 7am and did not finish until 5pm and had 8 guys there.
 

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Thanks for the follow-up on this DB ... I'll post some updated pix a bit later from today's Deck Infusion ...
 

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Eliminator wasn't using infusion on prior boats to yours?

No.
They did a 22 Daytona years ago, had some guys from (I think?) the San Diego area do it. The boat was at the shop last year being resold and was solid.Pretty sure it was a bit heavier than a std layup 22

This new resin was used on a Fundeck hull only (not the deck, it was hand done) as an experimental.
Hull only they used some 300+ lbs less resin to infuse the part vs hand VE lamination.

Daves boat is getting the full Monty. Infused hull and deck.
Pretty exciting.:thumbsup
 

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My race boat was fully infused top and bottom, pretty cool process to watch.
 

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What is the difference between infusion and vacuum bagged?

Oh, and thanks for sharing the build. Amazing that we get to watch new technology rolled out in real time.
 

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vacuum bagging sucks all moisture out, resin infusion forces resin in using vacuum, nothing comes out.
 

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What is the difference between infusion and vacuum bagged?

Oh, and thanks for sharing the build. Amazing that we get to watch new technology rolled out in real time.

vacuum bagging sucks all moisture out, resin infusion forces resin in using vacuum, nothing comes out.

It's basically this, but to better explain it..

Hand layup you lay glass down, and then you squeegee resin into the glass.. Obviously there is a lot of extra resin with this method, which makes things heavier, and truth be told not as strong as an optimal resin to glass ratio.

Vacuum Bag they lay glass down, resin the glass, and then pull a vacuum on a giant bag that will "squeeze" the excess resin out of the fiberglass. Much more precision then squeegee.

Infusion - They lay the glass dry, put a bag over it with vacuum ports and feed ports on the bag. The resin will then get sucked onto and through the fiberglass and out the "vacuum side." Once the process is complete the resin to glass ratio is perfect as there was never any extra resin and it is the strongest technique as well as the lightest construction you can get right now.

Wes Inskeep / Froggystyle (Trident Boats) was really the pioneer of bringing all that to the Performance boats industry and is nothing short of a walking encyclopedia regarding it. This process had been used in upper end racing sail boats / and some more expensive industries, but he's the one that brought it to our world.
 

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It's basically this, but to better explain it..

Hand layup you lay glass down, and then you squeegee resin into the glass.. Obviously there is a lot of extra resin with this method, which makes things heavier, and truth be told not as strong as an optimal resin to glass ratio.

Vacuum Bag they lay glass down, resin the glass, and then pull a vacuum on a giant bag that will "squeeze" the excess resin out of the fiberglass. Much more precision then squeegee.

Infusion - They lay the glass dry, put a bag over it with vacuum ports and feed ports on the bag. The resin will then get sucked onto and through the fiberglass and out the "vacuum side." Once the process is complete the resin to glass ratio is perfect as there was never any extra resin and it is the strongest technique as well as the lightest construction you can get right now.

Wes Inskeep / Froggystyle (Trident Boats) was really the pioneer of bringing all that to the Performance boats industry and is nothing short of a walking encyclopedia regarding it. This process had been used in upper end racing sail boats / and some more expensive industries, but he's the one that brought it to our world.
Actually, Dave.
I'm pretty sure Skater was doing vacuum work when Wes was still killing people 1000 ways with a Q tip on our behalf. ;)

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As to the vacuum bagging you mention, without infusion.
I know a couple of guys are doing it, Lavey being one. They're not really trying to pull resin when they do. They're using the bag and vacuum to pull equal force against the balsa core when they bed it. And for that purpose it is a superior method of bedding core material.

It is a topic worthy of its own thread really. We're watching the future unfold. We've sort of strayed from Eliminator and Daves build, lol.
Trident, Skater and Lavey, mentioned in an Eliminator build thread.:rolleyes
 

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Gary,

it appears that the vacuum bag has been removed from the infused hull?

The nice thing about resin infusion is that the part comes out so clean, uniform, and no sharp glass protruding randomly

Please share pics of the infused hull whilst still in the mold... if you can.





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Actually, Dave.
I'm pretty sure Skater was doing vacuum work when Wes was still killing people 1000 ways with a Q tip on our behalf. ;)

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As to the vacuum bagging you mention, without infusion.
I know a couple of guys are doing it, Lavey being one. They're not really trying to pull resin when they do. They're using the bag and vacuum to pull equal force against the balsa core when they bed it. And for that purpose it is a superior method of bedding core material.

It is a topic worthy of its own thread really. We're watching the future unfold. We've sort of strayed from Eliminator and Daves build, lol.
Trident, Skater and Lavey, mentioned in an Eliminator build thread.:rolleyes

When I was referring to Wes I was just talking about the infusion process, not traditional vacuum bagging.

Anyhow here is a thread that is pretty indepth about Fiberglass and processes etc..

http://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/showthread.php?1029-Fiberglass-Construction-101
 

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Gary,

it appears that the vacuum bag has been removed from the infused hull?

The nice thing about resin infusion is that the part comes out so clean, uniform, and no sharp glass protruding randomly

Please share pics of the infused hull whilst still in the mold... if you can.





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Will do ...

Pix from today ... deck is done / set and ready for cleanup ...

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Hull is cleaned up, came out much better this time ... pix in a few
 

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Hull all cleaned up ...
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Cleaning up the deck ... did I say "labor intensive" already :eek
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Gary and crew,

That's beautiful work right there!

thank you for the pics!

curious what caused the peel ply to stick so stubbornly like that.









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Hull all cleaned up ... should pop in a week or so ...

Better not pop in a week or so.......that would violate contract to stay in mold for 2 weeks. All the pricipals involved with the build know this
so i am not worried about this mistatement,


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Cleaning up the deck ... did I say "labor intensive" already :eek
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whatever additional labor is required for infusion is woth it. most all other custom builders are doing it. saves weight and add strength.
 

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whatever additional labor is required for infusion is woth it. most all other custom builders are doing it. saves weight and add strength.

I saw it yesterday, it's looking pretty sweet.:thumbsup

Jose was doing some fine tuning on the stringers for a perfect fit.
 

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So far, we are very pleased with the results ... Carbon Fiber / Kevlar "option" for your build ...
 

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can't wait to see the exposed carbon...on the side of the hull?






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daveb1 on RDP is the proud owner ...
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He's got this nice 26' RPM/Redline for sale if anyone's in the market ;)
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How many OB 28's are going to be done before its decided to move the bulkhead? I know its costly to change the mold but the OB's seem to be all the rage and all that your popping out lately.
 

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Definitely a topic of discussion, today in fact ... in mold mod vs new deck mold ...
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How many OB 28's are going to be done before its decided to move the bulkhead? I know its costly to change the mold but the OB's seem to be all the rage and all that your popping out lately.
 

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No white motors on this, they are Mercury's, not johnrudes.

May go there Friday if ready to hoist on the scales to weigh. We have a goal weight based on the previous lightest boat.
 
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