2018 Ford F-150 Updates

boatpi · Aug 16, 2017

http://www.autonews.com/article/20170816/BLOG06/170819879/ford-ups-capability-convenience-on-f-150

The big MPG change is stop/Start on all engines.

Stainless · Aug 16, 2017

I have that start/stop feature and don't like it. Always turn the switch off first time at stop light but it defaults back every time you cycle the key. Is there a way to reprogram it to stay off?

HB2Havasu · Aug 16, 2017

An F-150 with a 3.0L Powerstroke Diesel sounds very tempting! I hate the auto start! My wife has it on her Grand Cherokee an it drives me fucking nuts.

spectras only · Aug 16, 2017

Think about it. How much sooner the starter needs replacing with the excessive startup feature, wearing the brushes down. With a manual gearbox, one can roll start the car if the starter quit, towtruck time with autos.

milkmoney · Aug 16, 2017

I have start/ stop on my bmw and hate it, I have a button to disengage or engage it.
That thing is off always [emoji107] [emoji107]

I would not own a vehicle that I can't disengaged it [emoji202]

pronstar · Aug 17, 2017

Stop/Start wouldn't be quite so bad if cars had electric AC compressors like hybrids and EV's.
Nothing like sitting at a long light on a hot day, and having hot air blowing in your face.

Flying_Lavey · Aug 17, 2017

And how much fractional MPG is the truck gaining by shutting off at a stop? I have always thought that tech was rediculous. The only way I could see it being usefull is with direct injection and they were able to stop the engine with a piston in the exact position so where it would only require a squirt of gas and a spark to restart (supposedly Bosch is working on that tech now). Far less wear and tear on the starting system.

69 1/2 · Aug 17, 2017

I have a couple Toyota Highlanders, a 2015 and a 2017. The new one has direct injection and start stop, you can hear a difference in the starters even though both have the same basic engine. I presume anything with start/stop has a starter designed for the increased duty cycles.

Trash · Aug 17, 2017

Flying_Lavey said:
And how much fractional MPG is the truck gaining by shutting off at a stop? I have always thought that tech was rediculous. The only way I could see it being usefull is with direct injection and they were able to stop the engine with a piston in the exact position so where it would only require a squirt of gas and a spark to restart (supposedly Bosch is working on that tech now). Far less wear and tear on the starting system.

This is how Mercedes does it now. No electric start during ECO stop/start mode. As much as I'm not a huge fan of it it actually does save a measurable amount of fuel. Specifically during city driving.

Trash · Aug 17, 2017

spectras only said:
Think about it. How much sooner the starter needs replacing with the excessive startup feature, wearing the brushes down. With a manual gearbox, one can roll start the car if the starter quit, towtruck time with autos.

They don't use the starter on Mercedes version. Mercedes stops the motor at TDC and then squirts gas a spark for a relight. It's impressive even though I'm not always a fan of it.

pronstar · Aug 17, 2017

Trash said:
They don't use the starter on Mercedes version. Mercedes stops the motor at TDC and then squirts gas a spark for a relight. It's impressive even though I'm not always a fan of it.

I'm unaware that it ever made production for any carmaker.
Im happy to be proven wrong...got a link?

Everything I'm finding says its a quieter starter motor.

Mazda has implemented i-stop, which is functionally similar but still uses a brief burst of the starter.
They had tried a system about 10 years ago that worked in the lab without a starter motor, but didn't work so well in the real world.

Waffles · Aug 17, 2017

HB2Havasu said:
An F-150 with a 3.0L Powerstroke Diesel sounds very tempting! I hate the auto start! My wife has it on her Grand Cherokee an it drives me fucking nuts.

I can't stand it on our GC either. They make a module that plugs into the obd port to stop it without pushing the button but idk about paying 125 for it.....

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