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    Quote Originally Posted by Havasu1986 View Post
    I guess it depends on the poll, But they usually do a pretty good job of sampling the voters, and getting pretty close to the actual election results.

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    Historically we have seen many times where polls were inaccurate because people will openly say one thing but privately vote another.

    I doubt many union members wanted to speak out loud in front of their union buddies that they just voted for Scott Walker for showing greater fiscal responsibility in behalf of taxpayers than their unions do in behalf of membership.:
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    Historically we have seen many times where polls were inaccurate because people will openly say one thing but privately vote another.

    I doubt many union members wanted to speak out loud in front of their union buddies that they just voted for Scott Walker :
    I don't know any of my union brothers and sisters that go to the voting booth with their union buddies. So I hardly think that was the case. The exit polls that I had a link to was about the POTUS race. Not about Scott Walker. Maybe you missed it. :

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havasu1986 View Post
    I don't know any of my union brothers and sisters that go to the voting booth with their union buddies. So I hardly think that was the case. The exit polls that I had a link to was about the POTUS race. Not about Scott Walker. Maybe you missed it. :
    Didn't miss it at all. I also didn't miss the mob mentality I witnessed while in the Mason's union here in Arizona. They totally stick together, talk among themselves and protect their own above all else was my personal experience. I can't imagine any of them admitting to have voted against the union mantra to another - ever. They expected everyone to fall in line or be subject to more than ridicule as I witnessed when I spoke out at an important union voting session regarding a labor saving device the non-unions were all using but that they refused to accept because it saved labor. I was threatened, I was told to watch my back, watch my home with my children inside, watch my wife when she shopped and keep an eye out over my shoulder wherever I went for being their target, in so many words. They voted against the devices despite my attempted reasoning with them. Shortly thereafter, I started my own company and found zero value in using union labor exclusively so I stayed non-union for the remainder of my tenure in the business. Besides, most of the masons I hired had a union card in their pockets but were unable or unwilling to work in the union since I paid the good ones better than union wages.

    Their decision priced the union crews completely out of the market and the following year, what was left of the membership voted to accept these very same labor-saving devices (speed leads) just as I had encouraged the prior year. Their membership has gone downhill ever since but they stick together - even when it's off a cliff, I learned first-hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    Didn't miss it at all. I also didn't miss the mob mentality I witnessed while in the Mason's union here in Arizona. They totally stick together, talk among themselves and protect their own above all else was my personal experience. I can't imagine any of them admitting to have voted against the union mantra to another - ever. They expected everyone to fall in line or be subject to more than ridicule as I witnessed when I spoke out at an important union voting session regarding a labor saving device the non-unions were all using but that they refused to accept because it saved labor. I was threatened, I was told to watch my back, watch my home with my children inside, watch my wife when she shopped and keep an eye out over my shoulder wherever I went for being their target, in so many words. They voted against the devices despite my attempted reasoning with them. Shortly thereafter, I started my own company and found zero value in using union labor exclusively so I stayed non-union for the remainder of my tenure in the business. Besides, most of the masons I hired had a union card in their pockets but were unable or unwilling to work in the union since I paid the good ones better than union wages.

    Their decision priced the union crews completely out of the market and the following year, what was left of the membership voted to accept these very same labor-saving devices (speed leads) just as I had encouraged the prior year. Their membership has gone downhill ever since but they stick together - even when it's off a cliff, I learned first-hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shueman View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racey View Post
    I guess it depends on the poll, But they usually do a pretty good job of sampling the voters, and getting pretty close to the actual election results.
    Did you forget FL and Al Gore or Kerry thinking he was kicking asse? Dems appear to misdirect rather often in the big ones.....
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    "Wisconsin out of debt" lmao!!!


    Hey.... the USA is also out of debt! Go Obama! Great job!

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