DUI Check Points in the Desert

[Meaney77]

FYI...http://www.toyhauleradventures.com/2011/02/more-friends-of-jawbone-news-dui-check-points/

 

[rivermobster]

The Joint Task Force will start by setting up a DUI checkpoint scheduled for the President?s Day Weekend.

Well then!

Dont bother me since i dont drink and drive, but still sounds like a pain in the azz...

 

[RiverDave]

bitchen... I got an idea, we've already harassed them to the point where they have to drive hours and hours to "get away" from our bullshit.. Instead of letting them have some fun, lets throw up some DUI check points out in the dessert too!! Fuck yeah, that'll show em!! Government babysitters everywhere is what we need!

RD

 

[RogerThat99]

It is all about Revenue!!!

 

[Riverbottom]

We have been stopped in two of them outside of Parker in the last few years. The BLM ranger had a long piece of welding rod, and checked all of our exhausts to make sure that the spark arrestor was not drilled or removed. He then asked if we had been drinking and had us chat with the sherriff, before letting us go. We don't drink and ride, so no problem. They were arresting several for drinking that day.

If you got to the Desert Bar and drink it is only a matter of time.

 

[Dave Wettlaufer]

They are protecting you just like the TSA.

This is pretty screwed up. Why do people think it's ok to be stopped and questioned just because you are driving? The Constitution still applies. Setting up road blocks and stopping everyone and inspecting you and checking your papers...sounds like an old WWII Nazi movie.

This is not the way law enforcement is supposed to work...assuming everyone is drunk so they just stop everyone?

 

[GAnderson]

I know this is a pain in the ass guys, but as a cop you would be surprised how many DUI drivers we take off the road. As for revenue, we actually lose money when we arrest people.

I do understand your guy?s frustration, but per case law, check points cannot make you wait any longer then about 3 minutes in line. The agency I work for, we do a check point about once a month and we are required to advertise it. Last week we had a stolen car drive right in, a parolee gang member with a gun under his seat and a father with all (3) of his kids in the car who could barely stand much less drive.

There is nothing worse than when you're sergeant calls you and asks you to search a field for a 4-year old girl?s arm that was cut off when her mom rolled the vehicle. That was my worst day ever?..

I am a dad first and at least once a month I see innocent people who are seriously injured or killed due to DUI drivers. With all of the education there is out today (sleep in your car, designated drivers, call a cab, walk home) you would think people would figure it out but they don't. Sorry to get on the soap box guys. No offense intended, but every 15 minutes someone dies in this country from a DUI crash.

 

[Dave Wettlaufer]

I know, one of those drunks came real close to killing my wife and I.:grumble:

 

[Jet-Daytona]

I know this is a pain in the ass guys, but as a cop you would be surprised how many DUI drivers we take off the road. As for revenue, we actually lose money when we arrest people.

I do understand your guy?s frustration, but per case law, check points cannot make you wait any longer then about 3 minutes in line. The agency I work for, we do a check point about once a month and we are required to advertise it. Last week we had a stolen car drive right in, a parolee gang member with a gun under his seat and a father with all (3) of his kids in the car who could barely stand much less drive.

There is nothing worse than when you're sergeant calls you and asks you to search a field for a 4-year old girl?s arm that was cut off when her mom rolled the vehicle. That was my worst day ever?..

I am a dad first and at least once a month I see innocent people who are seriously injured or killed due to DUI drivers. With all of the education there is out today (sleep in your car, designated drivers, call a cab, walk home) you would think people would figure it out but they don't. Sorry to get on the soap box guys. No offense intended, but every 15 minutes someone dies in this country from a DUI crash.

My problem with your post is there have been many people pulled off the road and keys either in the ignition or in their pocket and still charged with a DUI because they are in control of the vehicle,and IMO that is wrong and that is about revenue. If the person did the correct thing and pulled over and still arrested it sends a mixed message.:thumbsdown

 

[RogerThat99]

I know this is a pain in the ass guys, but as a cop you would be surprised how many DUI drivers we take off the road. As for revenue, we actually lose money when we arrest people.

I do understand your guy?s frustration, but per case law, check points cannot make you wait any longer then about 3 minutes in line. The agency I work for, we do a check point about once a month and we are required to advertise it. Last week we had a stolen car drive right in, a parolee gang member with a gun under his seat and a father with all (3) of his kids in the car who could barely stand much less drive.

There is nothing worse than when you're sergeant calls you and asks you to search a field for a 4-year old girl?s arm that was cut off when her mom rolled the vehicle. That was my worst day ever?..

I am a dad first and at least once a month I see innocent people who are seriously injured or killed due to DUI drivers. With all of the education there is out today (sleep in your car, designated drivers, call a cab, walk home) you would think people would figure it out but they don't. Sorry to get on the soap box guys. No offense intended, but every 15 minutes someone dies in this country from a DUI crash.

Point taken. I don't disagree with a DUI checkpoint on the road. I was speaking of having one on an ATV trail. I do understand that there accidents involving people under the influence on ATVs, but I don't think it happens often enough to warrant a checkpoint. Where I live they are having DUI checkpoints for Mountain Bikers. Sorry but I don't agree with that. In a lot of college towns, they give you a DUI if you are driving or riding a bike, or a drunk in public for walking. What are you supposed to do? I believe those bike DUI's go on your driving record as well.

Once again I do agree with you and your examples while driving a car. Thank you for your service!! I know you guys sometimes get bashed on this site.

 

[GAnderson]

In 15 years as a cop I have never seen that. There is case law that a vehicle needs to be operating. There is a law that is referred to as "in or about a vehicle" but the burden of proof is on the officer to prove that the vehicle was being driven i.e.: a hit and run and the guy just walked away from the car and the victim did not see him behind the wheel for whatever reason (lighting, injury, etc).

The drunks rarely get hurt. It?s always the family?s (specifically the little kids) that are just driving to their destination that end up with the injuries or killed. Again guys, I am not trying to force my thoughts on you all or say that my way is the best way. DUI saturation patrols just don?t work.

As much as getting pulled over for whatever reasons sucks, the 20-30 cars that just drove by that traffic stop slows people down, causes people to buckle up or gets people to think and be just a little safer.

My hope is that you all make it to the river and back safely with your family's each and every weekend and that we all grow old and happy to see our kids and grandkids enjoy what we all love so much.

 

[GAnderson]

Rogerthat99, I agree with you 100% on that. Check points on a bicycle or an ATV on the dirt is weinie!!!! We as law enforcement have plenty more to do then mess with good hard working americans who love the dirt like I do.......

Anyway, I am going to watch Larry the cable guy's new show on the History channel. I am going up April 4 and 5th to do a tune up on the boat if anyones going to be up then. Be safe guys.

 

[Dave Wettlaufer]

I don't claim to have all the answers but stopping me for no reason is wrong. Stopping everyone for no reason is wrong.
It just seems that we're punishing everyone for the crimes of the minority in the name of our safety.
When you pull someone over when you are on patrol, you're required to have probable cause, yes?
Why does that not apply to these road blocks? The probable cause is an assumption of guilt.

PS About 12 years ago a friend of mine got a DUI at 4:30 AM in the parking lot of a bar. He was sound asleep with doors locked and the engine running for heat. It was well below freezing in February in Michigan. The bar had been closed since 2 AM.

 

[t&y]

Probable Cause... NO!

Any check point I have taken part of results in a few DUI's, multiple arrests for Drugs, and usually anywhere between 70 - 100 cars impounded from unlicensed or suspended licensed drivers.

They are just as much a PIA for the cops working them as they are for anybody that rolls through them.

 

[Dave Wettlaufer]

So probable cause is not required when pulling someone over?
Reasonable suspicion?

 

[pronstar]

Here's an interesting opinion on this that I agree with. Our freedoms are slowly eroded over time until we have none left.




1/26/2006
Opinion: Why Are DUI Sobriety Checkpoints Constitutional?
Attorney Lawrence Taylor explains the constitutionality of DUI roadblocks.

Have you ever wondered how police can stop you at a DUI roadblock (aka "sobriety checkpoint")? Doesn't the Constitution require them to have "probable cause before stopping you"? Yes and no.

The Constitution of the United States clearly says that police can't just stop someone and conduct an investigation unless there are "articulable facts" indicating possible criminal activity. So how can they do exactly that with drunk driving roadblocks? Good question. And it was raised in the case of Michigan v. Sitz, in which the Michigan Supreme Court striking down DUI roadblocks as unconstitutional. In a 6-3 decision, however, the U.S. Supreme Court reversed the Michigan court, holding that they were constitutionally permissible.

Chief Justice Rehnquist began his majority opinion by admitting that DUI sobriety checkpoints do, in fact, constitute a "seizure" within the language of the Fourth Amendment. In other words, yes, it appears to be a blatant violation of the Constitution. However, he continued, it's only a little one, and something has to be done about the "carnage" on the highways caused by drunk drivers. The "minimal intrusion on individual liberties," Rehnquist wrote, must be "weighed" against the need for -- and effectiveness of -- DUI roadblocks. In other words, the ends justify the means.

The dissenting justices pointed out that the Constitution doesn't make exceptions: The sole question is whether the police had probable cause to stop the individual driver. As Justice Brennan wrote, "That stopping every car might make it easier to prevent drunken driving... is an insufficient justification for abandoning the requirement of individualized suspicion... The most disturbing aspect of the Court's decision today is that it appears to give no weight to the citizen's interest in freedom from suspicionless investigatory seizures."

Rehnquist's justification for ignoring the Constitution rested on the assumption that DUI roadblocks were "necessary" and "effective." Are they? As Justice Stevens wrote in another dissenting opinion, the Michigan court had already reviewed the statistics on DUI sobriety checkpoints/roadblocks: "The findings of the trial court, based on an extensive record and affirmed by the Michigan Court of Appeals," he wrote, "indicate that the net effect of sobriety checkpoints on traffic safety is infinitesimal and possibly negative."

The case was sent back to the Michigan Supreme Court to change its decision accordingly. But the Michigan Supreme Court sidestepped Rehnquist by holding that DUI checkpoints, though now permissible under the U.S. Constitution, were not permissible under the Michigan State Constitution, and ruled again in favor of the defendant -- in effect saying to Rehnquist, "If you won't protect our citizens, we will." A small number of states have since followed Michigan's example.

Mr. Taylor is an attorney with the Law Offices of Lawrence Taylor and author of the standard text on DUI litigation, Drunk Driving Defense, 6th edition.

 

[t&y]

So probable cause is not required when pulling someone over?

No, probable cause is not required for me to pull you over.

Reasonable suspicion?

YES

 

[Dave Wettlaufer]

Yeah, semantics.

I have never gotten a DUI and I never will. It's not something I have to worry about.

pronstar's posted article sums it up for me.

I am an american citizen and I see no reason to give up any of my constitutional rights in the name of safety.

I don't agree with road blocks or the TSA's gestapo bs either but it seems the socialist freight train can't be stopped.:grumble:

 

[t&y]

Semantics??? Nope. Two different things.

 

[Dave Wettlaufer]

Yes, I understand it is legal terminology that designates two different levels of assumption.

 

[t&y]

Yes, I understand it is legal terminology that designates two different levels of assumption.

Close enough.

 

[Dave Wettlaufer]

You could have pointed out that difference a few posts back, but you didn't.

 

[t&y]

You could have pointed out that difference a few posts back, but you didn't.

:lmao

You are correct, I could of. But then I would of been offering information directly related to my career which we both know never turns out good on here. That, and I know you are a skilled google user and could find the correct answer yourself.

 

[Dave Wettlaufer]

Correct, but I was having a conversation, I thought.

You are being passive aggressive.

 

[Dave Wettlaufer]

The whole DUI stop deal is focked because drunk driving is such a huge problem and nothing seems to stop it.

The bars will actually spread the word on where the stops are.

I don't know how you stop it besides maybe 2nd offense, lose your car.
I don't even think that would work.:grumble:

 

[ductape1000]

The bars will actually spread the word on where the stops are.

I have an attorney friend that posts on facebook when he hears about the dui checkpoints around san marcos.

Nobody likes them, but I dont see them going away. On the road, OK, I will deal with them. Off-road, That sucks!!! :bash:

 

[Dave Wettlaufer]

Well, I may not like it but there is a big problem and they are trying to stop it. The problem lies with the people that are doing the drinking and then driving. If you've had more than a few, you are impaired and shouldn't be driving.
It's not worth it to take a chance on killing people just because you wanna go drive around while partying. Just the possibility of monetary loss should be enough to discourage drunk driving, but it's not.
I understand that many people feel that driving buzzed is ok, and I used to be one of them, but you can't have a limit that changes by your level of drinking experience and your body's tolerance. There is no test for that. Field sobriety tests are as close as it gets and it seems that the police would generally rather lock you up than let you be on your way if you have been drinking at all. The .08% limit is so low that a couple beers in an hour and you can blow above that.

Like I said earlier, I don't have the answer.

 

[Mr. C]

I don't know how you stop it besides maybe 2nd offense, lose your car.

I think the law (as of now or starting in 2012) now states if you get a 3rd one within a 10 year period you lose your license for 10 yrs.

 

[Dave Wettlaufer]

Unfortunately, the drunks still drive without a license. The one that hit us had no license, no insurance and no citizenship. :thumbsdown

 

[Gelcoater]

I have never been to Jawbone,do you have to pay to camp there like some other places? From readind the link it sounds as if the trails are narrow and a roadblock is an easy thing to do,they're taking advantage of the geography,to take advantage of the riders.

Lets see em pull this off at Glamis Good luck

 

[Dave Wettlaufer]

I once had a cop follow me and stop me because I made a right turn. It was daytime, late in the afternoon on a weekday, and they had set up a dui stop on the highway in Lake City, Florida where I worked at the time.
I was unaware of the DUI stop and was just going where I was going. I was detained for 45 minutes and my car was illegally searched without my consent. In the end, they "let" me go.

 

[RogerThat99]

Where I live they like to have the checkpoint somewhere where you can't see it until you are very close and they always have a few Moto Cops to pull over anyone who turns off the road before the checkpoint.

 

[Dave Wettlaufer]

Where I live they like to have the checkpoint somewhere where you can't see it until you are very close and they always have a few Moto Cops to pull over anyone who turns off the road before the checkpoint.

Exactly, the DUI checkpoint was a half mile ahead around a bend and the cop that came after me was in the median. I never even noticed him until he came flying up behind me and rode my ass for about a 1/4 mile before turning his lights on.

 

[oldschool]

I have never been to Jawbone,do you have to pay to camp there like some other places? From readind the link it sounds as if the trails are narrow and a roadblock is an easy thing to do,they're taking advantage of the geography,to take advantage of the riders.

Lets see em pull this off at Glamis Good luck

You don't have to pay at Jawbone Canyon or Dove Springs. It sounds like they are setting up between those two places. There's only a couple ways to go between the two, if you stay on the designated trails. The Jawbone Canyon Store is a cool spot where alot of people will stop and get a beer and some grub, they serve up a good chili dog. There is alot of traffic between Dove Springs and the store. www.jawbonecanyonstore.com

 

[Motor Boater]

I personally know several people who have been charged with DUI for sleeping in a car, Another for just unlocking and getting into the drivers seat (keys were never in the ignition), another who was sleeping with keys in the igntion, another who was in a house and cop said he saw him driving a few minutes ago. It happens all the time, I have been told by several if your going to sleep in a car to throw your keys as far as you can.

I get both sides of the debate on checkpoints, I hate getting stoppped and run through the ringer when Im being responsible. I also hate it when drunk people put my family in danger. I dont know what the answer but nothing they are doing works.

On another note, I was kicked out of a cab by a cop last saturday because I did not enter the cab in a "designated cab pick up area". There were several (about 16) people with the same problem. Some of them said F it and just drive off in their cars. I told the cop we had been drinking all day and needed a safe ride home. He didnt offer a solution or any help. We had to walk about a half a block to get out of site of the officer and grab another cab. Our only other option (which we almost took) was to drive home drunk. There are a lot of rediculous rules these days and non of it makes any sense.

 

[Dave Wettlaufer]

So, was this cop serving you or protecting you?:hmm

 

[t&y]

Correct, but I was having a conversation, I thought.

You are being passive aggressive.

That's how you interpreted what I typed Dave. I'm was simiply giving you straight answers instead of going into detail.

As far as the DUI checkpoints, they used to call them CDL/DUI check points then people were in an uproar because the cops didn't have any right to actually check if someone who was driving had a drivers license without RS for the stop. They now call them DUI check point for "safety reasons".

I think if they really want to target drunk drivers, they should take the same man power and put them all out in patrol cars between the hours of 2330 - 0400. I guarantee they would get more actual DUI's that way.

 

[rivermobster]

I have never been to Jawbone,do you have to pay to camp there like some other places? From readind the link it sounds as if the trails are narrow and a roadblock is an easy thing to do,they're taking advantage of the geography,to take advantage of the riders.

Lets see em pull this off at Glamis Good luck

Exactly. Depending on where they set up, a check point could go in easily.

You dont have to pay, its pretty much open desert. Most people camp in Dove Springs, and ride over to Jaw Bone to party/eat/drink at the Jaw Bone store. The have some killer tri-tip sammiches and live bands on the weekends.

So my guess they will set up on the main road between DS and JB.

Since its open desert, there are tons of ways to get around the main roads, but you need to get on em back at the store. Once your on the main roads, your screwed.


And as far as Glamis goes, they have been doin that same chit for years!!! They set-up on Sand Highway and the main road that goes back to the Beach Store from Olds. They see you turn out into the dunes, and they will be on your tail instantly. This why I camp where I do, deep in the washes, far away from the north/west sides of the dunes as i can possibly get.

 

[Dave Wettlaufer]

That's how you interpreted what I typed Dave. I'm was simiply giving you straight answers instead of going into detail.

As far as the DUI checkpoints, they used to call them CDL/DUI check points then people were in an uproar because the cops didn't have any right to actually check if someone who was driving had a drivers license without RS for the stop. They now call them DUI check point for "safety reasons".

I think if they really want to target drunk drivers, they should take the same man power and put them all out in patrol cars between the hours of 2330 - 0400. I guarantee they would get more actual DUI's that way.

Yup, I agree.

 

[RiverDave]

Here's an interesting opinion on this that I agree with. Our freedoms are slowly eroded over time until we have none left.




1/26/2006
Opinion: Why Are DUI Sobriety Checkpoints Constitutional?
Attorney Lawrence Taylor explains the constitutionality of DUI roadblocks.

Have you ever wondered how police can stop you at a DUI roadblock (aka "sobriety checkpoint")? Doesn't the Constitution require them to have "probable cause before stopping you"? Yes and no.

The Constitution of the United States clearly says that police can't just stop someone and conduct an investigation unless there are "articulable facts" indicating possible criminal activity. So how can they do exactly that with drunk driving roadblocks? Good question. And it was raised in the case of Michigan v. Sitz, in which the Michigan Supreme Court striking down DUI roadblocks as unconstitutional. In a 6-3 decision, however, the U.S. Supreme Court reversed the Michigan court, holding that they were constitutionally permissible.

Chief Justice Rehnquist began his majority opinion by admitting that DUI sobriety checkpoints do, in fact, constitute a "seizure" within the language of the Fourth Amendment. In other words, yes, it appears to be a blatant violation of the Constitution. However, he continued, it's only a little one, and something has to be done about the "carnage" on the highways caused by drunk drivers. The "minimal intrusion on individual liberties," Rehnquist wrote, must be "weighed" against the need for -- and effectiveness of -- DUI roadblocks. In other words, the ends justify the means.

The dissenting justices pointed out that the Constitution doesn't make exceptions: The sole question is whether the police had probable cause to stop the individual driver. As Justice Brennan wrote, "That stopping every car might make it easier to prevent drunken driving... is an insufficient justification for abandoning the requirement of individualized suspicion... The most disturbing aspect of the Court's decision today is that it appears to give no weight to the citizen's interest in freedom from suspicionless investigatory seizures."

Rehnquist's justification for ignoring the Constitution rested on the assumption that DUI roadblocks were "necessary" and "effective." Are they? As Justice Stevens wrote in another dissenting opinion, the Michigan court had already reviewed the statistics on DUI sobriety checkpoints/roadblocks: "The findings of the trial court, based on an extensive record and affirmed by the Michigan Court of Appeals," he wrote, "indicate that the net effect of sobriety checkpoints on traffic safety is infinitesimal and possibly negative."

The case was sent back to the Michigan Supreme Court to change its decision accordingly. But the Michigan Supreme Court sidestepped Rehnquist by holding that DUI checkpoints, though now permissible under the U.S. Constitution, were not permissible under the Michigan State Constitution, and ruled again in favor of the defendant -- in effect saying to Rehnquist, "If you won't protect our citizens, we will." A small number of states have since followed Michigan's example.

Mr. Taylor is an attorney with the Law Offices of Lawrence Taylor and author of the standard text on DUI litigation, Drunk Driving Defense, 6th edition.

Based on that this should go through supreme court again. Their job is to interpret the constitution.. NEVER to make exceptions to it. That guy should be shot for treason.

The whole DUI stop deal is focked because drunk driving is such a huge problem and nothing seems to stop it.

The bars will actually spread the word on where the stops are.

I don't know how you stop it besides maybe 2nd offense, lose your car.
I don't even think that would work.:grumble:

they should make the laws legit, and raise them to a tolerable level, and stop making what should be legal.. illegal. .10 was fine.


RD

 

[Gelcoater]

Exactly. Depending on where they set up, a check point could go in easily.

You dont have to pay, its pretty much open desert. Most people camp in Dove Springs, and ride over to Jaw Bone to party/eat/drink at the Jaw Bone store. The have some killer tri-tip sammiches and live bands on the weekends.

So my guess they will set up on the main road between DS and JB.

Since its open desert, there are tons of ways to get around the main roads, but you need to get on em back at the store. Once your on the main roads, your screwed.


And as far as Glamis goes, they have been doin that same chit for years!!! They set-up on Sand Highway and the main road that goes back to the Beach Store from Olds. They see you turn out into the dunes, and they will be on your tail instantly. This why I camp where I do, deep in the washes, far away from the north/west sides of the dunes as i can possibly get.

I have seen them do stops on Gecko road but not on sand hwy,i guess because i dont use it much And if i did on sand hwy,what would stop me from just turning into the dunes and go around it? Its not like they could catch me anyway on those 4x4 farm implement quads they ride.

I could imagine they will set up on Ted Kipf road now that its street reg. only now,not that i care.I dont do Boardmanville any more since "the incedent"

 

[rivermobster]

they have upgraded there fleet jus a bit...

 

[Gelcoater]

they have upgraded there fleet jus a bit...

I hope they have a copter,not one of those fat focks or their trucks or long wheelbase taildragger could touch meNo offense to the kind officers.

Not that I would ever do anything like that

 

[dmh]

it doesnt matter the grants from the feds have been given to the agencies that have asked FOR them we need that in the inland area just sayin THE THIN BLUE LINE

 

[rivermobster]

I hope they have a copter,not one of those fat focks or their trucks or long wheelbase taildragger could touch meNo offense to the kind officers.

Not that I would ever do anything like that

you no likey the funco??? :rotflmao:

thats prolly the best handling sandrail out there today. im not sure id try to run from one!!

but i never ever hang in those aeras of the dunes anyway. i like my sand the same way i like my water. smoooooooooooooooooooooth and flat.

 

[OGShocker]

thats prolly the best handling sandrail out there today. im not sure id try to run from one!!

They drive their shit like they stole it. I would be hesitant to run from somebody with their fix it budget too.

 

[mbrown2]

I dont do Boardmanville any more since "the incedent"

What is "the incedent"...sorry don't go to Glamis so just wondered..

I think the DUI checkpoint thing is unconstitutional period...definitely an erosion of freedoms....kind of like the cams here in phx...for profit, not for safety...

 

[TPC]

We were letting one of the kids drink a beer about a half hour before he turned 21 at midnight when the BLM Rangers came up behind him and he got pop'd.
The fact we had LEOs in the group didn't mean a thing to them.

But on the good side it's a $100 FEDERAL ticket that doesn't go on his record unless he doesn't pay it, and on top of that it would go to warrant as well.

With Federal budget cuts on the horizon they are very aggressive. It'd be real easy to eliminate BLM Rangers from the budget. I don't know anyone that would miss them.

DUI checkpoints we encounter are Twentynine Palms East of town,, Earp,, Channel Islands Harbor at the bridge and along Victoria in route back to the 101.

In Simi Valley they are usually in front of a big, empty Parking lot of a closed business.

 

[TPC]

What is "the incedent"...sorry don't go to Glamis so just wondered..

I think the DUI checkpoint thing is unconstitutional period...definitely an erosion of freedoms....kind of like the cams here in phx...for profit, not for safety...

The incident was a golf cart full of kids at the Beach Store RR crossing waited for the train to pass, but didn't see another train coming from the other direction and were fatally hit.
A terrible tragedy.
http://www.socaps.com/chit-chat/6731-glamis-train-accident-kills-three-kids.html

 

[Meaney77]

We were letting one of the kids drink a beer about a half hour before he turned 21 at midnight when the BLM Rangers came up behind him and he got pop'd.
The fact we had LEOs in the group didn't mean a thing to them.

But on the good side it's a $100 FEDERAL ticket that doesn't go on his record unless he doesn't pay it, and on top of that it would go to warrant as well.

With Federal budget cuts on the horizon they are very aggressive. It'd be real easy to eliminate BLM Rangers from the budget. I don't know anyone that would miss them.

DUI checkpoints we encounter are Twentynine Palms East of town,, Earp,, Channel Islands Harbor at the bridge and along Victoria in route back to the 101.

In Simi Valley they are usually in front of a big, empty Parking lot of a closed business.

There was a check point in front of Costco in Westlake on Friday night also. Such a random place right where you exist Lindero Canyon.