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This is a somewhat serious question. I have my theories, but what are yours? We have guys trying to be girls, but still like girls... The sight of a firearm, "triggers" people... We have the "Trigger" word being used, and it was a part of a gun when I was a kid. The country is worried more about "Feelings", than actions or accomplishments.
Notice, this isn't about politics and immigration? We have some other problems I think. I'm 41. I grew up in a house where it was stated, "You come home with an earing, you'll walk out wearing a dress". I was taught that sometimes you may bleed at work, but the job needs to get done. When I was young, I remember my Dad near crawling through the door, back jacked up. He'd go to bed, to wake up at 3:30am and do it again. Now some people look at blue collar workers as a lower class, and don't give them any respect. Those same people are also the ones that complain about the costs of repairs on their homes. Pick up a damn hammer, and swing it for a few hours!
My brother is a "Computer information something something", and he is one of them. He still owes a ton on his house, but owns some nice bottles of wine I'm told. I buy my beverages a 12pack at a time, but own a couple properties outright. Sure, there are cold damp mornings my body hurts. On those, I often wonder if I'd have been better off with, "schoolin' and a degree". By the end of my first cup of coffee, I come to my senses. I wouldn't be here. My blood, sweat and tears came from much more than paper cuts and hot sauce.
 

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Honestly, people want shit for free. Nobody wants to work for anything. All the entitlement programs have everyone intrigued and thirsty for more ways to work less and get more. The scary thing is the scales are tipping and the government is biting. I heard yesterday New York announced free healthcare or some shit? The scary thing is what is going to happen when the next generation is ready to retire and they don’t have savings, don’t have a home and Social Security it dried up? There will be a major crisis in my opinion.
 

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I’ll tell a story and this may help explain.

My nephew is 7 and is fully into sports of all kinds. One day my wife and I went to his championship soccer game. He played well and scored one goal! Great for him! I asked “what was the final score?” As there wasn’t a score board. He said “ I don’t know we don’t keep score” I then asked “we’re the other teams playing for third and 4th place?” He said “no we are all playing for the championship” I was dumbfounded by this remark how could several soccer teams be playing for the championship?

My in laws said that’s how all sports are today no losers, no winners just players. There is no competition and everyone is rewarded with trophy’s and ribbons.

My nephew hates to lose and is the biggest sore loser of all time imo. It’s so bad he doesn’t want to play with the kids his size. Only wants to play down a level so he is the best kid on the team because the rest are smaller and slower.

This is why we have pussification in America kids don’t know how to lose and become better and work hard to win. Starts at 5-7 years old when they start team sports and school!
 

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Social Media.

It gave everyone a voice. The news media feeds off negativity. "Influencers" and celebs express discontent with something, hords of sheep follow, news media picks it up. The social norm gets pushed for these peoples agendas. Add in the democrat agenda, celebrities that have access to the president, and what you get is a dumb down society that puts people that pretend to be others (Hollywood) on a pedestal and the voice of every fat, non white male, gay, trans, shit hole living, feminist above everyone else.

This is why people here on this forum have such a tight bond. We became the enemy of a nation that we and our fore fathers built.
 

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Social Media.

It gave everyone a voice. The news media feeds off negativity. "Influencers" and celebs express discontent with something, hords of sheep follow, news media picks it up. The social norm gets pushed for these peoples agendas. Add in the democrat agenda, celebrities that have access to the president, and what you get is a dumb down society that puts people that pretend to be others (Hollywood) on a pedestal and the voice of every fat, non white male, gay, trans, shit hole living, feminist above everyone else.

This is why people here on this forum have such a tight bond. We became the enemy of a nation that we and our fore fathers built.
Our Fore Fathers are rolling in their graves.
 

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Social Media.

It gave everyone a voice. The news media feeds off negativity. "Influencers" and celebs express discontent with something, hords of sheep follow, news media picks it up. The social norm gets pushed for these peoples agendas. Add in the democrat agenda, celebrities that have access to the president, and what you get is a dumb down society that puts people that pretend to be others (Hollywood) on a pedestal and the voice of every fat, non white male, gay, trans, shit hole living, feminist above everyone else.

This is why people here on this forum have such a tight bond. We became the enemy of a nation that we and our fore fathers built.
I guess the celebrity thing is true. I hear people talk about so-and-so's political stance, but I just think of them as entertainers. I watch movies and just think of them as people on a screen, reading a script. Never been friends with one, so not people that have any sway in my opinion. As far as social media goes, I only have RDP, and now follow a couple of my friends shops in Instagram. Most here are more politically right leaning, as myself. I don't think all lefties are as portrayed in the news either. As far as political leaders, my thoughts are they are all dishonest.
 

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The son of a very good friend of mine turned out gay in his early teens. Writing was on the wall when I saw him very early in his teens, surrounded by bunch of girls at all times, never boys. Super smart kid, he went schooling in England to become a lawyer. He's back in Canada this year to become a social justice lawyer,:rolleyes::eek:;)
 

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Personally I think that a couple generations ago parents had good intentions in wanting to give their children a better life than they had. Problem with that is that they gave it to them and missed the opportunity to teach them about values, ethics, morals, hard work and rewards and the kids never earned or learned anything from what was given to them and that is what has created the entitlement culture we have today.
I feel that most of all the problems in our country or the world for that matter all start at home.
Just my 2 cents from a crabby old fuck.
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It’s not just this country, it’s western culture.

A generation of coddling, everyone is a winner, competition is bad, everyone is the same. Laziness gets the same reward as hard work.

If everyone is the same, then there’s no perceived benefit to excel to distance yourself from others.

We’ve also put too much emphasis on emotions, rather than hard skills.

Rather than focus on learning a skill, people want to follow their non-paying dreams.

So we now have the first generation of Americans who will not earn as much as their parents...and it’s “unfair”. Lacking the skills to do anything about it, all they can do is respond emotionally.


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Personally I think that a couple generations ago parents had good intentions in wanting to give their children a better life than they had. Problem with that is that they gave it to them and missed the opportunity to teach them about values, ethics, morals, hard work and rewards and the kids never earned or learned anything from what was given to them and that is what has created the entitlement culture we have today.
I feel that most of all the problems in our country or the world for that matter all start at home.
Just my 2 cents from a crabby old fuck.
Lol
That and the fact economics played a part in it. When living life required a two income household the children were not taught their family values anymore.
 

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Pussification is 2 simple reasons.

1. Life has become too easy. Within the last 3 generations we as a society have gone from worrying about feeding our family to worrying about getting this years latest phone. This leads to number 2.

2. With all this new found time and connectivity no one can mind their own business, and leverage “influence” to tell you how to live your life or complaining about things that bother them - Christmas carols are offensive, the grass at the local park is not trimmed, and a waste of water, people drive too fast, just deal with the homeless people, etc.
 

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The term and its use always fascinates me. It is rooted in such bias and righteousness.

Every generation is different, it’s always been that way. Whether it is due to continual advancement in technology or evolution as a society, either is impossible to stop. All we can do is manage ourselves and our households the best we can.
 

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The term and its use always fascinates me. It is rooted in such bias and righteousness.

Every generation is different, it’s always been that way. Whether it is due to continual advancement in technology or evolution as a society, either is impossible to stop. All we can do is manage ourselves and our households the best we can.


While the second part is true, you have to admit that there has been an erosion of accountability, and culture in the past few decades, with just as much bias and righteousness coming from those that decry a free exchange of ideas and a difference of opinion.
 

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The term and its use always fascinates me. It is rooted in such bias and righteousness.

Every generation is different, it’s always been that way. Whether it is due to continual advancement in technology or evolution as a society, either is impossible to stop. All we can do is manage ourselves and our households the best we can.

That’s a pretty passive view, though.
Life shouldn’t be like a wave that crashes over us.

I agree with your last statement, and I also think that this is how we actively do something.


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I believe it really started with the "no kid left behind" bullshit. As soon as the government made it almost impossible for a kid to fail and have to repeat a grade, the rest of the dominos fell in line and the possibility of failure has been slowly removed.

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That’s a pretty passive view, though.
Life shouldn’t be like a wave that crashes over us.

I agree with your last statement, and I also think that this is how we actively do something.


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Not passive at all. All I can do is manage my situation.
 

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My dad would be so upset when the long hair came in and the Led Zeplin music was around. It would drive him nuts with the hippie generation.

1. From my point I think everything has gotten so easy it spoils all of us and our kids are part of this.
In my prime boat owners cleaned their own boats now people pay people to clean their boats. What do the kids see??
 

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Lol my how this board has aged.

There clearly are issues with every generation.

But it’s the same cycle of the older generation telling the younger how easy they have it. The music sucks, men were men and women knew it, we played football with no helmets, etc. etc.

There are plenty of young people that are successful financially as well as raising decent families.

We’re all a bunch of “pussies”compared to the kids working in factories in the early 1900s.


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I have no idea but my kids are not going to be that. My brother's now X fiance who is 34 yrs old and really a full blown millennial moved out here to get married and completely fell apart recently. I got her a job that covered all but 80$ a month for healthcare that was a really good plan and she lost her shit multiple times over the price etc. She went skiing with my daughters and started to cry and throw a fit in the parking lot, my 15 year old daughter was shaking her head and than announced "we have a princess on our hands". I could give you several examples but it was incredible to watch the breakdown. My brother called it off and when I told my daughter she said she isn't tough enough.
 

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I dunno, I do know I don't fit any of the stereotypes that are always placed on me. So I'm just going to keep on keeping on. I'll keep manufacturing everything I sell (because I want something for nothing) and keep racing heads up ..... you know, because I'm such a pussy and all.

I do enjoy the banter of y'all trying to figure it out tho.
 

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When I grew up, I followed my Dad around the house everywhere to help him. He fixed just about everything. My parents gave me a long list of chores for a very modest weekly allowance. It was clear that if I wanted more money, I had to get out there and earn it. Paper routes, mowing lawns, pulling weeds, washing cars, etc. I had my first job at 12.5 under a workers permit that paid me $1.85 minimum wage.

Today, most kids are given everything and can't perform simple tasks, except to use their smart phone and surf social media. I had a kid walk by my house asking why I had the car on jacks with the wheels off. I said I was checking brakes and rotating tires. He responded why not have someone else do the work and pay for it. I said, I'd rather pay myself. He looked at me with that dumbfounded look as he clearly didn't understand what I was trying to tell him. I bet most kids don't know how to start a lawnmower.
 
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[QUOTE="RCDave, post: 3207230, member: 6692" I best most kids don't know how to start a lawnmower.[/QUOTE]


Who’s fault is that?

I too followed my dad and was able to run skill saws, drive trucks, back trailers by age 12. Only because my dad took the time to teach me.



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no question its the media, and i wont even just limit that to social media. I feel the society has been heavily influenced and lead by the media thats essentially forced down peoples throats, and that in turn reflects on social media. (NPC theory kinda)
 

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My list includes
- social media and everyone showing only the positives
- PARENTS - not holding kids accountable for their actions (no consequences anymore)
- kids sports - winning and losing taught you something, everyone wins now is BS
 

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I’ll tell a story and this may help explain.

My nephew is 7 and is fully into sports of all kinds. One day my wife and I went to his championship soccer game. He played well and scored one goal! Great for him! I asked “what was the final score?” As there wasn’t a score board. He said “ I don’t know we don’t keep score” I then asked “we’re the other teams playing for third and 4th place?” He said “no we are all playing for the championship” I was dumbfounded by this remark how could several soccer teams be playing for the championship?

My in laws said that’s how all sports are today no losers, no winners just players. There is no competition and everyone is rewarded with trophy’s and ribbons.

My nephew hates to lose and is the biggest sore loser of all time imo. It’s so bad he doesn’t want to play with the kids his size. Only wants to play down a level so he is the best kid on the team because the rest are smaller and slower.

This is why we have pussification in America kids don’t know how to lose and become better and work hard to win. Starts at 5-7 years old when they start team sports and school!

Wow, sounds like we are going in the wrong direction. Everyone working for the common goal sounds a little socialist to me.
 

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There is so much too it and you just can't point the finger at one thing.....

I absolutely believe the invention of the Internet/cell phone/personal computer and for sure social media has a lot to do with it. I also think parents are too busy being a shit show (divorce ,Single parents , work first , keeping up with the jones's etc...) vs. spending the correct amount of time with there children and being strong quality parents.

This world is still filled with a huge percentage of quality people. The issue is social media has given assholes a platform to be loud and it's drowning out the positive messages of years past. Kids are impressionable and if they get more parenting from the kardashians or Instagram you end up with outrage culture.

We control this and we as parents are 100% at fault of what the world has become. (we have been fucking up our kids since the dawm of time it's just much easier now)

I suggest everyone watch the first video and the statistics shown....( especially if you have a daughter)



 
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[QUOTE="RCDave, post: 3207230, member: 6692" I best most kids don't know how to start a lawnmower.


Who’s fault is that?

I too followed my dad and was able to run skill saws, drive trucks, back trailers by age 12. Only because my dad took the time to teach me.



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Absolutely....

My dad was a classic babyboomer and once he started making $$$ never got his hands dirty again. My dad for the most part taught me very very little about using my hands(I got a little knowledge up until age 10 with jetskis). It was my passion for cars that drove me to fix and build things. My dad has actually gotten more into getting his hands dirty building stuff as he got older and because I am into it.

Dads don't teach there kids to be handy anymore. I have 40 y/o friends that honestly couldn't change a flat tire if they had to. There idea of tools is a leatherman...lol
 

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I think it has to do with maslow's hierarchy of needs. In first world countries, most basic needs (food, water, safety, shelter, etc) are covered either by hard work or social welfare net, this leads to people needing to achieve their psychological and self fulfillment needs next which can vary depending on what social cause trips their trigger.

To me it seems like in 3rd world countries where basic needs are not met, you dont have a lot of social equity discussions when you are trying to just keep your family alive.
 

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I’ll tell a story and this may help explain.

My nephew is 7 and is fully into sports of all kinds. One day my wife and I went to his championship soccer game. He played well and scored one goal! Great for him! I asked “what was the final score?” As there wasn’t a score board. He said “ I don’t know we don’t keep score” I then asked “we’re the other teams playing for third and 4th place?” He said “no we are all playing for the championship” I was dumbfounded by this remark how could several soccer teams be playing for the championship?

My in laws said that’s how all sports are today no losers, no winners just players. There is no competition and everyone is rewarded with trophy’s and ribbons.

My nephew hates to lose and is the biggest sore loser of all time imo. It’s so bad he doesn’t want to play with the kids his size. Only wants to play down a level so he is the best kid on the team because the rest are smaller and slower.

This is why we have pussification in America kids don’t know how to lose and become better and work hard to win. Starts at 5-7 years old when they start team sports and school!


He must be very young.

Sports are still very competitive once you get to age 8-10. They should get away from AYSO and get into club if they really want the kid to learn.
 

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[QUOTE="RCDave, post: 3207230, member: 6692" I best most kids don't know how to start a lawnmower.


Who’s fault is that?

I too followed my dad and was able to run skill saws, drive trucks, back trailers by age 12. Only because my dad took the time to teach me.



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Exactly. I did the same thing. Learned everything from my father. My son who is 4 does the same with me. He’s a worker and loves it. He will thank me later in life
 

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That and the fact economics played a part in it. When living life required a two income household the children were not taught their family values anymore.

I completely agree with you. I spent more time with teachers, day care teenagers, or with my tv when I was old enough to be home alone than I did my parents growing up. The ratio was completely f-ed up. As technology advances you would think that people and business would utilize these advancements to focus on family and spending time with the ones we love but instead we are stuck with our faces in electronic devices or watching tv. I am guilty of this some days and I know it needs to change. Due to some turbulence at work over the holidays I was able to spend a ton of time with my kids and it was awesome. With the advancements that we have made our society could easily shift to a 4 or even a 3 day work week and maintain the same level of productivity that we had in the 70's and 80's. Parental involvement in kids lives is more important than economic growth for its own sake. At least that's my thought.

I’ll tell a story and this may help explain.

My nephew is 7 and is fully into sports of all kinds. One day my wife and I went to his championship soccer game. He played well and scored one goal! Great for him! I asked “what was the final score?” As there wasn’t a score board. He said “ I don’t know we don’t keep score” I then asked “we’re the other teams playing for third and 4th place?” He said “no we are all playing for the championship” I was dumbfounded by this remark how could several soccer teams be playing for the championship?

My in laws said that’s how all sports are today no losers, no winners just players. There is no competition and everyone is rewarded with trophy’s and ribbons.

My nephew hates to lose and is the biggest sore loser of all time imo. It’s so bad he doesn’t want to play with the kids his size. Only wants to play down a level so he is the best kid on the team because the rest are smaller and slower.

This is why we have pussification in America kids don’t know how to lose and become better and work hard to win. Starts at 5-7 years old when they start team sports and school!

My son played in AYSO last fall for the first time. He is 6. I thought the trophies for all, no score keeping and no winners or losers was stupid. I still believe that but I am tempered a bit. I think early while they are learning the fundamentals and rules of the game this is fine. The reason why my feelings changed is because I see him sitting in his room staring at that trophy with a smile on his face all the time. He is proud of that trophy and I am proud of him for working so hard. I told him he earned that trophy because of his hard work not because they give one to everyone. He starts flag football this spring.

Can we please bring back spanking our kids?

I do when they deserve it. I feel bad about it every time too.

[QUOTE="RCDave, post: 3207230, member: 6692" I best most kids don't know how to start a lawnmower.


Who’s fault is that?

I too followed my dad and was able to run skill saws, drive trucks, back trailers by age 12. Only because my dad took the time to teach me.



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I make my kid do house projects with me whether he wants to or not. He will thank me later.
 

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I can think of a few things:

a) Technology - it's made people lazy
b) Social Media - keyboard warriors. Things you would never say in front of a person, can be said from the safety of your device. You see people do all these great things, have great things, but in reality, these people's lives are a wreck.
c) People too concerned with or wanting to be other people, while their own household is falling apart.
d) Lack of discipline
e) Lack of independence. A kid can no longer explore their neighborhood, "their world".
f) Coddling too much for too long. Theirs always a backstop; kids/young adults no longer have to bust their ass in fear of failure.
 

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monkeyswrench said:
This is a somewhat serious question. I have my theories, but what are yours? We have guys trying to be girls, but still like girls... The sight of a firearm, "triggers" people... We have the "Trigger" word being used, and it was a part of a gun when I was a kid. The country is worried more about "Feelings", than actions or accomplishments.
Notice, this isn't about politics and immigration? We have some other problems I think. I'm 41. I grew up in a house where it was stated, "You come home with an earing, you'll walk out wearing a dress". I was taught that sometimes you may bleed at work, but the job needs to get done. When I was young, I remember my Dad near crawling through the door, back jacked up. He'd go to bed, to wake up at 3:30am and do it again. Now some people look at blue collar workers as a lower class, and don't give them any respect. Those same people are also the ones that complain about the costs of repairs on their homes. Pick up a damn hammer, and swing it for a few hours!
My brother is a "Computer information something something", and he is one of them. He still owes a ton on his house, but owns some nice bottles of wine I'm told. I buy my beverages a 12pack at a time, but own a couple properties outright. Sure, there are cold damp mornings my body hurts. On those, I often wonder if I'd have been better off with, "schoolin' and a degree". By the end of my first cup of coffee, I come to my senses. I wouldn't be here. My blood, sweat and tears came from much more than paper cuts and hot sauce.

Wow, you're such a man's man. Congratulations.

That was uncalled for Grads. But then again I can relate to pretty much everything he said. Mowing lawns, working for next to nothing trying to learn some skills. Once I was working on my boat replacing the waterpump impeller and my girlfriend at the time asked how I learned to do all this stuff. I told her this. I tried and I failed. I tried again and I failed again. But I kept trying until I didn't fail anymore. With few exceptions young people are not allowed to fail anymore. That's why we have now raised a couple of generations of pussies. It can only get worse.
 

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Parents always want better for their kids. They didn't want their kid working a dead end factory job like they did. Stopped pushing their kids into the trades. Each generation just gets softer and softer. But hey, we have a lot of I.T. type guys that can't change a tire.
 

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My list includes
- social media and everyone showing only the positives
- PARENTS - not holding kids accountable for their actions (no consequences anymore)
- kids sports - winning and losing taught you something, everyone wins now is BS

Word.
 

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You guys are missing one major dynamic. And that is instant gratification. The kids of today have not been taught hard work, patience and many small goals leading to bigger more accomplishing goals later in life. Furthermore they haven't been taught to accomplish ANY goals on their own without someone holding their hand.
IMO this instant gratification leads to entitlement from never been told "no" which leads to throwing a dam fit and so on. The youth (and Grads) have someone supplying the money while they reap the benefits.
 

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I believe it really started with the "no kid left behind" bullshit. As soon as the government made it almost impossible for a kid to fail and have to repeat a grade, the rest of the dominos fell in line and the possibility of failure has been slowly removed.

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Bingo, this right here along with social media are huge negatives. My wife teaches in a pretty conservative school district and the double standard with the parents who talk the talk like most of us do on here, but will be the first to use an "advocate" (lawyer) to make sure their kids 504 for "test anxiety " so they can cheat on all the work + turn it in late, is upheld . Anxiety and fear of screwing up is what drives people to achieve greatness and kick ass. The no child left behind is a direct path breastfeeding them straight to Disability Social Security at an early age. My generation's the one that's doing it too, and I think it partially stems from wanting more for your kids plus wanting to be buddies with them more than in past generations. I got spanked/ belted as a kid and it was what set me straight, but I know old Italian guys who were chained to trees and beaten and shit....... we've lost the middle ground.
 
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Since whae

Since when is a custom painted Bayliner a nice boat???????
Sorry, I meant the pic...but even a running Bayliner would be 1up for me...Scattered the Alpha, and backup is a 30yo jet with 80s interior.
I have no idea but my kids are not going to be that. My brother's now X fiance who is 34 yrs old and really a full blown millennial moved out here to get married and completely fell apart recently. I got her a job that covered all but 80$ a month for healthcare that was a really good plan and she lost her shit multiple times over the price etc. She went skiing with my daughters and started to cry and throw a fit in the parking lot, my 15 year old daughter was shaking her head and than announced "we have a princess on our hands". I could give you several examples but it was incredible to watch the breakdown. My brother called it off and when I told my daughter she said she isn't tough enough.
Cool, you don't have to watch your fuckin' mouth:D

The main reason I asked this question here is pretty simple. RDP has a diverse group, a large socioeconomic background. There are people old enough to be my parents, as well as those young enough to be my kids. There are those here who could write one check to cover everything I own, and those just starting out. Not too many places like that I have found in life. People that grew up differently, be it era or financial means, may see things different. Sometimes hearing other's opinions may open your eyes to other points of view. I read up a few posts about not trying to change the world, but worrying about your own home. I agree. I do my best to do right by my kids, but the long game is tough. Playing it by ear. My two older ones(14 and 12) have "not so" smart phones. Old, cheap, but some ability. They are checked randomly, and charged on the kitchen counter. No social media for either. Am I too strict on my "Urban Amish" theory? Time will tell. Yes, I'm giving my daughter a truck next week for her birthday. It's a 30yo Chevy, needs paint and interior. She'll help me sand if she wants it shiny. If she keeps her 4.0 in her classes, I'll cover insurance. She's in second semester calculus at the community college as a sophomore in high school, I think it's a fair trade.
 

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I agree with alot of what you guys have posted on this subject.. differ with a few comments.

I will ad one key thing..

How many young men are raised by single mothers.....???? With no father or male influence in there lives.

When those young men grow up, they are given a pass, pass along the traits of growing up with out a dad...

The last 40 years of this, has spread a mentality that has weakened the publics perception of mens "opinions". If you look at most things in politics, news, marketing, its all about women, and womens needs.... women oppression... women rights... (I believe there is alot of progress to be made on those items)... Buts mens needs, opinions are no longer have the "Value" they once had.

There are some amazing single moms out there. But they still only have a female perspective, whats missing is the male perspective...

There are alot of happily married men on this board, how many of them say that their wife agrees with every notion in there head... none... because men are men, women are women, both look at the same situation different. Thats a good thing... But men are the whipping boy to the public at the moment. Especially with the Hollywood sex scandals. Trust me, my wife tells me every day, that I just dont get it,, and alot of times I dont... I have learned alot from her, and very happy to have her in my life. My kids are prime examples of kids that grew up with in a loving Mom, Dad, 2 Kids family... Both are on path to exceed my expections.

Young fathers have to step up, be a dad... not just at the beginning,,, then entire 18-22 years...

When you have a few generations of that, you might see a change...

But thats my opinion.
 

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Even in the workplace it has gotten very easy.
Today you have to make sure it is completely safe even if moving a ladder. Today if a employee in the power industry does any work he must complete a job safety analysis of any hazard. Most of the time this thing just paper whiped. The lazy guys love it they do little work and just fill out paper work. Not long ago you hired a person that could think on his own and do the work that needed to get done. Today you would get fired if you went to work with filling out all the paper work.
 

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[QUOTE="monkeyswrench, post:
My two older ones(14 and 12) have "not so" smart phones. Old, cheap, but some ability. They are checked randomly, and charged on the kitchen counter. No social media for either. Am I too strict on my "Urban Amish" theory? Time will tell.[/QUOTE]

IMO I think this right here is a VERY good step in the right direction sir.
And when you say "only time will tell" you are correct.
I say no cell phone yet. I don't want my kids to grow up too fast. I'm told to give my kids' cell phones at a young age so they are not left out of the social media life. My response is always "let me know how that works out in 20 years". Let kids be kids.
 
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