Impeachment is DOA

[Old Texan]

You are the one ignoring facts.

During the first round of hearings, Republicans were prevented from calling their own witnesses. They were only allowed to question the individuals called by Democrats, and those "witnesses" had been carefully coached, made aware of the questions that would be asked in advance, and rehearsed their responses with House Democrat staff members. There were repeated instances where Schiff interrupted Republican members' inquiries, thereby consuming their allotted time for questioning. In a few instances, Schiff completely cut off certain lines of questioning.

The Democrats selectively released testimony from their carefully chosen cowbirds to the media, and the executive branch was prevented from even attending the sham process, much less enjoying the ability to present witnesses or question the Democrat's carefully selected lineup of peripherally important bit players that regurgitated second and third hand accounts.

Your reply above ignores these facts, and purports to represent the process as one which was conducted in decorum and fairness, which is not remotely related to actual events.

Feel free to LOL and criticize my observations, which plainly illustrates your purpose for participating in this forum. That you focus on childish criticism and drive-by insults instead of never contributing anything of substance to the discussion clearly shows you cannot formulate any serious analysis or commentary.

You possess neither the intellect or ability to objectively examine and discuss the reasons for the Democrats' impeachment effort, a politicized circus of false accusations and innuendo that Andrei Vyshinsky, prosecutor at the 1936 Zinoviev-Kamenev show trials, or Roland Freisler, Nazi prosecutor of those accused in the July 1944 Hitler assassination plot, would readily recognize.

So LOL away. It results in exposing your ignorance and inadequacies, not mine.

Outstanding.....

The hate for Trump drives 2 posters in this thread whom refuse to see the sham for what it is out of that hate, and try and justify it out of pure childishness of getting their way.

Question them, and they'll toss out some assinine bet that only makes them look that more desperate.

 

[Old Texan]

It is funny, my friends with family in Mexico tell me they hate...literally, hate the South Americans that end up in Mexico. They don’t want them in their country.

But I am a racist. Lol

I've heard the same stories from hard working Mexicans that have families back in Mexico. Between these invaders and the danger of the cartel, Mexico suffers.

 

[500bbc]

No welshing cum guzzlet

Hey 500, I hear you tend to Welch on your bets, so no bet between me and you. Anybody else with a little integrity want a shot at my money?

no welshing cumguzzler, just wont indulge some freaks sick fantasy on a silly bet.
I paid my debt to a real charity, not an abattoir.

Fucking Moron

 

[500bbc]

You rewu

The only person who ever welched on a bet in the P&G is 500BBC.

To the best of my knowledge, everyone else has always paid as specifically agreed in the bet.

You demanded I kill a baby to satisfy your sick fantasy, I paid my bet to a real charity recommended by others here.

You're a twisted fucking mental patient filled with nothing but hate and jealousy for normal people, pork chop boy.

 

[RVR SWPR]

Predicting and wagering on the failures of others is nothing more than futile failure of that bookmaker.
Think about it,for the past 3 years IF GMAC could have placed a wager on any or for that matter all of his issues in this forum he would not have 1 winning ticket.

 

[Old Texan]

You rewu

You demanded I kill a baby to satisfy your sick fantasy, I paid my bet to a real charity recommended by others here.

You're a twisted fucking mental patient filled with nothing but hate and jealousy for normal people, pork chop boy.

Ahhhhh, "The rest of the story". Typical how he portrays things to fit his own blather.

 

[530RL]

Ahhhhh, "The rest of the story". Typical how he portrays things to fit his own blather.

He lost the bet where loser pays to the charity of winners choice.

I chose planned parenthood where birth control is provided for free so there can be much less abortions.

500 welched on the bet period. He was dishonorable and did not pay the bet. If he had a problem with a specific charity he should have stated that when the bet was made.

The bet remains unpaid.

Those are the facts.

 

[saucedaddy]

SOP welching Trumpkin cockgobbler.
Fucking Idiot

 

[saucedaddy]

No welshing cum guzzlet
no welshing cumguzzler, just wont indulge some freaks sick fantasy on a silly bet.
I paid my debt to a real charity, not an abattoir.

Fucking Moron

No doubt about it! Your definitely a “Welsher”! Now I remember Reegie bragging about your “Welshing” skills at the 2017 Fab 5 Turkey Baste Off!

 

[Grandpa mac]

He lost the bet where loser pays to the charity of winners choice.

I chose planned parenthood where birth control is provided for free so there can be much less abortions.

500 welched on the bet period. He was dishonorable and did not pay the bet. If he had a problem with a specific charity he should have stated that when the bet was made.

The bet remains unpaid.

Those are the facts.

Yep, if he had moral qualms about Planned Parenthood the money should have gone directly to you instead and you could determine where it went from there. Or he could have attempted to reasonably explain that he had a genuine moral issue and politely requested that you permit him to donate to another mutually acceptable charity. To completely renege on a bet is pretty pathetic.

 

[was thatguy]

He lost the bet where loser pays to the charity of winners choice.

I chose planned parenthood where birth control is provided for free so there can be much less abortions.

500 welched on the bet period. He was dishonorable and did not pay the bet. If he had a problem with a specific charity he should have stated that when the bet was made.

The bet remains unpaid.

Those are the facts.

Strictly out of curiosity, do you donate to planned parenthood?

 

[500bbc]

He lost the bet where loser pays to the charity of winners choice.

I chose planned parenthood where birth control is provided for free so there can be much less abortions.

500 welched on the bet period. He was dishonorable and did not pay the bet. If he had a problem with a specific charity he should have stated that when the bet was made.

The bet remains unpaid.

Those are the facts.

Planned Baby Murder is not a charity asshole
We've witnessed the point of your moral compass multiple times here.

 

[530RL]

Strictly out of curiosity, do you donate to planned parenthood?

There is a direct correlation between greater access to birth control and lower total number of abortions.

And statistically, no organization is more financially efficient at delivering birth control to those without access than planned parenthood.

So logically, if one would like to see less abortions, planned parenthood is an excellent choice. So yes, I support and donate to planned parenthood.

Because less abortions is a worthy goal.

But I understand that others would rather bury their head in the sand and whine about higher abortions, than address in an efficient manner the reality.

 

[530RL]

Planned Baby Murder is not a charity asshole
We've witnessed the point of your moral compass multiple times here.

If you are looking to satisfy the bet you welched on by giving to a “charity asshole” maybe you could pick out an AIDS organization we could agree on?

 

[was thatguy]

There is a direct correlation between greater access to birth control and lower total number of abortions.

And statistically, no organization is more financially efficient at delivering birth control to those without access than planned parenthood.

So logically, if one would like to see less abortions, planned parenthood is an excellent choice. So yes, I support and donate to planned parenthood.

Because less abortions is a worthy goal.

But I understand that others would rather bury their head in the sand and whine about higher abortions, than address in an efficient manner the reality.

I understand your reasoning, but are they not also a leader in performing actual abortions?
Selling baby parts, etc?
I am asking for real, I don’t know if they are.

But it would seem inconsistent to support one part of their mission while ignoring the other part of their mission?
I do not debate their supplying of birth control, but all the interactions I’ve ever been aware of with them through friends and relatives have EXCLUSIVELY been for abortions.
No wife or girlfriend of mine my entire life has ever had an abortion, but many (too many) friends and family have. That’s been my only awareness and interaction with planned parenthood.
School councilors can give out condoms to my knowledge, I’ve personally never known anyone that went to planned parenthood for anything before being pregnant. While they certainly do provide methods of birth control, that seems to be in reality a very small part of their function.
I believe that you donate to them, but I also believe that you have an entire portfolio of charities out of financial prudence.

I also think it’s inconsistent for you to imply that you support planned parenthood as a provider of birth control for otherwise irresponsible people, one of your biggest pet peeves is government/ outside responsibility and care for otherwise irresponsible people.

How do you reconcile this?

 

[SNiC Jet]

And statistically, no organization is more financially efficient at delivering birth control to those without access than planned parenthood.

Fact is Margaret Sanger founded the U.S. Planned Parenthood for the purpose of exterminating the unborn and to totally eliminate Black Americans..... I will never understand how any American knowing these facts could ever support such an organization that was founded on these principles.

"We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population..."
-- Letter to Dr. Clarence J. Gamble, December 10, 1939, p. 2

“I accepted an invitation to talk to the women's branch of the Ku Klux Klan... I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak...In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered.”
-- Margaret Sanger, An Autobiography, published in 1938, p. 366

"The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."
-- Woman and the New Race, Chapter 5, "The Wickedness of Creating Large Families." (1920)

 

[was thatguy]

Fact is Margaret Sanger founded the U.S. Planned Parenthood for the sole purpose to exterminate and totally eliminate Black Americans..... I will never understand how any American knowing this fact could ever support such an organization that was founded on these principles.

"We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population..."
-- Letter to Dr. Clarence J. Gamble, December 10, 1939, p. 2

“Support” may not be completely accurate.

When you have to give X amount of dollars away every year to charitable organizations for the purpose of minimizing your tax burden and shoring up your bottom line, it’s common fare to throw out weak justification.
He doesn’t give a shit about abortions or birth control. Why would he?
I certainly wouldn’t in his shoes.

None of those things matter at his quarterly meetings.

Making 500 donate to something totally 180 degrees to his beliefs are what this is all about. That’s what the oracle is all about.
Strongarming others to impose his will.

Swear to god he is a prime candidate for clinical study.

 

[500bbc]

Fact is Margaret Sanger founded the U.S. Planned Parenthood for the sole purpose to exterminate and totally eliminate Black Americans..... I will never understand how any American knowing this fact could ever support such an organization that was founded on these principles.

"We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population..."
-- Letter to Dr. Clarence J. Gamble, December 10, 1939, p. 2

He thinks the holocaust was a charitable endevour by the Nazis.

He's a genocide lover.

 

[was thatguy]

He thinks the holocaust was a charitable endevour by the Nazis.

He's a genocide lover.

If he financially supports one part of planned parenthood, he supports all parts of planned parenthood.

Any other conclusion is realistically inconsistent.

 

[530RL]

If he financially supports one part of planned parenthood, he supports all parts of planned parenthood.

Any other conclusion is realistically inconsistent.

Lol

Following your brilliant logic, if you support Trump you support everything trump stands for, his morals, his ethics, every single thing he has done and will do. “All parts of trump”.

It’s tee ball with you.

 

[was thatguy]

Lol

Following your brilliant logic, if you support Trump you support everything trump stands for, his morals, his ethics, every single thing he has done and will do. “All parts of trump”.

It’s tee ball with you.

Ive never shied away from accepting Trumps inadequacies as a person...or as a president for that matter.
In the last 10 minutes I called him an asshole in a thread in the lounge.
I’ve posted before how his tax reform cut me deep. I accept that.

Are you as quick to confirm that, following the logic in your brilliant “tee ball” rebuttal, you do in fact support abortion via planned parenthood?
Your answer is immaterial. You’ve stepped into your own trap.

Your hubris will be your downfall. I’d be amazed if this hasn’t been pointed out to you in business.

 

[530RL]

Ive never shied away from accepting Trumps inadequacies as a person...or as a president for that matter.
In the last 10 minutes I called him an asshole in a thread in the lounge.
I’ve posted before how his tax reform cut me deep. I accept that.

Are you as quick to confirm that, following the logic in your brilliant “tee ball” rebuttal, you do in fact support abortion via planned parenthood?
Your answer is immaterial. You’ve stepped into your own trap.

Your hubris will be your downfall. I’d be amazed if this hasn’t been pointed out to you in business.

I support the constitution and the rule of law.

And the Supreme Court has ruled that abortion is consistent with the constitution and the rule of law.

But I would like to see less of it and supporting planned parenthood and the birth control they provide to those without the ability to pay for it by any logical analysis reduces abortion.

 

[was thatguy]

I support the constitution and the rule of law.

And the Supreme Court has ruled that abortion is consistent with the constitution and the rule of law.

But I would like to see less of it and supporting planned parenthood and the birth control they provide to those without the ability to pay for it by any logical analysis reduces abortion.

We will have to agree to disagree as far as their primary provision is concerned. Im not a hardcore anti-abortion person, and I completely accept the legalities of abortion.
Having said that I also do not accept that planned parenthood’s primary function is anything other than abortions. That is what they do. At least admit that much.
I don’t know if you are aware of the cost of the most effective method of birth control is, but let’s say it’s roughly the same cost as a 40 oz malt liquor...and I can assure it’s much cheaper than a decent size crack rock.

But now we are back to personal responsibility...one of your favorite drum skins.

Planned parenthood does not prevent abortions on any measurable scale. Abortions are their bread and butter.

I’m not judging your support, I’m just saying be honest, at least to yourself.

Requiring 500 to contribute to planned parenthood was, in no small part, a twist of the knife.

I qualify this because when I lost a bet to you I happily gave to my local animal rescue as per the bet.

 

[530RL]

We will have to agree to disagree as far as their primary provision is concerned. Im not a hardcore anti-abortion person, and I completely accept the legalities of abortion.
Having said that I also do not accept that planned parenthood’s primary function is anything other than abortions. That is what they do. At least admit that much.
I don’t know if you are aware of the cost of the most effective method of birth control is, but let’s say it’s roughly the same cost as a 40 oz malt liquor...and I can assure it’s much cheaper than a decent size crack rock.

But now we are back to personal responsibility...one of your favorite drum skins.

Planned parenthood does not prevent abortions on any measurable scale. Abortions are their bread and butter.

I’m not judging your support, I’m just saying be honest, at least to yourself.

Requiring 500 to contribute to planned parenthood was, in no small part, a twist of the knife.

I qualify this because when I lost a bet to you I happily gave to my local animal rescue as per the bet.

Three percent of planned parenthood’s services go to abortions.

If that is your measure of “primary provision” I guess that is just the difference in your analysis versus mine.

You’re certainly entitled to that conclusion.

And going to planned parenthood, or any place available for that matter, to get birth control services which by any measure reduces abortions is certainly to me a fundamental tenant of personal responsibility.

But we just disagree as we do on 99% of all issues.

 

[SNiC Jet]

Three percent of planned parenthood’s services go to abortions.

100% Pure Bull Shit! Source please.....

The 3 percent factoid is crafted to obscure the reality of Planned Parenthood’s business.

The group performs about 330,000 abortions a year, or roughly 30 percent of all the abortions in the country.

The 3 percent figure is derived by counting abortion as just another service like much less consequential services.

So abortion is considered a service no different than a pregnancy test (1.1 million), even though a box with two pregnancy tests can be procured from the local drugstore for less than $10.

https://nypost.com/2015/08/03/planned-parenthoods-pathetic-3-percent-lie/

 

[530RL]

100% Pure Bull Shit! Source please.....

The 3 percent factoid is crafted to obscure the reality of Planned Parenthood’s business.

The group performs about 330,000 abortions a year, or roughly 30 percent of all the abortions in the country.

The 3 percent figure is derived by counting abortion as just another service like much less consequential services.

So abortion is considered a service no different than a pregnancy test (1.1 million), even though a box with two pregnancy tests can be procured from the local drugstore for less than $10.

https://nypost.com/2015/08/03/planned-parenthoods-pathetic-3-percent-lie/

Pick the number that makes you feel good.

The fact remains that planned parenthood is the largest provider of free birth control in the nation and the indisputable fact is that birth control leads to less abortions.

Feel free to spend a billion or so of your extra money to create an organization that provides free birth control at the scale of planned parenthood limiting abortions and I will be happy to contribute to your organization limiting abortions.

Otherwise if you get rid of planned parenthood without an alternative solution, you are rationally ignoring reality and accepting greater abortions.

We can all be part of the solution or part of the problem. But if you think outlawing abortions or gutting birth control is the solution, you need to try to objectively look at the reality of human behavior.

A donation to planned parenthood by any reasonable measure reduces abortions.

500 welched on the bet and by doing so went against his alleged values as donations can be earmarked for birth control.

If he would like to donate to an alternative organization that only provides birth control I would be happy to accept that as pay for the bet he welched on.

 

[regor]

Pick the number that makes you feel good.

The fact remains that planned parenthood is the largest provider of free birth control in the nation and the indisputable fact is that birth control leads to less abortions.

Feel free to spend a billion or so of your extra money to create an organization that provides free birth control at the scale of planned parenthood limiting abortions and I will be happy to contribute to your organization limiting abortions.

Otherwise if you get rid of planned parenthood without an alternative solution, you are rationally ignoring reality and accepting greater abortions.

We can all be part of the solution or part of the problem. But if you think outlawing abortions or gutting birth control is the solution, you need to try to objectively look at the reality of human behavior.

A donation to planned parenthood by any reasonable measure reduces abortions.

500 welched on the bet and by doing so went against his alleged values as donations can be earmarked for birth control.

If he would like to donate to an alternative organization that only provides birth control I would be happy to accept that as pay for the bet he welched on.

When they stop selling baby parts to fund D policies and candidates, we can talk. Until then, you are simply a libturd supporter..........trying to be a conservative in disguise.

In other words..........a RINO!


Fucking tee ball night at the P & G.

 

[530RL]

When they stop selling baby parts to fund D policies and candidates, we can talk. Until then, you are simply a libturd supporter..........trying to be a conservative in disguise.

In other words..........a RINO!


Fucking tee ball night at the P & G.

By any fair measure you are a big government, big deficit, big spending, big national debt, anti free market supporter who believes government is the solution.

In other words a socialist.

You desperately need government to protect you from competition. Your government paid for trophy is in the mail.

 

[was thatguy]

Three percent of planned parenthood’s services go to abortions.

If that is your measure of “primary provision” I guess that is just the difference in your analysis versus mine.

You’re certainly entitled to that conclusion.

And going to planned parenthood, or any place available for that matter, to get birth control services which by any measure reduces abortions is certainly to me a fundamental tenant of personal responsibility.

But we just disagree as we do on 99% of all issues.

I disagree!

I’d say 99.9%

 

[Old Texan]

So the 3% means they do 330,000 baby kills and hand out around 11,000,000 cock rubbers and pamphlets on safe sex......Amazing how things can be justified.

 

[Old Texan]

I support the constitution and the rule of law.

So Mr Big Ass Constitutionalist, why won't you answer simple questions like the one below from other thread "Dems think you're an idiot"?

Simple questions you habitually ignore when they show your hypocrisy it seems.....

Here's the question if you'd like to refresh your memory....

So to clarify, the submission of what amounts to false information and outright lies, such as the info garnered from the Steele dossier, has no bearing on how the warrant was obtained?

If so, why even require a warrant to spy on the public? How can you accept this yet carry on about the protection of rights in the 4th and declaration by oath the information is true???????

 

[SNiC Jet]

Pick the number that makes you feel good.

The fact remains that planned parenthood is the largest provider of free birth control in the nation and the indisputable fact is that birth control leads to less abortions.

Feel free to spend a billion or so of your extra money to create an organization that provides free birth control at the scale of planned parenthood limiting abortions and I will be happy to contribute to your organization limiting abortions.

Otherwise if you get rid of planned parenthood without an alternative solution, you are rationally ignoring reality and accepting greater abortions.

We can all be part of the solution or part of the problem. But if you think outlawing abortions or gutting birth control is the solution, you need to try to objectively look at the reality of human behavior.

A donation to planned parenthood by any reasonable measure reduces abortions.

500 welched on the bet and by doing so went against his alleged values as donations can be earmarked for birth control.

If he would like to donate to an alternative organization that only provides birth control I would be happy to accept that as pay for the bet he welched on.

If this BS eases your conscious for contributing to the killing of 300K+ babies a year, good for you. Doesn't work for me....Here is Alabama we are more about taking action for our beliefs and spending less time talking about it......... You always come in here and belittle members for not taking action for their conservative beliefs....... throwing money at PP only continues the slaughter and is certainly not in the best interest of the children. You may say, you do it for the mothers.....IMO, if a mother has never beared a child, she is clueless as to what she is actually sacrificing, nor does she understand the total repercussions of her actions.....and that is where we fail her...... your giving money to PP to kill her child only allows this mind set to thrive.
FWIW, a google search found numerous facilities in Phoenix, AZ that offer free birth control, w/o the killing of children.

 

[was thatguy]

As far as I know, one can not earmark a contribution to specifics within a charity. In other words, he can’t tell them to only spend his money on free rubbers.

If he accepts the notion that his contribution does more good than harm, then that is fully his business and his right to decide.
BUT...it also invalidates any judgment he may render concerning the lack of moral or belief structure “consistency” from others.
It is, in fact, the pinnacle of inconsistency and “flexible” morals.
Most of us here will admit to the same thing.
I have to overlook Trumps moral inadequacies in order to support him.
What the Oracle is incapable of is admitting that he has to do the same.
Instead, to reconcile his own inconsistencies, he has to transfer it to others to maintain his station.

It’s quite fascinating to observe.

 

[regor]

By any fair measure you are a big government, big deficit, big spending, big national debt, anti free market supporter who believes government is the solution.

In other words a socialist.

You desperately need government to protect you from competition. Your government paid for trophy is in the mail.

Nah, I just hate two-faced whores who enrich Commies.

Suck that Xi bear

 

[530RL]

So Mr Big Ass Constitutionalist, why won't you answer simple questions like the one below from other thread "Dems think you're an idiot"?

Simple questions you habitually ignore when they show your hypocrisy it seems.....

Here's the question if you'd like to refresh your memory....

So to clarify, the submission of what amounts to false information and outright lies, such as the info garnered from the Steele dossier, has no bearing on how the warrant was obtained?

If so, why even require a warrant to spy on the public? How can you accept this yet carry on about the protection of rights in the 4th and declaration by oath the information is true???????

LOL, you have a hard time arguing principles and philosophies without personal attacks.

To your hypothetical question, knowingly submitting false information may in itself be subject to civil or criminal liability, but to the extent the warrant would have been obtained absent the submission of false information, the warrant remains valid.

 

[regor]

LOL, you have a hard time arguing principles and philosophies without personal attacks.

To your hypothetical question, knowingly submitting false information may in itself be subject to civil or criminal liability, but to the extent the warrant would have been obtained absent the submission of false information, the warrant remains valid.

Spoken like a good little Deep State RINO.

 

[Old Texan]

LOL, you have a hard time arguing principles and philosophies without personal attacks.

To your hypothetical question, knowingly submitting false information may in itself be subject to civil or criminal liability, but to the extent the warrant would have been obtained absent the submission of false information, the warrant remains valid.

Personal attacks? With all due respect, just calling it like I see it on how you come across to others. Pretty simple.

As far as your answer to the question, you're saying it's all right to break the intent of the 4th to get the warrant. So why even bother with the warrant if the means of obtaining it are not subject to criminal intent?

The 4th is pretty damned clear.....

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

If a warrant was required to tap Trump's offices, than that warrant needed to be lawfully obtained and if fraudulent info was used to obtain it, it should be invalid and those who submitted the fraudulent info should be charged. Explain how that fits into your explanation.

 

[530RL]

Personal attacks? With all due respect, just calling it like I see it on how you come across to others. Pretty simple.

As far as your answer to the question, you're saying it's all right to break the intent of the 4th to get the warrant. So why even bother with the warrant if the means of obtaining it are not subject to criminal intent?

The 4th is pretty damned clear.....

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

If a warrant was required to tap Trump's offices, than that warrant needed to be lawfully obtained and if fraudulent info was used to obtain it, it should be invalid and those who submitted the fraudulent info should be charged. Explain how that fits into your explanation.

That is just what the law is and how the Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled.

And that is why I believe the FISA warrants will ultimately be found to be validly obtained consistent with the law.

And to the extent you don’t think the Supreme Court should have ruled that way, you need to work hard to help the ACLU, liberals and liberal candidates for President for it is the liberals on the court who most closely align with your view. You need to help make sure frozen Ginsburg is never discovered to be actually dead. For more Trump appointed judge's mean more frustration for your 4th amendment beliefs.

 

[brgrcru]

If this BS eases your conscious for contributing to the killing of 300K+ babies a year, good for you. Doesn't work for me....Here is Alabama we are more about taking action for our beliefs and spending less time talking about it......... You always come in here and belittle members for not taking action for their conservative beliefs....... throwing money at PP only continues the slaughter and is certainly not in the best interest of the children. You may say, you do it for the mothers.....IMO, if a mother has never beared a child, she is clueless as to what she is actually sacrificing, nor does she understand the total repercussions of her actions.....and that is where we fail her...... your giving money to PP to kill her child only allows this mind set to thrive.
FWIW, a google search found numerous facilities in Phoenix, AZ that offer free birth control, w/o the killing of children.

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Pick the number that makes you feel good.

The fact remains that planned parenthood is the largest provider of free birth control in the nation and the indisputable fact is that birth control leads to less abortions.

Feel free to spend a billion or so of your extra money to create an organization that provides free birth control at the scale of planned parenthood limiting abortions and I will be happy to contribute to your organization limiting abortions.

Otherwise if you get rid of planned parenthood without an alternative solution, you are rationally ignoring reality and accepting greater abortions.

We can all be part of the solution or part of the problem. But if you think outlawing abortions or gutting birth control is the solution, you need to try to objectively look at the reality of human behavior.

A donation to planned parenthood by any reasonable measure reduces abortions.

500 welched on the bet and by doing so went against his alleged values as donations can be earmarked for birth control.

If he would like to donate to an alternative organization that only provides birth control I would be happy to accept that as pay for the bet he welched on.

can you please explain to me, anything that planned parenthood is about, is free?

 

[94Nautique]

There is a direct correlation between greater access to birth control and lower total number of abortions.

And statistically, no organization is more financially efficient at delivering birth control to those without access than planned parenthood.

So logically, if one would like to see less abortions, planned parenthood is an excellent choice. So yes, I support and donate to planned parenthood.

Because less abortions is a worthy goal.

But I understand that others would rather bury their head in the sand and whine about higher abortions, than address in an efficient manner the reality.

Correlation without causation is called democrat "science with emotion" if ya get my drift. Sad, that millions of people have used abortion as birth control, but you are ok with that. Those of us that have heard the heartbeat of a child in the womb are way less likely to kill.

 

[was thatguy]

So the 3% means they do 330,000 baby kills and hand out around 11,000,000 cock rubbers and pamphlets on safe sex......Amazing how things can be justified.

I wonder who has the printing contract for those pamphlets?

In line with your analogy of justification, look no farther than the Dem mecca of Chicago.

Chicago is usually not even ranked in the top ten cities for homicide RATE.
Yet 600 or so bodies is a WAY bigger pile than most top ranked cities like St Louis, Baltimore and Detroit.
“Ranked 15th in murder rate” sounds better for Chicago than “600 plus dead”

So looking at the planned parenthood abortion factory by calling the vacuumed, sliced up babies as “3%” dehumanizes the dead. It sounds better than 330,000 infant corpses, and lets him sleep at night believing 3% of his contribution probably only equals a few dead infants as compared to cases of pamphlets and rubbers.
But what do we know. We have kids and empathy.

 

[Grandpa mac]

I wonder who has the printing contract for those pamphlets?

In line with your analogy of justification, look no farther than the Dem mecca of Chicago.

Chicago is usually not even ranked in the top ten cities for homicide RATE.
Yet 600 or so bodies is a WAY bigger pile than most top ranked cities like St Louis, Baltimore and Detroit.
“Ranked 15th in murder rate” sounds better for Chicago than “600 plus dead”

So looking at the planned parenthood abortion factory by calling the vacuumed, sliced up babies as “3%” dehumanizes the dead. It sounds better than 330,000 infant corpses, and lets him sleep at night believing 3% of his contribution probably only equals a few dead infants as compared to cases of pamphlets and rubbers.
But what do we know. We have kids and empathy.

And calling a 10 week old embryo with no brain activity an “infant” also distorts perceptions.

 

[Old Texan]

And calling a 10 week old embryo with no brain activity an “infant” also distorts perceptions.

Again, amazing how things can be justified......

 

[SNiC Jet]

Why is bacteria considered life on Mars, but a heartbeat is not considered life on earth?

 

[was thatguy]

Why is bacteria considered life on Mars, but a heartbeat is not considered life on earth?

Money

 

[was thatguy]

And calling a 10 week old embryo with no brain activity an “infant” also distorts perceptions.

“Embryo” (Children of the Grave)
Black Sabbath

 

[530RL]

Why is bacteria considered life on Mars, but a heartbeat is not considered life on earth?

You need to outlaw this murderer. After all, he takes away “life”, or at least 99.9% of it.....

 

[was thatguy]

You need to outlaw this murderer. After all, he takes away “life”, or at least 99.9% of it.....


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I would have assumed you own stock in it...

 

[SNiC Jet]

You need to outlaw this murderer. After all, he takes away “life”, or at least 99.9% of it.....


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If bacteria had a soul.....I would be all for it!

 

[Grandpa mac]

An embryo is certainly living tissue, but is it “human”? When brain activity ceases in an adult, we call them brain dead and take them off life support. I’m saying that BEFORE brain activity begins in a human, the mother whose body is that life support has the right to make the same decision. You apparently believe that from the moment a sperm hits an egg cell resulting in a single fertilized egg that it is a human.

What do you call those things wou add ham and cheese to to make an omelet? Chickens? Or are they just eggs?

Why is bacteria considered life on Mars, but a heartbeat is not considered life on earth?