TRUMP: why do so many hate him?

[Angler]

So giving pallets of cash to a country that repeatedly declares death to America is good?

Allowing our intellectual property to be stolen and the destruction of our manufacturing sector all in the name of greed is good?

Making up lies to start a war that enriches the the elite and their war machine companies is good?

I don’t recall you crying about those.

The pretzel crew..

 

[Old Texan]

What is being ignored is members of the D party started talking impeachment from day one of Trump's first term. The whole Mueller debacle was based on finding dirt to use. Over and over we've heard the I word. The dirt is not there, and yet they continue to claim it's just a shovel full away.

Even now they are planning to grill Bolton over what he claims in his book to keep this current hunt alive. The comment on he should have cleaned house doesn't take into account the uproar when he got rid of Comey. The D's hit the roof on that one showing cleaning house was just more resistance and distraction. Never has a POTUS entered office to more discord and continuous attacks on his every move.

All the Constitutional blather is comical at best, as it is just more conjecture and attempt at building a case towards something that is not there.

Trump was elected for one reason, the DC establishment had taken over and the citizenry was fed up with nothing being done to end the fraud, graft, and cronyism. It is now completely clear that McCain and Romney both gave their chances at election away. Neither put up a fight and allowed Obama to win big. Clinton stepped aside and then was given her turn. The fraud to allow her to gain the nomination is clearly evident as the Bern was easily paid off to STFU about it. If one can't see the whole of the deal, they're blind or agree with the progressive/socialist takeover threat.

Trump won the nomination over a large group[ to the chagrin of the RNC and Establishment simple because the citizens flat had enough. And the whole of the D plan was out in the open as HRC lost and could not cover up the crimes committed getting her on the ballot.

Impeachment was their only hope and now that has failed. The nation has been awakened and from here on out, let's hope justice can finally be served and the swamp sanitized and the Republic saved. Like him or hate him, Donald Trump is proving to be the only man that can/could save America. Because he knows what it takes to win and shows it daily with actions.....

 

[mash on it]

If you like Trump, he's doing his job.
Likewise,
If you hate Trump, he's doing his job.

MAGA.

Dan'l

 

[rivermobster]

I’m stating my belief and the belief of several republican senators and all democratic senators which is that Trump used his political office for personal gain.

To be fair those republican senators that came to that conclusion with the exception of Romney stated he did such activity but it did not rise to the penalty of removal from office. And some R’s agree with you that Trump did nothing wrong at all.

Consistent with my above belief and statement regarding Trump is that I believe Biden used his political office for personal gain.

I understand many also believe on both side that neither Trump nor Biden did anything wrong depending upon where they sit.

My conclusion is different. They both violated the oath of their office. Not a statutory violation of law but a constitutional violation of law. They taught us such mental gymnastics in my constitutional law classes I took in college.

But as I said before. I respect that others can come to the conclusion that Trump’s activities are good and Biden’s bad. And I respect those that come to the opposite conclusion.

That is why we all get a vote in November.

I have a question...

What Personal gain would someone like Trump be interested in?

The guy already has more money than God, and an awesome wife.

What did he want for himself that he didn't already have?

Serious question. Thanks.

 

[rivrrts429]

I have a question...

What Personal gain would someone like Trump be interested in?

The guy already has more money than God, and an awesome wife.

What did he want for himself that he didn't already have?

Serious question. Thanks.

Not monetary gain, political.

 

[Wizard29]

The only thing I have learned from you so far, is that if you can't provide an answer to a question, you provide insults.

Nice teaching style! It is impressive.

And he would be happy to sell you some Hot Sauce. Will you or anybody else here buy from him?

 

[Racey]

Not monetary gain, political.

It's a preposterous argument anyway, because anything positive the President does creates a political gain.....

Why are none of the democrats asking these same questions of Obama's investigation into Trump which was soley for political gain? They found no crimes with Trump or the campaign, and in fact the IG found the investigation to be based on completely false and malfeasant ground to begin with.

Look at how many dozens of hours of testimony were taken over a 5 minute meeting that Don Jr had with some Russian lady in Trump tower... But Trump can't even ask about Biden's kid getting Millions of dollars from a foreign company in an industry he has no experience in? in a country he doesn't even speak the language of?

The idea that being a rival to the incumbent makes you immune from scrutiny is beyond laughable. That certainly wasn't extended to Trump with investigations done against him.

Trump never said to secretly investigate Biden, nor to break laws to do so. He simply raised the question that there was clearly some very questionable dealings between Burisma and the Bidens, at the very least on the surface, and certainly enough to raise with the proper law enforcement channels. He ran on that very platform...

 

[rmarion]

I have a question...

What Personal gain would someone like Trump be interested in?

The guy already has more money than God, and an awesome wife.

What did he want for himself that he didn't already have?

Serious question. Thanks.

IMO
Trump ran for POTUS for exposure ONLY... get him relevant in the news etc...
be the talk of the Town.. etc..
he knew that he would NEVER WIN the election.....

then SHIT HAPPENED....

wakes up and finds out hes the POTUS...
says F!!!!!
then says LET'S DO THIS!!!

IMO

 

[rivermobster]

Not monetary gain, political.

I'm not trying to start shit...

I'm just curious why @530RL specifically mentioned personal gain.

Doesn't make sense to me since Trump has pretty much everything anyone could want!?!

What am I missing here??

 

[530RL]

I'm not trying to start shit...

I'm just curious why @530RL specifically mentioned personal gain.

Doesn't make sense to me since Trump has pretty much everything anyone could want!?!

What am I missing here??

Personal gain comes in many forms other than monetary forms.

 

[brgrcru]

I'm not trying to start shit...

I'm just curious why @530RL specifically mentioned personal gain.

Doesn't make sense to me since Trump has pretty much everything anyone could want!?!

What am I missing here??

a big jar of mustard !! to go with that pretzel.

 

[YumaRivernaut]

Personal gain comes in many forms other than monetary forms.

So, just a thinly veiled way of saying that he's fat or what?

 

[rivermobster]

Personal gain comes in many forms other than monetary forms.

Absolutely...

So what did he gain, that affected him personally?

 

[regor]

Keep mobbing, it will start smoking.................

 

[530RL]

Absolutely...

So what did he gain, that affected him personally?

He used the power of his office, to ask a foreign leader to help his personal attorney investigate a political rival which was for his personal gain.

He used the power of his office and instructed US Government personnel to aid him in this activity for personal gain.

See post 144.

 

[Bobby V]

Absolutely...

So what did he gain, that affected him personally?

Trump's frequent visits to Mar-a-Lago, other Trump-branded golf courses and his hotel in Washington, D.C., have been criticized as serving as taxpayer-funded advertising for his business interests.

 

[regor]

He used the power of his office, to ask a foreign leader to help his personal attorney investigate a political rival which was for his personal gain.

He used the power of his office and instructed US Government personnel to aid him in this activity for personal gain.

See post 144.

 

[rivermobster]

He used the power of his office, to ask a foreign leader to help his personal attorney investigate a political rival which was for his personal gain.

He used the power of his office and instructed US Government personnel to aid him in this activity for personal gain.

See post 144.

It is not appropriate for the President, a political leader, to engage his private attorney to undertake such Law enforcement investigations, let alone doing so under the threat of withholding lawfully approved aid even if the aid eventually flowed after a delay.

So this?

I get that you feel it was inappropriate, but was it actually illegal?

 

[SNiC Jet]

Trump's frequent visits to Mar-a-Lago, other Trump-branded golf courses and his hotel in Washington, D.C., have been criticized as serving as taxpayer-funded advertising for his business interests.

Yeah, he is a real bastard isn't he?
Y'all should impeach him again.

 

[regor]

Trump's frequent visits to Mar-a-Lago, other Trump-branded golf courses and his hotel in Washington, D.C., have been criticized as serving as taxpayer-funded advertising for his business interests.

Quite possibly the dumbest post ever made in the dungeon.

YOU CAN'T GO HOME!!!!!!!!!!

 

[rivermobster]

Trump's frequent visits to Mar-a-Lago, other Trump-branded golf courses and his hotel in Washington, D.C., have been criticized as serving as taxpayer-funded advertising for his business interests.

Even a dumb ass like me knows that doesn't make any sense...

He's the last guy that needs to spend money on advertising. Just about everyone on this Earth knows who DJ Trump is. And if you don't know who he is, you're probably not going to be using any of his business interests!

Right?

 

[Angler]

Trump's frequent visits to Mar-a-Lago, other Trump-branded golf courses and his hotel in Washington, D.C., have been criticized as serving as taxpayer-funded advertising for his business interests.

Come on Bobby, you can do better than Mar-a-Lago. You do know that is his actual permanent residence now?

 

[Bobby V]

Even a dumb ass like me.

Sorry Joe. I don't think you are a dumb ass.

Who chased off OC Merrill and Yopengo. Haven't heard from them in a while.

 

[530RL]

It is not appropriate for the President, a political leader, to engage his private attorney to undertake such Law enforcement investigations, let alone doing so under the threat of withholding lawfully approved aid even if the aid eventually flowed after a delay.

So this?

I get that you feel it was inappropriate, but was it actually illegal?

One can certainly argue that it is illegal and one can certainly argue that it is a violation of the President's oath of office.

But clearly only one Republican thought it rose to the level of impeachment. Impeachment does not require a "crime" or something to be "illegal" as there were no criminal statutes when the relevant impeachment methodology was put into the Constitution.

But to the point of the thread, I don't hate Trump, I disagree with his policies as they are antithetical to my conservative beliefs. So it is rational that I would not support someone whose actual implemented actions, policies and beliefs are opposite of mine.

 

[rivermobster]

Sorry Joe. I don't think you are a dumb ass.

Who chased off OC Merrill and Yopengo. Haven't heard from them in a while.

OC just bought a new truck, and a new to him boat. He flat out wore the last one out!

John is selling boats and doing well. I should call him. We haven't talked in a couple of months!

 

[rivermobster]

One can certainly argue that it is illegal and one can certainly argue that it is a violation of the President's oath of office.

But clearly only one Republican thought it rose to the level of impeachment. Impeachment does not require a "crime" or something to be "illegal" as there were no criminal statutes when the Constitution and the relevant impeachment methodology was put into the Constitution.

But to the point of the thread, I don't hate Trump, I disagree with his policies as they are antithetical to my conservative beliefs. So it is rational that I would not support someone whose actual implemented actions, policies and beliefs are opposite of mine.

I'm not asking what is arguable...

I'm just asking what's black and white?

 

[SNiC Jet]

I'm just asking what's black and white?

Acquitted.

 

[regor]

 

[SNiC Jet]

 

[530RL]

I'm not asking what is arguable...

I'm just asking what's black and white?

Not according to some.....

 

[Sandlord]

Trump's frequent visits to Mar-a-Lago, other Trump-branded golf courses and his hotel in Washington, D.C., have been criticized as serving as taxpayer-funded advertising for his business interests.

Now that you mention it, I never even thought of visiting Kenya until...

 

[SNiC Jet]

 

[rivermobster]

Not according to some.....

Again, I'm not asking for arguments or opinions...

What's the black and white here? Did he do something clearly against the law, or not?

 

[94Nautique]

Like

Personal gain comes in many forms other than monetary forms.

the form of a pretzel. lmao

 

[regor]

And to think, the butt hurt resistance bitches thought the President needed help in defeating a political rival who admitted to bribery on camera.

I'm not bullshitting about TDS, it's real!!!!

 

[squeezer]

Acquitted.

OJ was Acquitted...

 

[530RL]

Again, I'm not asking for arguments or opinions...

What's the black and white here? Did he do something clearly against the law, or not?

I don't know what to tell you Joe.

Your two sentences are incongruent....

Any conclusion of a violation of a law is an opinion. Whether it be by the bench or by a jury. It is still an opinion based upon the facts presented to the decision maker/makers.

That's why OJ is still looking for the killer on the golf course.........

 

[SNiC Jet]

OJ was Acquitted...

 

[regor]

OJ was Acquitted...

Were the prosecutors butthurt monkeys also?

 

[Old Texan]

Again, I'm not asking for arguments or opinions...

What's the black and white here? Did he do something clearly against the law, or not?

You're getting the personal "opinion" of a self proclaimed constitutional expert. The actual "answer" was given in the Senate portion by a documented constitutional legal expert.

Easy to figure out which carried the day when it counted.

 

[rivermobster]

I don't know what to tell you Joe.

Your two sentences are incongruent....

Any conclusion of a violation of a law is an opinion. Whether it be by the bench or by a jury. It is still an opinion based upon the facts presented to the decision maker/makers.

That's why OJ is still looking for the killer on the golf course.........

That doesn't make sense to me...

With OJ, no one Knows if he did or didn't do it. There were no witnesses to what happened.

In this case, someone said they saw or heard Trump do this or that, so we DO have witnesses to what happened.

Or...

If I go with what RD said, no witnesses ever testified? If that IS the case, I get what you are saying.

 

[wzuber]

I'm sorry but I don't understand. Are you saying Trump used his position as president for him or his son to gain financially? Are you saying he then withheld aid to stifle an investigation into such ill-gotten gains?

He's blathering out his ass as usual....yore wasting your time talking to the proselytizing pretzel pronoun. He just talks in circles all day.

 

[530RL]

That doesn't make sense to me...

With OJ, no one Knows if he did or didn't do it. There were no witnesses to what happened.

In this case, someone said they saw or heard Trump do this or that, so we DO have witnesses to what happened.

Or...

If I go with what RD said, no witnesses ever testified? If that IS the case, I get what you are saying.

Even if both sides agree on the facts, and there are witnesses, the conclusion of legality or not, is still an opinion.

That’s why we have a multi-layered appellate system where each layer may or may not come to a different “opinion” as to legality even with the exact same witnesses and facts. It is why they are called appellate “opinions” and then if that opinion gets taken up higher, you get a Supreme Court opinion affirming or denying the previous opinion. But still an opinion and another one with typically different reasoning at that.

It is also why the Supreme Court sometimes rules just like the senate did, in a partisan fashion with a 5-4 result. And why sometimes past opinions get overturned. They are just opinions and it is very rarely black and white.

You get to come to your own conclusion on whether Trump did or did not violate his oath, his constitutional duty, constitutional law or criminal law. In essence if what he did was legal or not. And your opinion is just as valid and just as correct as anyone else’s. For if appellate courts and the supreme courts can rarely agree on legality in their opinions, it seems like most Americans should be afforded the same latitude.

 

[Old Texan]

And Biden walks free and is actually running for President after openly bragging about that 2 things Trump was merely accused of doing. If a minute portion of the effort used on Trump was used on Biden, this whole sham would have never taken place........

The double standard between the 2parties is horrible

 

[GRADS]

16 years of winning here! Cmon bitterman just enjoy your Messiah cuz once a D takes over again, it will be Armageddon, and if it's Bern or Liz, you better stock up on KY!
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Great post!

 

[Carlson-jet]

Many are told nightly to hate him.
Media Trump Hatred Shows In 92% Negative Coverage Of His Presidency.
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/media-trump-hatred-coverage/

I know this has been posted before..

 

[regor]

Great post!

 

[GRADS]

Can't help but wonder how Monica Lewinsky is doing these days.

Probably remembering how she was called to testify for the Senate.

 

[rivermobster]

Probably remembering how she was called to testify for the Senate.

Lol!

 

[rivermobster]

Even if both sides agree on the facts, and there are witnesses, the conclusion of legality or not, is still an opinion.

That’s why we have a multi-layered appellate system where each layer may or may not come to a different “opinion” as to legality even with the exact same witnesses and facts. It is why they are called appellate “opinions” and then if that opinion gets taken up higher, you get a Supreme Court opinion affirming or denying the previous opinion. But still an opinion and another one with typically different reasoning at that.

It is also why the Supreme Court sometimes rules just like the senate did, in a partisan fashion with a 5-4 result. And why sometimes past opinions get overturned. They are just opinions and it is very rarely black and white.

You get to come to your own conclusion on whether Trump did or did not violate his oath, his constitutional duty, constitutional law or criminal law. In essence if what he did was legal or not. And your opinion is just as valid and just as correct as anyone else’s. For if appellate courts and the supreme courts can rarely agree on legality in their opinions, it seems like most Americans should be afforded the same latitude.

Gotcha. Thanks for writing all that!