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Lol that’s funny.
So it wasn’t the McFlakes that couldn’t legislate proper immigration policy that wouldn’t have gave the illegals in that op ed piece a chance to become a citizen and vote for the freebies that most of them want from the democrats. Also it’s not the influx of liberals from CA and New Mexico that come here escaping what they voted in those liberal states and voting the same here. It’s all orange man turning AZ blue. 😂😂😂😂
 

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Well, what do you expect? “It certainly is a great way to begin a conversation with a Latino family,” said Edder Díaz-Martínez, a 29-year-old organizer who was brought into the country illegally from Mexico when he was 5 and is currently protected under a program started by former President Barack Obama.
You guys deserve to reap what you sow with the runaway train immigration polices. Unfortunately we have similar problems with our liberal government ;)

530, I'll be 73 this May and sadly, I must say, I don't give a fiddler's farth anymore what Canada turns into.:( I've seen it all through my own eyes what socialism and communism is all about, before I managed to escape from my old country. The feeling of relief and smell of freedom is an overwhelming one I've experienced when I got to Triest Italy, I never will forget. Arriving in Canada, feeling was similar, like breathing fresh air, but sadly it started to fizzle out slowly after we had the NDP government in power. The NDP in British Columbia, has been three times in the row in power. BC was always a conservative province , no more. Our millenials haven't got a clue about politics or business period, hence we have a prime minister that's left leaning with his liberal and apologetic demeanor. If you follow the news about what's going on in Canada's business climate and protests, it's pretty alarming. Warren Buffet just pulled out of a Billions of dollar contract in East Canada because of unfavorable climates we have across the nation.
So, we have as well reap what we sow with our present liberal government.
 
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Well, what do you expect? “It certainly is a great way to begin a conversation with a Latino family,” said Edder Díaz-Martínez, a 29-year-old organizer who was brought into the country illegally from Mexico when he was 5 and is currently protected under a program started by former President Barack Obama.
You guys deserve to reap what you sow with the runaway train immigration polices. Unfortunately we have similar problems with our liberal government ;)

Zing.

@530RL It seems your support of lawmakers picking immigration winners and losers for a generation is now unfortunately turning your state blue in the face of actually enforcing immigration policy. Those same lawmakers you support were in favor of bigger governments and more spending to account for, protect, and give entitlements to those people who should not have been here in the first place. This is antithetical to true conservative principles which you claim to unwaveringly support.

Welcome yourself to Trumpkinism.
 

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Zing.

@530RL It seems your support of lawmakers picking immigration winners and losers for a generation are now unfortunately turning your state blue. Those same lawmakers you support were in favor of bigger governments and more spending to account for, protect, and give entitlements to those people who should not have been here in the first place. This is antithetical to true conservative principles which I support.

Welcome yourself to Trumpkinism.
😜😂😂
 

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Well, what do you expect? “It certainly is a great way to begin a conversation with a Latino family,” said Edder Díaz-Martínez, a 29-year-old organizer who was brought into the country illegally from Mexico when he was 5 and is currently protected under a program started by former President Barack Obama.
You guys deserve to reap what you sow with the runaway train immigration polices. Unfortunately we have similar problems with our liberal government ;)

530, I'll be 73 this May and sadly, I must say, I don't give a fiddler's farth anymore what Canada turns into.:( I've seen it all through my own eyes what socialism and communism is all about, before I managed to escape from my old country. The feeling of relief and smell of freedom is an overwhelming one I've experienced when I got to Triest Italy, I never will forget. Arriving in Canada, feeling was similar, like breathing fresh air, but sadly it started to fizzle out slowly after we had the NDP government in power. The NDP in British Columbia, has been three times in the row in power. BC was always a conservative province , no more. Our millenials haven't got a clue about politics or business period, hence we have a prime minister that's left leaning with his liberal and apologetic demeanor. If you follow the news about what's going on in Canada's business climate and protests, it's pretty alarming. Warren Buffet just pulled out of a Billions of dollar contract in East Canada because of unfavorable climates we have across the nation.
So, we have as well reap what we sow with our present liberal government.


I agree with your premise which is why I oppose Trump.

Bigger government and more spending is his mantra. The objective factual numbers bear it out.

Until Trump is gone, the R party under his leadership will unfortunately bankrupt this Country and give Conservatives no other option than to stay home as opposed to vote for one of the two choices of profligate fiscal and big government liberals that will be on the ballot this November. He turned the House and Arizona blue in 2018 and I fear he will turn the nation even more blue in 2020 when state legislatures are elected and will gerrymander for even more Trump like expansion of fiscal largesse.

As WTG said, the nation is at a fork in the road, bigger government and less freedom under Trump/Biden, or clean the R party of these supporters of a Faux Patriot.
 

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I agree with your premise which is why I oppose Trump.

Bigger government and more spending is his mantra. The objective factual numbers bear it out.
Once again, lol
Until Trump is gone, the R party under his leadership will unfortunately bankrupt this Country and give Conservatives no other option than to stay home as opposed to vote for one of the two choices of profligate fiscal and big government liberals that will be on the ballot this November. He turned the House and Arizona blue in 2018 and I fear he will turn the nation even more blue in 2020 when state legislatures are elected and will gerrymander for even more Trump like expansion of fiscal largesse.

As WTG said, the nation is at a fork in the road, bigger government and less freedom under Trump/Biden, or clean the R party of these supporters of a Faux Patriot.
 

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I agree with your premise which is why I oppose Trump.

Bigger government and more spending is his mantra. The objective factual numbers bear it out.

Until Trump is gone, the R party under his leadership will unfortunately bankrupt this Country and give Conservatives no other option than to stay home as opposed to vote for one of the two choices of profligate fiscal and big government liberals that will be on the ballot this November. He turned the House and Arizona blue in 2018 and I fear he will turn the nation even more blue in 2020 when state legislatures are elected and will gerrymander for even more Trump like expansion of fiscal largesse.

As WTG said, the nation is at a fork in the road, bigger government and less freedom under Trump/Biden, or clean the R party of these supporters of a Faux Patriot.

And replace with WHOM??!!??
We keep asking, you keep not answering.
WHO is the answer? What do you have?
C’mon ...tell us what to do besides hate Trump!!??
 

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I agree with your premise which is why I oppose Trump.

Bigger government and more spending is his mantra. The objective factual numbers bear it out.

Until Trump is gone, the R party under his leadership will unfortunately bankrupt this Country and give Conservatives no other option than to stay home as opposed to vote for one of the two choices of profligate fiscal and big government liberals that will be on the ballot this November. He turned the House and Arizona blue in 2018 and I fear he will turn the nation even more blue in 2020 when state legislatures are elected and will gerrymander for even more Trump like expansion of fiscal largesse.

As WTG said, the nation is at a fork in the road, bigger government and less freedom under Trump/Biden, or clean the R party of these supporters of a Faux Patriot.

That's exactly what happened here under NDP socialist regime since the Dave Barrett government came in power. Number of government agencies and workforce [ pencil pusher bureaucrats ] numbers tenfold, leeching off taxpayers. Since 1973, we have no choice but government insurance [ ICBC ] holding monopoly on auto insurance the most expensive in the country. The NDP never had the right people with business sense and experience to make the right decisions, period. :rolleyes:
 

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Trumps fault..... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAahAhAHAHAHAAhhahhahahhhAaAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Not Flake's, Not McCain's, Who were there for decades prior and let everything get out of hand....

Real conservatives, One who blocked the disaster of Obamacare from being dissolved. The other who's last act was to introduce a carbon tax bill in the senate...

Inability to take responsibility for their own actions, and have to blame Trump for anything that doesn't go their way.

HONK HONK.
 

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Biden or Bernie? That is YORE democraps best choices.. Tell us who will do better than Trump..

530 always whines, never has he gave a solution to anything that he bitches about. Just Orange Man Bad..
 

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I agree with your premise which is why I oppose Trump.

Bigger government and more spending is his mantra. The objective factual numbers bear it out.

Until Trump is gone, the R party under his leadership will unfortunately bankrupt this Country and give Conservatives no other option than to stay home as opposed to vote for one of the two choices of profligate fiscal and big government liberals that will be on the ballot this November. He turned the House and Arizona blue in 2018 and I fear he will turn the nation even more blue in 2020 when state legislatures are elected and will gerrymander for even more Trump like expansion of fiscal largesse.

As WTG said, the nation is at a fork in the road, bigger government and less freedom under Trump/Biden, or clean the R party of these supporters of a Faux Patriot.


Get yore candidate back on the stump, only he will be able to lick Trump!



Honk! Honk!
 

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Decades of career politicians selling out their constituents to line their own pockets, but everything is Trump's fault after being in public office for only a couple years....

If that doesn't say it all.....

ZERO CREDIBILITY.
 

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Decades of career politicians selling out their constituents to line their own pockets, but everything is Trump's fault after being in public office for only a couple years....

If that doesn't say it all.....

ZERO CREDIBILITY.


Almost one trillion dollars of additional ANNUAL spending in three short years is a pretty impressive feat which must make you big government supporters very excited.

Maybe some more tariffs and government subsidies to protect you from competition and capitalism should be in order.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

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its remarkable , after only a short 3 1/2 years. The sickness of TDS, has completely destroyed one mans mind.

It would seem so, but was it really that much of a chore?
I mean, when a person claims that “character” can be measured by the sum of enemies one can cultivate, and “hate” is a primary motivator in life, they’re kind of hanging by a fingernail as is.
It isn’t Trump that he loathes, it’s all of the people that won’t listen to his monotonous drivel. Like us.
 

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Since 2016 Havasu added 4,898 Republicans, 127 Dems.

Mohave co. Added 12,705 Republicans, 51 Dems.

Statewide 258,414 Republicans added for a total of 1,363,935. Democrats 311,334 added for a total of 1, 228,745.

Other 1,301, 292 an increase of 100,262, since 2016.

Source Havasu news Herald. march 4 2020.

The numbers are pretty Crazy for Havasu and Mohave Co.👍

In other words Havasu's Closed to Dems.😂
 

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Give my handlers their slave labor and profits back you motherfuckers!!!!!

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I agree with your premise which is why I oppose Trump.

Bigger government and more spending is his mantra. The objective factual numbers bear it out.

Until Trump is gone, the R party under his leadership will unfortunately bankrupt this Country and give Conservatives no other option than to stay home as opposed to vote for one of the two choices of profligate fiscal and big government liberals that will be on the ballot this November. He turned the House and Arizona blue in 2018 and I fear he will turn the nation even more blue in 2020 when state legislatures are elected and will gerrymander for even more Trump like expansion of fiscal largesse.

As WTG said, the nation is at a fork in the road, bigger government and less freedom under Trump/Biden, or clean the R party of these supporters of a Faux Patriot.

You never disappoint me, when it comes to the facts you always get them wrong. But I must commend you on your fancy writing skills. It’s all BS of coarse I’m sure you can get the uninformed people to believe you. Please carry-on I need some more amusement. Have yourself a wonderful weekend.
 

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Liberals are like little children blaming Trump because he's not saying nice things. LOL.

Actually you liberals are turning millions Red, thank you, as they see how ridiculous you all are.
 

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Maybe some more tariffs and government subsidies to protect you from competition and capitalism should be in order.

Haven't you heard.....Communism is Capitalism's arch enemy?......expecting these two to live and exist in harmony is absurd!........if left unchecked, flooding a capitalist economy with undervalued products produced in communist society "sweat shops" would continue eroding away the opportunities for American families by their intent and design....evidently, and as demonstrated by your constant whining, you support and encourage their "intent and design" that has been suppressing our economy and general welfare for decades. (please forgive me, but this is where a "fuck you" would be in proper order)

IMO, protecting the welfare of Americans is well worth the price and allowing global markets to dictate and remain unchecked is totally irresponsible. And FWIW, there are many facets to being a "Conservative" other than focusing solely on economics....and selling out the welfare of American families is NOT one of them.
 
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Haven't you heard.....Communism is Capitalism's arch enemy?......expecting these two to live and exist in harmony is absurd!........if left unchecked, flooding a capitalist economy with undervalued products produced in communist society "sweat shops" would continue eroding away the opportunities for American families by their intent and design....evidently, and as demonstrated by your constant whining, you support and encourage their "intent and design" that has been suppressing our economy and general welfare for decades. (please forgive me, but this is where a "fuck you" would be in proper order) IMO, protecting the welfare of Americans is well worth the price and allowing global markets to dictate and remain unchecked is totally irresponsible. And FWIW, there are many facets to being a "Conservative" other than focusing solely on economics....and selling out the welfare of American families is NOT one of them.

Wow!

The government needs to protect “welfare of Americans”.

Sounds like the Bern’s pitch. Healthcare is a right, a working wage is a right, a trillion more per year in government spending under Trump is conservative, and on and on.

The road to serfdom is being paved by Trump and his supporters. Amazing....

But Bernie does approve of your thoughts.

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Wow!

The government needs to protect “welfare of Americans”.

Actually, it is NOT the government as per say, but YES, it is "We the People" taking steps to protect and promote our general welfare, and President Trump is our vehicle of change, and as American's welfare is thriving, it appears to be working well..........nothing like Bernie's plans to crush the peoples welfare by totally capturing American wealth and prosperity......Apples and Oranges. A Conservative would know the differences and would work to seek solutions.

And I must say, far better and more effective than any alternatives or solutions you have offered or put on the table.
 

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Wow!

The government needs to protect “welfare of Americans”.

Sounds like the Bern’s pitch. Healthcare is a right, a working wage is a right, a trillion more per year in government spending under Trump is conservative, and on and on.

The road to serfdom is being paved by Trump and his supporters. Amazing....

But Bernie does approve of your thoughts.

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You’re irrelevant traitor.

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Why does the old phrase " doesn't know shit from shinola", keep popping into my mind. Oh. I know I'm reading 527 1/2..
 

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Actually, it is NOT the government as per say, but YES, it is "We the People" taking steps to protect and promote our general welfare, and President Trump is our vehicle of change, and as American's welfare is thriving, it appears to be working well..........nothing like Bernie's plans to crush the peoples welfare by totally capturing American wealth and prosperity......Apples and Oranges. A Conservative would know the differences and would work to seek solutions.

And I must say, far better and more effective than any alternatives or solutions you have offered or put on the table.


Your “we the people” elected a D majority to the House due to Trump and his supporters and they certainly agree with you that they are going to protect and promote the general welfare with expanded government spending and programs, all signed into law by Trump.

Let’s see what you deliver in 2020.
 

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Your “we the people” elected a D majority to the House due to Trump and his supporters and they certainly agree with you that they are going to protect and promote the general welfare with expanded government spending and programs, all signed into law by Trump.

Let’s see what you deliver in 2020.

Winning the House in 2018 wasn’t that big of a feat, especially when the media rallies for you, the President in under a fake investigation and your base is a bunch of dumb ass liberals and RINO’s.

Try again Mr. Sellout
 

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You never disappoint me, when it comes to the facts you always get them wrong. But I must commend you on your fancy writing skills. It’s all BS of coarse I’m sure you can get the uninformed people to believe you. Please carry-on I need some more amusement. Have yourself a wonderful weekend.
Whatever you do don't call him the Oracle, twists up his panties and gets sand in his vagina.
 

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Is Trump to blame for turning a state blue or is it the Democrate, media machine, pounding away every day that Trump hates latinos, is racist, & runs concentration camps along the border. Yuma rivernaut, provided videos, first hand experience, & an open invitation to see illegals on the border. Lumping all illegals as criminals is not accurate but.......they need to get into this country legally otherwise they are.......illegal!

I live in California, which president is responsible for turning Ca. blue?

IMO, Bernie is a "complete" whack job & his policies are insane. Bidens policies are like going back to Obama/ Clinton era, not interested. In addition, Biden appears to have the beginnings of Alzheimer's. I have a hard time believing this is the best the Dems have for a presidential candidate. I'm waiting for them to pull a rabbit out of the hat, a surprise of some kind......they are masters of deception, just watch Lester Holt & Chuck Todd work the flock every night.
 

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Is Trump to blame for turning a state blue or is it the Democrate, media machine, pounding away every day that Trump hates latinos, is racist, & runs concentration camps along the border. Yuma rivernaut, provided videos, first hand experience, & an open invitation to see illegals on the border. Lumping all illegals as criminals is not accurate but.......they need to get into this country legally otherwise they are.......illegal!

I live in California, which president is responsible for turning Ca. blue?

IMO, Bernie is a "complete" whack job & his policies are insane. Bidens policies are like going back to Obama/ Clinton era, not interested. In addition, Biden appears to have the beginnings of Alzheimer's. I have a hard time believing this is the best the Dems have for a presidential candidate. I'm waiting for them to pull a rabbit out of the hat, a surprise of some kind......they are masters of deception, just watch Lester Holt & Chuck Todd work the flock every night.


I cant speak for California but I can for Arizona as a person who has given to dozens of R candidates and hosted dozens of fundraisers at our home for R candidates.

The R party lost significantly in 2018 in state races and lost our federal legislative majority.

And it is clear why. What once was a Big Tent R party that encouraged a broad spectrum of conservative political views, now is a state party that makes it clear that you either agree 100% with Trump or you need to get out and get out immediately. 1% disagreement and you are not welcome and need to leave.

As a result, people are rationally voting with both their ballots and their financial support. Elections and majorities need donors and broad coalitions to survive.

So yes, Trump is clearly to blame for the fall of the R majorities in Arizona. And I am seriously worried that he is going to drive it to even worse results in 2020 especially at the state level. And the result of that given it is 2020, is the D’s will be able to gerrymander the districts to their liking as opposed to the R’s gerrymandering it to their liking. And that will lead to a decade of political decline making Arizona look just like California.
 

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I cant speak for California but I can for Arizona as a person who has given to dozens of R candidates and hosted dozens of fundraisers at our home for R candidates.

The R party lost significantly in 2018 in state races and lost our federal legislative majority.

And it is clear why. What once was a Big Tent R party that encouraged a broad spectrum of conservative political views, now is a state party that makes it clear that you either agree 100% with Trump or you need to get out and get out immediately. 1% disagreement and you are not welcome and need to leave.

As a result, people are rationally voting with both their ballots and their financial support. Elections and majorities need donors and broad coalitions to survive.

So yes, Trump is clearly to blame for the fall of the R majorities in Arizona. And I am seriously worried that he is going to drive it to even worse results in 2020 especially at the state level. And the result of that given it is 2020, is the D’s will be able to gerrymander the districts to their liking as opposed to the R’s gerrymandering it to their liking. And that will lead to a decade of political decline making Arizona look just like California.
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I cant speak for California but I can for Arizona as a person who has given to dozens of R candidates and hosted dozens of fundraisers at our home for R candidates.

The R party lost significantly in 2018 in state races and lost our federal legislative majority.

And it is clear why. What once was a Big Tent R party that encouraged a broad spectrum of conservative political views, now is a state party that makes it clear that you either agree 100% with Trump or you need to get out and get out immediately. 1% disagreement and you are not welcome and need to leave.

As a result, people are rationally voting with both their ballots and their financial support. Elections and majorities need donors and broad coalitions to survive.

So yes, Trump is clearly to blame for the fall of the R majorities in Arizona. And I am seriously worried that he is going to drive it to even worse results in 2020 especially at the state level. And the result of that given it is 2020, is the D’s will be able to gerrymander the districts to their liking as opposed to the R’s gerrymandering it to their liking. And that will lead to a decade of political decline making Arizona look just like California.
If what you say is true and you are so worried, what is your answer or direction. Bottom line, as it currently stands you have 3 options, (D)Biden, (D)Sanders, or (R)Trump????? You use the the word gerrymandering, isn't that what all political parties are always striving to do? Honestly, 530RL, I sometimes can't figure what side you stand for. If your complaints are legit, than what horse are you going to ride?

By the way, IMO, Ca. Is pretty f....d up & corrupt thanks to the the liberal, progressive Dem super majority leadership under Brown & now Pelosi's nephew Newsome. Can't blame Trump for the insanity that is California. Dems run California......
 

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I cant speak for California but I can for Arizona as a person who has given to dozens of R candidates and hosted dozens of fundraisers at our home for R candidates.

The R party lost significantly in 2018 in state races and lost our federal legislative majority.

And it is clear why. What once was a Big Tent R party that encouraged a broad spectrum of conservative political views, now is a state party that makes it clear that you either agree 100% with Trump or you need to get out and get out immediately. 1% disagreement and you are not welcome and need to leave.

As a result, people are rationally voting with both their ballots and their financial support. Elections and majorities need donors and broad coalitions to survive.

So yes, Trump is clearly to blame for the fall of the R majorities in Arizona. And I am seriously worried that he is going to drive it to even worse results in 2020 especially at the state level. And the result of that given it is 2020, is the D’s will be able to gerrymander the districts to their liking as opposed to the R’s gerrymandering it to their liking. And that will lead to a decade of political decline making Arizona look just like California.

This is the problem as I see it. Not even sure I blame Trump. It seems that he can take a disagreement better than his followers. If you don't 100% support Trump you are the enemy
 

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If what you say is true and you are so worried, what is your answer or direction. Bottom line, as it currently stands you have 3 options, (D)Biden, (D)Sanders, or (R)Trump????? You use the the word gerrymandering, isn't that what all political parties are always striving to do? Honestly, 530RL, I sometimes can't figure what side you stand for. If your complaints are legit, than what horse are you going to ride?

By the way, IMO, Ca. Is pretty f....d up & corrupt thanks to the the liberal, progressive Dem super majority leadership under Brown & now Pelosi's nephew Newsome. Can't blame Trump for the insanity that is California. Dems run California......

Of course everyone gerrymanders. That is why 2020 is so Important as districts are redrawn every ten years by those in power.

You have a rational question where there is clearly based on facts and actions, no conservative answer from the three you listed. Just big government, anti-capitalist options.
 

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I cant speak for California but I can for Arizona as a person who has given to dozens of R candidates and hosted dozens of fundraisers at our home for R candidates.

The R party lost significantly in 2018 in state races and lost our federal legislative majority.

And it is clear why. What once was a Big Tent R party that encouraged a broad spectrum of conservative political views, now is a state party that makes it clear that you either agree 100% with Trump or you need to get out and get out immediately. 1% disagreement and you are not welcome and need to leave.

As a result, people are rationally voting with both their ballots and their financial support. Elections and majorities need donors and broad coalitions to survive.

So yes, Trump is clearly to blame for the fall of the R majorities in Arizona. And I am seriously worried that he is going to drive it to even worse results in 2020 especially at the state level. And the result of that given it is 2020, is the D’s will be able to gerrymander the districts to their liking as opposed to the R’s gerrymandering it to their liking. And that will lead to a decade of political decline making Arizona look just like California.

Of coarse you had plenty of fundraisers at your home. I’m sure the coyotes and roadrunner’s had a wonderful time. For some reason gerrymandering comes to mind.
 

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Of course everyone gerrymanders. That is why 2020 is so Important as districts are redrawn every ten years by those in power.

You have a rational question where there is clearly based on facts and actions, no conservative answer from the three you listed. Just big government, anti-capitalist options.
Well, with all do respect, you didn't answer my question about who you support, given the options that we, the common tax paying citizens, currently have.

Not sure what to think about the Donors chemo statement. That comment could be used in a number of different scenarios depending on ones motives. Most big donors provide political support for reasons of self assured power. American politics is American politics.....there is always going to be some level of manipulation & corruption. In the end, one identifies, to some degree, with policies, liberal or conservative.

Hopefully, you will enlighten me, on who & why you are going to vote for President in the coming months.
 

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Your “we the people” elected a D majority to the House due to Trump and his supporters and they certainly agree with you that they are going to protect and promote the general welfare with expanded government spending and programs, all signed into law by Trump.

Let’s see what you deliver in 2020.

Nope,
Me and my people voted for Trump and his people.
It was you and your people that didn't.
 

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Winning the House in 2018 wasn’t that big of a feat, especially when the media rallies for you, the President in under a fake investigation and your base is a bunch of dumb ass liberals and RINO’s.

Try again Mr. Sellout

No shit, Dems won the house for one single reason, Media was running buckshot with a fake Russia collusion story, bullshit Mueller investigation literally beginning inaugeration day, for 20 straight months leading up to the election a fact so conveniently left out of the conversation when you have to blame Trump for everything you don't like.
 

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I cant speak for California but I can for Arizona as a person who has given to dozens of R candidates and hosted dozens of fundraisers at our home for R candidates.

The R party lost significantly in 2018 in state races and lost our federal legislative majority.

And it is clear why. What once was a Big Tent R party that encouraged a broad spectrum of conservative political views, now is a state party that makes it clear that you either agree 100% with Trump or you need to get out and get out immediately. 1% disagreement and you are not welcome and need to leave.

As a result, people are rationally voting with both their ballots and their financial support. Elections and majorities need donors and broad coalitions to survive.

So yes, Trump is clearly to blame for the fall of the R majorities in Arizona. And I am seriously worried that he is going to drive it to even worse results in 2020 especially at the state level. And the result of that given it is 2020, is the D’s will be able to gerrymander the districts to their liking as opposed to the R’s gerrymandering it to their liking. And that will lead to a decade of political decline making Arizona look just like California.

Fucking Awesome. Now we see the real truth here. You are PART OF THE POLITICAL MACHINE.

Of course you cannot understand where we, the sheeple who do all the paying and work around here, are coming from.

You honestly believe that there is some political party that is "for the good of the people".

News Flash, recent events over the last 7 years have showed just how little control or influence we have over OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS. You know, the people who are supposed to be working for us...we the people.

The only rational conclusion is that the entire government is completely corrupt. Scary but true.

So how do we fix it? What suggestions do you have? Not vague bullshit like "we need a true conservative in office".....find us one if that is your reply.

Seems like every politician is a dirty, perverted piece of shit under any spotlight.

Whatcha got man?
 

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As far as a world ideal is concerned, how do you address the fact that we are owned lock stock and barrel by giant financial conglomerates who are literally setting price controls through out major markets? There are much more serious issues with the state of wealth and control in the USA and who controls our production and prices items, meat, produce, fruit.

Lets shift to the next level and see if you are as aware as you proclaim.
 

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I cant speak for California but I can for Arizona as a person who has given to dozens of R candidates and hosted dozens of fundraisers at our home for R candidates.

Was Jeff Flake one of them? :D

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AZ has definitely had their share of back stabbing RINOS..... and now, you want to blame Trump for fucking up the AZ Rs.....
 
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Fucking Awesome. Now we see the real truth here. You are PART OF THE POLITICAL MACHINE.

Of course you cannot understand where we, the sheeple who do all the paying and work around here, are coming from.

You honestly believe that there is some political party that is "for the good of the people".

News Flash, recent events over the last 7 years have showed just how little control or influence we have over OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS. You know, the people who are supposed to be working for us...we the people.

The only rational conclusion is that the entire government is completely corrupt. Scary but true.

So how do we fix it? What suggestions do you have? Not vague bullshit like "we need a true conservative in office".....find us one if that is your reply.

Seems like every politician is a dirty, perverted piece of shit under any spotlight.

Whatcha got man?
As far as a world ideal is concerned, how do you address the fact that we are owned lock stock and barrel by giant financial conglomerates who are literally setting price controls through out major markets? There are much more serious issues with the state of wealth and control in the USA and who controls our production and prices items, meat, produce, fruit.

Lets shift to the next level and see if you are as aware as you proclaim.


Who do you think is getting that 1 trillion dollars of additional annual spending under Trump? The working man? The small farmer? Or the industrial and financial complex you post about?

Government is a necessary evil, but it needs to be as small as possible.

That is why I don’t believe any politician, whether it be Trump or Sanders who states and then implements their larger government as the solution.

The solution is less government; government is the problem not the solution.

That is why I believe the SOLUTION is to support those who want smaller government, not larger government. And thinking that Trump’s larger government will be any less corrupt than Bernie‘s large government is neither rational nor consistent with your above posts.
 

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Who do you think is getting that 1 trillion dollars of additional annual spending under Trump? The working man? The small farmer? Or the industrial and financial complex you post about?

Government is a necessary evil, but it needs to be as small as possible.

That is why I don’t believe any politician, whether it be Trump or Sanders who states and then implements their larger government as the solution.

The solution is less government; government is the problem not the solution.

That is why I believe the SOLUTION is to support those who want smaller government, not larger government. And thinking that Trump’s larger government will be any less corrupt than Bernie‘s large government is neither rational nor consistent with your above posts.


Legit question then-

Why do you support Big Government Republicans in AZ then?

Because it suited you politically at the time is a fine answer, I don’t care.

But if the rationale for your answer is some unwavering support for conservative principles that these Big Government AZ politicians shared with you, your logic is closer in shape to a pretzel than a french roll.
 

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He can't even hear what any of us respond with. He only lives in his toxic little world, that he repeats his diatribe...
 

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He can't even hear what any of us respond with. He only lives in his toxic little world, that he repeats his diatribe...

An example of an individual who has all the answers.
 
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