SoCalDave
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Crazy but should he have gotten out of the car?
Saw a related news article. He drove for 2 minutes once the cops turned on the lights for the stop, saying he was scared for his life and wanted to stop in a lighted area. Any cop after having to follow someone for 2 minutes will be on edge and that is the reason it escalated so quickly once stopped. Do I agree with the cops (not sure), but the stress level went up based on the drivers action (driving 2 minutes before stopping).
Saw a related news article. He drove for 2 minutes once the cops turned on the lights for the stop, saying he was scared for his life and wanted to stop in a lighted area. Any cop after having to follow someone for 2 minutes will be on edge and that is the reason it escalated so quickly once stopped. Do I agree with the cops (not sure), but the stress level went up based on the drivers action (driving 2 minutes before stopping).
He probably has his phone on a windshield mount and started recording at the stop. If I don't have my GoPro with me it's what I would do.I've read countless newspaper articles stating doing exactly that, putting on your emergency flashers and proceeding to a well lit area at night, if you feel endangered.
This was especially the case following the murder of a young lady by a CHP officer after a stop in a rural area in San Diego many years ago.
Those cops should be relegated to trash collection, and the Army Lieutenant, isn't very bright, but when I served, that was more the rule rather than the exception.
I'm just wondering who was filming him inside the Tahoe ? Did it say ?
Dude is in the Army and should have known that driving an extra couple minutes would escalate the situation. His fear was that he would be beaten or murdered in the street by the cops?
Ok, you made it to a gas station, it is well lit, cameras everywhere. Why not comply at that point? You know you have heightened the cops suspicions, and they already called for backup. It would have been over and done in 2 minutes had he complied. The guy’s demeanor is fine, I don’t believe his fear is justified, but ok, that is how he feels. If he is that scared why have a standoff in the driver seat. Just get out of the car. The cops can shoot you through the window of the car just as easily if you are standing out side of the car. Again, guy is in the Army, he has to know all of this.
He has filed a lawsuit against the 2 officers for $1m. I think he saw the cash coming...
Looks a little like a setup for the cops. It has been a few months since the last blow out, time to whip up a new one........
Sad state of current affairs, everyone on high alert understandably.
He should have just done as instructed, no visible plate and 2 minutes before pulling over? Cops have no idea who they are dealing with and want to make it home.
Dude is in the Army and should have known that driving an extra couple minutes would escalate the situation. His fear was that he would be beaten or murdered in the street by the cops?
Ok, you made it to a gas station, it is well lit, cameras everywhere. Why not comply at that point? You know you have heightened the cops suspicions, and they already called for backup. It would have been over and done in 2 minutes had he complied. The guy’s demeanor is fine, I don’t believe his fear is justified, but ok, that is how he feels. If he is that scared why have a standoff in the driver seat. Just get out of the car. The cops can shoot you through the window of the car just as easily if you are standing out side of the car. Again, guy is in the Army, he has to know all of this.
Limo tint on windows blocks out view of temp plates and prevents cops from seeing who is in vehicle.
Guy does not make expedient stop out of fear (irrational but if that is how he feels then OK), cops become more apprehensive about stop.
Now in a well lit public area but still refuses to exit vehicle and cops are unsure about other occupants due to tint.
Guy refuses to comply with Leo directive.
It's amazing that this didn't end up worse.
Regardless what skin tone you are, if you don't want to get fucked up by cops then you should do as requested and 99.999% of the time it will be over in a few minutes without incident or drama.
I see 2 police officers that need to be retrained, talk about over reaction
Yet after the fat screaming cop was at his door, this Lt was in a bit of a conundrum --- in order to exit, it would require him a drop a hand to his waist to unbuckle his seat belt. Doing so would have surely caused fat boy to shoot, fat boy wouldn't listen, only kept repeatedly screaming. My point is --- and I've seen this countless times --- maybe the cops need to curtail or tone back the bitch screaming and actually communicate more rationally. Thereby giving this Lt the opportunity to explain --- " Officer I need to remove my belt, don't shoot me "
Dumb fucking cop keeps macing him, the attempts to drag him out while he's confined by the belt -- it was like a fucking Keystone Cops movie.
Dumb, Dumber and Dumber # 2 is what I witnessed.
The screaming could have been avoided had he complied for the preceding several minutes. What is your expectation rolling up on a car with no plates, limo tinted windows, that won't pull over?
The cops may have overreacted, the driver was very calm, but lets be honest, that would have been very easy for the driver to diffuse if he had exited the car after the first command to do so.
Here's the full video. My understanding is that this was a traffic stop due to the vehicle not having visible plates (it had temporary plates taped to the back window but the window was tinted and they weren't visible at night) and I don't fully understand the policy to have that start off as a felony stop.
The screaming could have been avoided had he complied for the preceding several minutes. What is your expectation rolling up on a car with no plates, limo tinted windows, that won't pull over?
The cops may have overreacted, the driver was very calm, but lets be honest, that would have been very easy for the driver to diffuse if he had exited the car after the first command to do so.
The screaming could have been avoided had he complied for the preceding several minutes. What is your expectation rolling up on a car with no plates, limo tinted windows, that won't pull over?
The cops may have overreacted, the driver was very calm, but lets be honest, that would have been very easy for the driver to diffuse if he had exited the car after the first command to do so.
Except for the seatbelt problem - if he dropped his hands he's fucked
The driver was the only calm one there, you are right on the screaming could have been avoided..... if the officers acted like professionals
The screaming could have been avoided had he complied for the preceding several minutes. What is your expectation rolling up on a car with no plates, limo tinted windows, that won't pull over?
The cops may have overreacted, the driver was very calm, but lets be honest, that would have been very easy for the driver to diffuse if he had exited the car after the first command to do so.
These threads always do better in the P&G section, would be nice if this went there.
PD is govt. related 24/7, frees up the lounge for less drama IMHO
Why the stop in the first place?
Speeding?
Robbery w matching vehicle description 10 min earlier?
Stolen vehicle suspicion?
Or just a dealer plate pull over from a couple of bored guys ?
I can see the cops getting would up tight depending on what the preceding ocirumstace was.
Limo tint = no visible registration, they could not see it in the window. Then he didn't pull over for a couple minutes, then the driver said he's not going to get out.
Watching the longer video when they were talking with him towards the end, the cop said that he has no problem with the pulling to a well lit area to stop, but things escalated when he didn't comply to exit the vehicle.
These threads always do better in the P&G section, would be nice if this went there.
PD is govt. related 24/7, frees up the lounge for less drama IMHO
Car had dealer plates according to the story posted - not " no registration"
On the tint lets walk through this - as the car drove by them on a rural road at night they couldn't see inside and that is a reason to pull them over. hmmmm
On the getting out part we agree - you do WTF the cop asks - expect for this pesky hands
He's got to drop at least one twice or both once - once to open the door, once to take off his belt.
The paper reg was behind the glass and couldn't be seen. There was no plate or dealer plate on the car.
Those cops don't come off as racists or bad cops after you watch the 30 minute video. They said they would have told the guy to put the reg where it can be seen like it is supposed to be and he would have been on his way.