I probably know your brothers father in law. I spent 28 years there.This is the truth. My department had only 300 something applicants for the next academy/tower in July. I wasnt totally shocked by that because there’s other departments that pay more and we require a paramedic license. But when I heard that Ontario only had 300 something also, I was blown away. They hire straight EMTs with an academy and get paid very well. OT and Force Hires are already through the roof because of low staffing and it’s not fire season yet. Theres a whole host of reasons for the staffing shortage, not because we’re trying to create OT. I start 7 straight 24hr shifts on Sunday that I didn’t ask for.
If I had sons, I would steer them as far away from public service as possible. My nephews wont be following their dad and uncles foot steps if we can help it.
My step dad is retired Fontana PD and my brothers father in law is retired San Bernardino city. Im certain they wouldn’t do it again the way stuff is now.
Helped for sure. It is an adjustment at first because of policy, not criminal law. Once you get used to the procedure of turning on, turning off, knowing when to do both...etc... they are a huge benefit. If you are contacting the right people and doing the right thing, you are good.Here's a question for LEOs. Has use of the body cam helped or hurt you in performing your duties? And is that because of the neighborhood involved or in general?
At first, I thought they would be a great idea to protect the good officers and weed out the bad. But after recent incidents and seeing how, even when the video seems to support the officer's decision, I'm not so sure anymore.
I retired 2 years ago from LBPD, I did 29 years, I'm sure I know many of your friends.It is interesting. My grandson has indicated he wanted to be LEO. I do my best to steer him to be a Doctor. He is still a youngster, so we shall see. His Dad, my SIL is LEO and has told him absolutely not. When I was headed into LEO, my Pops, who was an old time deputy from the midwest, made it very clear that I was headed for trouble and would end up in prison. He was a bit clairvoyant, I guess, as he saw the writing on the wall back in 1981. It was a bad time then. All cops were pigs, Ron Settles, Eula love shooting, Signal Hill, Adelanto, chokehold stuff etc.
Perhaps it has been a large snowball. Most of my buddies are retired. Have/ had many in the LBPD who have retired in past few years and LASD.
Cheers, Steve
if they get rid of Qualified Immunity then police officers will not be able to afford to be officers without the risk of loosing there own personal property, they will have to almost buy a kind of malpratice insurance
I am sure you do.I retired 2 years ago from LBPD, I did 29 years, I'm sure I know many of your friends.
Here's a question for LEOs. Has use of the body cam helped or hurt you in performing your duties? And is that because of the neighborhood involved or in general?
At first, I thought they would be a great idea to protect the good officers and weed out the bad. But after recent incidents and seeing how, even when the video seems to support the officer's decision, I'm not so sure anymore.
It's worked out great. It's also cleaned up a lot of the testimony in court when the defense tries to allege something wasn't stated, agreed upon, consented too, or a witness/victim alleges they never said this or that.Great observation and in my opinion (27yrs in), cameras ended good police work, and created a false solution at very expensive cost (millions) to tax payer, it was sold to the coppers as protection against false complaints. How has that worked out so far?
It's worked out great. It's also cleaned up a lot of the testimony in court when the defense tries to allege something wasn't stated, agreed upon, consented too, or a witness/victim alleges they never said this or that.
I get your point, but part of this job is adapting and overcoming what we are faced. You simply cannot police the way we used to. That is not saying what was done in the past was illegal or out of policy at the time. It really is separating those that can do the job while under a microscope, and those that can't. Cops in the streets today are held to a much higher standard than we have ever been, and we are all are forced to be better cops.
Don't take this as a negative comment towards you personally. I too was very skeptical of cameras. It is an adjustment, but an attainable one.
Now.... in regards to departments creating units to specifically audit recording looking for minor policy violations that have ZERO to do with any actual police work... that is complete bullshit. Hopefully my cop shop never get there, but I know it exists already at other agency's. For those none cops scratching their heads... Think some nerd reviewing an audio between two cops that has absolutely zero to do with any public contact or criminal case, and one of those cops swears while describing something. It's bullshit, but it is becoming a reality.
Its called, qualified immunity. Liberals want to take that protection away.I always thought that there was a law where public servants, police and fire especially, could not be sued for making a mistake. If an officer followed departmental policy and someone died, that officer could not be prosecuted because they performed as they were trained.
Guess I was either wrong all along or there is no longer such a law. Anyone know?
If they take away qualified immunity, pro active police work is over. Cops would just respond to calls and when decisions need to be made, request that a supervisor respond to make that decision.if they get rid of Qualified Immunity then police officers will not be able to afford to be officers without the risk of loosing there own personal property, they will have to almost buy a kind of malpratice insurance
Body cams have helped LEOs more than it has hurt them.Here's a question for LEOs. Has use of the body cam helped or hurt you in performing your duties? And is that because of the neighborhood involved or in general?
At first, I thought they would be a great idea to protect the good officers and weed out the bad. But after recent incidents and seeing how, even when the video seems to support the officer's decision, I'm not so sure anymore.
just so you cops know.....not everyone hates you...cant thank you all enough for what you do.
Body cams have helped LEOs more than it has hurt them.
I recall in some of the research on recall memory that eyewitness accounts, especially under stress, and especially when time elapses and the memory becomes solidified...details that seemed unnecessary in the moment are forgotten. Memory is notoriously unreliable. We are all subject to poor recollection. Add to that the instituionalized habit of 'whole truth' being only what is useful to the (prosecution/defense) attorney's cause and it becomes easy to game the system. Video evidence goes a long way to solve those problems - the entire record is available.I’d agree. Our department won’t provide them, and TON of guys have just bought their own.
He was a great shot! I guess he was a marksman in the national guard. Makes sense...Dare I say too "good clean quick shoot " on the knife wielding attacker , Officer apparently didnt hit the victim
Reports of an assault with someone using a knife. You arrive and see an assault occurring in front of you (which in general they don't do once we show up). Drawing your weapons at that point could either have been because the observation of the knife, or intent to detain at gun point. I don't see any of that as a policy or best practice issue in this case. I have no idea when he saw the knife but I'm glad he was ready.He was a great shot! I guess he was a marksman in the national guard. Makes sense...
Only thing I see that could maybe be a negative against him is it looked like he started to draw his gun as she was getting up.. not sure if he saw the weapon or why he did and if it's against protocol to do so. I'd hate to see them spin as he drew it to kill poor young black woman who was trying to defend herself against racist cop..
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Lol.. Everybody loves fireman for doing just that. My only thing is if I have to sit around all day and just wait for a call, I want my own recliner and fridge stocked full of ice cream.We are headed to no police response.
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Those Cats also must work out alot, locals drive the big red trucks to all the local restaurants for chow daily or ... I see them in Vons shopping for firehouse chowLol.. Everybody loves fireman for doing just that. My only thing is if I have to sit around all day and just wait for a call, I want my own recliner and fridge stocked full of ice cream.
Hey hose draggers... tell me I'm wrong
Mad respect to all past, present and future LEO . . . don't get me started on the fireman jokes, cause I will 'Smoke Your Ass'.
well, not EVERYone.Everybody loves fireman
Ohhhhh OK . . . . How can you tell if a Fireman is choking ? . . . . He stops telling everybody he's a Fireman.come on...give us at least one
well, not EVERYone.
Let me ask.
Firemen seem like a sort of 'soft squad' to enforce safety without being armed. In times I have seen them come in conflict with armed officers and be in disagreement about what to do, the conflict did seem to turn sour pretty quick...involved moving big red truck to facilitate traffic flow.
As a citizen, I've seen their soft authority deployed occasionally to enact safety without the black/white authority. What do you make of this?
Ohhhhh OK . . . . How can you tell if a Fireman is choking ? . . . . He stops telling everybody he's a Fireman.
Ohhhhh OK . . . . How can you tell if a Fireman is choking ? . . . . He stops telling everybody he's a Fireman.
thank you for the comprehensive answer.