Cat with 496HO

[Rbcconst]

Anyone running a cat in the 27’ range with a 496HO? Is it enough to get on top of the rough? At what mph do most 27’ cats get on top?


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[ONE-A-DAY]

Anyone running a cat in the 27’ range with a 496HO? Is it enough to get on top of the rough? At what mph do most 27’ cats get on top?


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Kind of underpowered if you are looking to really utilize the true potential of the hull.

 

[zx14]

Yes it’s enough

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Anyone running a cat in the 27’ range with a 496HO? Is it enough to get on top of the rough? At what mph do most 27’ cats get on top?


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most cats in that range pack air some where around 80mph.. plus or minus 5 mph..., need to know what kinda boat to help...magic's run about 63 mph 496 ho... fast enough to get on top.... you should be running pretty good at 55 with enough arm left to peddle though most of the ruff and rollers... but remember... cats don't like rollers and big waves, and if you don't peddle them, they will kite,... and they with flip...

 

[Rbcconst]

Kind of underpowered if you are looking to really utilize the true potential of the hull.

Where will you notice it the most? What would a fair cruising speed be that’s enough to be on top?


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[Rbcconst]

most cats in that range pack air some where around 80mph.. plus or minus 5 mph..., need to know what kinda boat to help...magic's run about 63 mph 496 ho... fast enough to get on top.... you should be running pretty good at 55 with enough arm left to peddle though most of the ruff and rollers... but remember... cats don't like rollers and big waves, and if you don't peddle them, they will kite,... and they with flip...

Lavey 27 Sabre. Claim is 65 loaded.

By peddle do you mean accelerate over it? Like you don’t want to be out of stick when that comes?


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[Joepump]

Not enough. 525 minimum in my opinion.

 

[LBZRCKS]

I know plenty of people that have a 496HO in their cats within that size range. They run right around 70-72 depending on how many people/weight and prop they have. My 28' Magic rides way smoother in rough water if you're going over 50 which is never a problem.

 

[Singleton]

Have a 26’ Ultra Shadow Deck with a 496HO. 70 all day loaded (full tanks, coolers and 4 to 6 people) in the summers with the heat. If loaded right and it is cooler I get up around 76 in good conditions.

Is it enough = Yes.
If I could do it again, I would of spent the $$ and built it with a 525.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Where will you notice it the most? What would a fair cruising speed be that’s enough to be on top?


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when Sue goes by you with the bimini up on her deck boat

 

[2FORCEFULL]

I know plenty of people that have a 496HO in their cats within that size range. They run right around 70-72 depending on how many people/weight and prop they have. My 28' Magic rides way smoother in rough water if you're going over 50 which is never a problem.

is yours a deck???and what prop are you running?

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Have a 26’ Ultra Shadow Deck with a 496HO. 70 all day loaded (full tanks, coolers and 4 to 6 people) in the summers with the heat. If loaded right and it is cooler I get up around 76 in good conditions.

Is it enough = Yes.
If I could do it again, I would of spent the $$ and built it with a 525.

is that GPS'd and witnessed

 

[Singleton]

is that GPS'd and witnessed

What number you questioning?
The numbers are GPS and Paul65k was my witness when I was prop testing (ideal conditions).

 

[Uncle Dave]

Lavey 27 Sabre. Claim is 65 loaded.

By peddle do you mean accelerate over it? Like you don’t want to be out of stick when that comes?


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496 doesn't really get it done loaded with fuel and peeps in a Sabre.

Not enough power to drive through it.

525 or enough mill to get to 500HP is really the base config.

UD

 

[RIVERDAZE]

My 26' Rayson Craft running a 24 pitch prop will run 65 all day loaded with family and all the gear. 2 people in it runs 68-72 depending on the heat with a 24. 26 pitch will get 72-73
The family loaded with a 26 pitch personally didn't like how long it took to roll over and kids couldnt tube as the nose kept wanting to come up. I havent had the 26 on the boat in 8-9 years. I am good with 65-70mph and never had much of an issue getting on top feathering the throttle.

 

[Bigbore500r]

My cat is a 28' with a 415hp 502. It is enough to get on top and rip thru the rough stuff, but for it to do that i'm at 60+mph, and that means im close to being full throttle. It does it fine, but i dont want to hold it there since i'm balls to the wall. I'll run a minute or 2 like that, then back of. If you can get more HP you'll have a more relaxed ride because you'll have a higher cruising speed and wont be punched to make the boat perform in the 60-70 mph range.
I don't want high maintenance shit, big $$$ shit, or a drive killer, so i make due with what i have and drive accordingly. Your 27 sabre will do fine with 425hp, but you WILL wish you had more

 

[zx14]

most cats in that range pack air some where around 80mph.. plus or minus 5 mph..., need to know what kinda boat to help...magic's run about 63 mph 496 ho... fast enough to get on top.... you should be running pretty good at 55 with enough arm left to peddle though most of the ruff and rollers... but remember... cats don't like rollers and big waves, and if you don't peddle them, they will kite,... and they with flip...

Doooood, have you owned a cat? In the 26’+ range? Your never goin to kite flip one with 425 hp unless you have a 50 mph headwind, trimmed to the moon, and cross the casino boats wake. Mine at 100 is ridiculously stable, at 130, it starts to feel flighty. . Now my 21’ differant story, at 100, you could f*ckup.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

To me the best part of owing a car is the loose feeling when it’s fully aired out and running as it was engineered. In Daytona’s that number is around 75, the boat bounces a half dozen times then settles in and becomes a completely different boat up in to the 100’s.

 

[LBZRCKS]

is yours a deck???and what prop are you running?

No it's an open bow scepter, I run a 24P and 26P depending how many people I have.

Have one friend that had a 28' Magic deck and another that has a 265 Dom8tr/Next Deck both with 496HO's and we all have GPS speedo. They all run pretty close to the same...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Lavey 27 Sabre. Claim is 65 loaded.

By peddle do you mean accelerate over it? Like you don’t want to be out of stick when that comes?


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what you do is, just before you hit the wave/roller is ease back on the throttle a hare, not a whole rabbit, that cause's the transon to lift a hair and flatten the boat out... the right after you hit the roller, you ease back in a hair, and then go right threw

 

[Sunset]

Anyone running a cat in the 27’ range with a 496HO? Is it enough to get on top of the rough? At what mph do most 27’ cats get on top?


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Yes you can get on top and a 496 HO will do that and the Lavey will ride good in the rough.
I owned a Magic with a 525 it started packing air about 73 and started getting fun and wished I had more .

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Doooood, have you owned a cat? In the 26’+ range? Your never goin to kite flip one with 425 hp unless you have a 50 mph headwind, trimmed to the moon, and cross the casino boats wake. Mine at 100 is ridiculously stable, at 130, it starts to feel flighty. . Now my 21’ differant story, at 100, you could f*ckup.

we have dogs... I don't like cats... I looking to buy a boat as we speak..

My 26' Rayson Craft running a 24 pitch prop will run 65 all day loaded with family and all the gear. 2 people in it runs 68-72 depending on the heat with a 24. 26 pitch will get 72-73
The family loaded with a 26 pitch personally didn't like how long it took to roll over and kids couldnt tube as the nose kept wanting to come up. I havent had the 26 on the boat in 8-9 years. I am good with 65-70mph and never had much of an issue getting on top feathering the throttle.

that's pretty darn good, less than 5% slip at 5000 rpms

 

[2FORCEFULL]

What number you questioning?
The numbers are GPS and Paul65k was my witness when I was prop testing (ideal conditions).

...paul and his gps checking...lol... some day I'm gonna buy a boat and wanted to make sure what i'm getting... been reading a lot about them..

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Have a 26’ Ultra Shadow Deck with a 496HO. 70 all day loaded (full tanks, coolers and 4 to 6 people) in the summers with the heat. If loaded right and it is cooler I get up around 76 in good conditions.

Is it enough = Yes.
If I could do it again, I would of spent the $$ and built it with a 525.

pretty sure an ultra is a lot faster than a magic...my wife has to give her boat more gas to go around them..

 

[Singleton]

...paul and his gps checking...lol... some day I'm gonna buy a boat and wanted to make sure what i'm getting... been reading a lot about them..

You need to keep your wife from buying boats all the time

 

[Bpracing1127]

IMO you need 600 hp or more. Cats love 70 plus and with 600 you can touch the 90s which means you can accelerate and not be wide open just to go 70 for. Smoother ride. With a 496 you will be wide open to go 70.

 

[zx14]

we have dogs... I don't like cats... I looking to buy a boat as we speak..

that's pretty darn good, less than 5% slip at 5000 rpms

How do you know the slip? That’s not enough info?

 

[Hdgasser]

No it's an open bow scepter, I run a 24P and 26P depending how many people I have.

Have one friend that had a 28' Magic deck and another that has a 265 Dom8tr/Next Deck both with 496HO's and we all have GPS speedo. They all run pretty close to the same...

Yep my Domn8er with 7 people, bimini up and like a dozen coolers will do 60ish with a 24p

2 people, bimini down, 72-73, 26p

I wanna try a 27...

I can feel my boat come un glued at like 55-60. Handles like a dream after that.

 

[Rbcconst]

A lot of mixed info lmao!! However it seams like it would be just ok and would need to run that 496 hard if the water was rough. Depending on the load I could see 50-55 being a fair cruising speed without pushing the motor. Seams like 60+ is closer to its top end which you wouldn’t want to run for a long time.


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[2FORCEFULL]

How do you know the slip? That’s not enough info?

Educated guess was 1.5 drive...

 

[RCDave]

To me a 26-28 cat with a 496 is like a small block powering a 23-25'V hull. Or a 4/6 cyl camaro.

No replacement for cubic inch displacement.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

You need to keep your wife from buying boats all the time

her boat is going on 4 yrs old already...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Yep my Domn8er with 7 people, bimini up and like a dozen coolers will do 60ish with a 24p

2 people, bimini down, 72-73, 26p

I wanna try a 27...

I can feel my boat come un glued at like 55-60. Handles like a dream after that.

lol... you ment coozies.... right?

 

[Xtreme1]

Lavey 27 Sabre. Claim is 65 loaded.

By peddle do you mean accelerate over it? Like you don’t want to be out of stick when that comes?


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My Lavey with a 500 EFI, stock 28p Bravo 1, ran 78 on GPS with 2 people and 1/2 tanks.. now has a whipped 540 and runs .... A Lavey loves the rough stuff and will run right past most boats in it.

 

[Rbcconst]

My Lavey with a 500 EFI, stock 28p Bravo 1, ran 78 on GPS with 2 people and 1/2 tanks.. now has a whipped 540 and runs .... A Lavey loves the rough stuff and will run right past most boats in it.

How did it run in the rough between 50-60 mph


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[sirbob]

Lots of talk about being able to go fast when the water is rough...

I have a 26 ft cat with a 502HO and my issue is never that I can't go fast enough when its rough. When I am coming south form the gorge or north from the springs and hit the big sloppy shit water in the main basin on a busy Saturday afternoon...

I find the ride MUCH better if I just slow down. The answer is rarely - speed up.

I get the whole "get on top of it" theory - However, I find that by doing that, everything is fine "until its not". When you hit that really rouge wave and wonder where all your towels and hats just went or when your kids in the front find them selves 3 feet off their seat and are above the gunnel and about to get pitched.

The answer being asked about a 496 having enough power is the wrong approach to this situation - power is not the answer in really rough water on most of the pleasure cats that are used in Havasu.

IMHO. a 496/502 is plenty for cruising around with the family.

Now - if you want to just "hull ass" - its not enough -

 

[Xtreme1]

How did it run in the rough between 50-60 mph


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50 -60 is A great cruising range... here's the problem.... YOU WILL WANT MORE! a bad day on Havasu your not going to get on top of anything.. That's what the big Vee bottoms are for. On a normal day you wil rip right across it. My favorite place to open the boat up in s in the Gorge where the water is washing machine like. The boat loves it. Wake surfers can kiss my ass they cause cats to really come out of the water.. and..... if your getting an open bow I would never run hard with people especially kids up front it's too easy to launch them out....

 

[Uncle Dave]

Can you get by with a 496? Sure It will plane and you can run around the lake and have fun.

- the boat doesn't halo with that though.

If you are going to own a cat, and pay cat insurance TO ME isn't worth it unless the rig can at least halo out.
Its up there where the cat pays off TO ME.

Like Extreme says over washboard it's absolutely magical - That sweet spot to me is the payoff for the spend- the juice at the end of the squeeze.

If I'm just going 65 Id rather have space and insurance rate of a V.
- but that's ME. The juice ain't worth the squeeze.

Note: cat type hull deck boats often don't carry full cat insurance burden - the Sabre almost always gets charged the higher "cat" rate.

That's just my take - everyones mileage and need vary.

UD

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

I sold my 25 Daytona because it had a 496magho which was just too underpowered. If loaded it took forever to get on plane and was no fun at all! I'd never buy another one again without at least a 525...600 or more preferred.

 

[JDizel]

700hp is the sweet spot!

 

[Slats]

My v bottom with 15 coolers full of beer and ice with 22 people in it in 7 foot rollers does 82.714 mph. If someone sneaks in a foot long subway with double meat it slows me down to 80.312. If it's not extra lean meat then it's a little faster than the 80.312. But. As the beer gets drank the speed goes way up.
That's all with a two blade aluminum prop with a fairly big ding on one blade. Just think what she would do with a three blad or even a four blade ??? Lol

 

[RiverDave]

...paul and his gps checking...lol... some day I'm gonna buy a boat and wanted to make sure what i'm getting... been reading a lot about them..

You could buy a cell phone and download the gps app.

RD

 

[DWC]

Had a Magic with the 496. I’d own another one in a heartbeat. Cheap maintenance, easy of gas and will run forever. Everyone with a 496 wants a 525. 525’s want to step up to 600 and so on.
It’ll take time to plane out with 8 people, full gas and ice chests but who cares.

 

[RCDave]

Dang. I should have kept my ole 1970's vintage tri-hull with the ole 120 in-line 4!

LOL

 

[lbhsbz]

You could buy a cell phone and download the gps app.

RD

https://www.amazon.com/SkyRC-Speedometer-Altimeter-Quadcopter-GSM-010/dp/B00SA2JQL4

cheaper when you drop it in the drink.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

You could buy a cell phone and download the gps app.

RD

that's not gonna happen....lol

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

that's not gonna happen....lol

That Cheetah will continue to do 110 then

 

[2FORCEFULL]

My v bottom with 15 coolers full of beer and ice with 22 people in it in 7 foot rollers does 82.714 mph. If someone sneaks in a foot long subway with double meat it slows me down to 80.312. If it's not extra lean meat then it's a little faster than the 80.312. But. As the beer gets drank the speed goes way up.
That's all with a two blade aluminum prop with a fairly big ding on one blade. Just think what she would do with a three blad or even a four blade ??? Lol

pasties????got pics???

 

[Slats]

I don't usually wear paisties when I drive the boat. But after a cooler of beers who knows.

 

[NicPaus]

Have you checked out Boatnam2 Sabre for sale? You will be a lot happier with the power IMO. Cruise at 75 instead of max out looking for more.