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Maybe the lift pump is the difference. I also know they sell a "prevention kit" for the Scorpion that reroutes the fuel somehow, i think it can filter the debris before it hits the injectors and kills the system if it fails. They don't sell that for the chevy, wish they did
They sell a thing for $270 that upgrades it so it wont take out injectors and contaminate the whole fuel system. See them talking about it on the LML forum. Debating buying I have 2 LML 2015 but low miles only used for work. Probably be 10 years before I hit 40k miles on them 1 is at 10k 1 at 15k now 3 years old.
 

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I've never understood why people say this...

No spark plugs. No tune ups. No plugs wires. It's just an engine that will go 300k with no issues.

Oh I know, some people have run their gas engines up to those miles, but they are the exception, not the rule.

All I do to mine is change the oil and clean the K&N. I buy the oil at Costco and the filters online.

Costs less to maintain than my gas vehicles that's for dam sure.

Now if you're going to take your shit to the dealership to be serviced, then get ready to be bent over...

I love my 7.3

What don’t you understand? That is a pretty fair assessment. They cost more up front, and if something goes bad, it is really expensive. Most Everyone I know with a late model diesel has paid a few grand in maintenance and repairs to their high mileage diesel truck. Andnunless the truck is over 10 years old, the mileage is not tremendously better.
 

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What 2500 truck do you have and what year? 5000lb plus trailer ain’t shit.

That’s new 1/2ton territory.

Newer diesels are bad ass and if you can afford them go for it.

I’m just the average broke guy so I bought a 6.4gas dodge. It gets 11.6mpg. But I saved about 9000 buy not getting the Cummins.
Plus I don’t have worry about expensive diesel repairs.

I drove that 6.4 dodge and having 3 diesel trucks, I was very impressed. That is a solid truck. Enterprise car rentals use them too.
 
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What don’t you understand? That is a pretty fair assessment. They cost more up front, and if something goes bad, it is really expensive. Most Everyone I know with a late model diesel has paid a few grand in maintenance and repairs to their high mileage diesel truck. Andnunless the truck is over 10 years old, the mileage is not tremendously better.

I've put a crank sensor and valve cover gaskets on mine...

It's an 01 with 150k of 90 percent towing miles on it.

Tows great. Makes me smile.

What diesel truck do you own again?
 

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Turbos and Emissions equipment are enough for me to shy away from diesels. also the fact I don’t pull anything heavy. I don’t need to own one to understand that. It’s well documented.


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They sell a thing for $270 that upgrades it so it wont take out injectors and contaminate the whole fuel system. See them talking about it on the LML forum. Debating buying I have 2 LML 2015 but low miles only used for work. Probably be 10 years before I hit 40k miles on them 1 is at 10k 1 at 15k now 3 years old.
If you have a link please send, i'll install it tomorrow!
 

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Or stash away 8k in case it ever lets go. Or as Plaster Dave says, do preventitive measures and spend a few grand to upgrade to a CP3 swap so you don't have to worry about it again
Try 16K 8K was half of the bill Gm payed half also
 

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2002 was not a good year for the 6.0...I have one too, and it's a turd. My old 5.7L in my 97 C1500 would tow circles around my 2002 1500HD with the 6.0. They do OK if you spin 'em up to 4000rpms or so, but then you're getting 8mpg. It might as well be a '70s carbureted 454

My '07 2500HD ran great, and motor isn't much different between an 02 and 07. They changed to floating pins and larger rods but thats just durability stuff. Same heads, same cam, same injectors.....etc. Maybe yours is tired? I yanked my 27' toy hauler all over with 150 gallons of fresh water, with the rzr and kid bikes it was 10,000lb. I could pull the Camarillo grade in 2nd and pretty much hold speed at 55-60. The truck had factory 4.10 gears, 32" tires, drop-in K&N, Gibson cat back and it was tuned. @HOOTER SLED- how is that old pig running?
 

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Try 16K 8K was half of the bill Gm payed half also
I recall talked to Jason about it as I was shopping for another truck. You driving a nee Duramax still or you change it up? I ended up with a gasser but still have 2 2015s.
 

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My '07 2500HD ran great, and motor isn't much different between an 02 and 07. They changed to floating pins and larger rods but thats just durability stuff. Same heads, same cam, same injectors.....etc. Maybe yours is tired? I yanked my 27' toy hauler all over with 150 gallons of fresh water, with the rzr and kid bikes it was 10,000lb. I could pull the Camarillo grade in 2nd and pretty much hold speed at 55-60. The truck had factory 4.10 gears, 32" tires, drop-in K&N, Gibson cat back and it was tuned. @HOOTER SLED- how is that old pig running?

Mine has 115K miles. Had less than 80K when I got it. Not tired. I'm pretty sure I've got taller gears than you though...I looked up the build sheet once, but I forget. It won't drag itself up the grade out of indio without dropping out of O/D. That's pretty lame I think, especially considering my 2005 V6 Tacoma could pull it in 6th towing a boat at 75mph
 

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Been pulling the 27 foot Fundeck boat (5000LBS dry no trailer)with my gas 2500 for ever and this past weekend I used my cousins diesel to pull it and wow! Didint have to get a run for the hills on the 40, didnt have to think about how and when I was going to pass someone or if I could. So its got me looking at newer trucks. Probably wont go brand new but maybe 2015-2018. I am not really looking for Ford,GM, Dodge debate. Just looking for information on what to expect maintenance wise and when certain things if any need to be replaced. Do the Duramax still have injector problems and need to be replaced after x amount of miles? More than likely will end up with either a Chevy or GMC.

link to one I have been looking at.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=512249551&zip=92345&referrer=/cars-for-sale/searchresults.xhtml?zip=92345&fuelTypeGroup=DSL&doorCodes=4&extColorsSimple=GRAY%2CSILVER%2CWHITE&startYear=2015&incremental=all&endYear=2017&modelCodeList=CHEVC25%2CGMCC25PU&makeCodeList=CHEV%2CGMC&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&firstRecord=0&marketExtension=on&searchRadius=200&startYear=2015&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0&endYear=2017&modelCodeList=CHEVC25,GMCC25PU&makeCodeList=CHEV,GMC&searchRadius=200&clickType=spotlight

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First thing, if the dry boat is 5000 lbs, with trailer and fully gassed and loaded with ice chests, toys, beer and water, you are probably towing 7000 to 8000 lbs. You should take it fully loaded to a certified truck weigh station so you know exactly how much you are towing before you buy another truck (all boaters should do this).

My 2001 2500 HD with a 6.0 and a 4.10 rear end pulls 8000 lbs like it isn’t even there, pulls up mountain passes at 70 or 80 mph (which I rarely do) without a problem. The new trucks have higher rear ends (lower number like 3.73 or lower.....bad idea).

That link you are looking at is a long bed, which I wouldn’t do unless all you do is tow, better plan on a long load hard to park anywhere.

Diesel is great, no spark plugs or electrical system to “tune up”......they can drive under water if your intake and exhaust are extended above water level, I know, I’ve driven Cat D-8 so deep I was sitting in water and the engine completely submerged.

Diesels cost more to buy but are super reliable as long as you get good fuel and change your fuel filter. And they develop much more torque and horsepower at lower RPM. But for total cost, you can’t beat a pre-Obama Chevy 6.0 with a 4.10 rear end for towing and general all around driving.
 

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I recall talked to Jason about it as I was shopping for another truck. You driving a nee Duramax still or you change it up? I ended up with a gasser but still have 2 2015s.
sold all three and went gas 3500 use about 6 mpg one of my guys uses about 1K a week in gas that used about 400 a week in diesel and they are SLOW
 

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I’ve got a 2019 Silverado 2500 HD with the L5P Duramax and I love it. Thing is a monster.
 

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sold all three and went gas 3500 use about 6 mpg one of my guys uses about 1K a week in gas that used about 400 a week in diesel and they are SLOW


Damn. I test drove same truck with gas and it showed 6mpg. No freeway we get 10mpg in the diesel but it lasts 2 weeks on a fill up as only local jobs and weighs 12k lbs. I avg $900 a month in fuel with 2 of us driving the different trucks depending on what we're doing. My 2500hd gasser gets 10mpg also.
 

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Have you tried a custom tune? I'm not talking an over the counter tune, a real tune that you tell them what u do with the truck and what you would like to change?

Diesels are great, I picked up an lb7 for a work truck and it's been flawless. First time towing up the grapevine it started getting warm, 230 ish, so I took it easy and it made it but was leaking from the water pump when I stopped. I attribute the over heating to the fact the coolant system wasn't sealed due to the water pump crapping out, replaced it and the radiator for less then $400, did the work myself. Haven't had a heating issue since and I've pulled heavier up steeper.

If you don't mind wrenching on your own shit they aren't bad on wallet, but it costs money to make horsepower but you can get a lot more hp for the money over a gasser
 

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sold all three and went gas 3500 use about 6 mpg one of my guys uses about 1K a week in gas that used about 400 a week in diesel and they are SLOW


What rear end and engine do those have? My old 2001 2500 HD Crew Cab short bed with 6.0 and 4.10 gets 16 hiway and 13 mpg towing. Totally stock truck.
 

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What rear end and engine do those have? My old 2001 2500 HD Crew Cab short bed with 6.0 and 4.10 gets 16 hiway and 13 mpg towing. Totally stock truck.
I think he loads his down with service beds / tools. My 6.0 2007 got about the same mileage you describe empty
 

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...My old 12 valve towed The Great Divide just fine...camper weighs 3600 ...don’t know what the old Hallett and trailer weigh???...
 
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Been pulling the 27 foot Fundeck boat (5000LBS dry no trailer)with my gas 2500 for ever and this past weekend I used my cousins diesel to pull it and wow! Didint have to get a run for the hills on the 40, didnt have to think about how and when I was going to pass someone or if I could. So its got me looking at newer trucks. Probably wont go brand new but maybe 2015-2018. I am not really looking for Ford,GM, Dodge debate. Just looking for information on what to expect maintenance wise and when certain things if any need to be replaced. Do the Duramax still have injector problems and need to be replaced after x amount of miles? More than likely will end up with either a Chevy or GMC.

link to one I have been looking at.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=512249551&zip=92345&referrer=/cars-for-sale/searchresults.xhtml?zip=92345&fuelTypeGroup=DSL&doorCodes=4&extColorsSimple=GRAY%2CSILVER%2CWHITE&startYear=2015&incremental=all&endYear=2017&modelCodeList=CHEVC25%2CGMCC25PU&makeCodeList=CHEV%2CGMC&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&firstRecord=0&marketExtension=on&searchRadius=200&startYear=2015&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0&endYear=2017&modelCodeList=CHEVC25,GMCC25PU&makeCodeList=CHEV,GMC&searchRadius=200&clickType=spotlight

Thanks in advance.

Does anyone besides me think 45k is kinda pricey for a 2016 truck??
 

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Like said earlier. It takes the green nozzle at the pump. They have torque to pull trailers and ass pretty well. Get a crew cab.
 

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Been pulling the 27 foot Fundeck boat (5000LBS dry no trailer)with my gas 2500 for ever and this past weekend I used my cousins diesel to pull it and wow! Didint have to get a run for the hills on the 40, didnt have to think about how and when I was going to pass someone or if I could. So its got me looking at newer trucks. Probably wont go brand new but maybe 2015-2018. I am not really looking for Ford,GM, Dodge debate. Just looking for information on what to expect maintenance wise and when certain things if any need to be replaced. Do the Duramax still have injector problems and need to be replaced after x amount of miles? More than likely will end up with either a Chevy or GMC.

link to one I have been looking at.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=512249551&zip=92345&referrer=/cars-for-sale/searchresults.xhtml?zip=92345&fuelTypeGroup=DSL&doorCodes=4&extColorsSimple=GRAY%2CSILVER%2CWHITE&startYear=2015&incremental=all&endYear=2017&modelCodeList=CHEVC25%2CGMCC25PU&makeCodeList=CHEV%2CGMC&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&firstRecord=0&marketExtension=on&searchRadius=200&startYear=2015&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0&endYear=2017&modelCodeList=CHEVC25,GMCC25PU&makeCodeList=CHEV,GMC&searchRadius=200&clickType=spotlight

Thanks in advance.
Been pulling the 27 foot Fundeck boat (5000LBS dry no trailer)with my gas 2500 for ever and this past weekend I used my cousins diesel to pull it and wow! Didint have to get a run for the hills on the 40, didnt have to think about how and when I was going to pass someone or if I could. So its got me looking at newer trucks. Probably wont go brand new but maybe 2015-2018. I am not really looking for Ford,GM, Dodge debate. Just looking for information on what to expect maintenance wise and when certain things if any need to be replaced. Do the Duramax still have injector problems and need to be replaced after x amount of miles? More than likely will end up with either a Chevy or GMC.

link to one I have been looking at.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=512249551&zip=92345&referrer=/cars-for-sale/searchresults.xhtml?zip=92345&fuelTypeGroup=DSL&doorCodes=4&extColorsSimple=GRAY%2CSILVER%2CWHITE&startYear=2015&incremental=all&endYear=2017&modelCodeList=CHEVC25%2CGMCC25PU&makeCodeList=CHEV%2CGMC&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&firstRecord=0&marketExtension=on&searchRadius=200&startYear=2015&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0&endYear=2017&modelCodeList=CHEVC25,GMCC25PU&makeCodeList=CHEV,GMC&searchRadius=200&clickType=spotlight

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I did not read through everything so forgive me if this has already been said.....99-03 powerstroke. Bought mine brandy new in '01. Longbed Crewcab 4x4 F350 non-dually. 3000lb lance camper on back since new. pulled all kinds of stuff over the years. My current set up during winter is same Lance camper, and pull 10kgvw tripple axle enclosed trailer with 2 quads, tools etc. AND sometimes my beastie Grand Cherokee on 35's is stuffed in there with the quads. Tows fine. Does not win the race to Ocitillo. Only had a trans overheating issue....solved by flushing coolers....added bigger cooler to b safe. Converted rear to dually when I bought triple axle trailer. In my opinion (which probably ain't worth shi*), the 99-03 7.3 is one of the best OVERALL trucks ever built. I am sure there are faster, more horsepower/torque etc. etc......also there is not any smog equipment other than a cat.....no expensive exhaust crap causing limp mode in middle of nowhere on a family vacation!
 

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Not the yellow e85 pump like a friend of mine did
A friends wife did the same... she caught it before leaving the gas station

I asked him "want a thrill?" drive it home..... it'll probably pop a wheelie... for about 10 seconds lol
 

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No, I think $45K is pricey for a new truck.

I paid that OTD on pretty much the same truck but as a 1500. 5.3 4x4 premium sound. Cloth buckets. 2017. Truck stickered at 50k.

So for diesel 2500 this seems right.


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I did not read through everything so forgive me if this has already been said.....99-03 powerstroke. Bought mine brandy new in '01. Longbed Crewcab 4x4 F350 non-dually. 3000lb lance camper on back since new. pulled all kinds of stuff over the years. My current set up during winter is same Lance camper, and pull 10kgvw tripple axle enclosed trailer with 2 quads, tools etc. AND sometimes my beastie Grand Cherokee on 35's is stuffed in there with the quads. Tows fine. Does not win the race to Ocitillo. Only had a trans overheating issue....solved by flushing coolers....added bigger cooler to b safe. Converted rear to dually when I bought triple axle trailer. In my opinion (which probably ain't worth shi*), the 99-03 7.3 is one of the best OVERALL trucks ever built. I am sure there are faster, more horsepower/torque etc. etc......also there is not any smog equipment other than a cat.....no expensive exhaust crap causing limp mode in middle of nowhere on a family vacation!

Are you trying to say you've had no expensive repairs and huge maintenance costs??

Blasphemy! :p
 

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My .02 with owned diesels-
2000 Excursion 7.3- 8" lift on 37's- 100 hp chip with 4" exhaust. will tow anything with great mileage just dont be in a hurry to get there, sold it with 200k only replaced HPOP
2003 F250 6.0- edge tuner and straight piped. Awesome power and great chassis, but it will blow the egr. not a matter of if more of when
2005 F350 6.0- same thing did it again. $4k fix
2005 2500 Duramax LLY lifted on 35's. Awesome truck, never an issue.
2007 2500 Duramax LBZ leveled on 33's. Fass lift pump, Coolant filtration, Kennedy Diesel custom tow tune with egr disabled, straight piped, kodiak allison deep tranny pan, caterpillar oil filter adapter, etc. This thing is my current truck with 90k miles, and it is a beast. tows my 10k lb fifth wheel with no trouble whatsoever while averaging 16-17 mpg. LBZ is the hot rod of duramaxes before all the emissions took hold. possibly my last truck as i only use it to tow and it does awesome job, and when i hit the hot pedal it lays down the rubber safely.
 
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I tow my 28 Bullet with a 07 2500 4 X 4 HD 6.0 gas extended cab. Truck has a Black Bear tune for towing and I rip through Tehachapi and the 40 to Havasu. Now the gas mileage I’ll just say it sucks, but to Havasu a couple of times a year not bad. I looked originally at a diesel but I don’t tow enough to justify.
 

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What rear end and engine do those have? My old 2001 2500 HD Crew Cab short bed with 6.0 and 4.10 gets 16 hiway and 13 mpg towing. Totally stock truck.
6.0 motor and 4.10 rearend 2017 wt crew cab dually loaded service bed and 80mph + driver 6 mpg
 

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Thanks for all the input guys. Maybe I will try a tune on my old truck first.
 

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I've never understood why people say this...

No spark plugs. No tune ups. No plugs wires. It's just an engine that will go 300k with no issues.

Oh I know, some people have run their gas engines up to those miles, but they are the exception, not the rule.

All I do to mine is change the oil and clean the K&N. I buy the oil at Costco and the filters online.

Costs less to maintain than my gas vehicles that's for dam sure.

Now if you're going to take your shit to the dealership to be serviced, then get ready to be bent over...

I love my 7.3



I don't think any one disagrees that 7.3 is cheap and reliable. Certainly cheaper more reliable than newer ones.
most gassers from 2000 up usually go 200k+without many issues and much cheaper to rebuild. I currently have 6.0 in my service van with 215k hard miles, and it's starting to get a little tired. I hope my newer 5.0 with ohc goes similar...
If you tow a lot with heavy loads go diesel if you tow periodically under 7500 I'd go gas...
 
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I don’t know why everyone always says this cost so much money for oil change you could get Dello at Walmart for very cheap.Every 2 oil changes you do a fuel filter it’s not that expensive. Under 20 for a k&n oil filter.Didn’t even cost me 100 bucks
I assume that an oil change
I've never understood why people say this...

No spark plugs. No tune ups. No plugs wires. It's just an engine that will go 300k with no issues.

Oh I know, some people have run their gas engines up to those miles, but they are the exception, not the rule.

All I do to mine is change the oil and clean the K&N. I buy the oil at Costco and the filters online.

Costs less to maintain than my gas vehicles that's for dam sure.

Now if you're going to take your shit to the dealership to be serviced, then get ready to be bent over...

I love my 7.3

It's listening to my buddies bitch about their oil changes (which they don't do themselves) I hear what you're saying. I do my maintenance and would probably be in agreement if I had a diesel.
 

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I've put a crank sensor and valve cover gaskets on mine...

It's an 01 with 150k of 90 percent towing miles on it.

Tows great. Makes me smile.

What diesel truck do you own again?
Not everyone is lucky enough to have a 7.3. I have an 02 with 122k miles, pretty much only use it to tow. It’s had the full Banks Powerpack on it since it was 2 weeks old. I pulled the boat (~7k lbs) up the grapevine in the summer at 80mph one time just for fun, truck didn’t even flinch.

Clean, low mile 7.3s are getting very hard to find.
 

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I don't think any one disagrees that 7.3 is cheap and reliable. Certainly cheaper more reliable than newer ones.
most gassers from 2000 up usually go 200k+without many issues and much cheaper to rebuild. I currently have 6.0 in my service van with 215k hard miles, and it's starting to get a little tired. I hope my newer 5.0 with ohc goes similar...
If you tow a lot with heavy loads go diesel if you tow periodically under 7500 I'd go gas...

Cheap yes but they are not more reliable assuming the new one is deleted.
 

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Ya the maintenance on diesels is way more....

Probably evens out. Unless you have a major issue with the diesel. Hpop, cp3 or cp4 that sends metal through the entire fuel system.

6.0 longblock is 2500 bucks.

Pros and cons to everything.
 

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Probably evens out. Unless you have a major issue with the diesel. Hpop, cp3 or cp4 that sends metal through the entire fuel system.

6.0 longblock is 2500 bucks.

Pros and cons to everything.

Ya I just find it funny people talking about the maintenance cost of a diesel and listed a bunch of parts he needs to get what maybe 5% better performance.

As far as the Cp4 stuff I have never heard of anyone personally having one fail, I asked my buddy who runs H&S Motorsports and he said he does not hear of it often. And people call him for the replacements.. His exact words were "chevy guys are funny" Why? "because one guy has one fail and they act like they all fail"...He drives a chevy lol.
 

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Ya I just find it funny people talking about the maintenance cost of a diesel and listed a bunch of parts he needs to get what maybe 5% better performance.

He already has the truck and it's paid for.......yea it's cheaper to throw $1800 at it than go buy a diesel ! Not just maintanance lol, you already have the diesel when you get to that point.

If he really wants to fix the problem on the cheap, remove the 35" mud terrains and stock wheels back on it. Gas motors depend on RPM to make power and get to peak torque, those 35's are putting it in a position where it's trying to pull every hill in 2nd because 3rd is too steep due to the tires.
 

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He already has the truck and it's paid for.......yea it's cheaper to throw $1800 at it than go buy a diesel ! Not just maintanance lol, you already have the diesel when you get to that point

I agree.
 
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