F150 Ecoboost. What’s the consensus?

[jetboatperformance]

Recognizing many of your boats are bigger than my average , this 15' EB and my 14' (5.0) tow with ease

 

[HBCraig]

I have had both the ecoboost and 5.0 liter. I chose to go with the 5.0 liter on my last F150 and it tows great. Not a knock on the ecoboost, but I just dont feel comfortable winding up the RPMs and spooling up the turbos while towing in the summertime.

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

The resale is more because it cost more to begin with. You’ll never recoup the extra cost in your fuel savings towing your boat unless you tow half a million miles.

When you aren’t towing, the half ton is way nicer to drive and cheaper to operate.

I haven’t even brought up registration and insurance cost savings of a half ton.

It is a free country, drive the truck you want, but if you tow less than 8000 lbs there is no need for a 3/4 ton or beyond truck, and your TCO will always be more than a half ton, even after you sell it.

Don’t tell me about mid 2000 diesels.. we are talking about modern new trucks. You can’t buy a Duramax for $42k like you could in 2006.

There is definitely no savings, but for me it is well worth the money spent. It is amazing that a 10 year old gasser will be $10k and a 10 year old diesel will be $35k. I didn't spend $25k more on a diesel. I paid $57k for me 2018 Ram Mega 4x4 Laramie loaded. 1500's were nearly $50k.

Gassers are usually at the end of their expected life at 100k miles. Cummins will make it to 300k with a couple transmissions.

I bought this truck to keep forever, but will probably buy a new one in 7-8 years though. I'm a hoarder though.

 

[newmexico]

Why is it so important to install an oil catch can in an Ecoboost? If it was needed that bad, wouldn’t it come installed from factory? Was just reading F150 forums a couple months ago. My 17 year old son is playing with a 2014.

 

[Runs2rch]

Why is it so important to install an oil catch can in an Ecoboost? If it was needed that bad, wouldn’t it come installed from factory? Was just reading F150 forums a couple months ago. My 17 year old son is playing with a 2014.

Every engine can benefit from a good catch can/oil separator. Direct injection especially. The new Eco with the added port injector def helps keep valves cleaner. The oil is caught before it can be distributed all over the back of the valves and burned.

 

[ArizonaKevin]

Why is it so important to install an oil catch can in an Ecoboost? If it was needed that bad, wouldn’t it come installed from factory? Was just reading F150 forums a couple months ago. My 17 year old son is playing with a 2014.

pull the charge pipe off the intercooler and check all of the gross goo that's in there.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

pull the charge pipe off the intercooler and check all of the gross goo that's in there.

This.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

There is definitely no savings, but for me it is well worth the money spent. It is amazing that a 10 year old gasser will be $10k and a 10 year old diesel will be $35k. I didn't spend $25k more on a diesel. I paid $57k for me 2018 Ram Mega 4x4 Laramie loaded. 1500's were nearly $50k.

Gassers are usually at the end of their expected life at 100k miles. Cummins will make it to 300k with a couple transmissions.

I bought this truck to keep forever, but will probably buy a new one in 7-8 years though. I'm a hoarder though.

Gassers are not dead at 100k miles. Again, this isn’t 1987.

There is not a $7k difference between a 1500 gasser and an 3500 dually diesel mega cab of the same trim. You are comparing your deal price to a MSRP, or the 2 trims are different.

The equivalent of my truck (F150 XLT) in an F250 XLT Diesel was over $15k... that was in March 2019, same “deal price” from the same dealer at the same time.

Again, we are in agreement there is no real money savings, and anyone can drive what they like. I’m glad you are happy with your choice.

You illustrated my point though.. you spent a lot on the truck intending to keep it forever.. but you may sell the $57k truck for $30k in 8 years..

I may sell my $40k truck for $12k-$15k In 8 years. Yea the gasser lost more as a percentage in resale value, but we lost about the same amount of money in real dollars, and the gasser is unquestionably cheaper to insure, register and maintain year over year. Fuel costs depend on what you are doing with it.

 

[rvrrun]

An ass for every seat definitely applies here. There’s no need to convince anyone that the choice you made was the right one for you. My buddy (6’7”) has the platinum f150 4x4 with the EB. I have the previous gen SD (before the f150 cab) and am 5’10”. I’ve driven his truck to the river twice and couldn’t stand it (seats mainly, sore back). His is a MUCH smoother ride around town, but mine is better on the highway.

Anyhow, when he was shopping for it, we watched YouTube comparisons on the EB vs 5.0 and they were closely matched. The parts guy at our dealership said the same thing about the turbo problems, and that he ordered the V8 because of all the EB’s that were in for service. Take that for what it’s worth, a service dept is going to come across all the problems. My friend ignored that and has the EB, he couldn’t be happier. It’s stupid fast for a 4x4 truck and nimble enough for around town/mall duty.

I’m stuck with mine since the new SD has the f150 cab/seats so I’ll just pray that the fuel pump doesn’t let go and grenade the entire works.

 

[Danger Dave]

I don't think we'll reach a consensus until page 6.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I don't think we'll reach a consensus until page 643.5.

Fixed.

 

[pronstar]

Consensus is never reached LOL

People will just get tired of arguing about trucks in this thread, and will continue the arguments once the next truck thread is inevitably started.


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[riverroyal]

my son just bought a truck.......cant let this die

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

my son just bought a truck.......cant let this die

What did he get?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

An ass for every seat definitely applies here. There’s no need to convince anyone that the choice you made was the right one for you. My buddy (6’7”) has the platinum f150 4x4 with the EB. I have the previous gen SD (before the f150 cab) and am 5’10”. I’ve driven his truck to the river twice and couldn’t stand it (seats mainly, sore back). His is a MUCH smoother ride around town, but mine is better on the highway.

Anyhow, when he was shopping for it, we watched YouTube comparisons on the EB vs 5.0 and they were closely matched. The parts guy at our dealership said the same thing about the turbo problems, and that he ordered the V8 because of all the EB’s that were in for service. Take that for what it’s worth, a service dept is going to come across all the problems. My friend ignored that and has the EB, he couldn’t be happier. It’s stupid fast for a 4x4 truck and nimble enough for around town/mall duty.

I’m stuck with mine since the new SD has the f150 cab/seats so I’ll just pray that the fuel pump doesn’t let go and grenade the entire works.

This is a problem magnified by the internet, but there are a bunch of people that complain their new 2018 and 2019 5.0s (really 307 cubic inches now) have loud cam phasers and burn a ton of oil.

My snowbird rental has a 2018 F150 5.0 he bought for "simplicity" and really likes it. He does not have the cam phaser or oil problems. I talked to him before I got my 3.5 Ecoboost.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Consensus is never reached LOL

People will just get tired of arguing about trucks in this thread, and will continue the arguments once the next truck thread is inevitably started.


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I'm a believer in the GM OHV V8s.. The surrounding truck was just not as good. If we are going to argue about simpler is better.. THAT is simpler and cheaper. Nothing about the Ford Coyote DOHC engine is cheap or simple lol. It is a nice engine though.

 

[ram78d10]

I have a 2016 2.7 EcoBoost 4x4 with 95K miles. Haven't had any problems with it. I get about 22mpg overall.

 

[pronstar]

I'm a believer in the GM OHV V8s.. The surrounding truck was just not as good. If we are going to argue about simpler is better.. THAT is simpler and cheaper. Nothing about the Ford Coyote DOHC engine is cheap or simple lol. It is a nice engine though.

I’m with you.
When you’ve made over 100,000,000 OHV V8 engines, there’s a reason for that.

How many clean-sheet V8 designs has Ford had over the same period? A lot.

Look at Toyota engines. They’re mostly older, but constantly evolving. They run forever.
And also why a Cummins in-line 6 is so great.

Do one thing, and perfect it over time [emoji106]


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[highvoltagehands]

There is a video on YouTube where they go into a ford dealer and ask the service technicians what they would own and all but 1 said the 5.0

The 5.0 is Year after year and Pound for pound the best ever all around.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I’m with you.
When you’ve made over 100,000,000 OHV V8 engines, there’s a reason for that.

How many clean-sheet V8 designs has Ford had over the same period? A lot.

Look at Toyota engines. They’re mostly older, but constantly evolving. They run forever.
And also why a Cummins in-line 6 is so great.

Do one thing, and perfect it over time [emoji106]


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The Chevy small block V8 - The Porsche 911 of engines

 

[spectras only]

My boat, 8300lbs unloaded. 2014 Ecoboost 502a tow package. Vancouver to Penticton on
up to some 9% grades, tranny temp gauge rock solid in the middle.

2016 Travel trailer 7800lbs unloaded, also not a problem.I keep the truck bone stock, no tuners or bigger tires.

 

[nameisbond]

I've decided to trade my EB in on a V8 in Nov.

 

[HALLETT BOY]

I've decided to trade my EB in on a V8 in Nov.

The GM 6.2 is a monster !

 

[HCP3]

My boat, 8300lbs unloaded. 2014 Ecoboost 502a tow package. Vancouver to Penticton on
up to some 9% grades, tranny temp gauge rock solid in the middle.
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2016 Travel trailer 7800lbs unloaded, also not a problem.I keep the truck bone stock, no tuners or bigger tires.
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How about coolant and oil temps? Don't forget to monitor those.

 

[nameisbond]

The GM 6.2 is a monster !

I look into it...….. I'm not happy with having timing chain issues on a 30k mile 2018 EB.

 

[JBS]

The GM 6.2 is a monster !

Do they gear them different in pickups? I have a 2016 Yukon Denali XL. While the 6.2 works well I have not towed more than a few thousand pounds on a double axle flatbed trailer. It pulled ok but nothing like my 2006 3/4 Ton Dodge Cummins.

The reason I ask is I am thinking of getting rid of the Denali and Dodge and going to a half or 3/4 ton pickup.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Do they gear them different in pickups? I have a 2016 Yukon Denali XL. While the 6.2 works well I have not towed more than a few thousand pounds on a double axle flatbed trailer. It pulled ok but nothing like my 2006 3/4 Ton Dodge Cummins.

The reason I ask is I am thinking of getting rid of the Denali and Dodge and going to a half or 3/4 ton pickup.

Same 3.23 gearing. You can get a 3.42 axle with the pickup maximum tow package.

With the higher end Ford Engines, (5.0 and 3.5) you can choose between, 3.15, 3.31, or 3.55.

 

[Runs2rch]

Same 3.23 gearing. You can get a 3.42 axle with the pickup maximum tow package.

With the higher end Ford Engines, (5.0 and 3.5) you can choose between, 3.15, 3.31, or 3.55.

3.42 with the same 10 speed should be nice. I have the 8 speed and it runs really well.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

3.42 with the same 10 speed should be nice. I have the 8 speed and it runs really well.

Yea that would probably run really well.

My truck has 3.55s. It rips with the 10 speed.

 

[spectras only]

How about coolant and oil temps? Don't forget to monitor those.

Rock solid. Mind you, we only get to 96-100 F at the height of summer here.
The 502a package comes with 3:73 gears for towing duty

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Rock solid. Mind you, we only get to 96-100 F at the height of summer here.
The 502a package comes with 3:73 gears for towing duty

With the 10 speed they have lowered that to 3.55s in the new trucks.

 

[Carlson-jet]

I always look at this as duty cycle. The Nearest grade I have to pull is a few miles west of St. Louis. If I pull that once a year, revving up whatever is of no concern.
I became a fan of V-6 power when My friend bought a new bone stock 88' chevy with a measly 4.3 work truck with a 5 speed manual. It wasn't that far behind the carbed 350 just a few years prior with an auto. Over the years the V-6 has increased in power and torque and along with a turbo they they have way more power stock than any mid 70's/80's stock small block 350. The 350's pulled just fine with decent gears. Now with the new transmissions they get to stay in a torque range that suites the little motors. I'm not saying they will pull a 12k load up the grapevine at 80 but unless that is the need, it seems like alot of overkill for somebody that doesn't need that on a regular basis. I'm liking where the current technology is going.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I always look at this as duty cycle. The Nearest grade I have to pull is a few miles west of St. Louis. If I pull that once a year, revving up whatever is of no concern.
I became a fan of V-6 power when My friend bought a new bone stock 88' chevy with a measly 4.3 work truck with a 5 speed manual. It wasn't that far behind the carbed 350 just a few years prior with an auto. Over the years the V-6 has increased in power and torque and along with a turbo they they have way more power stock than any mid 70's/80's stock small block 350. The 350's pulled just fine with decent gears. Now with the new transmissions they get to stay in a torque range that suites the little motors. I'm not saying they will pull a 12k load up the grapevine at 80 but unless that is the need, it seems like alot of overkill for somebody that doesn't need that on a regular basis. I'm liking where the current technology is going.

You are clearly an idiot. You need to buy a diesel 3/4 ton to tow your 7000 pound boat up a hill at idle a couple times a year and deal with poorer ride, and increased costs the rest of the time you own the truck and aren’t towing.

 

[Carlson-jet]

You are clearly an idiot. You need to buy a diesel 3/4 ton to tow your 7000 pound boat up a hill at idle a couple times a year and deal with poorer ride, and increased costs the rest of the time you own the truck and aren’t towing.

I once drove past a Motel 6 pulling a trailer with a v6.

 

[Bullhead bully]

12,500 lbs. 13,000 full of fuel and I’dt did awesome !! 35 Fountain twin 525s. It’s a Heavy girl !
I’d get a diesel if I was towing that everyday. But for local stuff it works great.

 

[spectras only]

BB, my buddy had a 35 Fountain with triple axle and towed his with a 1T diesel. Only thing you're lacking is a third axle. The F-150 does fine

 

[Motor Boater]

So I bought it. 3.5 ecoboost, max towing pkg with locker and 3.55s. Can’t wait to tow with it. Gotta figure what lift kit to put on it. Not sure what brand is the best? I’m not trying to Baja the thing, mostly be a pavement pounder and tow vehicle.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

So I bought it. 3.5 ecoboost, max towing pkg with locker and 3.55s. Can’t wait to tow with it. Gotta figure what lift kit to put on it. Not sure what brand is the best? I’m trying to Baja the thing, mostly be a pavement pounder and tow vehicle.

How high you want to go?

I did a 2 inch front spacer lift with 33s and am pretty happy.

 

[Motor Boater]

How high you want to go?

I did a 2 inch front spacer lift with 33s and am pretty happy.

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6”. I’m worried it’s gonna sag like crazy though when I tow

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

6”. I’m worried it’s gonna sag like crazy though when I tow

Yea it is going to. Might need airbags.

Yours is 4X4? The 4X4s already have a like a 1.25 inch lift from the 2WD as stock..

 

[Motor Boater]

Yea it is going to. Might need airbags.

Yours is 4X4? The 4X4s already have a like a 1.25 inch lift from the 2WD as stock..

Yes, it’s 4x4

 

[Meaney77]

How high you want to go?

I did a 2 inch front spacer lift with 33s and am pretty happy.

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Front spacer pretty easy to install? Is there a specific brand?

 

[Runs2rch]

6 inch go BDS with Fox 2.5's.

 

[Runs2rch]

Front spacer pretty easy to install? Is there a specific brand?

Very easy. Bolts to the top of the strut. Then align after.

https://www.stage3motorsports.com/6...-2-25-Front-Strut-Extension-Leveling-Kit.html

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Very easy. Bolts to the top of the strut. Then align after.

https://www.stage3motorsports.com/6...-2-25-Front-Strut-Extension-Leveling-Kit.html

This. Really easy. My advice is just get a black one, not a silver one.

Front spacer pretty easy to install? Is there a specific brand?

I did Motofab 2 inch, Black billet aluminium, $60. They make up to 3 inch spacers I believe.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I50553E/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

[Runs2rch]

This. Really easy. My advice is just get a black one, not a silver one.

I did Motofab, Black billet aluminium, $60

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I50553E/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Still in love with yours? Dragging my wife to the dealer shortly. 19 XLT 3.5 max tow.

 

[Meaney77]

This. Really easy. My advice is just get a black one, not a silver one.



I did Motofab 2 inch, Black billet aluminium, $60. They make up to 3 inch spacers I believe.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I50553E/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Very easy. Bolts to the top of the strut. Then align after.

https://www.stage3motorsports.com/6...-2-25-Front-Strut-Extension-Leveling-Kit.html

Do you notice any difference in ride quality and turning radius?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Still in love with yours? Dragging my wife to the dealer shortly. 19 XLT 3.5 max tow.

Yea It is great. no issues at all. I have 11K miles on it already.

Incidentally, I raced @Bpracing1127 in his tuned truck... The extra HP of the gen 2 3.5 engine and the 10 speed made a huge difference! I was at his back wheel off the line, and started reeling him in at 35-40. we stopped at 85 or so, and were nearly even. He would have won as mine is stock with the 106 speed limiter.

 

[Runs2rch]

Do you notice any difference in ride quality and turning radius?

Correct offset, no bulldog stance your turning radius is unaffected. Ride will be slightly firmer with any leveling spacer.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Do you notice any difference in ride quality and turning radius?

No real difference, just slightly firmer as noted. I ran these wheels and tires at the stock height for a few days, and got very light rubbing on the fender liner at full lock. No rubbing at all with the front lift now.

Get the alignment when you do the lift or right after, the toe will be way off and will kill your tires if you just run it.