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Well, welcome to the socialistic approach to the business/subcontrator restructuring program.
In the past, I was a camera technician, subcontracting during the 70's& 80's in Vancouver BC.As a subcontractor, I could do business at home and at a business. We had an agreed pay scale of 60/40, me getting 60%, doing piecework. I paid my own BC medical/dental and my taxes and deductions. I was able to deduct a small portion of my house [ one room ] and use of my vehicle, fuel and maintenance. It did work fine until, the federal and local provinces got together and got away from the long existing subcontracting policies. Was not able to do the deductions anymore, unless I did 75% of my business at home.There were numerous times during the decades with the economy tanking, but managed bouncing between local camera service companies. None of them could afford to put me on a payroll with benefits;). Pretty much all the small companies went tits up in the late 80's:(. I got a job with CREO, an upcoming company with huge promise of good work and benefits.:) It was great until, we got bought by Kodak for $1B. We got into the down spiral of the economic downturn in 2008 and went into bankruptcy protection for years.:eek: I retired 3 yrs ago from Kodak that became a shell of its former glory. Our benefits shrunk like a wiener in cold water since 2008 too.
So, welcome to the Newsom guys with old ideas from the past of our social programs in the Great White North.:p
Next deductions will be eliminated in California is the tax write off of mortgage interests on your houses and boat loan interests if you still have those.
 

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"if the worker has not established an independent trade or business."

This is exactly what I'm talking about! (I'm getting an underline and don't know why, please bear with me)

My guy, an independent carpentry contractor, works for me by the HOUR.
His time is considered an invoice as well as any receipts for materials and such. His business is independent of mine, however his trade is not.
As a class "B" general building contractor, my first trade is technically carpentry...

This is a fucking liberal lie.
Tank concrete finishers for example, they use their own tools, they are independent contractors that work for dozens, or hundreds, of employers but the state parasites say the contractor must pay them as an employee.
 

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Please elaborate how they are cutting corners. I'm not familiar with CA regs
They aren't, PBJ is just worried, as is the state, that he can't get his hands deep enough into everyone's pockets.
 

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Payroll taxes, and Work Comp, that is what this is about.

If you don’t want to be a contractor for Uber, go work for a company that hires employees, they are out there.

Money grab, period.
 
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Hopefully for all you new potential's that get reeled in somebody will offer a decent comp. provider service to help soften the pain
outside of that nightmare....State Fund. Oh, and you'll really enjoy the audits.
You know, the ones that comb through every line on your hard copy bank statements and occasionally request to view your Federal returns? Lots of fun.....and moola. Plan on it.
CSLB Licensed since 1985.
 

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It's crazy that if someone wants to work, hurdles are set up by the state. If one wants to be a homeless junkie, the state and cities roll out a yellow line on the sidewalk, look the other way at crime and pass laws to encourage them,

This is so backwards. o_O
 

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Payroll taxes, and Work Comp, that is what this is about.

If you don’t want to be a contractor for Uber, go work for a company that hires employees, they are out there.

Money grab, period.

But you can Ski and Surf in the same day!
California's Pension debt last I looked was about $1.052 Trillion.
The peoples elected officials of California will squeeze blood from a turnip if they can.
 

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Under dickface Gov’s new law, do these guys fall under 1099, W2, usd cash or pesos. Lol They already get free benies.
 

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Payroll taxes, and Work Comp, that is what this is about.

If you don’t want to be a contractor for Uber, go work for a company that hires employees, they are out there.

Money grab, period.

Exactly this, this is a way to squeeze the independent contractors for the missed payroll taxes and work comp that the state wants.
 

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Exactly this, this is a way to squeeze the independent contractors for the missed payroll taxes and work comp that the state wants.

As opposed to the money grab by business owners at the expense of exploited workers?
 

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As opposed to the money grab by business owners at the expense of exploited workers?
Lol....exploited....lol.....no one is in a straight jacket in their job. Everyone is free to quit and work just about anywhere their skill set, experience, education, and resume allows.

Someone has been listening to bullpucky for far too long.
 

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Lol....exploited....lol.....no one is in a straight jacket in their job. Everyone is free to quit and work just about anywhere their skill set, experience, education, and resume allows.

Someone has been listening to bullpucky for far too long.


But you already know this.

The distinction between genuine independent contractors and employees misclassified as independent contractors, while complicated, is a crucial matter. While the definition of misclassification is a function of a complex set of statutes and policies set forth by federal and state agencies, the effect on employees is straightforward. Misclassified employees lose workplace protections, including the right to join a union; face an increased tax burden; receive no overtime pay; and are often ineligible for unemployment insurance and disability compensation. Misclassification also causes federal, state, and local governments to suffer revenue losses as employers circumvent their tax obligations.

https://dpeaflcio.org/programs-publ...tion-of-employees-as-independent-contractors/
 

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But you already know this.

The distinction between genuine independent contractors and employees misclassified as independent contractors, while complicated, is a crucial matter. While the definition of misclassification is a function of a complex set of statutes and policies set forth by federal and state agencies, the effect on employees is straightforward. Misclassified employees lose workplace protections, including the right to join a union; face an increased tax burden; receive no overtime pay; and are often ineligible for unemployment insurance and disability compensation. Misclassification also causes federal, state, and local governments to suffer revenue losses as employers circumvent their tax obligations.

https://dpeaflcio.org/programs-publ...tion-of-employees-as-independent-contractors/

That's not exploited. It's called free choice.

This new law is nothing more than a union power and money grab.
 

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My last gig, I negotiated to be 1099.
Didn’t want to be an employee at all.


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I know, happens all the time. The tax advantages on both ends are extensive. They’re catching up.
 

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My last gig, I negotiated to be 1099.
Didn’t want to be an employee at all.


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I’m in the middle of that right now.
I was 1099 for this same outfit for 8 years. Then bounced around some.
Came back 2 years ago and everyone is employee status because some idiots filed a class action suit after they got themselves in the “do not call” list.
Fucked it up for everyone.
 

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Dave this is the same guy that registers his boat in AZ instead of CA to avoid the property tax iirc. Rules for theeee

Rod is a smart guy. He just wants corporate America and the rich subject to obsessively high tax.
 

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Rod you and yore liberal leaders go against everything this nation was built on you fu-king idiot...
Yep all of us 'Rich Business Owners' :rolleyes::D

Racey Rod acts like hes joking , but he really aint.

he has a chip on his shoulder like most city or state workers that sit in their cubicles cause their too much of pussies to work for themselves and make their own money with their their own two hands and their own brains.

come on Rodywody grow a set of balls and take loans out and start a business. make payroll , material payments, go bid on jobs and hope people accept them so you get work...

you fu-ing pussy...

and thats all this is, is a money grab and their ultimate goal is to get rid of these pesky small business owners as they offer no kickbacks and bribes to his handlers...

they want to SQUEEZE out all these little guys so they (politicians) deal with the few top dogs that know the kickback routine...

hes a fuc-ing businessaphobe


 
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Rod you and yore liberal leaders go against everything this nation was built on you fu-king idiot...


Racey Rod acts like hes joking , but he really aint.

he has a chip on his shoulder like most city or state workers that sit in their cubicles cause their too much of pussies to work for themselves and make their own money with their their own two hands and their own brains.

come on Rodywody grow a set of balls and take loans out and start a business. make payroll , material payments, go bid on jobs and hope people accept them so you get work...

you fu-ing pussy...

and thats all this is, is a money grab and their ultimate goal is to get rid of these pesky small business owners as they offer no kickbacks and bribes to his handlers...

they want to SQUEEZE out all these little guys so they (politicians) deal with the few top dogs that know the kickback routine...

hes a fuc-ing businessaphobe



I made my own money. You can’t say the same.
 

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I made my own money. You can’t say the same.

let it all out set yoreself free chip on yore shoulder ,ignorant , grass is greener bitter cubicle boy...

keep telling yoreself that and believing it , but you make that money off the back of tax payers mainly small business owners you fuc-ng snide prick


and yore still a pussy fuc-ng idiot...
 
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Rod you and yore liberal leaders go against everything this nation was built on you fu-king idiot...


Racey Rod acts like hes joking , but he really aint.

he has a chip on his shoulder like most city or state workers that sit in their cubicles cause their too much of pussies to work for themselves and make their own money with their their own two hands and their own brains.

come on Rodywody grow a set of balls and take loans out and start a business. make payroll , material payments, go bid on jobs and hope people accept them so you get work...

you fu-ing pussy...

and thats all this is, is a money grab and their ultimate goal is to get rid of these pesky small business owners as they offer no kickbacks and bribes to his handlers...

they want to SQUEEZE out all these little guys so they (politicians) deal with the few top dogs that know the kickback routine...

hes a fuc-ing businessaphobe



This is...PBJ...
 

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Temporary stay. California was telling contractors that they would be fined 10k per week if they did not convert to an employee model. 10k per week...

https://www.sfchronicle.com/busines...ia-s-landmark-gig-work-law-takes-14942512.php


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2of4Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez, D-San Diego, the author of AB5, speaks at a rally for her measure in July. Gonzalez and other supporters of her bill say workers need the benefits of being employees to prevent them from being exploited.Photo: Rich Pedroncelli / Associated Press
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3of4Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg speaks during a pro-AB5 protest outside of Uber's headquarters on Market Street in San Francisco in August.Photo: Brittany Hosea-Small / Special to The Chronicle

California’s landmark gig-work law, AB5, takes effect Wednesday amid a swirl of controversy, confusion and escalating challenges.

Gig companies, truck drivers and freelance journalists are suing over it. Hours before its implementation, truck drivers won a temporary restraining order blocking California from enforcing AB5 against them. Uber, Lyft, DoorDash, Postmates and Instacart are mounting a $110 million ballot campaign seeking to exempt their workers. Some out-of-state companies are dropping California freelancers while others are requiring them to incorporate. Some companies are reclassifying workers as employees; others are not. The law’s author plans to introduce additional legislation soon to clarify more aspects.

Despite the hoopla, AB5 will not cause legions of independent contractors to magically be transformed into employees. That requires companies to take proactive steps — or be forced to act by government agencies or courts.

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The law’s intent is simple. It codifies, clarifies and extends a 2018 California Supreme Court decision called Dynamex that makes it harder for companies to claim workers are independent contractors. It says workers should be employees unless a) they are free from a company’s control, b) do work outside the company’s core business, and c) have independent enterprises performing the same type of work.

A range of professions, including doctors, lawyers, architects, engineers, accountants and more, are exempt from the new law’s strict test and instead covered by a previous test known as Borello.

AB5’s author, Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez, D-San Diego, and other vocal supporters, such as organized labor, say workers need the protections and benefits of being employees to prevent them from being exploited.

Its equally vocal foes say it’s an end run that jeopardizes the flexibility that companies and workers rely on. It’s “irrational and unconstitutional,” Uber and Postmates wrote in a federal lawsuitfiled Monday that seeks to block AB5 from applying to them. Not coincidentally, turning contractors into employees can add about 30% to companies’ labor costs.
 

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wonder what the deal is with uber?

these guys want to destroy them.

between legislation and the attorney commercials to sue them every 2 minutes on TV.

they must have pissed off someone here or didnt kick back the right people....
 

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wonder what the deal is with uber?

these guys want to destroy them.

between legislation and the attorney commercials to sue them every 2 minutes on TV.

they must have pissed off someone here or didnt kick back the right people....

They’re preventing DUIs and costing their attorney donors potential clients.
 

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They’re preventing DUIs and costing their attorney donors potential clients.

makes sense.

knew something was up when you would see a commercial every second on TV.

usually happens when lawyers see an exploit or are being hit in the wallet...
 
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wonder what the deal is with uber?

these guys want to destroy them.

between legislation and the attorney commercials to sue them every 2 minutes on TV.

they must have pissed off someone here or didnt kick back the right people....


They're not paying cities/governments large amounts per car for operating rights like taxi's do.
 

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wonder what the deal is with uber?

these guys want to destroy them.

between legislation and the attorney commercials to sue them every 2 minutes on TV.

they must have pissed off someone here or didnt kick back the right people....
I have always wondered why taxis are regulated to the hilt yet Uber deosn't have the same regulations. I love Uber & hope it never goes away but how do they skirt the taxi laws I wonder?
 

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I have always wondered why taxis are regulated to the hilt yet Uber deosn't have the same regulations. I love Uber & hope it never goes away but how do they skirt the taxi laws I wonder?


They are regulated because they have historically petitioned the government for protection from the free market via regulations and now it has come back to bite them.

Taxi’s should not be regulated like they are. They should be allowed to compete just like Uber, Lyft and other private livery vehicle services.
 

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It's happening because the unions tugged on the leash they hold, and the California Assembly sat up and barked.

No doubt. The right to collectively bargain has sold countless boats in California during the last 60 or so years.
 

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ahhhhh yes that all thats matters the rad vette...

and now all you skinny jean, thick lens framed glasses, liberal puke millenials can pay more for their little car rides....

cant wait to see their little heads explode after they cant get their little uber car rides form their 100 sq. ft. bird lofts apartments to their little artsy places and starbucks....

their dumbphones are gonna malfunction...
 
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At least the weather is nice.

Other carriers will probably follow suit in the coming months.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fedexs-ltl-unit-imposes-california-141900604.html

FedEx Corp. (NYSE: FDX), has imposed a $7 per-shipment surcharge on all shipments moving to, from and within California, the parent company said.

The new assessment, dubbed a "California Compliance Surcharge," took effect Jan. 20. It is part of a slew of pricing adjustments at FedEx which went into force on that date. The company, which posted all of the new charges on its website, did not elaborate on the California surcharge other than to say it will be tacked on to "all other lawful charges" and will be collected from the payor of the charges. The company did not respond to a request for comment.

Transport companies serving California have been bracing for higher operating costs ever since Gov. Gavin Newsom signed the landmark AB5 bill into law last year. The law, which was scheduled to take effect Jan. 1 but has been stayed by the courts, makes it harder for companies to prove that workers are functioning as independent contractors and not as employees.

Transport companies which have long relied heavily on the independent contractor model because it is less costly than adding workers to the payroll are lobbying for an exemption from the law on grounds that state actions impacting transportation are preempted by the 1994 Federal Aviation Administration Authorization Act. The federal law overrides any state's legislation that governs a carrier's rates, routes and services. Opponents of the industry's efforts to pre-empt AB5, notably organized labor, maintain the law covers employment issues and has no effect on a provider's rates, routes and services.

FedEx Freight's parent has long experience dealing with the employee classification issue in California. Its FedEx Ground unit, which has always used contractors to haul packages, in 2016 paid about $240 million to settle class-action suits in 20 states, including California, alleging the unit had control over the drivers' workday yet classified them as independent owner-operators. The unit has since shifted to using an intermediary that employs and manages drivers who move its goods.

Besides the California surcharge, FedEx Freight has changed the weight and dimensional thresholds under which so-called minimum charges would apply. Before Monday, minimum charges applied to shipments exceeding 20,000 pounds or utilizing a linear length of 20 feet inside a trailer. That threshold has been narrowed to 15,000 pounds or utilizing a linear length of 15 feet, the company said.

The measure will likely subject more LTL shippers to minimum charges, which carriers have long used to gain pricing leverage because they typically supersede any discounted rates that have been negotiated under contract. For example, if a minimum charge on a parcel shipment is $8, and a shipper has a 25% discount on a parcel whose list price is $10, the higher minimum charge would take precedence over the discounted rate. The purpose of minimums is often contractually discounted rates less valuable to the shipper.

Most of the changes that took effect Monday are aimed at compensating FedEx for handling heavier and bulky shipments, which can be costly to process and handle, and, in the case of bulkier shipments, may generate less revenue for the carrier because they can occupy a disproportionate space inside a trailer. Perhaps the most significant change calls for "additional handling" surcharges to be imposed on all FedEx Express and FedEx Ground deliveries of shipments weighing more than 50 pounds. Before, the surcharge applied to shipments weighing 70 pounds or more.
 

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That’s the beauty of it Jussie...you’re such an easy mark I don’t even have to try.
I know it’s easy being Reegies submissive bitch but sooner or later Reegies gonna want you up on all fours!
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I know it’s easy being Reegies submissive bitch but sooner or later Reegies gonna want you up on all fours!
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That’s just a dumb post, but we are used to that from you. There is no group of people trying to keep you down, certainly I have never participated in a conversation about you with anyone. I have never met Regor or any other posters here in person.

You are literally like dog shit on peoples shoes...annoying at best and you smell.

You are not worthy of a response Jussie. Acknowledging you makes you exist here and that is all you live for.

Good luck dog shit.
 

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You are literally like dog shit on peoples shoes...annoying at best and you smell.

You are not worthy of a response Jussie. Acknowledging you makes you exist here and that is all you live for.

Good luck dog shit.
But you did!;)
Go meet some real life posters then report back otherwise your just another keyboard cowboy!
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