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Totalitarian liberal state. Socialists masquerading as environmentalists won't let power plants be built near the users.
On the Indian Reservations in the SW note the compact, clean burning, super reliable and efficient jet powered power plants close to the users.
It'll never happen in Nor Cali.
Burbank Water and Power has one in the middle of the San Fernando Valley that they NEVER use. I was told it's too costly to start and stop as much that would be needed to adjust with the load.Totalitarian liberal state. Socialists masquerading as environmentalists won't let power plants be built near the users.
On the Indian Reservations in the SW note the compact, clean burning, super reliable and efficient jet powered power plants close to the users.
It'll never happen in Nor Cali.
Burbank Water and Power has one in the middle of the San Fernando Valley that they NEVER use. I was told it's too costly to start and stop as much that would be needed to adjust with the load.
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That's it. I'm glad they are always running it. It wasn't that way for quiet a while after it was installed. I had a buddy that worked there and we'd ask him about it and he'd keep us updated for when they actually fired it.If your talking about the Plant thats at the HQ's in Burbank, that plant is always running.
Google SCPPA or SCAPPA.... it will tell you all you want to know about the SoCal Munis and the Power Plants they own / operate.
Thats a great plant, I wish SoCal had many more just like it... Its truly needed above and beyond Burbanks needs...
Pretty much all Natural Gas plants are "Gas Turbines" which are basically air plane motors that are re designed to run on Natural Gas.
It is the lowest cost of Power Generation today....
That's it. I'm glad they are always running it. It wasn't that way for quiet a while after it was installed. I had a buddy that worked there and we'd ask him about it and he'd keep us updated for when they actually fired it.
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If your talking about the Plant thats at the HQ's in Burbank, that plant is always running.
Google SCPPA or SCAPPA.... it will tell you all you want to know about the SoCal Munis and the Power Plants they own / operate.
Thats a great plant, I wish SoCal had many more just like it... Its truly needed above and beyond Burbanks needs...
Pretty much all Natural Gas plants are "Gas Turbines" which are basically air plane motors that are re designed to run on Natural Gas.
It is the lowest cost of Power Generation today....
Not all of them. Cat and a few others do a steady business selling reciprocating generation.
In my world, CAT is not a player at all.... in my world... 50Mega Watts is about the smallest built. GE has some of the most efficient Turbines at that size and has for awhile.
This is Utility Scale generation, not Industrial Generation..
CATs run on diesel as far as I know, and they do not build Nat Gas Turbines... please correct me if I am wrong, if so, thats info I need to know.
THe key reason why that is important is ROI... Return on Investment. Natural gas is cheap compared to deisel... thats not even factoring the emissions. If Utility's burn diesel for generation, then they have to buy emission credits from the Fed Gov, which is basically a fine for using a "Polluting" technology.
Believe it or not, Catalina Island is ran on Diesel Generation... but its a very small load.. like 5-6MW peak. The cost re place all the equipment with Nat Gas, would be a 100 year return on that investment. So SCE just keeps paying the $$$ to run diesel. I proposed a Submarine Power Cable from Long Beach to Catalina laying on the bottom of the ocean many years ago. At that time the ROI was 4-5 years. The Public Utility Commission wouldnt approve it in the rate case. Stupid politicians. That was an easy project with win/win/win for everyone....
Saves SCE rate payers $$$
Higher reliability of electricity to the residents of Catalina
Green Technology replacing Deisel, lower emissions.
Maybe one of the solar experts can chime in on this but what happens with all of the residential solar powered systems that are supposedly feeding power back into the system when the power is turned off? Do the homes have some sort of an automatic switch that senses when the power is out that switches off so power doesn't go into the system?
I have also heard that California is not going to allow off grid systems any longer. If this is correct it really makes you wonder why? Especially if these forced outages continue.
Maybe one of the solar experts can chime in on this but what happens with all of the residential solar powered systems that are supposedly feeding power back into the system when the power is turned off? Do the homes have some sort of an automatic switch that senses when the power is out that switches off so power doesn't go into the system?
I have also heard that California is not going to allow off grid systems any longer. If this is correct it really makes you wonder why? Especially if these forced outages continue.
If you are ever out in Chicago, let me know, we are always proud to show the plant off. You can call it a sales call.
I'm manager of electric operations for a municipality west of Chicago.
Really, I think the IEEE T&D Show is in Chicago in May of 2020... I will be there... I assume you will be there????
Maybe there is a bourbon or 5 in our future.
I have been all over the country in the power industry and have never been to a city that wanted the gas fired combined cycle plant. The higher income people will do everything possible to block the local generation. Local generation goes into the grid and supplies a much larger area than the location of the plant.Totalitarian liberal state. Socialists masquerading as environmentalists won't let power plants be built near the users.
On the Indian Reservations in the SW note the compact, clean burning, super reliable and efficient jet powered power plants close to the users.
It'll never happen in Nor Cali.
Do you ever go to Power Gen. Great show.I haven't paid attention, but if it is we'll have to meet up at some point.
Do you ever go to Power Gen. Great show.
I always like my direct reports to go to all the shows they could. It really helps them see what is going on outside their fence.No, our travel budget is very limited and almost all out of state travel is denied. There are a few shows I'd like to get to, I just have to wait until (if) they come to Illinois.
Couldn’t agree more. Have my team spend one day a month rotating with people on our team. The other 3 months with someone outside our area. Teaching others what you do is good. Seeing what others in your position are doing ensures you don’t believe your own BS. Best thing I’ve done..I always like my direct reports to go to all the shows they could. It really helps them see what is going on outside their fence.
So let me get this straight, CA government dictates a limit on rate increases, CA government dictates wage/insurance/compliance costs, CA govt dictates can't go in and cut trees in preventative measure, CA government dictates that fires started by utilities are the liability of the utility..... So they back the utility into a corner and then everyone blames the utility for saying 'Fuck it' the only reasonable way to navigate this red tape is to shut the power off....
This is exactly what CA voted for.
In other news, it looks like CA is losing another large business soon: https://www.reviewjournal.com/local...ith-developer-convicted-of-tax-fraud-1590994/
Burbank Water and Power has one in the middle of the San Fernando Valley that they NEVER use. I was told it's too costly to start and stop as much that would be needed to adjust with the load.
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So let me get this straight, CA government dictates a limit on rate increases, CA government dictates wage/insurance/compliance costs, CA govt dictates can't go in and cut trees in preventative measure, CA government dictates that fires started by utilities are the liability of the utility..... So they back the utility into a corner and then everyone blames the utility for saying 'Fuck it' the only reasonable way to navigate this red tape is to shut the power off....
This is exactly what CA voted for.
In other news, it looks like CA is losing another large business soon: https://www.reviewjournal.com/local...ith-developer-convicted-of-tax-fraud-1590994/
Most the In Basin plants like Burbank were being converted over to combine cycle.
That means the efficient Jet fired generators are installed on premise to power air cooled generators and the hot jet engine exhaust gasses are used to make steam that will roll the old turbines at the plant. Fantastic system.
LADWP did it at Valley Generating Station and Harbor Generation station.
It all stopped when Jerry Brown re entered the governor's office.
What a stupid headline. Haas paid his debt to society over ten years ago, he's bringing jobs that will benefit Las Vegas, and all the schmuck reporter talks about is Haas's legal troubles.
This society we live in gets more fucked up every day.
The city of San Luis Obispo is actually passing some crap to get natural gas furnaces removed from the city limits via incentives. Yet their electricity is stupid high and Diablo (damn near next door) is getting shutting down.California and New York are intentionally screwing their citizens by removing natural gas as a power source for new power plant builds. Soon there's going to be a huge winter storm that will illustrate the folly of dependence on solar and wind power.
When people freeze to death because there's no gas for power and heating, maybe they'll wake up.
What a stupid headline. Haas paid his debt to society over ten years ago, he's bringing jobs that will benefit Las Vegas, and all the schmuck reporter talks about is Haas's legal troubles.
This society we live in gets more fucked up every day.
Ding ding ding we have a winner.This was talked about and planned for, 40 years ago. The money for maintenance went to managers and stock holders. I was there and pushed back along with almost every other employee. Anytime you delay maintenance in your car, boat, homes, schools, roads, utilities and what ever, it comes back and bites you in the ass. There's not one working man here that can't tell you in detail what the outcome will be.
I know as a small contractor is .ca, it's impossible too follow all the rules and make it. Hell, even know all the rules is a huge task. At one point I had 13 plumbing cards. Every municipality had thier own card. You would think the one for Sacramento county would be good the entire county. Nope, needed one for sac city, Rancho Cordova, citrus heights and all unincorporated areas. Placer, Eldorado and Yolo counties were similar. At least yolo county the card was good every where other then davis. Most of you had one from a "approved" municipality, you did not have too test. Just give us $25-100 a year.Bastard probably had to commit tax fraud just to operate in CA.
As far as the rest of Raceys post it’s right on the money, as always.
What a stupid headline. Haas paid his debt to society over ten years ago, he's bringing jobs that will benefit Las Vegas, and all the schmuck reporter talks about is Haas's legal troubles.
This society we live in gets more fucked up every day.
Why didn't they say Haas was "justice affected" and move on?? Oh yea, hes an old white guy.
NorCal Man on Oxygen Died Minutes After Power Shutdown
https://ktla.com/2019/10/11/norcal-...Fmn_pa3UDXKSmyhAT0mhuiHdwneBxJ7iCUakv-ErVNX9o
NorCal Man on Oxygen Died Minutes After Power Shutdown
https://ktla.com/2019/10/11/norcal-...Fmn_pa3UDXKSmyhAT0mhuiHdwneBxJ7iCUakv-ErVNX9o
NorCal Man on Oxygen Died Minutes After Power Shutdown
https://ktla.com/2019/10/11/norcal-...Fmn_pa3UDXKSmyhAT0mhuiHdwneBxJ7iCUakv-ErVNX9o
First and most important. May he RIP. And prayers to his family.
Why. Knowing you are on oxygen would you not be prepared when you knew the chances of power being shut off were about 100%. And then fuck newscum and his comments.
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This might be the same person. This family was ready but the power went off in the middle of the night and no one knew until it was too late. Let the lawsuits begin.
https://fox40.com/2019/10/11/polloc...n-oxygen-tank-lost-power-during-pge-shut-off/
NorCal Man on Oxygen Died Minutes After Power Shutdown
https://ktla.com/2019/10/11/norcal-...Fmn_pa3UDXKSmyhAT0mhuiHdwneBxJ7iCUakv-ErVNX9o
The family is full of shit and the fake media is selling it to all buyers.This might be the same person. This family was ready but the power went off in the middle of the night and no one knew until it was too late. Let the lawsuits begin.
https://fox40.com/2019/10/11/polloc...n-oxygen-tank-lost-power-during-pge-shut-off/