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I look at that picture and just think over heating going up Cajon or Chiriaco summit. It probably still has P rated tires instead of LT tires so there is a blow out waiting to happen and probably a roll over. If not that, those aluminum wheels don't look to strong and will probably break and then roll. The engine may have X amount of HP and a transmission with 10 gears but take a look at the rest of the truck. Towing that setup up 395 to Mammoth in 100* weather with 35mph cross winds would suck. I did it with a SRW F350 psd and similar trailer and will never again do that.
Because I can lift it doesn't mean I should,
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well I did and lots of other things that I shouldn't have and now I have the back of a 75yo. Just because it can tow it doesn't mean it should.
 

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I look at that picture and just think over heating going up Cajon or Chiriaco summit. It probably still has P rated tires instead of LT tires so there is a blow out waiting to happen and probably a roll over. If not that, those aluminum wheels don't look to strong and will probably break and then roll. The engine may have X amount of HP and a transmission with 10 gears but take a look at the rest of the truck. Towing that setup up 395 to Mammoth in 100* weather with 35mph cross winds would suck. I did it with a SRW F350 psd and similar trailer and will never again do that.

Funny thing, the 13,200# tow rating is specifically WITH those wheels.
 

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I have a 99 f 350 dialysis diesel. 4” lift 35 “ tires. Leather interior. Power windows and power locks. I towed a two seadoo trailer to Laughlin once. Never do it again. The rear window switch stoped working. Scared the hell out of me. Thought I was going to crash !!!!!!!! Omg.
Lol.
 

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I bought a f450 for heavy towing and a f150 for running around or light towing. Problem solved .
 

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I don’t know what to tell you if you don’t believe the mfg trailer ratings. They aren’t lying about them. You still need to be careful and use (un)common sense.

You are much safer towing 13k with a brand new half ton than you are towing 10k with a 15 year old 3/4 ton.

That last line is pure bullshit
 

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Aside from maybe the rear axle there is no part of a 15 year old 3/4 ton truck that is more capable or robust than a modern 1/2 ton. That is why a modern 1/2 ton can tow as much as a 15 year old 3/4 ton.
Except for the weight of a 1/2 ton vs a heavy duty. My 1500 ram is rated to tow over 10k and the paper in the door from when it was shipped claims it weighs just over 5k lbs. All my buddies with diesels claim their trucks weigh 7-8k. I would feel a lot safe using my buddies LBZ to tow 10-12k than my Ram lol
 

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I drag my 2018 cyclone 4200 around with my 99 g 350 super duty dually.
Hitch =3525
Gross=20,000
Dry =15725
From their website.
Wind rain hills up or down. Doesn’t matter. Tows awesome. Doesn’t get pushed around. Never think twice about hooking up and heading out.
 

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Aside from maybe the rear axle there is no part of a 15 year old 3/4 ton truck that is more capable or robust than a modern 1/2 ton. That is why a modern 1/2 ton can tow as much as a 15 year old 3/4 ton.

You know that is horseshit, I know that is horseshit, Keep telling yourself all you want but it still isn't true.

I'll put my 78, 97, 07 up against any new 1/2 ton
 

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Except for the weight of a 1/2 ton vs a heavy duty. My 1500 ram is rated to tow over 10k and the paper in the door from when it was shipped claims it weighs just over 5k lbs. All my buddies with diesels claim their trucks weigh 7-8k. I would feel a lot safe using my buddies LBZ to tow 10-12k than my Ram lol


Weight is only one factor.. that is more weight that needs to be controlled properly.

My friends 06 extended cab 2wd Duramax is 6000 and change.

The SAE standards for towing are just that.. standards. It is not an arbitrary number.
 

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You know that is horseshit, I know that is horseshit, Keep telling yourself all you want but it still isn't true.

I'll put my 78, 97, 07 up against any new 1/2 ton

Go ahead if you want to. I could cave in the C channel frame of your 78 just by jacking it up wrong.. but I’m sure it will tow better than a 40 year newer truck. :rolleyes:
 
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Aside from maybe the rear axle there is no part of a 15 year old 3/4 ton truck that is more capable or robust than a modern 1/2 ton. That is why a modern 1/2 ton can tow as much as a 15 year old 3/4 ton.

The curb weight on a 2019 4x4 F150 is 4928 lbs. My old 1987 3/4 ton 4x4 GMC weighed 4700 pounds according to the scale at the local landfill. Big misconception out there about older trucks being heavier. The frame and axles under a new 1/2 ton are huge compared to the old trucks.

That said, I'm a big fan of duallys for towing heavy, no comparison when it comes to stability. Anyone who has never actually towed with a dually doesn't know what they are missing.
 

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The curb weight on a 2019 4x4 F150 is 4928 lbs. My old 1987 3/4 ton 4x4 GMC weighed 4700 pounds according to the scale at the local landfill. Big misconception out there about older trucks being heavier. The frame and axles under a new 1/2 ton are huge compared to the old trucks.

That said, I'm a big fan of duallys for towing heavy, no comparison when it comes to stability. Anyone who has never actually towed with a dually doesn't know what they are missing.

Why would you bring facts into a discussion about towing?
 

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Weight is only one factor.. that is more weight that needs to be controlled properly.

I think your buddies are full of shit. My friends 06 extended cab 2wd Duramax is just over 6000 lbs.

The SAE standards for towing are just that.. standards. It is not an arbitrary number.
The heavier the truck the more control you are going to have over the trailer. And this is coming from a guy who grew up riding in his dads 98 expedition with a 4.6 towing a toy hauler that weighed 6.5k dry, probably pushing 8-9k loaded for the desert. My Ram was rated to tow more than my buddies 99 7.3 dually and I would give him shit all the time, but anyone who thinks my truck or a similar 1/2 ton could actually tow better than a 2000s diesel is stoned.
 

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All this talk about the trucks ability leaves out the most important factor when towing....the driver. IMO, 99% of the general population doesn't have the skills to safely tow anything over 10,000 lbs. regardless of the truck. Most people can barely keep their Prius in their own lane!
 

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How come no one talks about towing with a Silverado (1500)? :p
Cause they tow great. My 2018 tows and handles better than the 2006 2500HD I sold few months back and gets better MPG doing so. Rated for 9200 lbs with the small motor but mainly my river runner launch vehicle.
 

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All this talk about the trucks ability leaves out the most important factor when towing....the driver. IMO, 99% of the general population doesn't have the skills to safely tow anything over 10,000 lbs. regardless of the truck. Most people can barely keep their Prius in their own lane!
My first time towing was to Echo in high school. Borrowed my Moms astro van with a 4.3 in it and towed our 25' family camper loaded up with beer and van filled with friends. The wind on the 10 was white knuckle drive. Got home sold my Mazda truck and bought a Dually. What a difference.
 
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Aside from maybe the rear axle there is no part of a 15 year old 3/4 ton truck that is more capable or robust than a modern 1/2 ton. That is why a modern 1/2 ton can tow as much as a 15 year old 3/4 ton.


I could hook up to the back of your 1/2 ton and drag it around like a little kids pull toy with my 20 year old uncapable or un robust old truck. Let me know when your new truck has 500,000 miles on it and still dragging shit back and forth East to west and is a daily driver :D:D:D:D
 

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I could hook up to the back of your 1/2 ton and drag it around like a little kids pull toy with my 20 year old uncapable or un robust old truck. Let me know when your new truck has 500,000 miles on it and still dragging shit back and forth East to west and is a daily driver :D:D:D:D

I’m not sure you’d ever be able to catch me considering it tops out at 52 MPH and you can’t pass a gas station :)
 

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I’m not sure you’d ever be able to catch me considering it tops out at 52 MPH and you can’t pass a gas station :)


You talking about top speed. Not towing. You are replying to the wring thread. But I can run down the freeway at 90 plus if I want to. But it’s not made for that. Just like your car with a big trunk is not made for towing a big load. :cool:
 

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I could hook up to the back of your 1/2 ton and drag it around like a little kids pull toy with my 20 year old uncapable or un robust old truck. Let me know when your new truck has 500,000 miles on it and still dragging shit back and forth East to west and is a daily driver :D:D:D:D
FACT:
My ecoboost will out accelerate, out brake and get better gas mileage than your 20 year old truck
 

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You talking about top speed. Not towing. You are replying to the wring thread. But I can run down the freeway at 90 plus if I want to. But it’s not made for that. Just like your car with a big trunk is not made for towing a big load. :cool:

We are talking about towing 10-13k lbs here. Not 15k, 20k or 30k lbs.
 

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Earlier this year we towed our 24’ spectra to Lake Powell from its storage unit in Vegas. The boat on the trailer weighs around 7,000lbs. It towed fine, but the 5.7 hemi sounded like it was going to blow up going up some of those hills. Going down some of the steep hills would have felt more comfortable in a heavier truck.
It was a rental, so I didn’t mind pushing it a little. [emoji23]




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You know that is horseshit, I know that is horseshit, Keep telling yourself all you want but it still isn't true.

I'll put my 78, 97, 07 up against any new 1/2 ton
Unless you have a 07 Duramax I will take that challenge with my new little truck. If all 3 are gassers you are kidding yourself.
 

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FACT:
My ecoboost will out accelerate, out brake and get better gas mileage than your 20 year old truck


Fact. Good for you. My truck has already lasted longer than you “new truck “ will be on the road. It will fall apart just like the rest of the new trucks. Like I said. 500,000 on the clock. Call me when you can say that. You will sell it way before you get close. :D:cool: A tow thread gets started and next thing it’s about drag racing and gas mileage. What ever. :confused:
 

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Earlier this year we towed our 24’ spectra to Lake Powell from its storage unit in Vegas. The boat on the trailer weighs around 7,000lbs. It towed fine, but the 5.7 hemi sounded like it was going to blow up going up some of those hills. Going down some of the steep hills would have felt more comfortable in a heavier truck.
It was a rental, so I didn’t mind pushing it a little. [emoji23]

Looks like a base truck likely with freeway flyer tall gearing. Just floor that Fiat with confidence!

You aren’t going to tow with a gasser at 1500 RPM. It will be a turd.
 

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At times my Attitude was close to 10k loaded. Mainly to Pismo and Glamis, a few to the outlets and soggy dry. Rock solid at 60/65. 70 plus was ok but more comfortable at 65.Preferred to roll at 62, chippies didn't look twice except to see the bad ass Tundra. The 6 speed on the 07 Tundra works well for speed control. Tow ratings went up on the others as they lightened the trucks. My new travel trailer has a gross of 6k and a smaller profile. Tows well at any speed.
The driver is the key factor in all situations regardless of the truck.
 

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Fact. Good for you. My truck has already lasted longer than you “new truck “ will be on the road. It will fall apart just like the rest of the new trucks. Like I said. 500,000 on the clock. Call me when you can say that. You will sell it way before you get close. :D:cool: A tow thread gets started and next thing it’s about drag racing and gas mileage. What ever. :confused:

Using your logic, it’s a towing thread, not a longevity thread. No one cares that your truck has half a million miles on it and you had to pull the seat springs out of your ass :) We are talking about recreational towing moderate amounts here. Modern 1/2 tons can do the job, period.
 

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To show how meaningless “ton” ratings are...here’s some 1-ton trucks that I’ll gladly choose my Silverado over for towing.

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Here’s a good vid on how tow ratings are derived:


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It’s not like many of us on here just woke up in our 50s just towing for our first time in new 1/2 ton trucks... most of us owned all those 80s and 90s 3/4 to 1 tons... that we’re rated to tow 10k or less. Having owned driven and towed with them we know why they were only 10k trucks. I have to much to lose to be the guy who gets in an accident with a 99 f350 rated at 10k towing a 15k toyhualer. You hurt anyone you better lawyer up.
 

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FWIW, my 2014 steel body F-150 supercrew with short box,502a Max tow with 3:73 axle, weighs 5.687 lbs unloaded, 7.650 loaded.The difference in tow capacity with 3:55 vs 3:73 is quite large. 9600lbs for the 3:55 and 11.200lbs for the 3:73. A 4:10 gear is also available for the Ecoboost.:)My boat boat/trailer weighs 8.300 unloaded, travel trailer 7850 unloaded. TT is rated to load up to 9600 but weighed near 10.000 on the scale.Truck's brake rotors are 13.8". Both, T trailer and boat has Dexter HD brakes on all axles, that's more than adequate to stop the rigs. If anyone, including Canuck1,;) knows the mountain passes between Vancouver to Penticton, there are more hills with steep grades than the entire country has. I barely ever go into 3rd gear to muster pulling either my boat or trailer anywhere. One of those steep hills at the snow shed on the Coquihalla highway, my truck maintains 55 mph pulling uphill, no problem. The Ecoboom as some here calls it, giving full torque at below 3000 rpm. :) I towed my 24 Spectra with 2500 Ford diesel, it was a dog, compared to my 1998 5.2L Grand Cherokee.:eek: However, that 7.3 diesel would outlast the rest of the truck.:p
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A 15 year old truck towing at its limit, versus a new truck towing at its limit.

I’ll take the new truck every time.


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I had a gas 2000 F550 I sold after I got the new gas 2500HD. It tows better and gets more than double the MPG towing or not.

Trying to compare old trucks to the new is no comparison. My 07 F450 would struggle with 14k load. New are rated to tow 32,500 lbs. Apples and oranges.
 

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Cause they tow great. My 2018 tows and handles better than the 2006 2500HD I sold few months back and gets better MPG doing so. Rated for 9200 lbs with the small motor but mainly my river runner launch vehicle.

Heaviest I’ve been, was 7500 lbs in my dump trailer.
Pulled it fine...it’s no dually diesel and the motor needs to rev, but that’s what it’s designed to do.

No complaints at all.

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What the towing police have, that the rest of you don't have is...

Seat time towing a trailer.

It's all fine and dandy on a flat road on a sunny day. So pick up a half ton and roll!

But...

Trailer brakes can and do fail. Then what?

Day turns to night, and your headlights are pointed to the sky, then what?

Sunny days turn to monsoon rain and winds, that try to blow you right off the road, then what?

Sure, eq and sway bars double your hitch strength. But did you know you are supposed to remove em when you leave the pavement? Ever seen what happens to even a one ton truck frame if you don't? Is the truck/hitch/receiver/ball rated for the non eq load?

Ever seen what happens when a fifth wheel trailer hits the bed of the truck, when you try and tow a 5th wheel off road?

And how many of you know the difference between advertised towing weight and a combined vehicle weight rating? And how one effects the other one? Which one takes precedence? How to calculate the one that does? How do you find out what these numbers are for YOUR truck?

The towing police know how all these things work in the real world from experience and educating themselves. Not from reading opinions online.

Use the brains your mamma gave you. Use some common sense. Learn everything you need to know to make wise decisions.

The people you love most, are depending on you, to keep them safe, no matter what the world throws your way.

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What the towing police have, that the rest of you don't have is...

Seat time towing a trailer.

It's all fine and dandy on a flat road on a sunny day. So pick up a half ton and roll!

But...

Trailer brakes can and do fail. Then what?

Day turns to night, and your headlights are pointed to the sky, then what?

Sunny days turn to monsoon rain and winds, that try to blow you right off the road, then what?

Sure, eq and sway bars double your hitch strength. But did you know you are supposed to remove em when you leave the pavement? Ever seen what happens to even a one ton truck frame if you don't? Is the truck/hitch/receiver/ball rated for the non eq load?

Ever seen what happens when a fifth wheel trailer hits the bed of the truck, when you try and tow a 5th wheel off road?

And how many of you know the difference between advertised towing weight and a combined vehicle weight rating? And how one effects the other one? Which one takes precedence? How to calculate the one that does? How do you find out what these numbers are for YOUR truck?

The towing police know how all these things work in the real world from experience and educating themselves. Not from reading opinions online.

Use the brains your mamma gave you. Use some common sense. Learn everything you need to know to make wise decisions.

The people you love most, are depending on you, to keep them safe, no matter what the world throws your way.

Peace!
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Heaviest I’ve been, was 7500 lbs in my dump trailer.
Pulled it fine...it’s no dually diesel and the motor needs to rev, but that’s what it’s designed to do.

No complaints at all.

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Nice dump trailer. Best investment i ever made bought new in 03 now I have 3 . 2 Carson 1 PJ. I have not towed 1 with the 1500 loaded yet.
 

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Why does everybody argue about how much you can tow , that is meaningless what you should be concerned about is the GCVWR = Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating ! So load up the trailer with all the gear and supplies and the pulling vehicle with all it's gear , passengers , full of fuel then go weight it . It's not all about how much you can tow it's the GCVWR that is most important .
 
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Why does everybody argue about how much you can tow , that is meaningless what you should be concerned about is the GCVWR = Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating !
I checked out the new 6500 at work truck show. No where was it tagged with GCWR and not 1 sales rep knew or could find it in there literature or online. I see trucks all the time in CA with 45k weight stickers an they are 30k GVWR as I own the same. They told me to declare the weight if I buy but could not tell me the GCWR only the GVWR which was stamped on door.

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Nice dump trailer. Best investment i ever made bought new in 03 now I have 3 . 2 Carson 1 PJ. I have not towed 1 with the 1500 loaded yet.

Yeah I’ve had it for just a few weeks and it’s already paying for itself. Should have bought it sooner.

Going rate is $300 a load and I’m not even in the hauling business LOL


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I checked out the new 6500 at work truck show. No where was it tagged with GCWR and not 1 sales rep knew or could find it in there literature or online. I see trucks all the time in CA with 45k weight stickers an they are 30k GVWR as I own the same. They told me to declare the weight if I buy but could not tell me the GCWR only the GVWR which was stamped on door.

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Well if they're running a 45k weight sticker good luck with that , think about it single axle semi with single semi trailer can only can be at a GVCW of 52,000 . Now tell me which one you would like to have doing a emergency stop behind your family vehicle .
 

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Well if they're running a 45k weight sticker good luck with that , think about it single axle semi with single semi trailer can only can be at a GVCW of 52,000 . Now tell me which one you would like to have doing a emergency stop behind your family vehicle .
I hear ya. That F650 I posted is 50k GCWR compared to a F350 that is 40k GCWR it is much more truck. It weighed 13k lbs empty the F350 8700 lbs.
 

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:eek:Oh no. Not lawyers now. Most only tow you boat 2 miles down the toad to the lake. 1/2 ton. Good for you.
Using your logic, it’s a towing thread, not a longevity thread. No one cares that your truck has half a million miles on it and you had to pull the seat springs out of your ass :) We are talking about recreational towing moderate amounts here. Modern 1/2 tons can do the job, period.

Yup. Towing not longevity. Just because I kept my truck longer than anything you kept ahold of doesn’t mean it’s worn out. I take care of my stuff. Sorry. No springs in my ass unlike your head in yours. You have no idea about my equipment or who I am. Tow with what ever you want. Over load your 1/2 ton pos and you also will need a lawyer. I see people towing with a Honda Civic. As per your logic. It does it period. And I didn’t ask if anybody cared.
 

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My fucking God! The SAE test used to establish tow ratings is not some slouch of a test. It's a real world test with inclines, declines and many other components to it. But hey, let's call all those engineers idiots cause they don't have the experience pulling as the all mighty towing police have here.

Nothing says I'm an arrogant asshole like arguing you're smarter than the hundreds of engineers that have established these tests and ratings just because you "have thousands of miles of towing experience" under your ass.

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:eek:Oh no. Not lawyers now. Most only tow you boat 2 miles down the toad to the lake. 1/2 ton. Good for you.


Yup. Towing not longevity. Just because I kept my truck longer than anything you kept ahold of doesn’t mean it’s worn out. I take care of my stuff. Sorry. No springs in my ass unlike your head in yours. You have no idea about my equipment or who I am. Tow with what ever you want. Over load your 1/2 ton pos and you also will need a lawyer. I see people towing with a Honda Civic. As per And I didn’t ask if anybody cared.
:eek:Oh no. Not lawyers now. Most only tow you boat 2 miles down the toad to the lake. 1/2 ton. Good for you.


Yup. Towing not longevity. Just because I kept my truck longer than anything you kept ahold of doesn’t mean it’s worn out. I take care of my stuff. Sorry. No springs in my ass unlike your head in yours. You have no idea about my equipment or who I am. Tow with what ever you want. Over load your 1/2 ton pos and you also will need a lawyer. I see people towing with a Honda Civic. As per your logic. It does it period. And I didn’t ask if anybody cared.


No one here said anything about an overloaded truck, or an overloaded Honda Civic.

And since you didn’t ask, no one cares. Enjoy your old truck.
 
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