CA public schools going to shit

[Ziggy]

These events will still happen, just be called something different. If you are still there, you’ll still go.

Happy holidays Buddah-Rabi-St Nicolaus

 

[Singleton]

My wife has gotten pretty wrapped up in the PTA at my daughters school- She works full time and still is actively involved, its a big commitment. When she gets home from PTA Meetings, her head is absolutely spinning from all of the other stay at home moms who complain about how busy they are and all of the problems they are faced with throughout thed day... Its a joke they need jobs, she runs circles around them.

Anyway- I know they have also struggled with these events in our district as well. They did a way with the father daughter dances- because not all daughters have dads and they dont want to exclude them. The reality is that not every kid is equal, each one has their own circumstances but its how you and your kid choose to deal with each situation. My kids dont have grand fathers (both dead) so should we complain that we are offended about any sort of grand parents day event? Or should I be offended because I dont have any sons and the fact that any sort of mother/Son event is offensive and exclusionary?

They did away with any sort of Veterans Day acknowledgement (no longer educating kids on the day). No longer any acknowledgement of 9/11 and what its about either.

My wife is the black sheep in the group, she is the one arguing that we need to acknowledge all of these events- this is history. Also arguing that we need to keep all of the father/daughter, Mom/son events.

Our society has completely lost its mind and is to stuck on keeping everyone happy and being PC. Life is tough, its not always fair- kids and parents need to learn how to deal with it.

Feel the same way.
Last year for the mother/son and father/daughter events, I worked with Camp Pendleton and every military child who had a parent overseas or not at home had a full dressed Marine show up and escort them to the dance.

 

[dribble]

I’m thinking that now girls who don’t have dads can be included in these school functions as well as boys who don’t have moms. When it comes public education we have far bigger issues than a new policy that allows kids (who aren’t fortunate enough to come from a solid nuclear family) to not be excluded.

 

[Done-it-again]

This February was the last year of the father daughter dance put on by the school. But was listed as any male figure in the girls life, so brother, grandfather, etc.

But a mother still complained to the school and threatened to sue if it wasn't changed as it wasn't fair to her daughter..... So they caved after a few years....

Not sure what or if anything is taking its place, we shall see.

My twin 7yr daughters are pretty upset as they had lots of fun dressing up and going out.

 

[BONER]

Put your kid in Basis or Great hearts. Its free.

I should pull him completely out of School and take him to work with me. Give him some REAL Education.

 

[Cole Trickle]

Who cares.....

The world isn't black and white regardless of what you believe and think there are people that see and feel gray.

If the kids are getting a good education in a system that allows the child to make there own choices and doesn't push them to a side I'm fine with it. It's our job as a parent to teach these kids values and how to thrive in this world.....If you think hiding them in a conservative church based system is the way you are fooling yourself when they hit the real world.

People don't become gay or trans (parents teaching there kid a certain way is disgusting and you should never be able to transition until after say age 25 when the brain is fully developed)......They are born that way and we are just now at a time where they can stand up and speak there mind. Unfortunately there are rude loud people just like every other group.

How many gay 60 year old men/women do you think we all know that have kids and act like they hate homosexuals.....I think the numbers would blow your mind.

 

[rivermobster]

Who cares.....

The world isn't black and white regardless of what you believe and think there are people that see and feel gray.

If the kids are getting a good education in a system that allows the child to make there own choices and doesn't push them to a side I'm fine with it. It's our job as a parent to teach these kids values and how to thrive in this world.....If you think hiding them in a conservative church based system is the way you are fooling yourself when they hit the real world.

People don't become gay or trans (parents teaching there kid a certain way is disgusting and you should never be able to transition until after say age 25 when the brain is fully developed)......They are born that way and we are just now at a time where they can stand up and speak there mind. Unfortunately there are rude loud people just like every other group.

How many gay 60 year old men/women do you think we all know that have kids and act like they hate homosexuals.....I think the numbers would blow your mind.

Are you Really trying to say that Parents are responsible for how their kids behave, and not the schools they go to???

Jezuz what a concept!!! Who knew!!!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Who cares.....

The world isn't black and white regardless of what you believe and think there are people that see and feel gray.

If the kids are getting a good education in a system that allows the child to make there own choices and doesn't push them to a side I'm fine with it. It's our job as a parent to teach these kids values and how to thrive in this world.....If you think hiding them in a conservative church based system is the way you are fooling yourself when they hit the real world.

People don't become gay or trans (parents teaching there kid a certain way is disgusting and you should never be able to transition until after say age 25 when the brain is fully developed)......They are born that way and we are just now at a time where they can stand up and speak there mind. Unfortunately there are rude loud people just like every other group.

How many gay 60 year old men/women do you think we all know that have kids and act like they hate homosexuals.....I think the numbers would blow your mind.

That all may be true, but to strip experiences away from everyone to appease a slim minority is bullshit. So now I can’t have a one on one experience with my daughter at all because someone might be offended?

But that is the way the world works...

 

[Cole Trickle]

That all may be true, but to strip experiences away from everyone to appease a slim minority is bullshit. So now I can’t have a one on one experience with my daughter at all because someone might be offended?

But that is the way the world works...

What if a gay couple adopted a little girl. What if a hetrosexual dad died and it's just mom now?


Kind of unfair to call it a daddy daughter dance when it excludes alot of people. Why not make it about the kids being there with there friends with a loved one and not make it about a group?

Actually kind of bugged me when they have the mother son deals and no dads go. I don't have a daughter so I won't ever be able to attend one of those.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Feel the same way.
Last year for the mother/son and father/daughter events, I worked with Camp Pendleton and every military child who had a parent overseas or not at home had a full dressed Marine show up and escort them to the dance.

That's just cool...right, left, liberal, conservative.. just F'n cool.

 

[Meaney77]

What if a gay couple adopted a little girl. What if a hetrosexual dad died and it's just mom now?


Kind of unfair to call it a daddy daughter dance when it excludes alot of people. Why not make it about the kids being there with there friends with a loved one and not make it about a group?

Actually kind of bugged me when they have the mother son deals and no dads go. I don't have a daughter so I won't ever be able to attend one of those.

Completely understand what you are saying.... but on the flip side- Life isnt fair right? Isnt part of life learning how to deal with it all and understand that their will be times in life where you are excluded in some way?

 

[rivermobster]

That all may be true, but to strip experiences away from everyone to appease a slim minority is bullshit. So now I can’t have a one on one experience with my daughter at all because someone might be offended?

But that is the way the world works...

Who's stoping you? You act like she is in school 24/7.

My daughter and I did shit all the time by ourselves. I think her favorite thing was going for rides to the beach on my Harley. Not to mention shooting, fishing, martial arts, sports, hiking, reading to her, talking every night in her room, swimming, off roadiing, did I mention shooting? She's a Way better shot than me with a rifle, but I can still kick her ass shooting clay birds.

Need anymore ideas? Just let me know...

 

[Cole Trickle]

Completely understand what you are saying.... but on the flip side- Life isnt fair right? Isnt part of life learning how to deal with it all and understand that their will be times in life where you are excluded in some way?

I think a perfect society is when everyone is treated as equals until they justify the opposite. The US is the best nation on earth by a wide margin but we are a long way from having everything figured out.....Im not saying rob from the rich to give to the poor but we as a people/goverment can do more than we have for certain groups/areas.

Life isn't fair and it never will be. I try and remind my son of that daily ......He has less than some but so much more than a majority of the planet.

I hate participation trophy's and I believe everyone needs to work hard.

 

[dribble]

Completely understand what you are saying.... but on the flip side- Life isnt fair right? Isnt part of life learning how to deal with it all and understand that their will be times in life where you are excluded in some way?

I would argue that the girl who lost her father to ALS or the boy who lost his mother to breast cancer have already learned to deal with the fact that life is not fair and that they are forever excluded from having a normal childhood. There are a lot of things wrong with our public schools. This is not one of them.

 

[Singleton]

Some very interesting thoughts in this thread. I get what folks are saying about excluding kids.

For those kids that don’t have a mom or a dad those are difficult items to deal with and I would not be as worked up if that is how it was presented via the VM last night. The change was made to avoid excluding parents from events.

 

[monkeyswrench]

I think what upsets (for lack of a better term) the majority of parents is the massive onslaught of political correctness. There have been widows with children since the first father died in a field, either at war or on a farm. Those widows didn't decry a need for change. There have always been a percentage of children, that didn't fit the template of what society sees fit. Yet, the world, and this country, seems to have managed fairly well. It just seems to have ramped up in the past 10 or so years that now we all must conform to the standards set forth by those who do not conform. It is not just the gender identity, it is also being told an American flag is offensive, and that the scope of history should only be seen through a certain prism.

It is not just this one thing, it is a myriad of others as well.

 

[Cole Trickle]

I think what upsets (for lack of a better term) the majority of parents is the massive onslaught of political correctness. There have been widows with children since the first father died in a field, either at war or on a farm. Those widows didn't decry a need for change. There have always been a percentage of children, that didn't fit the template of what society sees fit. Yet, the world, and this country, seems to have managed fairly well. It just seems to have ramped up in the past 10 or so years that now we all must conform to the standards set forth by those who do not conform. It is not just the gender identity, it is also being told an American flag is offensive, and that the scope of history should only be seen through a certain prism.

It is not just this one thing, it is a myriad of others as well.

100% internet, social media and cell phones.

We are not better because of the technology and have progressed at a rate much faster than the brain can handle.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

What if a gay couple adopted a little girl. What if a hetrosexual dad died and it's just mom now?


Kind of unfair to call it a daddy daughter dance when it excludes alot of people. Why not make it about the kids being there with there friends with a loved one and not make it about a group?

Actually kind of bugged me when they have the mother son deals and no dads go. I don't have a daughter so I won't ever be able to attend one of those.

So pick someone to take her to the dance.. No one cares if a mom shows up.

How is it about the kids if we are reducing activities because of fear of outrage?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Who's stoping you? You act like she is in school 24/7.

My daughter and I did shit all the time by ourselves. I think her favorite thing was going for rides to the beach on my Harley. Not to mention shooting, fishing, martial arts, sports, hiking, reading to her, talking every night in her room, swimming, off roadiing, did I mention shooting? She's a Way better shot than me with a rifle, but I can still kick her ass shooting clay birds.

Need anymore ideas? Just let me know...

I do plenty of things with my daughter. I’m not going to rent a venue, pay for a DJ and invite 100 people so I can take her to a dance with her dad that she enjoyed but is now canceled because of fake outrage.

 

[Cole Trickle]

So pick someone to take her to the dance.. No one cares if a mom shows up.

How is it about the kids if we are reducing activities because of fear of outrage?

There not reducing or eliminating anything....You don't want to take your daughter because they renamed it to something you don't like and are outraged...lol

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

There not reducing or eliminating anything....You don't want to take your daughter because they renamed it to something you don't like and are outraged...lol

I never said I won’t take my daughter to it, and I don't give 2 shits what they call it. I just want the opportunity to do that with my daughter.

I said they are reducing/eliminating some of the other “traditional” activities.

They went from 2 morning events in the year, a mom event and a dad event to a single "all inclusive" event. That is a net reduction in events.

There was talk of modifying or eliminating the Daddy Daughter dance, I don't know if that will happen.

 

[rivermobster]

I do plenty of things with my daughter. I’m not going to rent a venue, pay for a DJ and invite 100 people so I can take her to a dance with her dad that she enjoyed but is now canceled because of fake outrage.

So you're saying you're upset because things didn't go exactly Your way?? That life isn't fair?? That we don't always get what we want??

Crazy how that works isn't it?

@Ballsdeep can maybe help you with this.

This sounds like a good learning experience for both you and your daughter...

Good luck!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

So you're saying you're upset because things didn't go exactly Your way?? That life isn't fair?? That we don't always get what we want??

Crazy how that works isn't it?

@Ballsdeep can maybe help you with this.

This sounds like a good learning experience for both you and your daughter...

Good luck!

A learning experience of what exactly? I'm not upset, I'm sad for my kids that get to experience fewer events because a slim minority thought an events were unfair so events were eliminated.

If you don't think I don't have a right to be disappointed about not being able to continue those memories with my child because the events are eliminated, I don't know what to tell you, and we obviously have vastly different parenting styles.

That is like saying the state is closing your off roading area where you ride quads with your family, and it is your fault you are upset about it closing.. Just deal with it, and get a more environmentally friendly hobby and be happy the plants are growing where you used to ride.

 

[Carlson-jet]

Interesting conversation
I didn't get a daddy daughter dance and have no son so my wonderful Wife would have missed out on that as well.
I do attend every event at syds school that she is involved with as well as monitor daily progress along with parent teacher meetings.
It's all about involvement. We know the kids going through tough times and invite them on outings and just to be around and feel appreciated.
It's how i was raised. The elevation of mankind depends on good mentors for the kids.

 

[Singleton]

So pick someone to take her to the dance.. No one cares if a mom shows up.

How is it about the kids if we are reducing activities because of fear of outrage?

Stop with that logic.
I took my daughter to the mommy/daughter tea party last year. Mom was out of town last minute for work and daughter wanted to attended, so I put on my best suit and tie and took my daughter.

 

[stephenkatsea]

Comments here by someone who has no kids, has never had kids, but opts to post a photo of a politician and include a snarky comment in this thread says it all. He doesn't know F all about much and that certainly includes our kids' educations in CA schools.

 

[DC-88]

Interesting conversation
I didn't get a daddy daughter dance and have no son so my wonderful Wife would have missed out on that as well.
I do attend every event at syds school that she is involved with as well as monitor daily progress along with parent teacher meetings.
It's all about involvement. We know the kids going through tough times and invite them on outings and just to be around and feel appreciated.
It's how i was raised. The elevation of mankind depends on good mentors for the kids.

Time for all is our most valuable personal resource. The good teachers today are having trouble giving students the attention they need due to many factors including mandatory team building bi- weekly staff development where they are bored to death by a speaker who tapped out after not cutting it in the classroom, or attending an IEP with an enabled kid who has test anxiety (Kush Vapist who wants the answers in advance), his parents, and their "advocate" ( ambulance chaser lawyer). It's sad, and not limited to Cali at all

 

[rivermobster]

A learning experience of what exactly? I'm not upset, I'm sad for my kids that get to experience fewer events because a slim minority thought an events were unfair so events were eliminated.

If you don't think I don't have a right to be disappointed about not being able to continue those memories with my child because the events are eliminated, I don't know what to tell you, and we obviously have vastly different parenting styles.

That is like saying the state is closing your off roading area where you ride quads with your family, and it is your fault you are upset about it closing.. Just deal with it, and get a more environmentally friendly hobby and be happy the plants are growing where you used to ride.

So now we have moved from the topic of a change in school policy, to...

Your rights, off road closures and parenting styles. Wow.

Some very smart people in this thread have given you some very good reasons why this change really isn't such a bad idea, but you're on your soapbox, and not coming down, no matter what anyone says...

Your only vision is your point of view.

Life is short. Use it wisely. Peace.

 

[Carlson-jet]

Time for all is our most valuable personal resource. The good teachers today are having trouble giving students the attention they need due to many factors including mandatory team building bi- weekly staff development where they are bored to death by a speaker who tapped out after not cutting it in the classroom, or attending an IEP with an enabled kid who has test anxiety (Kush Vapist who wants the answers in advance), his parents, and their "advocate" ( ambulance chaser lawyer). It's sad, and not limited to Cali at all

I'm SUPER LUCKY in this small cosmos I simply am an amoeba in that "most" of the professionals I pay to instruct my kiddo have not been completely turned against something as simple as our Founding Fathers, the 1st and 2nd amendment. The amount of faculty I know in my district, personally meaning have done business with, performed physical labor to build a home project or something in respected community gives me hope that few agree with the current events. None of them were raised in that fashion. Away from prying eyes the truth comes out.
I personally need to spend way more time involving myself with the State, County and Local district level on what curriculum is to be taught, how funds are dispersed and what the future plan is. Leaving this up to others will be forfeiting my claims to a better future generation.

 

[shintoooo]

Time for all is our most valuable personal resource. The good teachers today are having trouble giving students the attention they need due to many factors including mandatory team building bi- weekly staff development where they are bored to death by a speaker who tapped out after not cutting it in the classroom, or attending an IEP with an enabled kid who has test anxiety (Kush Vapist who wants the answers in advance), his parents, and their "advocate" ( ambulance chaser lawyer). It's sad, and not limited to Cali at all

You must be married to a teacher?

My wife is a middle school teacher and director and that’s exactly what she has to deal with, most of the issues coming from the parents lol.

 

[DC-88]

I'm SUPER LUCKY in this small cosmos I simply am an amoeba in that "most" of the professionals I pay to instruct my kiddo have not been completely turned against something as simple as our Founding Fathers, the 1st and 2nd amendment. The amount of faculty I know in my district, personally meaning have done business with, performed physical labor to build a home project or something in respected community gives me hope that few agree with the current events. None of them were raised in that fashion. Away from prying eyes the truth comes out.
I personally need to spend way more time involving myself with the State, County and Local district level on what curriculum is to be taught, how funds are dispersed and what the future plan is. Leaving this up to others will be forfeiting my claims to a better future generation.

You must be married to a teacher?

My wife is a middle school teacher and director and that’s exactly what she has to deal with, most of the issues coming from the parents lol.

Yep, mine teaches US History and still shows the flight 93 movie on every 9/11. At 49, I've been her sounding board for 26 years of it, and luckily we live in a more conservative area so the whole deal has been tolerable, plus as a known Non - Dem voter she has still been awarded district teacher of the year and is well respected, although avoids the lunch conversation in the teacher's lounge. I just started the book I posted above, and she swears the victim's father and whoever co-wrote it are pretty spot on as to how things deteriorated in the time she's been on the job. 4-1/2 years to go as she's pretty much done when comparing how things are now to the early 90's when she started. Raising kids, it's been a great 2nd income -

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

So now we have moved from the topic of a change in school policy, to...

Your rights, off road closures and parenting styles. Wow.

Some very smart people in this thread have given you some very good reasons why this change really isn't such a bad idea, but you're on your soapbox, and not coming down, no matter what anyone says...

Your only vision is your point of view.

Life is short. Use it wisely. Peace.

And some smart people in this thread have shown the shortcomings of these ideas as well, and sadly the real losers are the kids when school events are cut for fear of offending a very few.

No one is excluded from any of the events as they currently are. The only people that are excluded are the ones that exclude themselves and feign offense and seek to change the event for EVERYONE else.

Adopted kids still have parents. Kids with homosexual parents still have parents. Sometimes a Mom is out of town so Dad has to step up as @Singleton did. No one has said these people can’t come any of these events. Singleton didn’t get stoned for coming to the “Mother’s” event. It really is a non issue, yet the PC crowd makes it an issue.

Again I don’t know why you seem to be against parents having fewer experiences with their kids and their friends, but as you said, use the short life we have wisely.

 

[Waffles]

Actually kind of bugged me when they have the mother son deals and no dads go. I don't have a daughter so I won't ever be able to attend one of those.

Its 2019, If youre really that bothered then just identify as one.

 

[rivermobster]

Again I don’t know why you seem to be against parents having fewer experiences with their kids and their friends, but as you said, use the short life we have wisely.

Could you show me where I actually said that?? This isn't the first time you've tried to put words in my mouth.

Truth is i believe just the opposite of that. I spent so much time with my kids growing up it was unreal. Truly there is nothing more important to me than my kids! I think you should spend every moment you can with them. They grow up so fast it's unreal. Mine are 19 and 21 now, and in college, so I hardly see em at all anymore. They are busy with school and work and friends, and I couldn't be more happy for them.

Spending time with your kids growing up, is something every parent should make job one. :thumbup:

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Could you show me where I actually said that?? This isn't the first time you've tried to put words in my mouth.

Truth is i believe just the opposite of that. I spent so much time with my kids growing up it was unreal. Truly there is nothing more important to me than my kids! I think you should spend every moment you can with them. They grow up so fast it's unreal. Mine are 19 and 21 now, and in college, so I hardly see em at all anymore. They are busy with school and work and friends, and I couldn't be more happy for them.

Spending time with your kids growing up, is something every parent should make job one. :thumbup:

What am I to infer after you said I was on a "soapbox" and "angry I didn't get my way" for being disappointed that parent/student events at school were being reduced due to PC concerns?

Show me where I am angry about any of it. I said if they canceled the Daddy Daughter dance, that is an experience my daughter would never have again. If you think wanting those memories with my daughter is a "soapbox" stance that "I'll never be talked down from", you are right it is. And if you don't understand that as a parent, again we have very different parenting styles.

You were attacking my opinion that FEWER school extra curricular activities that involve parents is a bad thing, so I have to assume that you doing those things with your kids is less of a priority for you than it is for me. The reality is that is probably not the case, but that is what you argued.

 

[TCHB]

You can always pay to send the kids to private school.

 

[pronstar]

You can always pay to send the kids to private school.

But it sucks that home-owning, taxpayer parents are already paying for public schools.

That money should be a voucher that you parents can redirect to an accredited school of their choosing.


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[TCHB]

But it sucks that home-owning, taxpayer parents are already paying for public schools.

That money should be a voucher that you parents can redirect to an accredited school of their choosing.


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Most parents would not pay the additional $14K for the private schools.