Power lines going underground $$$$$

[TCHB]

Can you imagine if Havasu was going underground. Cost would be pretty High. http://tbrnews.com/news/another-man...cle_fd402d1c-0cad-11ea-a14b-eb40af5cd9b3.html

 

[CLdrinker]

Everyone always thinks it’s cheap and easy until they have to pay for it

 

[Bobby V]

When my friends built there retirement home off of Bison they paid to have the power lines moved underground so it wouldn't ruin their view. This was about 15 years ago. Not sure how much it cost back then. But they have a great view...

 

[Rajobigguy]

Can you imagine if Havasu was going underground. Cost would be pretty High. http://tbrnews.com/news/another-man...cle_fd402d1c-0cad-11ea-a14b-eb40af5cd9b3.html

You already have underground utilities in your neighborhood.

 

[Havasu blue label]

Havasu golf course area has underground power and gas the only way to go

 

[28Eliminator]

The overhead power is Havasu’s biggest drawback. The city should have addressed this a long time ago.


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[TITTIES AND BEER]

Was going to do a MIL home at the back of our property 685’ overhead 11k underground 18500.00$

 

[CLdrinker]

Was going to do a MIL home at the back of our property 685’ overhead 11k underground 18500.00$

So you did underground right?

 

[tostark]

While expensive, Havasu would be a lot cheaper then Manhattan Beach......lots of concrete there

 

[TCHB]

Havasu would be very expensive because there is less homes per block to devise the costs.

While expensive, Havasu would be a lot cheaper then Manhattan Beach......lots of concrete there

Havasu has less homes per block to split the bill. Can you imagine how many block walls would be taken down to go underground in the backyards.

 

[mjc]

I took out the pole at the top of my hill and moved it underground. I dug the hole and ran conduits from where pole was they did the rest for free from wash up to house.

 

[NicPaus]

One of my jobs city forces you to go underground with a major remodel. The city planner said it's there number one complaint as it costs the homeowner $30K on average. I charged the homeowner $4700 and he complained about it and said it was to much. I should of charged the $30K.

 

[Mandelon]

The utilities just add the cost to your bill every month. They build up a reserve and do one area at a time. The cost to you is only a few dollars a month. Typically the go up the street and branch off to each house. They did our neighborhood in SD a decade or so ago. So much nicer not to have ugly powerlines up and down the street.

 

[Havasu blue label]

My home built in 70 in calif underground can't block the golf course area

 

[Backlash]

I got an unofficial quote from SoCal Edison and they said it typically runs around $5K a linear foot to switch from overhead service to underground service. When I heard that, I laughed and said "No thank you." I dug the trench myself and dropped the conduit in for both power and telco.

 

[NicPaus]

Edison was a wash they gave us a credit for going underground. I used my backhoe to dig the trench. Had Hallet21 setup the panel and conduit. Had a inspection where Edison used a mandrel to make sure conduit was good. Then Edison pulled the cable and powered it up.

 

[ibelio]

havasu my area is underground lower Daytona area

 

[jeteater1]

We have power poles going down the streets out here,but from the pole to the house is underground.

 

[Xring01]

The utilities just add the cost to your bill every month. They build up a reserve and do one area at a time. The cost to you is only a few dollars a month. Typically the go up the street and branch off to each house. They did our neighborhood in SD a decade or so ago. So much nicer not to have ugly powerlines up and down the street.

Dollars per month...

thats just fucking stupid

this is what I do for a living...

its not dollars per month, thats what politicians want you to think...

Municipalities pay 10 cents per kilo watt hour...

Investor Owned Utilitys customers can pay 42 cents per kwh..

its a very long story, sorry had way to many bourbons,to explain it tonight, but that doesnt change the facts

 

[HB2Havasu]

The overhead power is Havasu’s biggest drawback. The city should have addressed this a long time ago.


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From what I understand the original design for the city back in the 1960’s called for all underground utilities, but people bitched about the cost (probably in the hundreds back then, lol) so it was removed in most areas of town that didn’t already have the underground lines.

I would pay to have them put underground behind my property. The poles ruin the lake view on our lot.

 

[rrrr]

One of my jobs city forces you to go underground with a major remodel. The city planner said it's there number one complaint as it costs the homeowner $30K on average. I charged the homeowner $4700 and he complained about it and said it was to much. I should of charged the $30K.

Did you use direct burial triplex, or conduit and wire? How long was the run? I'm just curious.

New subdivisions around here usually have 1.3 kV feeders run around the subdivision boundaries, and there are drops to buried conduit which is routed along each street. They feed 75-125 kVA (depending on the size of the houses) pad mount xfmrs in every fifth or sixth front yard. From there, buried 2/0 aluminum triplex is run to the houses served by each xfmr.

 

[NicPaus]

Did you use direct burial triplex, or conduit and wire? How long was the run? I'm just curious.

New subdivisions around here usually have 1.3 kV feeders run around the subdivision boundaries, and there are drops to buried conduit which is routed along each street. They feed 75-125 kVA (depending on the size of the houses) pad mount xfmrs in every fifth or sixth front yard. From there, buried 2/0 aluminum triplex is run to the houses served by each xfmr.

3" conduit. The neighbor behind already did theres and paid for a box in ground that it was ran from which was 5' over from base of power pole in the easement . About 20 distance but about 30' of wire. They used copper since underground and close to ocean. All are part was dig trench set conduit and main panel with a pull rope to there box. Once mandrel inspection and depth and conduit size checked they did the rest. The crew showed up at 6pm to pull wire. They left at almost 8. Said they are just taking in the OT. Took around 6 months from first inspection by Edison if not 8. They are busy.

 

[highvoltagehands]

Did you use direct burial triplex, or conduit and wire? How long was the run? I'm just curious.

New subdivisions around here usually have 1.3 kV feeders run around the subdivision boundaries, and there are drops to buried conduit which is routed along each street. They feed 75-125 kVA (depending on the size of the houses) pad mount xfmrs in every fifth or sixth front yard. From there, buried 2/0 aluminum triplex is run to the houses served by each xfmr.

I think you mean 13KV aka 12,470/7200 volts depending on where your at.

 

[Carlson-jet]

I'm sure glad sewer,gas and waterlines aren't cheaper to provide overhead.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

Converting overhead primary to underground is crazy expensive and completely different then burrying a service to a house.

We are starting to do this on our system. First little section, probably 500 feet is close to half-a-million total project costs. And that is without converting the services.

 

[TITTIES AND BEER]

So you did underground right?

No mil moved on

 

[FreeBird236]

When we built I paid $1200 extra to come under ground to the house and not have an intermediate pole on my back slope, now when I look out at the lake I only see 27 poles in my view.

 

[tostark]

I got an unofficial quote from SoCal Edison and they said it typically runs around $5K a linear foot to switch from overhead service to underground service. When I heard that, I laughed and said "No thank you." I dug the trench myself and dropped the conduit in for both power and telco.

I had to go underground from the pole to the house in havasu when I did my garage. It was around $5k and that included the 400 amp service. They dug under the block wall which i am sure was a pain. I thought it would be a lot nicer but i still have my neighbors wires and all the poles in the neighborhood to look at.

 

[CLdrinker]

I can tell you guys that the planning costs alone is a couple million for 50-100 poles. The price can take a huge swing either way depending on the number of under ground structures req’d.

I hope the project goes through. The more work for Planners the better.

 

[DaveC]

Our entire neighborhood is underground. But it was built in the 60’s.

 

[gqchris]

When I lived in Downtown Long Beach, I remember all the time manhole covers would explode on Edisons burials since everything there is underground. What causes that so often? Would rock the whole area!

 

[Sleek-Jet]

When I lived in Downtown Long Beach, I remember all the time manhole covers would explode on Edisons burials since everything there is underground. What causes that so often? Would rock the whole area!

Cable fault. Conduit fills up with water and over time the insulation fails. It's like a Canon going off.

 

[gqchris]

Cable fault. Conduit fills up with water and over time the insulation fails. It's like a Canon going off.

Yea was crazy! I thought we got bombed once.

 

[Brobee]

5 million a mile. We were having this discussion with our engineer when a local casino was complaining about the power shut offs during the last wind event. The accepted estimation for converting primary overhead to underground with all the 600a mainline, the 200a branches, and transformers is 5 million dollars a mile.

If LHC ever converted to underground, there’s no way it would still be back lot line. They’d trench down the streets and run the cables and transformers in front. Then you also have to get the telecoms to run and bury all their cables next. I did a conversion in south laguna and it took almost a year to bury the electric and telco was still pulling cable after we left.


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[buck35]

I was.going to run a 200 amp survice to my shop a few years ago . The eastament was 12000 up front if I dug the trench and put in the conduit. It was about 200 feet from the pole. Decided to pass and run a sub off the house.After a couple years with h my 50 amps I've never popped the main as I can really only run one or two things at once. If I need my bigger wirefeed ,I just use the plug in the house that was put in prior.

 

[Joe mama]

Converting overhead primary to underground is crazy expensive and completely different then burrying a service to a house.

We are starting to do this on our system. First little section, probably 500 feet is close to half-a-million total project costs. And that is without converting the services.

That’s better than the 5k Per linear ft stated above.

 

[hallett21]

That’s better than the 5k Per linear ft stated above.

I’d like to see the break down on 5k a ft.




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[rrrr]

I think you mean 13KV aka 12,470/7200 volts depending on where your at.

I misplaced the decimal point, and was thinking it was 13,200, but I'm reading 12,470 is the nominal voltage. Thanks.

 

[TCHB]

Cable fault. Conduit fills up with water and over time the insulation fails. It's like a Canon going off.

We would have high voltage cable failures in the power plants. Yes lots of noise when they would fail.

 

[ridebig]

This is one reason I bought in Sun Lake Village in Havasu. All underground utilities and lake view.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

That’s better than the 5k Per linear ft stated above.

All we do on underground service upgrades is pull the wire and build the riser. At most it is 3 or 4k bill for our time and materials. Of course the homeowner still has to trench, lay the conduit and have a new meter base and such. Many times the homeowner pulls the wire and all we do is charge labor for terminating and the riser.