From that angle it looks like that wake has got nothing on a big ass Nautique........everyone bellyache about wakeboats, this is what we share the San Joaquin River with.
too far off topic...?
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the only boat DESIGNED TO MAKE & SHAPE WAVES -- Are Wake Make'n Boats!And who makes that determination? EVERY boat makes a wave, some bigger than others, what is too big, how is it to be measured?
This would end up like all the car exhaust and car modification tickets. You'll just get cited in your 30 year old ski boat and let the judge sort it out.
Back then you couldnt get through on plane anyways because there were a million boats flooating in front of Sundance trying to get a look at some titties.
It was a voluntary no wake zone LOL. I volunteered many times.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the only boat DESIGNED TO MAKE & SHAPE WAVES -- Are Wake Make'n Boats!
Yep! you are absolutely correct! They will punish Every boater so them Wave & Damage makers, (Wake Boats) are treated equal & special!Exactly. They will just make it a no wake zone so no one makes any waves at all
Can't agree with you there! These fuck'n wake Makers have NO business on the strip, upper river, or most other bodies of water! Wanna surf the big waves? -- Go to the Fuck'n Ocean!
I’m no economist but I’d wager we have a shit sandwich headed our way soon and all the extra folks will find themselves shackled back to the basics sooner rather than later.
Currently fighting an increase that conveniently gives Heather the manager a $10k/yr raise to write more parking tickets.
I have wave making boat and it don't make waves when I don't want it to....I also have a high performance boat that I don't run in the middle of the day when the water is rough. You guys keep singling out boats instead of just having law enforcement enforce the laws that exist around people being responsible for their wake and its damage. Support for any law that limits boat types will impact all boaters; ala Devils Elbow in Havasu... Too bad it is a tough weekend but likely in both of the high performance boat incidents it was driver error trying to do too much in conditions that did not allow it. Had nothing to do with the other boats....They are in control of how they captain their vessel.It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the only boat DESIGNED TO MAKE & SHAPE WAVES -- Are Wake Make'n Boats!
Yep! you are absolutely correct! They will punish Every boater so them Wave & Damage makers, (Wake Boats) are treated equal & special!
And who makes that determination? EVERY boat makes a wave, some bigger than others, what is too big, how is it to be measured?
This would end up like all the car exhaust and car modification tickets. You'll just get cited in your 30 year old ski boat and let the judge sort it out.
I agree with the other post that it varies, and upriver is always faster than down by Bluewater. With that noted, 2 MPH is a good average.
Well he'd better, otherwise WTF is he doing with our membership dues?
Exactly, on Parker mid day any summer Sat it is 4 boats wide and throw in a jet ski... you will not be able to prove who is at fault.
A couple of points, I've noticed in this thread.
First, the Blue Water No Wake Zone: When the Tribes proposed the Blue Water Resort/Casino/Marina, a requirement of the Corps of Engineers permit was a full environmental impact survey. All concerned agencies, Army Corps, US Fish and Wildlife, US Coast Guard, AZ Game and Fish, CA Fish and Game, CRIT Fish and Game, CRIT EPA and a slew of others spent over a year going over the entire area. What was discovered, was that several endangered species of birds and native fish called the Moovalya Marsh, across from the Resort, their home. Primarily the Yuma Clapper Rail, an endangered species of bird, built it's nests on the water surface, back in the marsh. Excessive disturbance by boat wakes causes the birds to abandon their nests, and any eggs or young that might be present. (more on this below*)
It was also found that certain endangered native fish (Colorado River squawfish, bonytailed chub, humpback chub, etc.) lays their eggs in and around the reeds in the Marsh. Again, excessive wakes dislodges the eggs, and harms the protection from predators that the reeds provide.
Everyone involved in the process agreed that a "No Wake" zone would be necessary to protect those species, and it was put in place. The No Wake zone was ordered regardless of whether the Casino/Marina was approved, disapproved or completed. A routine survey of the area was due to be completed a few years after this was done, and the same conclusion would have resulted in the No Wake Zone. The Casino only moved it up a couple of years.
What about the races? You ask. There is a protocol that must be followed whenever races are approved for the area. Racers must stay as far to the Arizona side as possible, there must be at least a one weekend lull between events, and strict enforcement of the zone must be conducted at all other times. This will minimize the disturbance in the Marsh and assist in maintaining, and hopefully increasing, the species population.
The No Wake Zone at Blue Water has nothing to do with boat safety or the Casino. It's strictly for species management.
Speaking of permits, this brings me to my 2nd point. There is a common denominator between the 3 boat wrecks this past weekend and the deadliest collision on the Parker Strip, EVER. In both instances, there were these "word-of-mouth", under the radar, "Boat floats", "Boat shows", "Show and shine" or whatever you dick swingers want to call it. You don't want to do it the RIGHT way. That is, getting permits, sanction, insurance, safety boats, divers, medics, course closures, rules, etc. You just invite every top fuel wannabe to come out here and wave your cranks around to see who can be the loudest, fastest, most obnoxious, (oh yeah, and most DANGEROUS) boat on the River.
Wow. They hit a wake. A PWC got in my way. Who fucking expects a wake or a PWC on the Parker Strip on a 100 degree weekend. Umm. Like EVERYONE. All these "experienced" drivers losing control, running into docks, running over other boats. Wow. It must have been a steering failure. That's the excuse. Yeah right. I know of at least 6 collisions where 6 boats "lost steering" in that exact spot, ending up with the same conclusion. Either over another boat, on the dock or T-bone into the sea wall. Funny it doesn't happen anywhere else. Just there. But I digress.
If you idiots want to show off your loud, fast boats, join a circuit. Enter a race. Put down the beer. Get a capsule, put on a helmet and a Lifeline and do it the right fucking way. Too many people are getting seriously injured, crippled, and killed because you're too stupid, inconsiderate or broke to do it right. There's a reason auto drag races aren't done up and down the street in front of your house. There's a reason there are special speedways for racing and F1-Indy-NASCAR isn't happening on Main Street, USA with everyone and their granny cruising down to Walmart in their Prius.
It's not the wake boats. It's not the PWCs. It's YOU!
Damn, I love being retired.
A couple of points, I've noticed in this thread.
First, the Blue Water No Wake Zone: When the Tribes proposed the Blue Water Resort/Casino/Marina, a requirement of the Corps of Engineers permit was a full environmental impact survey. All concerned agencies, Army Corps, US Fish and Wildlife, US Coast Guard, AZ Game and Fish, CA Fish and Game, CRIT Fish and Game, CRIT EPA and a slew of others spent over a year going over the entire area. What was discovered, was that several endangered species of birds and native fish called the Moovalya Marsh, across from the Resort, their home. Primarily the Yuma Clapper Rail, an endangered species of bird, built it's nests on the water surface, back in the marsh. Excessive disturbance by boat wakes causes the birds to abandon their nests, and any eggs or young that might be present. (more on this below*)
It was also found that certain endangered native fish (Colorado River squawfish, bonytailed chub, humpback chub, etc.) lays their eggs in and around the reeds in the Marsh. Again, excessive wakes dislodges the eggs, and harms the protection from predators that the reeds provide.
Everyone involved in the process agreed that a "No Wake" zone would be necessary to protect those species, and it was put in place. The No Wake zone was ordered regardless of whether the Casino/Marina was approved, disapproved or completed. A routine survey of the area was due to be completed a few years after this was done, and the same conclusion would have resulted in the No Wake Zone. The Casino only moved it up a couple of years.
What about the races? You ask. There is a protocol that must be followed whenever races are approved for the area. Racers must stay as far to the Arizona side as possible, there must be at least a one weekend lull between events, and strict enforcement of the zone must be conducted at all other times. This will minimize the disturbance in the Marsh and assist in maintaining, and hopefully increasing, the species population.
The No Wake Zone at Blue Water has nothing to do with boat safety or the Casino. It's strictly for species management.
Speaking of permits, this brings me to my 2nd point. There is a common denominator between the 3 boat wrecks this past weekend and the deadliest collision on the Parker Strip, EVER. In both instances, there were these "word-of-mouth", under the radar, "Boat floats", "Boat shows", "Show and shine" or whatever you dick swingers want to call it. You don't want to do it the RIGHT way. That is, getting permits, sanction, insurance, safety boats, divers, medics, course closures, rules, etc. You just invite every top fuel wannabe to come out here and wave your cranks around to see who can be the loudest, fastest, most obnoxious, (oh yeah, and most DANGEROUS) boat on the River.
Wow. They hit a wake. A PWC got in my way. Who fucking expects a wake or a PWC on the Parker Strip on a 100 degree weekend. Umm. Like EVERYONE. All these "experienced" drivers losing control, running into docks, running over other boats. Wow. It must have been a steering failure. That's the excuse. Yeah right. I know of at least 6 collisions where 6 boats "lost steering" in that exact spot, ending up with the same conclusion. Either over another boat, on the dock or T-bone into the sea wall. Funny it doesn't happen anywhere else. Just there. But I digress.
If you idiots want to show off your loud, fast boats, join a circuit. Enter a race. Put down the beer. Get a capsule, put on a helmet and a Lifeline and do it the right fucking way. Too many people are getting seriously injured, crippled, and killed because you're too stupid, inconsiderate or broke to do it right. There's a reason auto drag races aren't done up and down the street in front of your house. There's a reason there are special speedways for racing and F1-Indy-NASCAR isn't happening on Main Street, USA with everyone and their granny cruising down to Walmart in their Prius.
It's not the wake boats. It's not the PWCs. It's YOU!
Damn, I love being retired.
Speaking of permits, this brings me to my 2nd point. There is a common denominator between the 3 boat wrecks this past weekend and the deadliest collision on the Parker Strip, EVER. In both instances, there were these "word-of-mouth", under the radar, "Boat floats", "Boat shows", "Show and shine" or whatever you dick swingers want to call it. You don't want to do it the RIGHT way. That is, getting permits, sanction, insurance, safety boats, divers, medics, course closures, rules, etc. You just invite every top fuel wannabe to come out here and wave your cranks around to see who can be the loudest, fastest, most obnoxious, (oh yeah, and most DANGEROUS) boat on the River.
Wow. They hit a wake. A PWC got in my way. Who fucking expects a wake or a PWC on the Parker Strip on a 100 degree weekend. Umm. Like EVERYONE. All these "experienced" drivers losing control, running into docks, running over other boats. Wow. It must have been a steering failure. That's the excuse. Yeah right. I know of at least 6 collisions where 6 boats "lost steering" in that exact spot, ending up with the same conclusion. Either over another boat, on the dock or T-bone into the sea wall. Funny it doesn't happen anywhere else. Just there. But I digress.
If you idiots want to show off your loud, fast boats, join a circuit. Enter a race. Put down the beer. Get a capsule, put on a helmet and a Lifeline and do it the right fucking way. Too many people are getting seriously injured, crippled, and killed because you're too stupid, inconsiderate or broke to do it right. There's a reason auto drag races aren't done up and down the street in front of your house. There's a reason there are special speedways for racing and F1-Indy-NASCAR isn't happening on Main Street, USA with everyone and their granny cruising down to Walmart in their Prius.
It's not the wake boats. It's not the PWCs. It's YOU!
Damn, I love being retired.
Interesting...
Explains the crazy crowds.
With this new info in mind, do we Really need a no wake zone?? I'm voting no.
A couple of points, I've noticed in this thread.
First, the Blue Water No Wake Zone: When the Tribes proposed the Blue Water Resort/Casino/Marina, a requirement of the Corps of Engineers permit was a full environmental impact survey. All concerned agencies, Army Corps, US Fish and Wildlife, US Coast Guard, AZ Game and Fish, CA Fish and Game, CRIT Fish and Game, CRIT EPA and a slew of others spent over a year going over the entire area. What was discovered, was that several endangered species of birds and native fish called the Moovalya Marsh, across from the Resort, their home. Primarily the Yuma Clapper Rail, an endangered species of bird, built it's nests on the water surface, back in the marsh. Excessive disturbance by boat wakes causes the birds to abandon their nests, and any eggs or young that might be present. (more on this below*)
It was also found that certain endangered native fish (Colorado River squawfish, bonytailed chub, humpback chub, etc.) lays their eggs in and around the reeds in the Marsh. Again, excessive wakes dislodges the eggs, and harms the protection from predators that the reeds provide.
Everyone involved in the process agreed that a "No Wake" zone would be necessary to protect those species, and it was put in place. The No Wake zone was ordered regardless of whether the Casino/Marina was approved, disapproved or completed. A routine survey of the area was due to be completed a few years after this was done, and the same conclusion would have resulted in the No Wake Zone. The Casino only moved it up a couple of years.
What about the races? You ask. There is a protocol that must be followed whenever races are approved for the area. Racers must stay as far to the Arizona side as possible, there must be at least a one weekend lull between events, and strict enforcement of the zone must be conducted at all other times. This will minimize the disturbance in the Marsh and assist in maintaining, and hopefully increasing, the species population.
The No Wake Zone at Blue Water has nothing to do with boat safety or the Casino. It's strictly for species management.
Speaking of permits, this brings me to my 2nd point. There is a common denominator between the 3 boat wrecks this past weekend and the deadliest collision on the Parker Strip, EVER. In both instances, there were these "word-of-mouth", under the radar, "Boat floats", "Boat shows", "Show and shine" or whatever you dick swingers want to call it. You don't want to do it the RIGHT way. That is, getting permits, sanction, insurance, safety boats, divers, medics, course closures, rules, etc. You just invite every top fuel wannabe to come out here and wave your cranks around to see who can be the loudest, fastest, most obnoxious, (oh yeah, and most DANGEROUS) boat on the River.
Wow. They hit a wake. A PWC got in my way. Who fucking expects a wake or a PWC on the Parker Strip on a 100 degree weekend. Umm. Like EVERYONE. All these "experienced" drivers losing control, running into docks, running over other boats. Wow. It must have been a steering failure. That's the excuse. Yeah right. I know of at least 6 collisions where 6 boats "lost steering" in that exact spot, ending up with the same conclusion. Either over another boat, on the dock or T-bone into the sea wall. Funny it doesn't happen anywhere else. Just there. But I digress.
If you idiots want to show off your loud, fast boats, join a circuit. Enter a race. Put down the beer. Get a capsule, put on a helmet and a Lifeline and do it the right fucking way. Too many people are getting seriously injured, crippled, and killed because you're too stupid, inconsiderate or broke to do it right. There's a reason auto drag races aren't done up and down the street in front of your house. There's a reason there are special speedways for racing and F1-Indy-NASCAR isn't happening on Main Street, USA with everyone and their granny cruising down to Walmart in their Prius.
It's not the wake boats. It's not the PWCs. It's YOU!
Damn, I love being retired.
Simpler times.....
But I've run class 3-4-and 5 Rapids, (snake river) and on the water with 3 or more of those Wake Makers is like run'n in the ocean rollers! (worst if you get close) -- And like said in another post, I'm really surprised there hasn't been some serious accidents
Sorry but the ballast tanks and wake shapers on the 2019/2020 Wakesetters etc... they are insane, something has to be done about them running on the river. I live on The Strip and it is crazy to watch these rollers and their after affects.
