Well it sucks when
Fake news! water is rough is hell in that pic and its 20 years before a wake boat has even been built.
Fake news! water is rough is hell in that pic and its 20 years before a wake boat has even been built.
That's nearly flat compared to what WakeMakers do!Well it sucks when
Fake news! water is rough is hell in that pic and its 20 years before a wake boat has even been built.
A couple of points, I've noticed in this thread.
First, the Blue Water No Wake Zone: When the Tribes proposed the Blue Water Resort/Casino/Marina, a requirement of the Corps of Engineers permit was a full environmental impact survey. All concerned agencies, Army Corps, US Fish and Wildlife, US Coast Guard, AZ Game and Fish, CA Fish and Game, CRIT Fish and Game, CRIT EPA and a slew of others spent over a year going over the entire area. What was discovered, was that several endangered species of birds and native fish called the Moovalya Marsh, across from the Resort, their home. Primarily the Yuma Clapper Rail, an endangered species of bird, built it's nests on the water surface, back in the marsh. Excessive disturbance by boat wakes causes the birds to abandon their nests, and any eggs or young that might be present. (more on this below*)
It was also found that certain endangered native fish (Colorado River squawfish, bonytailed chub, humpback chub, etc.) lays their eggs in and around the reeds in the Marsh. Again, excessive wakes dislodges the eggs, and harms the protection from predators that the reeds provide.
Everyone involved in the process agreed that a "No Wake" zone would be necessary to protect those species, and it was put in place. The No Wake zone was ordered regardless of whether the Casino/Marina was approved, disapproved or completed. A routine survey of the area was due to be completed a few years after this was done, and the same conclusion would have resulted in the No Wake Zone. The Casino only moved it up a couple of years.
What about the races? You ask. There is a protocol that must be followed whenever races are approved for the area. Racers must stay as far to the Arizona side as possible, there must be at least a one weekend lull between events, and strict enforcement of the zone must be conducted at all other times. This will minimize the disturbance in the Marsh and assist in maintaining, and hopefully increasing, the species population.
The No Wake Zone at Blue Water has nothing to do with boat safety or the Casino. It's strictly for species management.
Speaking of permits, this brings me to my 2nd point. There is a common denominator between the 3 boat wrecks this past weekend and the deadliest collision on the Parker Strip, EVER. In both instances, there were these "word-of-mouth", under the radar, "Boat floats", "Boat shows", "Show and shine" or whatever you dick swingers want to call it. You don't want to do it the RIGHT way. That is, getting permits, sanction, insurance, safety boats, divers, medics, course closures, rules, etc. You just invite every top fuel wannabe to come out here and wave your cranks around to see who can be the loudest, fastest, most obnoxious, (oh yeah, and most DANGEROUS) boat on the River.
Wow. They hit a wake. A PWC got in my way. Who fucking expects a wake or a PWC on the Parker Strip on a 100 degree weekend. Umm. Like EVERYONE. All these "experienced" drivers losing control, running into docks, running over other boats. Wow. It must have been a steering failure. That's the excuse. Yeah right. I know of at least 6 collisions where 6 boats "lost steering" in that exact spot, ending up with the same conclusion. Either over another boat, on the dock or T-bone into the sea wall. Funny it doesn't happen anywhere else. Just there. But I digress.
If you idiots want to show off your loud, fast boats, join a circuit. Enter a race. Put down the beer. Get a capsule, put on a helmet and a Lifeline and do it the right fucking way. Too many people are getting seriously injured, crippled, and killed because you're too stupid, inconsiderate or broke to do it right. There's a reason auto drag races aren't done up and down the street in front of your house. There's a reason there are special speedways for racing and F1-Indy-NASCAR isn't happening on Main Street, USA with everyone and their granny cruising down to Walmart in their Prius.
It's not the wake boats. It's not the PWCs. It's YOU!
Damn, I love being retired.
A couple of points, I've noticed in this thread.
Damn, I love being retired.
You're being awfully diplomatic when saying "neighboring states". But we all know you are the King of diplomacy.At the end of the day the three accidents happened, from what.. ?? We can all speculate but I’d have to imagine the overwhelming crowds coming to the river to Escape the lock downs from
Covid 19.
Everyone is saying the crowds / the water conditions / boat traffic etc is busier than anyone has ever seen it.
I expect this next weekend is going to be crazy.. and it’s going to keep that way until things return to normal in neighboring states
How do you really feel.A couple of points, I've noticed in this thread.
First, the Blue Water No Wake Zone: When the Tribes proposed the Blue Water Resort/Casino/Marina, a requirement of the Corps of Engineers permit was a full environmental impact survey. All concerned agencies, Army Corps, US Fish and Wildlife, US Coast Guard, AZ Game and Fish, CA Fish and Game, CRIT Fish and Game, CRIT EPA and a slew of others spent over a year going over the entire area. What was discovered, was that several endangered species of birds and native fish called the Moovalya Marsh, across from the Resort, their home. Primarily the Yuma Clapper Rail, an endangered species of bird, built it's nests on the water surface, back in the marsh. Excessive disturbance by boat wakes causes the birds to abandon their nests, and any eggs or young that might be present. (more on this below*)
It was also found that certain endangered native fish (Colorado River squawfish, bonytailed chub, humpback chub, etc.) lays their eggs in and around the reeds in the Marsh. Again, excessive wakes dislodges the eggs, and harms the protection from predators that the reeds provide.
Everyone involved in the process agreed that a "No Wake" zone would be necessary to protect those species, and it was put in place. The No Wake zone was ordered regardless of whether the Casino/Marina was approved, disapproved or completed. A routine survey of the area was due to be completed a few years after this was done, and the same conclusion would have resulted in the No Wake Zone. The Casino only moved it up a couple of years.
What about the races? You ask. There is a protocol that must be followed whenever races are approved for the area. Racers must stay as far to the Arizona side as possible, there must be at least a one weekend lull between events, and strict enforcement of the zone must be conducted at all other times. This will minimize the disturbance in the Marsh and assist in maintaining, and hopefully increasing, the species population.
The No Wake Zone at Blue Water has nothing to do with boat safety or the Casino. It's strictly for species management.
Speaking of permits, this brings me to my 2nd point. There is a common denominator between the 3 boat wrecks this past weekend and the deadliest collision on the Parker Strip, EVER. In both instances, there were these "word-of-mouth", under the radar, "Boat floats", "Boat shows", "Show and shine" or whatever you dick swingers want to call it. You don't want to do it the RIGHT way. That is, getting permits, sanction, insurance, safety boats, divers, medics, course closures, rules, etc. You just invite every top fuel wannabe to come out here and wave your cranks around to see who can be the loudest, fastest, most obnoxious, (oh yeah, and most DANGEROUS) boat on the River.
Wow. They hit a wake. A PWC got in my way. Who fucking expects a wake or a PWC on the Parker Strip on a 100 degree weekend. Umm. Like EVERYONE. All these "experienced" drivers losing control, running into docks, running over other boats. Wow. It must have been a steering failure. That's the excuse. Yeah right. I know of at least 6 collisions where 6 boats "lost steering" in that exact spot, ending up with the same conclusion. Either over another boat, on the dock or T-bone into the sea wall. Funny it doesn't happen anywhere else. Just there. But I digress.
If you idiots want to show off your loud, fast boats, join a circuit. Enter a race. Put down the beer. Get a capsule, put on a helmet and a Lifeline and do it the right fucking way. Too many people are getting seriously injured, crippled, and killed because you're too stupid, inconsiderate or broke to do it right. There's a reason auto drag races aren't done up and down the street in front of your house. There's a reason there are special speedways for racing and F1-Indy-NASCAR isn't happening on Main Street, USA with everyone and their granny cruising down to Walmart in their Prius.
It's not the wake boats. It's not the PWCs. It's YOU!
Damn, I love being retired.
Sorry but the ballast tanks and wake shapers on the 2019/2020 Wakesetters etc... they are insane, something has to be done about them running on the river. I live on The Strip and it is crazy to watch these rollers and their after affects.
Since you live on the strip (I'm jealous by the way! ) do you also have issues with the large offshore cats or deep V's? Although I wasn't out there this weeked I have heard there were 28 ft DCB's and deep v offshore boats all over the river. Also I cant count how many times I was passed by a huge boat in parker. Those boats have given me just as much issues with wakes as some wakeboard boats.
If your going to want to ban the wakeboard boats why not those also? Why not anything above 22ft?Why not anything with more that 400hp? If you start the regulations on what type of boats are allowed on the water you are going to cripple the small towns economy. Which is what Parker survives on. JMO
Rivermobster.. he's referencing 3 kids getting ran over because there was a "common denominator" of a v-drive get together that weekend as well. Bullshit. How bout 99% of the other fatalities on the strip that have absolutely no "common denominator" to the small hotrod boats he has issues with. A dumb ass is a dumb ass.. and trust me... there is plenty out right now as always, regardless of the weekend.
How long is the no wake zone on the Delta thats up by the Delta Queen? Near downtown Sacramento
Hahahaha..... So what you are saying is the Jackboot order is in place?
I would advise all the HOA’s Real Estate companies, Bar owners, Business owners, board of tourism to get together ASAP and curb this Immediately!
Rivermobster.. he's referencing 3 kids getting ran over because there was a "common denominator" of a v-drive get together that weekend as well. Bullshit. How bout 99% of the other fatalities on the strip that have absolutely no "common denominator" to the small hotrod boats he has issues with. A dumb ass is a dumb ass.. and trust me... there is plenty out right now as always, regardless of the weekend.
In the ten years I was at Reflections you rarely took your boat out. This doesn’t apply to you.
Nothing is going to change for guys like you that boat responsibly and run when it’s low traffic, glass water.
You didn’t pull bodies out of the water, Alan did, give the man some leeway on his aggravation
Not enough V drives left to label as a problem ever anyways. Any changes will be from bad boating accidents , no matter the boat type.
Same as traffic control on roadways.
Plain and simple
1. No one will hassle you during the time you boatNo my neighbor that worked for Buckskin did many times, and I understand, we also had a death on our beach from a prop strike. Which you know of, and I have seen my share of accidents, and trama.
I am pointing out Alans' biased attitude for a certain performance boat that really has no relevance towards what we are talking about here. It comes down to negligence, not a so-called "dick swinging contest" get together as he puts it.
Even if I only run my flatty a few times a year... I would like to be able to do so w/out hassle.
"What Parker survives on". Guess what, I was on the river at Parker in 1955, not born yet, but Parker was there then and Parker will be there long after RollBar boats are outlawed there. You remind me of all the SoCal folks that say Havasu would dry-up and blow away in the wind if they outlawed FAST big boats on Havasu. Guess what, I used this Lake in the 70's when an Eliminator 19' mini daycruiser V-drive was considered a "batlleship", now it's considered a rowboat on the lake.Since you live on the strip (I'm jealous by the way! ) do you also have issues with the large offshore cats or deep V's? Although I wasn't out there this weeked I have heard there were 28 ft DCB's and deep v offshore boats all over the river. Also I cant count how many times I was passed by a huge boat in parker. Those boats have given me just as much issues with wakes as some wakeboard boats.
If your going to want to ban the wakeboard boats why not those also? Why not anything above 22ft?Why not anything with more that 400hp? If you start the regulations on what type of boats are allowed on the water you are going to cripple the small towns economy. Which is what Parker survives on. JMO
"What Parker survives on". Guess what, I was on the river at Parker in 1955, not born yet, but Parker was there then and Parker will be there long after RollBar boats are outlawed there. You remind me of all the SoCal folks that say Havasu would dry-up and blow away in the wind if they outlawed FAST big boats on Havasu. Guess what, I used this Lake in the 70's when an Eliminator 19' mini daycruiser V-drive was considered a "batlleship", now it's considered a rowboat on the lake.
My point is Parker and Havasu aren't going anywhere if SoCal falls into the Pacific Ocean!! I just look at it as I'll have ocean view property instead of view of lake property.
SO? It's all about the $'s
Boy did I see that coming. "Things have changed" They've been fucking changing forever. "The kids have it harder these days", the fuck they do. You consider getting shot by a BB gun, get hit in the head with a hard ass unripened orange or riding your bike and crashing on the asphalt easier than sitting on a sofa playing a fricking video game, harder.Not saying Parker and Havazoo would go away completely but there would be allot of businesses closing and allot of job loss. Something I think allot of residents would not prefer. Bottom line is you live in a vacation community that is supported in allot of ways by tourism. But times have changed and boats have changed. Not saying you need to change but everything around you is.
Boy did I see that coming. "Things have changed" They've been fucking changing forever. "The kids have it harder these days", the fuck they do. You consider getting shot by a BB gun, get hit in the head with a hard ass unripened orange or riding your bike and crashing on the asphalt easier than sitting on a sofa playing a fricking video game, harder.
You MUST be a generation or two behind me saying things have changed and getting harder. Everything is handed to the newer generations without the knowledge to know how to use it in the proper way. Just as my thread earlier about coves/beach etiquette, the younger folks have NO clue except ME,ME,ME.
Sorry for blasting on you but but people get awful tired of SoCal folks think their the only people that have a clue. Some need to get out of that bubble they live in and give other folks some credit.
You're being awfully diplomatic when saying "neighboring states". But we all know you are the King of diplomacy.
Give a whole new meaning to "prop walk"
People aren't getting it. I don't give a fuck if you drive a flattie, a wake boat, a cat, a day cruiser, a pontoon, a PWC, or anything else. If you can't do it LEGALLY and SAFELY, then stay the fuck home. You all are proving my point. YOU feel that YOU have the right to do anything YOU want, and anyone else who gets in YOUR way should stay on the beach.
I've been around boats and boat races my whole life. From LB Marine Stadium, the Parker 9/7 hour Enduros. NJBA Races at BW, etc. I will also GUARANTEE that I have more hours behind the helm on the Parker Strip than ANYONE. All those times you pulled off because it was too crazy or crowded? I HAD to be out there. Hell, I probably put more hours in one year than most of you have or will have in your entire life. And guess what. I've NEVER had a collision. Why? because I was responsible, alert, and IN CONTROL. Whether the boat had a blue light, or was one of my own boats, I never so much as scratched another piece of gelcoat.
I don't have anything against flatties or any other kind of boat. Except that THEY are the only ones who try to pull off these unlicensed events. They are also the ones that are usually unregistered, illegal exhaust, and flaunt it whenever and wherever they can. And while the boats involved in this weekend's wrecks may have not been actively involved in the illegal event, it contributed to it by putting a whole lot more boats in an already dangerous section of River.
And whoever it was that made the comment about kids on docks, (I'm not going to bother to go back and find out who) proved my point. YOU want to stop people from enjoying THEIR property just because YOU just might come flying by and run over their dock, like it's your right to do so. How about you don't let your kids play hopscotch in your driveway, because I might just want to come driving by at 100 MPH and may lose control and run them over. After all, driveways are to park your car.
Not all PWC operators are idiots. Not all Wakeboat operators are inconsiderate. Not all pontoon boat operators are 70 years old. Not all Flat operators are jerks. Not all DCB owners are stuck-up snobs (well, I'll have to think about that one).
One thing is for sure in this thread. We all found out who the dick swingers are.
You said it just fine Dave!! I myself as a NON-diplomat, would of said SoCaler's.how else would you say it?
People aren't getting it. I don't give a fuck if you drive a flattie, a wake boat, a cat, a day cruiser, a pontoon, a PWC, or anything else. If you can't do it LEGALLY and SAFELY, then stay the fuck home. You all are proving my point. YOU feel that YOU have the right to do anything YOU want, and anyone else who gets in YOUR way should stay on the beach.
I've been around boats and boat races my whole life. From LB Marine Stadium, the Parker 9/7 hour Enduros. NJBA Races at BW, etc. I will also GUARANTEE that I have more hours behind the helm on the Parker Strip than ANYONE. All those times you pulled off because it was too crazy or crowded? I HAD to be out there. Hell, I probably put more hours in one year than most of you have or will have in your entire life. And guess what. I've NEVER had a collision. Why? because I was responsible, alert, and IN CONTROL. Whether the boat had a blue light, or was one of my own boats, I never so much as scratched another piece of gelcoat.
I don't have anything against flatties or any other kind of boat. Except that THEY are the only ones who try to pull off these unlicensed events. They are also the ones that are usually unregistered, illegal exhaust, and flaunt it whenever and wherever they can. And while the boats involved in this weekend's wrecks may have not been actively involved in the illegal event, it contributed to it by putting a whole lot more boats in an already dangerous section of River.
And whoever it was that made the comment about kids on docks, (I'm not going to bother to go back and find out who) proved my point. YOU want to stop people from enjoying THEIR property just because YOU just might come flying by and run over their dock, like it's your right to do so. How about you don't let your kids play hopscotch in your driveway, because I might just want to come driving by at 100 MPH and may lose control and run them over. After all, driveways are to park your car.
Not all PWC operators are idiots. Not all Wakeboat operators are inconsiderate. Not all pontoon boat operators are 70 years old. Not all Flat operators are jerks. Not all DCB owners are stuck-up snobs (well, I'll have to think about that one).
One thing is for sure in this thread. We all found out who the dick swingers are.
It's easier to talk shit and be clever than it is to actually do something productive.
Hopefully @RiverDave will come up with a valid contact email soon.
Every weekend been that way. I asked and everyone is getting in as many trips as possible where normally there kids would be in school and sports. No school no games might as well go to the River. Can't blame them. My Nephew told me earlier he wants to live at the River Pad for Summer. Bringing all 5 of the Nephews and Nieces next week. They want to get out of the house and can't see there school friends so going stir crazy.Seems it’s just getting to crowded.
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BUT!!? aren't you always saying Parker Is Closed?
WELL if so, should Not matter to you= RIGHT?
Under circumstances when you are talking about a vacation community that is supported by tourism......Yes.
Seems it’s just getting to crowded.
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macho man trophy if your luckyGet over yourself. 99% boated safely last weekend. Enforce laws, make arrest, write tickets. Multiple agencies patrol 14 miles of river to enforce laws that are in place. Our freedom allows us to make mistakes and pay the consequences. That's the cost. It ain't free. Anyone that thinks no wake bouys belong in this area start saving your money cause socialism gonna cost you big time. By the way, I have boated since 1973 on strip, what do I win?
Post was towards Mr wonderful, not you. I just assume many think twice before hitting the throttle or operating for that matter. Kids can be safe operators and 40 yr olds can be idiots. Not a lot of laws in place to minimize nonsense but we are not all dick swinging idiots because we didnt join coast guard and drive up and down the river all day all week for a second career. Majority did not crash our vessels into a dock last weekend.macho man trophy if your lucky View attachment 878382