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BUT!!? aren't you always saying Parker Is Closed?
WELL if so, should Not matter to you= RIGHT?
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BUT!!? aren't you always saying Parker Is Closed?
WELL if so, should Not matter to you= RIGHT?
I do not know but am asking here= Is Parker's sole existence Vacation related?
I do not know but am asking here= Is Parker's sole existence Vacation related?
Absolutely not. The Colorado river was dammed up in various places to control the seasonal floods and provide electricity. Parker dam was actually built in 1938. Hoover in 1931. There wasn't a whole lot of boating or vacationing going on back in those days.
Today, the river flows are mostly regulated to control water to the farm lands. If you drive south from Parker, on the AZ side, all you will see is miles and miles of farms. Once you head south pass the 10, and move over to the CA side, it's the same thing for miles. The Imperial Valley lives off the river. Most of the river, from it's beginnings in at Grand Lake CO, is pretty much undeveloped land. By the time the river gets to mexico, there isn't a whole lot of water left.
As far as vacationers go...
The weekend warriors that invaded Havasu and Parker, don't contribute a whole lot to the economy. They buy some gas and food and are on their way. No one there can live on just 2 days of income a week. There is lots of other stuff going on.
The snow birds in the winter, those guys bring in some cash. Yeah they are fixed incomes, and are tight as fuck with their money, but there are there for MONTHS. I know people that rent to the birds, and those few months of rent pay a years worth of their house payments. Think about that for awhile!
There is shit tons of reading out there on the river. Google is your friend. There are also a few good specials on the Disney Channel about the river. The last one I watched was about 2 guys that hiked the entire grand canyon. They were nuts, but they did it. It had only been done once before.
I'm a huge fan of the river. I've been to CO where it starts. I find it fascinating. Lot's of cool history there. [emoji106]
People aren't getting it. I don't give a fuck if you drive a flattie, a wake boat, a cat, a day cruiser, a pontoon, a PWC, or anything else. If you can't do it LEGALLY and SAFELY, then stay the fuck home. You all are proving my point. YOU feel that YOU have the right to do anything YOU want, and anyone else who gets in YOUR way should stay on the beach.
I've been around boats and boat races my whole life. From LB Marine Stadium, the Parker 9/7 hour Enduros. NJBA Races at BW, etc. I will also GUARANTEE that I have more hours behind the helm on the Parker Strip than ANYONE. All those times you pulled off because it was too crazy or crowded? I HAD to be out there. Hell, I probably put more hours in one year than most of you have or will have in your entire life. And guess what. I've NEVER had a collision. Why? because I was responsible, alert, and IN CONTROL. Whether the boat had a blue light, or was one of my own boats, I never so much as scratched another piece of gelcoat.
I don't have anything against flatties or any other kind of boat. Except that THEY are the only ones who try to pull off these unlicensed events. They are also the ones that are usually unregistered, illegal exhaust, and flaunt it whenever and wherever they can. And while the boats involved in this weekend's wrecks may have not been actively involved in the illegal event, it contributed to it by putting a whole lot more boats in an already dangerous section of River.
And whoever it was that made the comment about kids on docks, (I'm not going to bother to go back and find out who) proved my point. YOU want to stop people from enjoying THEIR property just because YOU just might come flying by and run over their dock, like it's your right to do so. How about you don't let your kids play hopscotch in your driveway, because I might just want to come driving by at 100 MPH and may lose control and run them over. After all, driveways are to park your car.
Not all PWC operators are idiots. Not all Wakeboat operators are inconsiderate. Not all pontoon boat operators are 70 years old. Not all Flat operators are jerks. Not all DCB owners are stuck-up snobs (well, I'll have to think about that one).
One thing is for sure in this thread. We all found out who the dick swingers are.
You said it just fine Dave!! I myself as a NON-diplomat, would of said SoCaler's.
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Foxes to Big Bend? Really, that's ridiculous. I had a place at Echo 20 years and sold in 2014 to get my son through college, now that I can go back and was starting to look around if they do this no way I'm coming back. Maybe just maybe the narrow section where the docks end till you get around the corner, it really does get rough there. Not surprised to see those boats on the docks due to drivers that shouldn't have been driving in those conditions.What are your thoughts on Schect proposing a no wake zone from fox’s to big bend?
personally I think it’s going to be more dangerous for one and kill the strip for two.
I read on social media last night that was his proposal. If you are against it what would be the quickest proposed solutions to preventing it and getting rid of this guy?
That would fall into the proposed no wake zone.. From foxes to big bend..
What are your thoughts on Schect proposing a no wake zone from fox’s to big bend?
personally I think it’s going to be more dangerous for one and kill the strip for two.
I read on social media last night that was his proposal. If you are against it what would be the quickest proposed solutions to preventing it?
and more to the point getting rid of this guy? He has absolutely ruined Parker with hyper enforcement on the strip. Myself and others barely go there anymore because of it.
Who is schect? What’s his full name did a quick google search couldn’t find him
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What are your thoughts on Schect proposing a no wake zone from fox’s to big bend?
personally I think it’s going to be more dangerous for one and kill the strip for two.
I read on social media last night that was his proposal. If you are against it what would be the quickest proposed solutions to preventing it?
and more to the point getting rid of this guy? He has absolutely ruined Parker with hyper enforcement on the strip. Myself and others barely go there anymore because of it.
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Go tear it up before you can't!!!!
He's this guy (Named spelled wrong in this thread, including the newspaper article) ----- Boating/OHV Supervisor Lt. Donald Schlecht: [email protected]
Here ya go boys and girls, get busy writing!!
Agree that there should not be a full time restriction. At the most, as you say, holiday w/e's for certain hours. Other than that is is unnecessary and the bandwidth to patrol it does not exist.Thank you for sharing the contacts. I have sent emails to the contacts listed. I certainly hope they don't make a knee jerk reaction here. While I am not in favor of any restrictions, if they are inevitable, I certainly hope it is only on Holiday Weekends or some type of time limitation like that. As a property owner and someone that boats out there all year, a 5mph zone in that section all year would be absolutely unnecessary. I hope they don't take away the opportunity for the good ole Dam to Dam ski rides.
A couple of years ago Lake Arrowhead closed off a bay after an unfortunate accident. But they only turned it into a 5mph zone on the 3 summer holiday weekends. That has been fine. The rest of the year, you can still ski around the bay. If there are any restrictions, I hope they take a reasonable approach and it isn't all day/everyday.
The word "Schlecht" in German translates to:He's this guy (Named spelled wrong in this thread, including the newspaper article) ----- Boating/OHV Supervisor Lt. Donald Schlecht: [email protected]
I'm still missing how a wakeboard boat has to do with anything about the crashes from the weekend. So you guys are saying to its to rough for you so the smoother water will help you not crash into a dock or house? Maybe parker isn't for you, maybe a lake in south Dakota or something is for you.
His proposal is like a lawsuit, request the highest limit and get half of that.That would fall into the proposed no wake zone.. From foxes to big bend..
Who are you calling an idiot?!!!A couple of points, I've noticed in this thread.
First, the Blue Water No Wake Zone: When the Tribes proposed the Blue Water Resort/Casino/Marina, a requirement of the Corps of Engineers permit was a full environmental impact survey. All concerned agencies, Army Corps, US Fish and Wildlife, US Coast Guard, AZ Game and Fish, CA Fish and Game, CRIT Fish and Game, CRIT EPA and a slew of others spent over a year going over the entire area. What was discovered, was that several endangered species of birds and native fish called the Moovalya Marsh, across from the Resort, their home. Primarily the Yuma Clapper Rail, an endangered species of bird, built it's nests on the water surface, back in the marsh. Excessive disturbance by boat wakes causes the birds to abandon their nests, and any eggs or young that might be present. (more on this below*)
It was also found that certain endangered native fish (Colorado River squawfish, bonytailed chub, humpback chub, etc.) lays their eggs in and around the reeds in the Marsh. Again, excessive wakes dislodges the eggs, and harms the protection from predators that the reeds provide.
Everyone involved in the process agreed that a "No Wake" zone would be necessary to protect those species, and it was put in place. The No Wake zone was ordered regardless of whether the Casino/Marina was approved, disapproved or completed. A routine survey of the area was due to be completed a few years after this was done, and the same conclusion would have resulted in the No Wake Zone. The Casino only moved it up a couple of years.
What about the races? You ask. There is a protocol that must be followed whenever races are approved for the area. Racers must stay as far to the Arizona side as possible, there must be at least a one weekend lull between events, and strict enforcement of the zone must be conducted at all other times. This will minimize the disturbance in the Marsh and assist in maintaining, and hopefully increasing, the species population.
The No Wake Zone at Blue Water has nothing to do with boat safety or the Casino. It's strictly for species management.
Speaking of permits, this brings me to my 2nd point. There is a common denominator between the 3 boat wrecks this past weekend and the deadliest collision on the Parker Strip, EVER. In both instances, there were these "word-of-mouth", under the radar, "Boat floats", "Boat shows", "Show and shine" or whatever you dick swingers want to call it. You don't want to do it the RIGHT way. That is, getting permits, sanction, insurance, safety boats, divers, medics, course closures, rules, etc. You just invite every top fuel wannabe to come out here and wave your cranks around to see who can be the loudest, fastest, most obnoxious, (oh yeah, and most DANGEROUS) boat on the River.
Wow. They hit a wake. A PWC got in my way. Who fucking expects a wake or a PWC on the Parker Strip on a 100 degree weekend. Umm. Like EVERYONE. All these "experienced" drivers losing control, running into docks, running over other boats. Wow. It must have been a steering failure. That's the excuse. Yeah right. I know of at least 6 collisions where 6 boats "lost steering" in that exact spot, ending up with the same conclusion. Either over another boat, on the dock or T-bone into the sea wall. Funny it doesn't happen anywhere else. Just there. But I digress.
If you idiots want to show off your loud, fast boats, join a circuit. Enter a race. Put down the beer. Get a capsule, put on a helmet and a Lifeline and do it the right fucking way. Too many people are getting seriously injured, crippled, and killed because you're too stupid, inconsiderate or broke to do it right. There's a reason auto drag races aren't done up and down the street in front of your house. There's a reason there are special speedways for racing and F1-Indy-NASCAR isn't happening on Main Street, USA with everyone and their granny cruising down to Walmart in their Prius.
It's not the wake boats. It's not the PWCs. It's YOU!
Damn, I love being retired.
Dont tell me what to doThis is why the libtards win Every time...
Here we sit (as boaters) doing Exactly what Alan pointed out...
Having a dick swinging party! Don't you just hate it when someone else is right besides you? LoL
Raise your hand if you're composing an Intelligent letter, if not, STFU and get busy!!
We all need to be on the same side here.
Dont tell me what to do
You must have told him in your original letter that you know River Dave........So.............
I just got off the phone with Duce Minor! He called me concerning my email I wrote to him yesterday.
Very cool dude. Total river guy! He actually lives full time in Parker. He's about my age, so he remembers the old days and how things used to be, and agrees, that because of the CA lock down, it's TEMPORALLY CRAZY out there right now!
He said he called the Sheriff about the proposed "no wake zone" and told me..........
Wait for it...............................
That the whole "no wake zone" thing is just a rumor!!! lol
He had no idea how it got started, but wasn't really concerned how it did. But he was adamant it was only a rumor. There is no "no wake zone" being planned.
We did have a nice chat about wake board boats though, and NO, I did not bring it up!!! He lives where there are private docks on the water, and said they will be having an HOA meeting shortly about what can be done about the docks getting hammered and tied up boats being sunk.
Needless to say, I like this guy!!!!!!!!!! lol
We talked for ten minutes or so. Just like I would with anyone else about the river. I'd be happy to share a drink with the guy.
So go back to your business citizens. Everyone can relax.
P.S. Just to confirm, I called back the number that called me. It was the La Paz county office, and the girl who answered confirmed he had been calling people all morning.
I'm gonna go have me a drink!
So.............
I just got off the phone with Duce Minor! He called me concerning my email I wrote to him yesterday.
Very cool dude. Total river guy! He actually lives full time in Parker. He's about my age, so he remembers the old days and how things used to be, and agrees, that because of the CA lock down, it's TEMPORALLY CRAZY out there right now!
He said he called the Sheriff about the proposed "no wake zone" and told me..........
Wait for it...............................
That the whole "no wake zone" thing is just a rumor!!! lol
He had no idea how it got started, but wasn't really concerned how it did. But he was adamant it was only a rumor. There is no "no wake zone" being planned.
We did have a nice chat about wake board boats though, and NO, I did not bring it up!!! He lives where there are private docks on the water, and said they will be having an HOA meeting shortly about what can be done about the docks getting hammered and tied up boats being sunk.
Needless to say, I like this guy!!!!!!!!!! lol
We talked for ten minutes or so. Just like I would with anyone else about the river. I'd be happy to share a drink with the guy.
So go back to your business citizens. Everyone can relax.
P.S. Just to confirm, I called back the number that called me. It was the La Paz county office, and the girl who answered confirmed he had been calling people all morning.
I'm gonna go have me a drink!
If the story is true and Deuce is being honest, the LEO's are trying to slide some shit in under the radar of the county supervisors.
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Damn it Allan , dont tell me you don't like Bassets . Ha ha !
Sounds more like a deflection.
Didn't the article say the sheriff made the request to the coast guard?