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This is a great article I came across that explains why it keeps rising...



Why Markets Don’t Seem to Care If the Economy Stinks

Barry Ritholtz

August 5, 2020
The stock market has been on a tear, yet the economy is in the dumps. So why do so many people believe -- undoubtedly incorrectly -- that the stock market has decoupled from reality?

The economy many people experience, while bleak, is local, personal and, for the most part, either not publicly traded or plays only a small part in the stock market’s moves. To explain why these personal experiences have so little effect on equity markets, we must look more closely at the market role of the weakest industry sectors.

The surprising conclusion: The most visible and economically vulnerable industries are also among the smallest, based on their market-capitalization weight in major indexes such as the S&P 500. Markets, it turns out, are not especially vulnerable to highly visible but relatively tiny industries. The 30 most economically damaged industry categories could be de-listed before tomorrow’s market open, and it would hardly shave more than a few percentage points off the S&P 500.

This is so despite the worst U.S. economic collapse since the Great Depression. All of the economic data is so bad that figures on gross domestic product, unemployment and initial jobless claims must be re-scaled to even fit on charts.

But the U.S. economy is not the stock market and vice versa. As we discussed before, ignoring overseas strength is a major oversight. The so-called FAANGs (along with Microsoft) derive about half -- and in some cases even more -- of their revenue from abroad. Beyond that, the pandemic lockdown in the U.S. has benefitted the giant tech companies’ sales and profits. No wonder the Nasdaq Composite 100 Index, which is dominated by big tech companies, is up about 26% this year.

But a reasonable person might argue that GDP fell by about a third in the second quarter and the S&P 500 should be in synch with that. What’s more, of the 500 companies in the S&P 500, about 450 of them are doing terribly. Industries such as retail, travel, energy, entertainment, dining have seen sales evaporate. Bankruptcies are piling up -- legendary retailer Lord & Taylor is just the latest -- and more are surely coming. Yet, the S&P 500, after a huge plunge in March, is up 2% this year.

Market capitalization explains why.

Start with some of 2020’s worst-performing industries: Year-to-date (as of the end of July), these include department stores, down 62.6%; airlines, off 55%; travel services, down 51.4%; oil and gas equipment and services, down 50.5%; resorts and casinos, down 45.4%; and hotel and motel real estate investment trusts, off 41.9%. The next 15 industry sectors in the index are down between 30.5% and 41.7%. And that’s four months after the market rebounded from the lows of late March.

These are highly visible industries, with companies that are well-covered by the news media with household names known to many consumers. Retailers are everywhere we go. Gas stations, chain restaurants and hotels are ubiquitous in cities and suburbs across the country.

So although high visibility industries may be of considerable significance to the economy, they are not very significant to the capitalization-weighted stock market indexes.

Consider how little these beaten-up sectors mentioned above affect the indexes. Department stores may have fallen 62.3%, but on a market-cap basis they are a mere 0.01% of the S&P 500. Airlines are larger, but not much: They weigh in at 0.18% of the index. The story is the same for travel services, hotel and motel REITs, and resorts and casinos.

The market is telling us that these industries just don’t matter very much to stock market performance. And the sectors that do matter? Consider just four industry group -- internet content, software infrastructure, consumer electronics and internet retailers -- account for more than $8 trillion in market value, or almost a quarter of total U.S. stock market value of about $35 trillion. Take the 10 biggest technology companies in the S&P 500 and weight them equally, and they would be up more than 37% for the year. Do the same for the next 490 names in the index, and they are down about 7.7%. That shows just how much a few giants matter to the index.

On some level, it’s completely understandable why many people believe that markets are no longer tethered to reality because the performance doesn’t correspond to their personal experience, which is one of job loss, economic hardship and personal despair. But what’s important to understand is that indexes based on market-cap weighting can be -- as they are now -- driven by the gains of just a handful of companies.

We can argue about whether the way the market reacts is good or bad and never reach a satisfying conclusion. But one thing the market isn’t is irrational or disconnected from is the reality of market capitalization, and its impact on stock indexes.
 
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Thanks for the read....very interesting. I was guessing at the start of the article it might be because of the strength of the US compared to other countries. As messed up as things are we are not as bad as other countries. My son was just showing me an article from Belarus or some other Eastern Europe country with an uprising there as well. Crazy times!!!!
 

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11/3/20 Will be the day the media realizes their major failure making a minority of the United States population a majority supporting the far left bullshit going on in some of our cities.Unheard of destroying businesses,buildings.Morons about to find their proper place.Stock market is doing well because real people are working;@ getting us past the “China Virus”
 

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look at new york... all the wealthy left. people with money will continue to make money in good or bad times. i dabble with robinhood and make my little peaks and valleys, my brother in law moves billions around in the markets/loans daily at work. the majority of us are just ants in comparison.
 

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Usually goes down on election years when the existing administration is not going to be maintained.
confidence Trump stays in office keeps market stable
 

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11/3/20 Will be the day the media realizes their major failure making a minority of the United States population a majority supporting the far left bullshit going on in some of our cities.Unheard of destroying businesses,buildings.Morons about to find their proper place.Stock market is doing well because real people are working;@ getting us past the “China Virus”
Our business is as busy as ever and from what I can tell new construction in general is very busy .... seems like everyone has money to spend
 

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There is constantly more money feeding the stock market, because that money is chasing returns. The bond market and Treasurys are wallowing along because of near zero interest rates, so fund managers and individuals are forced to buy stocks. That fuels stock price growth, but almost all of that money is going into tech stocks and a few other companies, as the OP's link suggests.
 
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