7 dead after shooting in Riverside County (Aguanga)

[WhatExit?]

7 people dead after shooting at suspected California marijuana operation
Over 1,000 pounds of marijuana was found at the property in the unincorporated area of Aguanga.

7 people dead after shooting at suspected California marijuana operation

Over 1,000 pounds of marijuana was found at the property in the unincorporated area of Aguanga.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

Wow! What movies are made from.

 

[monkeyswrench]

"Ilicit" is a fancy word for illegal, right? So these were "undocumented" plants? Pretty rare when legitimate farms or ranches have this kind of violence...

 

[retaocleg]

so, if they left the weed, doesn't sound like robbery was the motive?

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Mother in law lives in Aguanga.....

 

[Mandelon]

Maybe they stole the cash and left the weed behind?

 

[Mototrig]

Mother in law lives in Aguanga.....

Is she the sharpshooter?

 

[Spudsbud]

Everybody got killed.......

 

[Wheeler]

They might not have been able to fit all of weed in their car.

As I recall weed ain't very dense.

 

[FROGMAN524]

Sounds like Sicario


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[Groper]

Geezeeusss couldn't they afford a better vacuum packing machine to get as much air out of the packages as possible, rookies's

Sounds like Sicario


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Exactly I wish they'd make a third, forth .......

 

[NicPaus]

Geezeeusss couldn't they afford a better vacuum packing machine to get as much air out of the packages as possible, rookies's View attachment 920435

That's not brick weed. Lol.

 

[t&y]

This is impossible. We have had long winded detailed and opinionated discussions on here highlighting how legalizing weed eliminates crime associated with it. This is all just more fake news. Leave the wonder drug alone.

 

[Fun Times]

Reading this news makes me wonder if the shooting in Moreno Valley last night is somehow related.

Moreno Valley- On 9/07/2020 at approximately 9PM, Riverside Sheriffs Department, CalFire/Riverside County Fire Department and AMR responded to reports of a shooting in the 22000 Block of Allies Place. (Allies Pl is a street near Frederick & Alessandro)
Once on scene, Riverside Sheriff's located three shooting victims in an open parking area near the pool of the comlex.
CalFire was cleared in and began patient care. Two of the shooting victims were transported to a nearby trauma center with gunshot wounds. Life saving measures... were attempted but the third victim was pronounced deceased at the scene.
Riverside Sheriffs Department is currently investigating the cause of the shooting. No further information is available at this time.
Full incident video available on YouTube... https://youtu.be/lRXIXI9p1xU
#ochawk #ochawknews #och #Shooting #Homicide
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One comment said RIP Danny

 

[Taboma]

This is impossible. We have had long winded detailed and opinionated discussions on here highlighting how legalizing weed eliminates crime associated with it. This is all just more fake news. Leave the wonder drug alone.

Pretty hard to stem the black market pot tide, when so many various cities and counties put every "Red Tape" and greedy "Taxation" obstacle they can think up in the path of the legal growth and sales.

 

[t&y]

Pretty hard to stem the black market pot tide, when so many various cities and counties put every "Red Tape" and greedy "Taxation" obstacle they can think up in the path of the legal growth and sales.

That's one angle, the other is they are just as easy to rob patrons coming and going as the all night 7-11's. Happens all the time. The weed shops in our area all have armed security and usually more than just one. They don't care what happens in the parking lot. Some of them got smart and have a sally port entrance. I wonder why?

 

[jeteater1]

There are shootings up there all the time now, other them Mexicans all over the place. They raid places on mondays and Tuesdays on wednesdays they are replanting.

 

[Taboma]

That's one angle, the other is they are just as easy to rob patrons coming and going as the all night 7-11's. Happens all the time. The weed shops in our area all have armed security and usually more than just one. They don't care what happens in the parking lot. Some of them got smart and have a sally port entrance. I wonder why?

I have no idea, not my vice.
All I know is when you legalize it on one hand, then make it difficult to find, or to expensive to purchase, or restrict it to cash only sales, you're encouraging a continuing and lucrative black market trade.
But sure, let's just go back to that "War on Drugs", based on it's obvious success.

 

[Ziggy]

There are shootings up there all the time now, other them Mexicans all over the place. They raid places on mondays and Tuesdays on wednesdays they are replanting.

Was this anywhere near you guys or off into the hills more?

 

[t&y]

I have no idea, not my vice.
All I know is when you legalize it on one hand, then make it difficult to find, or to expensive to purchase, or restrict it to cash only sales, you're encouraging a continuing and lucrative black market trade.
But sure, let's just go back to that "War on Drugs", based on it's obvious success.

Oh I get the war on drugs argument. Not my dog in the fight. I'm all for people fucking themselves up in any manner they want, be it drugs or another vice. My issue comes into play when they start having a negative impact on the people or community around them. There were and I'm sure still are a ton of people that believe simply legalizing a drug takes away the crime associated with it. Same argument would apply to renaming Homeless people "Outdoorsmen" to eliminate the homeless problem.

 

[Dana757]

This is impossible. We have had long winded detailed and opinionated discussions on here highlighting how legalizing weed eliminates crime associated with it. This is all just more fake news. Leave the wonder drug alone.

lol it's a 100% cash business. I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often.

 

[Andy B.]

Oh I get the war on drugs argument. Not my dog in the fight. I'm all for people fucking themselves up in any manner they want, be it drugs or another vice. My issue comes into play when they start having a negative impact on the people or community around them. There were and I'm sure still are a ton of people that believe simply legalizing a drug takes away the crime associated with it. Same argument would apply to renaming Homeless people "Outdoorsmen" to eliminate the homeless problem.

To much common sense in this post dems won't understand!

 

[t&y]

lol it's a 100% cash business. I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often.

Happens way more than is reported in the media. No surprise at all, and it was actually one of my points to those before they legalized it here in Cali. Like I said earlier, there is a reason they have armed security and sally ports.

 

[Taboma]

Oh I get the war on drugs argument. Not my dog in the fight. I'm all for people fucking themselves up in any manner they want, be it drugs or another vice. My issue comes into play when they start having a negative impact on the people or community around them. There were and I'm sure still are a ton of people that believe simply legalizing a drug takes away the crime associated with it. Same argument would apply to renaming Homeless people "Outdoorsmen" to eliminate the homeless problem.

OK, well people have a negative impact on other people, I know they do me, any suggestions ? If only we could all just get along and work together to create a perfect world. There's a lot of people who believe that's possible too.

I once lived with a female cop friend (No not my GF), so good were her undercover accomplishments, they wrote a book about her bravery.
Her and her female partner were assigned to vice for awhile to pop propositioning John's. Got so good at it, it gave them a brilliant idea, which was going to Nevada on weekends and making moonlighting money as hookers. Would seem that some cops are people too, while advocating, do as I say, not as I do.

After living in Germany, where prostitution was legal, and rape far less prevalent, I believe that should be legalized as well, but no, let's stick with our Puritan ideals, that's working awesome too.

But hey, I don't pretend for an instant to have all the answers other than simply exterminating all the people, hence saving the planet.

 

[jeteater1]

Was this anywhere near you guys or off into the hills more?
[/QUOT] . The estates I'm in things are pretty low key. It was more in Anza where all the bad shit happens. Pretty sad lots of non English speaking asians with Montana plates are the ones causing most of the problems over here. Buying land with cash ,stealing water , dumping trash and chemicals .

 

[jeteater1]

This was 2 miles up on 371 from the 79s stop sign

 

[t&y]

OK, well people have a negative impact on other people, I know they do me, any suggestions ? If only we could all just get along and work together to create a perfect world. There's a lot of people who believe that's possible too.

I once lived with a female cop friend (No not my GF), so good were her undercover accomplishments, they wrote a book about her bravery.
Her and her female partner were assigned to vice for awhile to pop propositioning John's. Got so good at it, it gave them a brilliant idea, which was going to Nevada on weekends and making moonlighting money as hookers. Would seem that some cops are people too, while advocating, do as I say, not as I do.

After living in Germany, where prostitution was legal, and rape far less prevalent, I believe that should be legalized as well, but no, let's stick with our Puritan ideals, that's working awesome too.

But hey, I don't pretend for an instant to have all the answers other than simply exterminating all the people, hence saving the planet.

LOl.. you need to go live in the middle of nowhere.

Prostitution, as long as it is truly a consensual prostitute, and not being done in the street/sidewalk/alleyway, go for it. I only deal with it if they are walking the street, or if it is related to human trafficing. HUGE issue with most prostitutes.

So... your cop friend... Was she hot?

 

[was thatguy]

OK, well people have a negative impact on other people, I know they do me, any suggestions ? If only we could all just get along and work together to create a perfect world. There's a lot of people who believe that's possible too.

I once lived with a female cop friend (No not my GF), so good were her undercover accomplishments, they wrote a book about her bravery.
Her and her female partner were assigned to vice for awhile to pop propositioning John's. Got so good at it, it gave them a brilliant idea, which was going to Nevada on weekends and making moonlighting money as hookers. Would seem that some cops are people too, while advocating, do as I say, not as I do.

After living in Germany, where prostitution was legal, and rape far less prevalent, I believe that should be legalized as well, but no, let's stick with our Puritan ideals, that's working awesome too.

But hey, I don't pretend for an instant to have all the answers other than simply exterminating all the people, hence saving the planet.

You argue more than I do lately.
Everything alright?

I mean, Im a proven asshole, but you’re usually more reasonable. Lol

 

[Taboma]

LOl.. you need to go live in the middle of nowhere.

Prostitution, as long as it is truly a consensual prostitute, and not being done in the street/sidewalk/alleyway, go for it. I only deal with it if they are walking the street, or if it is related to human trafficing. HUGE issue with most prostitutes.

So... your cop friend... Was she hot?

Our plan we prepared for by purchasing our ranch property in 2004, was all about living retired in the middle of nowhere --- you nailed it boss
Think Wash 11, although not nearly to that level. Fast forward 16 years and now it's more of a "Plan B" or maybe "C". Of course in those years we enjoyed all the summer months in Havasu, well that's changed as well.

Where we live here in San Diego is fairly remote and wide open spaces compared to the vast majority of local hoods, it's a great place, maybe to much so as it's hard to leave.
Unless we get burned out again, then that's it, we're gone.

Don't get me wrong, my cop friends were cool, wasn't judging, just pointing out they're people too and vice for vice, I think they had me beat.

Yes, this classy cop lady was not only one super bad-ass, but rather Cop-Typical Type AA+ personality, but yes, hot and her black partner, was to die for hot and a real sweet heart to boot.
Then she married my best friend and her uber-controlling personality turned his laid back class C personality into basically a bit of a cuckold. That was a kinda painful, but before that, we all had a lot of fun times and some great parties.

So in your opinion, do you feel that legalizing prostitution (More widely) would mitigate some of the human trafficking ? Or like legalizing pot, just create as many as it might solve. ? How about prohibition ?

My only experience was in Europe, but I had a young German cop beer buddy, he felt it was a good thing (Legal Stress reliever) and was a bit baffled by the American Puritan Ideals. I know public topless and nude swimming was big in Germany and Americans were a dead give away as they stared eyes bulging.

I think the thing that bothered and confounded him most was reading about American cops getting shot and this was in the early 70's. I do know, it was common knowledge that you did not under any circumstances mouth off to German Polizei, or you were in for a serious ass-beating. I think Germany has changed since I was there and I don't think for the better. It was immaculate and clean, even in the cities, I've heard it's no longer like that.

 

[Taboma]

You argue more than I do lately.
Everything alright?

I mean, Im a proven asshole, but you’re usually more reasonable. Lol

Tommy, I'm fucking bored Are you going to kick all these COVID 19 transits off our lake, so I can come back out and play soon, before I lose it completely ?

 

[t&y]

Sex sells in advertising and real life contact, meaning actual sex. It always has, and always will. If they legalize it, there will still be human traffic related issues because it is a product that can be controlled for money. No way around the evil that selling your body brings. If they legalize it, the mafia/mobs/gangs will simply supply their product to the legit places while still controlling the money aspect. Legal or Illegal, the trafficking part will always exist unless we just start killing the traffickers.

 

[boatpi]

You reap what you sew, the person that will always cry is the mothers.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Not a fan of pot, been around hardcore shit as well. There isn't any such thing as a miracle drug...just my thoughts. Deal in illegal stuff, and illegal stuff happens. Reap what you sow.

American "Puritan" ideals...
Now, we all know we can trust Germany for their ideals...been very trustworthy in the past...
Like getting military advice from the French

 

[riverroyal]

7 dead....watch murder mountain on netflix. Weed is a non violent natural plant bro...

 

[rrrr]

This is impossible. We have had long winded detailed and opinionated discussions on here highlighting how legalizing weed eliminates crime associated with it. This is all just more fake news. Leave the wonder drug alone.

I was gonna say the same thing. I've heard it hundreds of times, marijuana arrests are oppressive and it's a nonviolent victimless crime. I especially like the fucktards that say legalization will put the cartels out of business. Oh, sure, they're just going to shrug their shoulders and walk away from billions of dollars. Illegal weed sales are still going strong, and the tons of marijuana crossing the border hasn't let up one bit.

Here in Dallas, black teenagers are killed right and left every week over forty bucks worth of weed.

 

[Danger Dave]

Non english speaking asians with Montana plates?

 

[Taboma]

Not a fan of pot, been around hardcore shit as well. There isn't any such thing as a miracle drug...just my thoughts. Deal in illegal stuff, and illegal stuff happens. Reap what you sow.

American "Puritan" ideals...
Now, we all know we can trust Germany for their ideals...been very trustworthy in the past...
Like getting military advice from the French

Holy crap, now I know where 530RL received his training for advance Pretzel making. You're hanging in the wrong section.
How you got from Sex and Nudity Puritanical sin guilt, to an Aryan Austrian hell bent on world wide domination and genocide of certain ethnic groups, is well, truly confounding, yet certainly deserving of a meritorious Pretzel Award.

 

[HNL2LHC]

Just on Fox news. They noted ties to organized crime.

 

[Carlson-jet]

 

[monkeyswrench]

Holy crap, now I know where 530RL received his training for advance Pretzel making. You're hanging in the wrong section.
How to got from Sex and Nudity Puritanical sin guilt, to an Aryan Austrian hell bent on world wide domination and genocide of certain ethnic groups, is well, truly confounding and certainly deserving of a meritorious Pretzel Award.

German logic baffles me. First they try "whiten the world", and now they import hodji rapists...I just don't look at them as a beacon of great ideas.
Maybe at some point, but not in the early parts of the 20th, or apparently the 21st centuries.
Maybe it's cyclical...and you were there at a good time

 

[jeteater1]

Non english speaking asians with Montana plates?

Most of the pot farms up here are being ran by non English speaking asians with Montana plates on there cars and trucks. My daughter works the cage at our local casino , her boyfriend works as security at the casino. On Monday and Tuesdays the Riverside sheriff's do there raids and the casino is the hiding place for these fucks . Parking lot looks like I'm in Montana, I shit you not 50 to 100 cars . My daughter says they always have muddy clothes on like they ran from the fields. But they have pockets full of hundreds , Anza is a poor people town and the OTM's are making is worse.
We almost bought a 30 acre ranch 15 years ago when we moved down here. I'm so glad I didn't.

 

[Taboma]

German logic baffles me. First they try "whiten the world", and now they import hodji rapists...I just don't look at them as a beacon of great ideas.
Maybe at some point, but not in the early parts of the 20th, or apparently the 21st centuries.
Maybe it's cyclical...and you were there at a good time

You ever been to Europe ? You keep speaking Government, I'm speaking not feeling guilty about exposure of the human body and sex. They are not even remotely similar.
This major differences in our philosophy certainly aren't limited to Germany, but the whole of Europe and many other countries and societies in general.

I only used Germany as an example because that's where I initially experienced how religion has programmed us to believe that nakedness and sex is sinful, which creates associated guilt.
In the early 90's I was reminded of this after spending time in Tahiti. Spent days rowing an outrigger canoe out to various Motus, where the native Tahitians went to escape the tourist traps and felt no shame as they played and swam half naked, like children, free of the sin of sexual guilt and moral policing.

Germany in the early 70's was a beautiful country and I was there during good times and I was tempted to stay.
Unfortunately, they were importing cheap labor from many other countries to perform low skilled jobs. With them came their religious beliefs and ideals, over time this has manifested into many of the problems Europe is facing today --- Ring any bells ?

Once you're able to spend some time living with others who are free from those religion conditioned "Guilt" burdens and the associated sexual frustrations, you'll understand.

 

[Ziggy]

You ever been to Europe ? You keep speaking Government, I'm speaking not feeling guilty about exposure of the human body and sex. They are not even remotely similar.
This major differences in our philosophy certainly aren't limited to Germany, but the whole of Europe and many other countries and societies in general.

I only used Germany as an example because that's where I initially experienced how religion has programmed us to believe that nakedness and sex is sinful, which creates associated guilt.
In the early 90's I was reminded of this after spending time in Tahiti. Spent days rowing an outrigger canoe out to various Motus, where the native Tahitians went to escape the tourist traps and felt no shame as they played and swam half naked, like children, free of the sin of sexual guilt and moral policing.

Germany in the early 70's was a beautiful country and I was there during good times and I was tempted to stay.
Unfortunately, they were importing cheap labor from many other countries to perform low skilled jobs. With them came their religious beliefs and ideals, over time this has manifested into many of the problems Europe is facing today --- Ring any bells ?

Once you're able to spend some time living with others who are free from those religion conditioned "Guilt" burdens and the associated sexual frustrations, you'll understand.

I've always said the US is one of a few that are "uptight" about body exposure because of what their neighbors might think but I also think it's mostly a facade. Other countries are for actual religious reasons. However, travel around the world and many are not pretentious and toplessness(at least) is quite the norm.

 

[Taboma]

I've always said the US is one of a few that are "uptight" about body exposure because of what their neighbors might think but I also think it's mostly a facade. Other countries are for actual religious reasons. However, travel around the world and many are not pretentious and toplessness(at least) is quite the norm.

I agree, with most American's it's what's been passed down from generation to generation as being good or bad, right or wrong. I grew up with a father who was a bit of a rebel in his youth. Was issued citations many times during the 20's and 30's for indecent exposure by the moral police, as he had the audacity to wear a single piece bathing suit that exposed his bare chest.
So yes, seeing him run around the house naked was the norm and in today's world might get him arrested and his child (me) abducted by CPS for their own good.
I scolded him once for inadvertently exposing himself when my wife and I were assisting in his elderly care. He just started laughing and responded " Oh for Christ's sake, it's a penis, I'm sure your wife has seen one before, it's just like yours, expect bigger" I thought my wife and I would never stop laughing. Even close to the end, the man had one hell of a sense of humor.

 

[monkeyswrench]

You ever been to Europe ? You keep speaking Government, I'm speaking not feeling guilty about exposure of the human body and sex. They are not even remotely similar.
This major differences in our philosophy certainly aren't limited to Germany, but the whole of Europe and many other countries and societies in general.

I only used Germany as an example because that's where I initially experienced how religion has programmed us to believe that nakedness and sex is sinful, which creates associated guilt.
In the early 90's I was reminded of this after spending time in Tahiti. Spent days rowing an outrigger canoe out to various Motus, where the native Tahitians went to escape the tourist traps and felt no shame as they played and swam half naked, like children, free of the sin of sexual guilt and moral policing.

Germany in the early 70's was a beautiful country and I was there during good times and I was tempted to stay.
Unfortunately, they were importing cheap labor from many other countries to perform low skilled jobs. With them came their religious beliefs and ideals, over time this has manifested into many of the problems Europe is facing today --- Ring any bells ?

Once you're able to spend some time living with others who are free from those religion conditioned "Guilt" burdens and the associated sexual frustrations, you'll understand.

This may piss you off, and I appologize beforehand if it does. Not my intention, to offend, just my point of view:
I look to no other country than my own. We may not be perfect, but the term "...a more perfect union..." comes to mind. Acting as if religion is only from the Bible or the Quran is rather obtuse by modern standards. The leftwing indoctrination of our youth, the comminist ideals of China, they are not any different with the exception of the goals to attain. Religion is more or less a set of ideals or guidelines, what makes the impact on the world are those that practice, and how they choose.

This country may not have the ideals perfectly aligned with your beliefs. Same can be said of us all. Some of us believe that murderers and molesters should die. Oddly enough, not really the religious "do no harm" types standing up for their rights. So, the "religion" protecting them is not that of the Bible...and most those that follow the Bible choose which verse best suites their outlook on the situation. The way it used to be here, we could practice religion how the individual saw fit, or not at all. Now, you must believe in someone's religion, be it political or Biblical.

...and no, I haven't been to Europe. At my age I wouldn't have been able to see it when you did. You saw the Berlin wall, it came down when I was in grade school. I have friends, either through cars or military, that have been, or live, in various parts of Europe. From what they tell me, here, this country, is where I should want to be. Even with it's faults, I wouldn't consider being anywhere else.
Legalizing drugs and prostitution seems to be more frequently done in more socialist societies. I don't know, are there safer quality drugs there? Do they train junkies how not to OD? Do they have people protesting the "objectification" of the girls in the windows? Do they have prostitutes working soley to pay for their legalized habit? In which case, the only difference is the law. Increasingly those aren't being enforced anymore anyway.

Hard to see what's over the horizon.

 

[Taboma]

This may piss you off, and I appologize beforehand if it does. Not my intention, to offend, just my point of view:
I look to no other country than my own. We may not be perfect, but the term "...a more perfect union..." comes to mind. Acting as if religion is only from the Bible or the Quran is rather obtuse by modern standards. The leftwing indoctrination of our youth, the comminist ideals of China, they are not any different with the exception of the goals to attain. Religion is more or less a set of ideals or guidelines, what makes the impact on the world are those that practice, and how they choose.

This country may not have the ideals perfectly aligned with your beliefs. Same can be said of us all. Some of us believe that murderers and molesters should die. Oddly enough, not really the religious "do no harm" types standing up for their rights. So, the "religion" protecting them is not that of the Bible...and most those that follow the Bible choose which verse best suites their outlook on the situation. The way it used to be here, we could practice religion how the individual saw fit, or not at all. Now, you must believe in someone's religion, be it political or Biblical.

...and no, I haven't been to Europe. At my age I wouldn't have been able to see it when you did. You saw the Berlin wall, it came down when I was in grade school. I have friends, either through cars or military, that have been, or live, in various parts of Europe. From what they tell me, here, this country, is where I should want to be. Even with it's faults, I wouldn't consider being anywhere else.
Legalizing drugs and prostitution seems to be more frequently done in more socialist societies. I don't know, are there safer quality drugs there? Do they train junkies how not to OD? Do they have people protesting the "objectification" of the girls in the windows? Do they have prostitutes working soley to pay for their legalized habit? In which case, the only difference is the law. Increasingly those aren't being enforced anymore anyway.

Hard to see what's over the horizon.

You're certainly not offending me, not even a little. But you're doing it again. I'm discussing a glass of water, while you're using it to fill a swimming pool.
I'm extremely proud to be an American, but I do not feel as such, I'm perfect, or is this country perfect. Not in the past, not in the present, nor is anywhere else for that matter. This country and the entire world is governed by the ideals and agenda of men and as such, they are anything but, one size fits all.

I'm not planning on leaving America, ( Although at one time Costa Rica was damned alluring) because we have morality laws, but I have enjoyed other countries that like Ziggy mentioned, aren't so sexually uptight.

Human nakedness in and of itself is not a sin. It's how we were created and how most societies lived in harmony with nature until men arrived from distant shores and in the name of "A Religion", taught and convinced them it was sinful and they should suffer guilt for even thinking it. In addition, for thinking what was in their opinion, lustful thoughts.

I do not believe the world or humanity has benefited as a result of those beliefs. I do not believe that having that opinion should brand me as some socialist liberal, nor should be expanded to the inclusion of everything that's wrong with the world or human's or likewise, the exclusion what's morally and humanly right or wrong.

In closing, I certainly agree with much of what you wrote, but certainly not all.

Can't wait to move to 'Preskitt' and run around buck ass naked --- NAH, just joking, nobody wants to see my aging shit, including me.

 

[monkeyswrench]

@Taboma , it was in the high 30's last night...ain't nobody running 'round naked then Warmed up nice today though.

My beliefs are relatively simple. I'll do what I do, and try not to piss anyone off. In the same way, I'd hope others try not to change what I do. Religion, law, life in general...pretty much the same way.

As for you and @Ziggy , both of you have a much different sphere of influence than myself. Both are a bit older than myself, so just that changes how and when you grew up. Locations that have lived in, or just the world you have seen. I haven't been anywhere but here, in this country. Perspectives are different for everyone.

 

[Taboma]

@Taboma , it was in the high 30's last night...ain't nobody running 'round naked then Warmed up nice today though.

My beliefs are relatively simple. I'll do what I do, and try not to piss anyone off. In the same way, I'd hope others try not to change what I do. Religion, law, life in general...pretty much the same way.

As for you and @Ziggy , both of you have a much different sphere of influence than myself. Both are a bit older than myself, so just that changes how and when you grew up. Locations that have lived in, or just the world you have seen. I haven't been anywhere but here, in this country. Perspectives are different for everyone.

I'm learning about life as I age, every day is school day and every day can be our last. I have regrets but since I can't change them, I try to learn from them.
I have far far more questions, then I do answers.

I'm certainly not trying to change the world, I'm just trying to bob and weave my way through it. I essentially don't mess with those who don't mess with me and I try to show the respect I'd appreciate in return.

I've had people screaming Doom and Gloom "This one is really it, the sky is going to fall this time for sure", for well over 56 years.
Fire and Brimstone Preachers, Birchers, Survivalists, buying banana dehydrators for the for sure thing famine, good friends panic selling everything to purchase their Winnebago escape motorhome, only to end up living in my driveway, plugged into my power and using my water with their dog crapping all over my lawn and his hippie wife trying to get into my pants, while smoking pot in lawn chairs in my front lawn.

My best friend from Georgia, would never let up, every fucking day a new threat to our very existence, once again we were fucked and then years later, some big event would take place --- and AHA, he'd proclaim, I told ya so, my predictions were right.
His end came, but from cancer as a result of his commando service and exposure to agent orange in SE Asia. He never saw that coming or predicted it.
Life doesn't give a shit, the world either.

Pretty simple really, in theory anyway, I'm referring to the "Meaning of Life", the one we climb the mountain to ask of the wise man ---- that's simple, only one reason, same as every other living thing on this rock, reproduction and continuation of the species. So fuck and be merry. I'm at the be merry stage of life.

I'm no liberal, but perhaps some of my views are more liberal than yours, or not, doesn't matter to me, it doesn't change anything and no I won't be parading around naked in the high 30's, and if so, well, there would be nothing to see anyway. Nice chat

 

[was thatguy]

You ever been to Europe ? You keep speaking Government, I'm speaking not feeling guilty about exposure of the human body and sex. They are not even remotely similar.
This major differences in our philosophy certainly aren't limited to Germany, but the whole of Europe and many other countries and societies in general.

I only used Germany as an example because that's where I initially experienced how religion has programmed us to believe that nakedness and sex is sinful, which creates associated guilt.
In the early 90's I was reminded of this after spending time in Tahiti. Spent days rowing an outrigger canoe out to various Motus, where the native Tahitians went to escape the tourist traps and felt no shame as they played and swam half naked, like children, free of the sin of sexual guilt and moral policing.

Germany in the early 70's was a beautiful country and I was there during good times and I was tempted to stay.
Unfortunately, they were importing cheap labor from many other countries to perform low skilled jobs. With them came their religious beliefs and ideals, over time this has manifested into many of the problems Europe is facing today --- Ring any bells ?

Once you're able to spend some time living with others who are free from those religion conditioned "Guilt" burdens and the associated sexual frustrations, you'll understand.

To be fair, Vlad was fighting a wave of them off hundreds of years before that...ring any bells?

 

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To be fair, Vlad was fighting a wave of them off hundreds of years before that...

...and did a pretty good job