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Other than your own self interests, which side are you on? And don't think I care because I don't but it we here can know what, other than your day job and hating on me, you care about.

Look Dan. I’m pissed that Biden is gonna be president. But he didn’t win because of some mass conspiracy to steal an election. He won because Trump alienated 80 million people.

I seriously want to know who you’re going to fight? What protest are you going to be part of? Or are you saying you’re going to pull
Off a McVey type of attack? Armed militia? Or do you just post that garbage to look cool?

Until the Republican party takes responsibility for the loss, nothing will change for next time.


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A burger flipper should be paid $15-20/hr depending on the city or state they live in.
It's a first job, very few make a real career at McDonald's. Flipping burgers is a skilless job, my 9yo flipped his first burger and pancake a couple of years ago, it's a 10 dollar an hour job.
 

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You can bury your head in the "Its Socialism" sandbox for as long as you want... Not going to change the fact that in THIS COUTRY our middle class was strongest when our unions were strongest. Growing the middle class is facilitated by people who are not in the middle class having more $$$ to spend. The absolute best way to do that is to make sure they are paid a fair wage.

I would MUCH rather require Walmart to pay $20/Hr and not have so many of their associates on welfare. That welfare is a direct subsidy into the offshore accounts of one of the richest families in the world.

-Wal-Mart gets $7.8 billion a year in corporate welfare. $6.2 billion of that are in the form of social welfare their employees get via things like Section 8, SNAP, and Medicaid because Wal-Mart doesn’t offer a living wage for most employees. They are America’s biggest private employer.

https://www.listenmoneymatters.com/corporate-welfare/



But yea... Keep telling yourself we don't need this to change
I hate to break it to you. But welfare is not going away. Welfare keeps a ton of politicians in buisness. Ill bet you it expands drastically. Walmart paying 20/hr. Is not charging it
 

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It's a first job, very few make a real career at McDonald's. Flipping burgers is a skilless job, my 9yo flipped his first burger and pancake a couple of years ago, it's a 10 dollar an hour job.


Got it...

If we don't raise the minimum wage we better get ready to:

A) Dramatically expand the welfare system
B) Get used to seeing more impoverished people living on the streets than we do already
C) Build more prisons
D) All of the above.


I would rather pay people to work but you do you...
 

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Got it...

If we don't raise the minimum wage we better get ready to:

A) Dramatically expand the welfare system
B) Get used to seeing more impoverished people living on the streets than we do already
C) Build more prisons
D) All of the above.


I would rather pay people to work but you do you...



All it takes is throwing money at people and everyone will want to work. [emoji23]
 

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Got it...

If we don't raise the minimum wage we better get ready to:

A) Dramatically expand the welfare system
B) Get used to seeing more impoverished people living on the streets than we do already
C) Build more prisons
D) All of the above.


I would rather pay people to work but you do you...
Minimum wage will always be minimum wage, do you think that a Big Mac that cost $5.00 at $10.00 Minimum wage will still be $5.00 when minimum wage is $20.00 an hour? Hell no it's gonna be $10.00. Do you think an F150 is still gonna remain 60k? Nope because they have to raise the wages on the lot porters and car washers and....... Minimum wage earners will still not be able to afford anything because the companies have to raise prices to pay pay for the increased minimum wage. Lube techs are usually min wage so now the hourly rate goes up in the service department because the techs have to get paid double min wage at a min because they have to provide their own tools. It's a trickle down effect. Did you fail math? SMH! MINIMUM WAGE WILL ALWAYS BE MINIMUM WAGE!!
 

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Minimum wage will always be minimum wage, do you think that a Big Mac that cost $5.00 at $10.00 Minimum wage will still be $5.00 when minimum wage is $20.00 an hour? Hell no it's gonna be $10.00. Do you think an F150 is still gonna remain 60k? Nope because they have to raise the wages on the lot porters and car washers and....... Minimum wage earners will still not be able to afford anything because the companies have to raise prices to pay pay for the increased minimum wage. Lube techs are usually min wage so now the hourly rate goes up in the service department because the techs have to get paid double min wage at a min because they have to provide their own tools. It's a trickle down effect. Did you fail math? SMH! MINIMUM WAGE WILL ALWAYS BE MINIMUM WAGE!!
Increasing min wage will inject more $ into the economy, and you'll have more $ chasing after an existing basket of goods. This will cause consumer to bid prices higher, e.g. "inflation."
 

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Look Dan. I’m pissed that Biden is gonna be president. But he didn’t win because of some mass conspiracy to steal an election. He won because Trump alienated 80 million people.

I seriously want to know who you’re going to fight? What protest are you going to be part of? Or are you saying you’re going to pull
Off a McVey type of attack? Armed militia? Or do you just post that garbage to look cool?

Until the Republican party takes responsibility for the loss, nothing will change for next time.


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First of all if you really believe Pedo Joe and the Whore received 80 million legitimate votes you have serious issues.
Second of all Trump is not "the Republican party". President Trump was elected because he's not a politician, not an idiot liberal or crooked RINO and he has been fighting against both for five years.
 

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You can bury your head in the "Its Socialism" sandbox for as long as you want... Not going to change the fact that in THIS COUTRY our middle class was strongest when our unions were strongest. Growing the middle class is facilitated by people who are not in the middle class having more $$$ to spend. The absolute best way to do that is to make sure they are paid a fair wage.

I would MUCH rather require Walmart to pay $20/Hr and not have so many of their associates on welfare. That welfare is a direct subsidy into the offshore accounts of one of the richest families in the world.

-Wal-Mart gets $7.8 billion a year in corporate welfare. $6.2 billion of that are in the form of social welfare their employees get via things like Section 8, SNAP, and Medicaid because Wal-Mart doesn’t offer a living wage for most employees. They are America’s biggest private employer.

https://www.listenmoneymatters.com/corporate-welfare/



But yea... Keep telling yourself we don't need this to change
Is that corporate welfare figure net of the amount of per capita savings that is generated via Walmart's purchasing power and savings that they're able to realize on behalf of the average American? I believe that WM calc'd that amount a while back to be about $1,000 in savings per person in the US... Compare that to your $6.2 billion in "corporate welfare" above, which comes out to a cost of about $20 per person.

Sure, I'll pay $20 a year in "corporate welfare" to save $1,000... Heck, I pay more than that for my Costco memberhip...
 

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First of all if you really believe Pedo Joe and the Whore received 80 million legitimate votes you have serious issues.
Second of all Trump is not "the Republican party". President Trump was elected because he's not a politician, not an idiot liberal or crooked RINO and he has been fighting against both for five years.
80 million. Thats hilarious. Still can't believe anyone believes that.
 

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First of all if you really believe Pedo Joe and the Whore received 80 million legitimate votes you have serious issues.
Second of all Trump is not "the Republican party". President Trump was elected because he's not a politician, not an idiot liberal or crooked RINO and he has been fighting against both for five years.

So what number of legitimate votes do you believe Joe got? Lol.

79?

78.5?

70?

10,000?

Whats not a “ you have serious issues”number in your head? Id like to know how you come up with the number. Canvassing? Polling? Exit polls? Gut feeling???


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OD1 this guy got more votes than the messiah Obama did in 2008 and he never left his basement...

the fix is in...

Obama got 69,000,000 and this guy got close to 80,000,000
 

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OD1 this guy got more votes than the messiah Obama and he never left his basement...

the fix is in...

No, Trump got more anti Trump votes than anyone in history. Biden didn’t get shit.


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I would happily pay 27% more for a Big Mac if i knew every employee made at least $15/Hr. (Full disclaimer: I dont actually eat at McDonald's so this is very much a hypothetical example...)
You would gladly pay extra for something you don't buy = You are full of shit.

When your 30 dollar vegan burrito becomes 55 dollars, you are gonna celebrate because it still takes the prep cook 4 hours work to buy his lunch?

It's complete bullshit, and even funnier, you actually believe this drivel.
 

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Sure is strange that it only happened in a few strategic corrupt democrat cities and not the rest of the U.S.

You mean the largest cities in the country? With the majority of low income minorities? The exact people who feel alienated? Yeah. Like I said. A few select words, a couple of free cell phones, Trump would have won by a landslide.


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Sure is strange that it only happened in a few strategic corrupt democrat cities and not the rest of the U.S.

Yep, look at the bell weather counties across the U.S. that are very consistent at predicting the winner, and Trump kicked ass in almost every one.
 

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You mean the largest cities in the country? With the majority of low income minorities? The exact people who feel alienated? Yeah. Like I said. A few select words, a couple of free cell phones, Trump would have won by a landslide.


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Oh you mean the republican the got the most minority votes since the sixty's?
 

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Oh you mean the republican the got the most minority votes since the sixty's?

A lot has changed in 60 years. Could blacks vote in Georgia in the 60’s? Or would they dare attempt to?


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Oh you mean the republican the got the most minority votes since the sixty's?

Maybe you should rethink your reply, what's that have to do with my statement.

Idk, it’s bad English and I did my best to interpret it. “The republican the got”. Makes no sense to me.


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So what number of legitimate votes do you believe Joe got? Lol.

79?

78.5?

70?

10,000?

Whats not a “ you have serious issues”number in your head? Id like to know how you come up with the number. Canvassing? Polling? Exit polls? Gut feeling???


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You actually think a demented pedophile campaigning from his basement received 15 million more votes than the libturd deit🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
 

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You actually think a demented pedophile campaigning from his basement received 15 million more votes than the libturd deit[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji23]

Until you show me proof to the contrary. Yep!


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You're an idiot or a liar.

Tell me how you came up with your assessment. Gut feelings don’t elect presidents. I’m dealing in known facts. Guess I’m an idiot. How many votes did old Joe get?


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Tell me how you came up with your assessment. Gut feelings don’t elect presidents. I’m dealing in known facts. Guess I’m an idiot. How many votes did old Joe get?


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No way to tell, it was rigged and you damn well know it.
Ballots mailed to unverified recipients across the country with no way to verify who filled them out, you know it was rigged. That's just for starters. Why do you hate your own Republic?
 
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Increasing min wage will inject more $ into the economy, and you'll have more $ chasing after an existing basket of goods. This will cause consumer to bid prices higher, e.g. "inflation."
How does that fix the problem that the minimum wage earners are having, inflation means they still won't be able to afford anything. That's the point I was trying to make.
 

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It's a first job, very few make a real career at McDonald's. Flipping burgers is a skilless job, my 9yo flipped his first burger and pancake a couple of years ago, it's a 10 dollar an hour job.
But the left loves to have idiots ON minimum wage. They are defacto slave owners, with slaves working their asses off, doing the dirty work with NO advancement potential, living on barely enough to survive. That’s the definition of a plantation, and the left are the plantation owners.

that, and they support child sniffing pedos.

a sick fucking bunch.
 

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But the left loves to have idiots ON minimum wage. They are defacto slave owners, with slaves working their asses off, doing the dirty work with NO advancement potential, living on barely enough to survive. That’s the definition of a plantation, and the left are the plantation owners.

that, and they support child sniffing pedos.

a sick fucking bunch.
Unfortunately some things never change like the vote to abolish slavery in 1865. Absolutely mind blowing.
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Look Dan. I’m pissed that Biden is gonna be president. But he didn’t win because of some mass conspiracy to steal an election. He won because Trump alienated 80 million people.

I seriously want to know who you’re going to fight? What protest are you going to be part of? Or are you saying you’re going to pull
Off a McVey type of attack? Armed militia? Or do you just post that garbage to look cool?

Until the Republican party takes responsibility for the loss, nothing will change for next time.


I don't like wasting my time trying to explain things to people who (A) already know all the answers, (B) are biased against anything different than what they believe, and (C) have a closed mind and won't read or listen to alternatives. But for you, I'll try again...

Who am I going to fight?

* Those who are working to steal this election. Someone/some people are behind this steal - they organized it - they made the steal happen in the middle of the night and someday I hope we find out who they are.
* Those who are in the swamp especially those who took illegal actions and undermined this country. The DOJ/FBI/CIA clearly have been MIA for the past 5 years. Bill Barr, Attorney General, Chris Wray (FBI), Gina Haspel (CIA). Joe Biden and his son Hunter (there's significant proof they sold out this country to the Chinese Communists, the Russians, the Ukrainians, and a number of other countries. Joe Biden is probably the most corrupt man ever to about to become President in the history of this country. There are many, many others who are undermining this country.
* The politicians who are now selling out this country by not doing their jobs - by not living up to their oath to the Constitution. They are standing by enabling this election to be stolen. People like Gov Kemp in GA, Raffensperger the Secty of State in GA, and the Lt Gov there - they not only are in bed with Stacey Abrams helping the Democrats but they're paving the way to steal the 2 Senate seats in the GA runoff election on 1/5/2020. These people and others are committing treasonous acts against this country.

And the corrupt. The Bidens. And many Democrats and certainly some Republicans. People like Newsom and Kemp (GA gov) both likely have stolen tens of millions of dollars from taxpayers in their states by using taxpayer $$$ giving it to the Chinese for "masks" (that weren't delivered) and getting kickbacks. If we had any kind of justice department these people would be in prison now. Just like Hillary, Clapper and others.

How am I going to fight? It's involved but:
* I'm not going to stand by and watch this - I/we owe everything to the millions of great Americans who came before us - I'm determined to try and pay my dues
* I am giving $$$ to causes and people I believe in
* I am supporting those good people
* I am writing emails and calling to have my voice heard
* I am looking forward to "protesting" - taking to the streets to have my voice heard and join other like-minded American patriots
* I am working to educate others about what is going on - how we're being led like sheep to slaughter in regard to Marxism (Democrats) in America, the attempted steal of this election, the selling out of America to the Chinese and scumbags like George Soros
* I am not giving up - I'm prepared to sacrifice and continuing to work to do the right thing, tell the truth, share it with others

And I am not a violent person. I will not strike first but I stand up to the mob - I will defend myself, my family and my country and I will do it with everything I have. I am prepared for what is to come and I will fight to preserve our freedoms and keep America great.

How about you? What are you doing? What will you do besides blame Trump for having this election stolen from him?

If you think that Joe Biden got more votes than Trump you're out of your mind. If you think Joe Biden got more votes than Obama you're out of your mind. If you believe those things - any of you - you have lost your grip on reality and I can't help you.
 

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How does that fix the problem that the minimum wage earners are having, inflation means they still won't be able to afford anything. That's the point I was trying to make.
I'm agreeing with you, raising min wage does nothing other than make a nice campaign slogan; the economy will settle into a new equilibrium and the poor will still be poor and the politicians will still be buying votes from the uneducated by promising the most benefits...

The way to fix the prob for the min wage earners is to provide them with equal opportunities instead of promising them equal outcomes. We've already tried providing people with equal outcomes: it's called communism and it hasn't worked yet...
 

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I don't like wasting my time trying to explain things to people who (A) already know all the answers, (B) are biased against anything different than what they believe, and (C) have a closed mind and won't read or listen to alternatives. But for you, I'll try again...

Who am I going to fight?

* Those who are working to steal this election. Someone/some people are behind this steal - they organized it - they made the steal happen in the middle of the night and someday I hope we find out who they are.
* Those who are in the swamp especially those who took illegal actions and undermined this country. The DOJ/FBI/CIA clearly have been MIA for the past 5 years. Bill Barr, Attorney General, Chris Wray (FBI), Gina Haspel (CIA). Joe Biden and his son Hunter (there's significant proof they sold out this country to the Chinese Communists, the Russians, the Ukrainians, and a number of other countries. Joe Biden is probably the most corrupt man ever to about to become President in the history of this country. There are many, many others who are undermining this country.
* The politicians who are now selling out this country by not doing their jobs - by not living up to their oath to the Constitution. They are standing by enabling this election to be stolen. People like Gov Kemp in GA, Raffensperger the Secty of State in GA, and the Lt Gov there - they not only are in bed with Stacey Abrams helping the Democrats but they're paving the way to steal the 2 Senate seats in the GA runoff election on 1/5/2020. These people and others are committing treasonous acts against this country.

And the corrupt. The Bidens. And many Democrats and certainly some Republicans. People like Newsom and Kemp (GA gov) both likely have stolen tens of millions of dollars from taxpayers in their states by using taxpayer $$$ giving it to the Chinese for "masks" (that weren't delivered) and getting kickbacks. If we had any kind of justice department these people would be in prison now. Just like Hillary, Clapper and others.

How am I going to fight? It's involved but:
* I'm not going to stand by and watch this - I/we owe everything to the millions of great Americans who came before us - I'm determined to try and pay my dues
* I am giving $$$ to causes and people I believe in
* I am supporting those good people
* I am writing emails and calling to have my voice heard
* I am looking forward to "protesting" - taking to the streets to have my voice heard and join other like-minded American patriots
* I am working to educate others about what is going on - how we're being led like sheep to slaughter in regard to Marxism (Democrats) in America, the attempted steal of this election, the selling out of America to the Chinese and scumbags like George Soros
* I am not giving up - I'm prepared to sacrifice and continuing to work to do the right thing, tell the truth, share it with others

And I am not a violent person. I will not strike first but I stand up to the mob - I will defend myself, my family and my country and I will do it with everything I have. I am prepared for what is to come and I will fight to preserve our freedoms and keep America great.

How about you? What are you doing? What will you do besides blame Trump for having this election stolen from him?

If you think that Joe Biden got more votes than Trump you're out of your mind. If you think Joe Biden got more votes than Obama you're out of your mind. If you believe those things - any of you - you have lost your grip on reality and I can't help you.

I can respect this answer Dan.

As for thinking about the vote count, I’m just going by the facts I’ve been shown. Maybe the smoking gun will appear and show me otherwise. Until then, the only known number is 80 million.


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Interesting read for this thread as it's actually happening in Flagstaff, AZ.


There's a saying somewhere...

Skilled labor isn't cheap and cheap labor is not skilled.

For the sake of conversation

Does a chef who spent time learning how to actually make a great meal feel that a burger flipper at McDonald's deserves $20 an hour working at McDonald's? I don't think so.

Now if that same employee were to go work for that chef and actually try to learn how to make great meals. I could see the chef paying said employee $20 an hour starting out as he would be learning the trade.

This is kind of where the difference lies in cheap labor and skilled labor in my eyes.

So no I don't agree with higher min. Wages.
 

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Interesting read for this thread as it's actually happening in Flagstaff, AZ.


There's a saying somewhere...

Skilled labor isn't cheap and cheap labor is not skilled.

For the sake of conversation

Does a chef who spent time learning how to actually make a great meal feel that a burger flipper at McDonald's deserves $20 an hour working at McDonald's? I don't think so.

Now if that same employee were to go work for that chef and actually try to learn how to make great meals. I could see the chef paying said employee $20 an hour starting out as he would be learning the trade.

This is kind of where the difference lies in cheap labor and skilled labor in my eyes.

So no I don't agree with higher min. Wages.

Logic has no place down here.. just sayin!!
 

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THIS is how it must be done, they have left us no choice boys!!! 🖕 🖕 🖕 🖕 🖕 🖕
We are certainly getting close @regor. Deliberately provoking and antagonizing the little guy, especially government with more legal power can only be tolerated for so long. When Patriots unify nationwide these Political hacks will be 🎯 and found. Keep poking the Bear and expect the bear not to retaliate. It will be George Floyd all over again. Let that resonate for a minute.
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So what number of legitimate votes do you believe Joe got? Lol.

79?

78.5?

70?

10,000?

Whats not a “ you have serious issues”number in your head? Id like to know how you come up with the number. Canvassing? Polling? Exit polls? Gut feeling???


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Less than Obama in 2008. Ok ok more than Obama in 2008 HOPE AND CHANGE greatest presidential candidate ever. Great black hope. Most popular votes in history. 67 million. Really Joe Biden with absolutely no real following, lost 2 presidential attempts before, was MIA most of the election and NEVER answered any questions got more than 13 million more votes??? Get the fuck out of here... No one is stupid enough to believe that shit. Please. Especially when Trump got 74 million.
 

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I can respect this answer Dan.

As for thinking about the vote count, I’m just going by the facts I’ve been shown. Maybe the smoking gun will appear and show me otherwise. Until then, the only known number is 80 million.


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Are you kidding me???? Even if Trump received 74 million votes as claimed...that would be more than Regan’s 49 state landslide. More than the first black American President. 10 million more Trump votes than 2016. While you swallow the narrative of Trump hate turnout from a media that touted polls claiming up to a 17 percent defeat...just remember that Republicans won ALL 27 of the close House seats!!!! You are telling me the Trump anti vote...voted to flip house seats? We also know that minorities voted Trump in record numbers. Do you realize that Biden’s numbers look like Hillary’s numbers in 2016 except in a few swing states? You will NEVER see 150,000 smoking guns in the 30 days....Unfortunately, you will just have to use your BRAIN!
 

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Name the timeframe in history... When did the USA build its now shrinking middle class? Pick a time period and let’s talk wages/salaries, tax rates, etc
1) middle class have left the dems because the dems sold out the middle class to the Corporations that paid for their elections.
2) dems figured out how to replace middle class voters with a permanent underclass of dependent poor people.
3) when they can’t import the goods...they import the labor.

I agree with you...private unions were a good thing...they advocate for high minimum wage...that ultimately helps the union members. Dems argue min wage because that helps the individual worker.

Simple economics tells you that the guy at the bottom...the most unskilled is completely out of a job!!! Dems love that guy.

You can’t swim upstream of every natural market event....any more than you can float in mid air. Your government is to stupid to defy gravity anyway.

How about a border and equal trade...

The part about the time period you mention is that government wasn’t up your ass for every plastic straw! When Kennedy was shot the WH cleaned his skull off the back deck of that Lincoln and made Nixon drive it around!
 

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The part about the time period you mention is that government wasn’t up your ass for every plastic straw! When Kennedy was shot the WH cleaned his skull off the back deck of that Lincoln and made Nixon drive it around! [/QUOTE said:
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Are you kidding me???? Even if Trump received 74 million votes as claimed...that would be more than Regan’s 49 state landslide. More than the first black American President. 10 million more Trump votes than 2016. While you swallow the narrative of Trump hate turnout from a media that touted polls claiming up to a 17 percent defeat...just remember that Republicans won ALL 27 of the close House seats!!!! You are telling me the Trump anti vote...voted to flip house seats? We also know that minorities voted Trump in record numbers. Do you realize that Biden’s numbers look like Hillary’s numbers in 2016 except in a few swing states? You will NEVER see 150,000 smoking guns in the 30 days....Unfortunately, you will just have to use your BRAIN!

The population has grown by 103 million since Reagan was elected and 30 million since Obama was elected. That’s not a good argument.


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The population has grown by 103 million since Reagan was elected and 30 million since Obama was elected. That’s not a good argument.


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Forget it
 

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As for thinking about the vote count, I’m just going by the facts I’ve been shown
if you "lose" your keys in the garage yet only look in the kitch, bedrooms, etc. for them, how will you ever find them?
 

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People and their damned wealth redistribution. So you take every fucking penny bill gates has and split it up and give it to everybody evenly. Bill gates goes broke and everybody gets what 50 cent to a dollar?

You can't share wealth, you can only share poverty. The above even proves it.

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The population has grown by 103 million since Reagan was elected and 30 million since Obama was elected. That’s not a good argument.


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1). I know you are living in CA.
2) you want to get along
3). You are a CUCK!

Plain and simple.
 

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1). I know you are living in CA.
2) you want to get along
3). You are a CUCK!

Plain and simple.

Julliani found the smoking gun!
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Julliani found the smoking gun! View attachment 948538


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I’m done with you. You are unable to hold a reasonable thought. You just motor along with other MEN that will make decisions on your behalf. Willfully blind and cucked up. Let men speak...you go cook dinner.
 
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