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31 years on the department, he's good. LOLWhile I agree with him..,that was a bad career choice
Not everybody is an IGM type of person. Some pride themselves in leaving something better than they found it! Besides, it’s not about just him or his employer, It’s about our rights!31 years on the department, he's good. LOL
I know that, I was just referring to the fact he can walk (retire) anytime with 31 years on. I support him and his message 100%Not everybody is an IGM type of person. Some pride themselves in leaving something better than they found it! Besides, it’s not about just him or his employer, It’s about our rights!
I knew that was what you meant, just wanted to make the point it most likely was not for personnel gain. But then again, it may take him out of the drop program if that was in his plans? I still believe he is sincere in his message.I know that, I was just referring to the fact he can walk (retire) anytime with 31 years on. I support him and his message 100%
Stability is a matter of perception...we once had a stable economy, and a stable presence in a certain country, but some said we had an unstable President. The same people now say we have stability due to our leadership...He needs to leave. Sounds unstable.
31 years, I'd call that a good run on any job.
So what about the guy that only has 10 years on the job, wife, young kids, new home etc. obviously not in a good position to say I've had enough and walk away. I feel the guy's frustration but when someone walks away it's not long till after that position is filled. Unless your in a field where no one in this world has your expertise or skill sets were all expendable...
Everyone has their motivation to work, be it toys, fun or family. Makes it hard to unify a group with different motivations. I agree though, it would change the dynamic considerably. My brother in laws department was trying to mandate two weeks ago...about 3 holdouts that didn't want to. When asked what he would do, he said he'll get it, and sue later if there were problems. When I told him he has no wife and no kids, his dog can't claim next of kin, he didn't have a response...The point is if everyone not willing to take the jab stands their ground most companies would lose about 40% of their workforce. No company/fire department/city/county can afford that and continue to operate. The problem, as I see it, is getting the unwilling to not blink first.
The only problem is they will probably make the vax mandatory to collect unemployment.
Sorry to say the military doesn’t have that choice.I don't support mandates, but you take a government job you deal with government bullshit.
Guy has a choice, he can take the Vax or test twice a week....so take the test twice a week.
BFD.
Sorry to say the military doesn’t have that choice.
The problem with what you are saying is he nor I got hired during this shit and it was not a condition for our employment, they want to mandate the vax/testing then that can be a condition for future employees.I don't support mandates, but you take a government job you deal with government bullshit.
Guy has a choice, he can take the Vax or test twice a week....so take the test twice a week.
BFD.
The problem with what you are saying is he nor I got hired during this shit and it was not a condition for our employment, they want to mandate the vax/testing then that can be a condition for future employees.
He pays for it, we pay for it. It's tax payers money, who's getting rich from this mandate. Follow the money, gates and soros own the company the supplies the tests.Government has a history of changing per regime and on a whim and I agree that it sucks, but expecting hiring conditions to hold for decades doesnt even seem likely.
Guy acts like he has zero options, but whats so hard about a twice a week test that someone else pays for?
He pays for it, we pay for it. It's tax payers money, who's getting rich from this mandate. Follow the money, gates and soros own the company the supplies the tests.
We have several jobsites that require the mandate. Mostly jobs at medical centers. Some GCs are requiring it on all their projects. 17 of our 37 fitters have the shot. Hasn't been a problem yet.I don't support mandates, but you take a government job you deal with government bullshit.
Guy has a choice, he can take the Vax or test twice a week....so take the test twice a week.
BFD.
Evan is one of the ones on my list of the youths that I respect the most. (probably top 3)maybe number one. I definitely get his position and decision given the circumstances and next time I see your boy, I'll give him a high five. You and Melissa did a great job raising him.At some point we all will be faced with a decision of how far they can push. My son has dropped out of his trade school because the mandatory mask/vax. He’s got Tourette’s syndrome, and has a very hard time just being , let alone wearing a mask all day. Fortunately he can work with me, and learn my world. He’s made a stand. He understands what that means. It’s sad to me that my kids are put in this situation, but it is what it is. As the man said, this is not a vax thing, red vs blue thing. This is a government vs us thing. I for one am with this man whole heart. Bring it.
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I don’t think it’s quite that simple. I know of one department that is requiring those not vaccinated to be tested twice a week, on their own time, at their own expense. I believe that is a change in working conditions and is a meet and confer situation. Also, many FFTR’s are not off duty two days a week during fire season. How can they accomplish what is being mandated of them?I don't support mandates, but you take a government job you deal with government bullshit.
Guy has a choice, he can take the Vax or test twice a week....so take the test twice a week.
BFD.
Taxes is out of my pocketAre you saying he has to pay out of his pocket for it?
Or that he/ we all pay for it via taxes? If thats the case we pay for lots of shit Id rather not.
In the case of out of pocket - Insurance covers them (even with our own insurance) and I know he has that.
The point is if everyone not willing to take the jab stands their ground most companies would lose about 40% of their workforce. No company/fire department/city/county can afford that and continue to operate. The problem, as I see it, is getting the unwilling to not blink first.
A customer of mine has 18 years with the state as a hospital inspector. They are going to require him to get the jab to remain employed. 2 years from retirement. If you get a fake vax card, the state will terminate you and take away what pension you have. They are not leaving some of these people much choice. He was mentioning walking away and going back to construction. It is not going to be pretty. The only problem is they will probably make the vax mandatory to collect unemployment. That might not be a bad thing if the sterilization part is true. The welfare whores might be shit out of luck.
Government has a history of changing per regime and on a whim and I agree that it sucks, but expecting hiring conditions to hold for decades doesnt even seem likely.
Guy acts like he has zero options, but whats so hard about a twice a week test that someone else pays for?
Taxes is out of my pocket
Because they cannot prove that the tests can ACTUALLY detect CV19....they CAN detect any CV.
No one can determine the difference without specialized equipment in a high end lab.
It's the absolute bullshit lies that keep stacking up, and everyone watches get scrubbed off media, but no censure eh?
You probably don't remember the air traffic controller strike back in the early 80's, that didn't end well for those guys.
Everyone has their motivation to work, be it toys, fun or family. Makes it hard to unify a group with different motivations. I agree though, it would change the dynamic considerably. My brother in laws department was trying to mandate two weeks ago...about 3 holdouts that didn't want to. When asked what he would do, he said he'll get it, and sue later if there were problems. When I told him he has no wife and no kids, his dog can't claim next of kin, he didn't have a response...
Now, let me put my tinfoil hat on: If the vaccine causes mass issues in 6-12 months, and every municipality and military has been forced to take it...should I be learning Russian, or Chinese? I like Chinese food better, but tend to get along better with Russians (they tend to be assailed as well as drunks)
I don't care so much about the delivery, some people (myself included) are not eloquent speakers. But he gets the point across and that's what matters to me.
You are an authoritarian. A useful idiot of fascism. Ironically, you have nothing to gain. Take a look in the mirror, you are the cultist of the operation warp speed.We have several jobsites that require the mandate. Mostly jobs at medical centers. Some GCs are requiring it on all their projects. 17 of our 37 fitters have the shot. Hasn't been a problem yet.
Ha Ha. Have we ever meet..lolYou are an authoritarian. A useful idiot of fascism. Ironically, you have nothing to gain. Take a look in the mirror, you are the cultist of the operation warp speed.
No. We can drink a beer...and hear each other out...but at the end if the day I will have the courage to tell you to your face that you have lost your liberal way. You neither care for liberty nor are willing to buck the system. It’s called burn out.Ha Ha. Have we ever meet..lol
Ok DWEB..Save it for the P & G. This thread was going fairly well.No. We can drink a beer...and hear each other out...but at the end if the day I will have the courage to tell you to your face that you have lost your liberal way. You neither care for liberty nor are willing to buck the system. It’s called burn out.
Most. Some of us assholes must like punishment. I cut my own pay in half over this bioweapon. Home schooled my youngest last year...and I’m ready to pull all 3 if it gets gnarly. I’m not virtuous...just a dude that will not relent. I AM AN AMERICAN...we should all be.Most of us get weak and give in .
I’m with this guys message.
It will get to a point where protests and lawsuits will not work and will need more leverage . We need to wake the hell up fast
Evan is one of the ones on my list of the youths that I respect the most. (probably top 3)maybe number one. I definitely get his position and decision given the circumstances and next time I see your boy, I'll give him a high five. You and Melissa did a great job raising him.
Until you brought your political SCieNce. 17 people you know are just fine.Ok DWEB..Save it for the P & G. This thread was going fairly well.