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must of been a "Stealth Plane".... it hides its origin when crashing into the Pentagon...
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Inside Job?
Griffin’s book together with various similar books and videos give strong supporting evidence for the claim that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job. As Griffin points out, however, the evidence is not a chain of events linked together so that the disproof or invalidity of one link would destroy the whole theory. Indeed the pieces of evidence are largely independent, each suggestive of an official complicity.
I agree with Griffin that the cumulative evidence is overwhelmingly supportive of the scam theory. But the corporate media and the loyal opposition party won’t dare touch the case and so far only a handful of “conspiracy nuts” have questioned the official myths.
The debunkers of the scam theory simply can’t explain the anomalies. Obviously there are many mysteries remaining, like what happened to the planes and passengers. One would hope that further independent research would be able to answer the many remaining unresolved questions
Griffin’s book together with various similar books and videos give strong supporting evidence for the claim that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job. As Griffin points out, however, the evidence is not a chain of events linked together so that the disproof or invalidity of one link would destroy the whole theory. Indeed the pieces of evidence are largely independent, each suggestive of an official complicity.
I agree with Griffin that the cumulative evidence is overwhelmingly supportive of the scam theory. But the corporate media and the loyal opposition party won’t dare touch the case and so far only a handful of “conspiracy nuts” have questioned the official myths.
The debunkers of the scam theory simply can’t explain the anomalies. Obviously there are many mysteries remaining, like what happened to the planes and passengers. One would hope that further independent research would be able to answer the many remaining unresolved questions
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The Left vs. Conspiracy Theory
In view of the solid evidence in support of the scam theory, I think it behooves the respectable Left to take Griffin and other researchers more seriously. However, the attitude of the Left towards conspiracy theory is a stumbling block, forgetful that history is full of examples of “conspiracies” turning into accepted truth.
Heretofore the attitude of the orthodox left towards the “conspiracy” purveyors is to ignore them, for two interrelated reasons. First, conspiracy theorists are generally not involved in grounded political and economic projects. Second, speculating on “what really did happen” distracts from the serious political analysis, education and organizing needed for building a new society.
In addition, conspiracy scenarios attract some genuine nuts whose outrageous speculations tend to discredit any serious inquiry.
In my discussions with various people on the left I have encountered a variety of responses, which would serve to make a good psychological study.
I have encountered many archetypes: the eager believer, delighted to reconfirm the perfidy of the authorities; the obsessive debunker; the hardcore intellectual who reaches for his (intellectual) gun at the mention of the word “conspiracy,” etc.
In particular, the faint-hearted liberals generally recoil in horror that the government could be so diabolical and corrupt; it undermines their whole world view to the point they turn off their reasoning faculties.
Some progressives, despite being aware of the manifold atrocities/scams of recent history, simply can’t believe that the U.S. government would deliberately kill some 3000 innocent Americans and destroy billions dollars worth of property.
In response to such skepticism, an Afro-American comrade exclaimed “Gimme a break, Black folks would have no trouble believing such a scam.”
There is another interesting psychological aspect. I have discerned a division in attitudes among the Left on this question, which roughly corresponds to the “anarchist/ socialist” dichotomy. The former, with their aversion to “authority” tend to gravitate towards the scam theory, whereas the “socialists” with their attachment to analysis and organizing face a troublesome dilemma.
Since socialists believe that all big events are grounded in solid material causes, they can’t accept easily a theory based upon incompetence and coincidence. But on the other hand; any theory that doesn’t conform to rational analysis is suspicious. So the usual way out of this indecision is either to reject the theory out of hand, or to ignore the whole thing because it is a waste of valuable time to sift through all the evidence and arguments on the subject
In view of the solid evidence in support of the scam theory, I think it behooves the respectable Left to take Griffin and other researchers more seriously. However, the attitude of the Left towards conspiracy theory is a stumbling block, forgetful that history is full of examples of “conspiracies” turning into accepted truth.
Heretofore the attitude of the orthodox left towards the “conspiracy” purveyors is to ignore them, for two interrelated reasons. First, conspiracy theorists are generally not involved in grounded political and economic projects. Second, speculating on “what really did happen” distracts from the serious political analysis, education and organizing needed for building a new society.
In addition, conspiracy scenarios attract some genuine nuts whose outrageous speculations tend to discredit any serious inquiry.
In my discussions with various people on the left I have encountered a variety of responses, which would serve to make a good psychological study.
I have encountered many archetypes: the eager believer, delighted to reconfirm the perfidy of the authorities; the obsessive debunker; the hardcore intellectual who reaches for his (intellectual) gun at the mention of the word “conspiracy,” etc.
In particular, the faint-hearted liberals generally recoil in horror that the government could be so diabolical and corrupt; it undermines their whole world view to the point they turn off their reasoning faculties.
Some progressives, despite being aware of the manifold atrocities/scams of recent history, simply can’t believe that the U.S. government would deliberately kill some 3000 innocent Americans and destroy billions dollars worth of property.
In response to such skepticism, an Afro-American comrade exclaimed “Gimme a break, Black folks would have no trouble believing such a scam.”
There is another interesting psychological aspect. I have discerned a division in attitudes among the Left on this question, which roughly corresponds to the “anarchist/ socialist” dichotomy. The former, with their aversion to “authority” tend to gravitate towards the scam theory, whereas the “socialists” with their attachment to analysis and organizing face a troublesome dilemma.
Since socialists believe that all big events are grounded in solid material causes, they can’t accept easily a theory based upon incompetence and coincidence. But on the other hand; any theory that doesn’t conform to rational analysis is suspicious. So the usual way out of this indecision is either to reject the theory out of hand, or to ignore the whole thing because it is a waste of valuable time to sift through all the evidence and arguments on the subject
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The Left Press Response
So far, to my knowledge the orthodox left press has only uniformly either ignored or ridiculed the scam theorists and done it in the most superficial and sectarian way.
For instance, The Nation of September 27, 2004 had a review by Robert Baer, an ex-CIA case officer, which essentially ridiculed Griffin. He endorsed the official conspiracy theory of incompetence and coincidence, embellishing it with tales of incompetence from his experience in governmental service.
Baer did mention Griffin’s theses and called them “monstrous,” while offering no discussion on them at all, and then vilified Griffin by inference by labeling a French researcher, Meyssan, a “crackpot” again without any supporting evidence.
Another critic of Griffin on the left is Chip Berlet, a veritable “professional” debunker who, however, never debunks official conspiracies. In a Z Magazine (September 2004) interview on conspiracy theory in general, Berlet dismisses the scam version of the Pentagon attack by merely asserting that there were many witnesses who saw an airliner approach the Pentagon.
However, the validity of the scam claim can’t possibly rest upon a poll of witnesses but rather upon the concrete physical evidence of the available photos of the Pentagon damage. Elsewhere Berlet does criticize Griffin extensively but with incessant petty nitpicking and avoidance of the photographic evidence. There is an interesting and revealing exchange between Berlet and Griffin on Berlet’s website.(5)
Here in Santa Barbara, as throughout the country, more and more progressive as well as mainstream people are being exposed to the various books and videos offering some version of the revisionist story, with the predictable variety of responses.
Even the liberal mayor and a local Democratic candidate for the House have taken a favorable view of the scam theory. Obviously the inside-job scam theory, if it could ever gain more validity and acceptance, would be a potent radicalization tool.
I think therefore it is high time the Left transcend our incredulity and suspicions, and honestly confront the challenges of the scam theory. The evidence, especially the photographic material is glaring in our faces, demanding answers. Sticking our heads in the sand no longer suffices.
Notes
The title, New Pearl Harbor, suggests the analogy of a horrific attack to spur the population to war. Curiously Griffin doesn’t mention another obvious analogy with Pearl Harbor namely, the widespread belief that the U.S. government cracked the Japanese code and knew all the parameters of the attack and did nothing about it, knowing it would galvanize the public for supporting war.
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There are a great many web sites devoted to 9/11, even ones run by libertarians and other right-wing mavericks. For more background reading on 9/11 events with lots of revealing photos I suggest the following. However, some of these sources must be taken with the proverbial dose of salt because they are full of wild speculations: www.thepowerhour.com; www.globalresearch.ca; www.letsroll911.org; www.911research.wtc7.net; www.serendipity.li/. Another useful source is Painful Deceptions, both a book and a DVD/VHS by Eric Hufschmid. See www.erichufscmid.net.
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The 911 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions, by David Ray Griffin. Olive Branch Press (Interlink Publishing Group), 2005, 352 pp.,$18 paper.
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Another noteworthy coincidence is the sudden large “put options” on both American and United Airlines’ stock just before 9/11. This means betting that the stock prices will fall abruptly. It strongly indicates foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks. Still another suspicious coincidence is the existence of multiple war games going on the morning of 9/11, which confused the air defense system. A full discussion of this is found in www.oilempire.us/wargames.html. See also Griffin, The 911 Commission Report, op.cit.
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www.publiceye.org.
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So far, to my knowledge the orthodox left press has only uniformly either ignored or ridiculed the scam theorists and done it in the most superficial and sectarian way.
For instance, The Nation of September 27, 2004 had a review by Robert Baer, an ex-CIA case officer, which essentially ridiculed Griffin. He endorsed the official conspiracy theory of incompetence and coincidence, embellishing it with tales of incompetence from his experience in governmental service.
Baer did mention Griffin’s theses and called them “monstrous,” while offering no discussion on them at all, and then vilified Griffin by inference by labeling a French researcher, Meyssan, a “crackpot” again without any supporting evidence.
Another critic of Griffin on the left is Chip Berlet, a veritable “professional” debunker who, however, never debunks official conspiracies. In a Z Magazine (September 2004) interview on conspiracy theory in general, Berlet dismisses the scam version of the Pentagon attack by merely asserting that there were many witnesses who saw an airliner approach the Pentagon.
However, the validity of the scam claim can’t possibly rest upon a poll of witnesses but rather upon the concrete physical evidence of the available photos of the Pentagon damage. Elsewhere Berlet does criticize Griffin extensively but with incessant petty nitpicking and avoidance of the photographic evidence. There is an interesting and revealing exchange between Berlet and Griffin on Berlet’s website.(5)
Here in Santa Barbara, as throughout the country, more and more progressive as well as mainstream people are being exposed to the various books and videos offering some version of the revisionist story, with the predictable variety of responses.
Even the liberal mayor and a local Democratic candidate for the House have taken a favorable view of the scam theory. Obviously the inside-job scam theory, if it could ever gain more validity and acceptance, would be a potent radicalization tool.
I think therefore it is high time the Left transcend our incredulity and suspicions, and honestly confront the challenges of the scam theory. The evidence, especially the photographic material is glaring in our faces, demanding answers. Sticking our heads in the sand no longer suffices.
Notes
The title, New Pearl Harbor, suggests the analogy of a horrific attack to spur the population to war. Curiously Griffin doesn’t mention another obvious analogy with Pearl Harbor namely, the widespread belief that the U.S. government cracked the Japanese code and knew all the parameters of the attack and did nothing about it, knowing it would galvanize the public for supporting war.
back to text
There are a great many web sites devoted to 9/11, even ones run by libertarians and other right-wing mavericks. For more background reading on 9/11 events with lots of revealing photos I suggest the following. However, some of these sources must be taken with the proverbial dose of salt because they are full of wild speculations: www.thepowerhour.com; www.globalresearch.ca; www.letsroll911.org; www.911research.wtc7.net; www.serendipity.li/. Another useful source is Painful Deceptions, both a book and a DVD/VHS by Eric Hufschmid. See www.erichufscmid.net.
back to text.
The 911 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions, by David Ray Griffin. Olive Branch Press (Interlink Publishing Group), 2005, 352 pp.,$18 paper.
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Another noteworthy coincidence is the sudden large “put options” on both American and United Airlines’ stock just before 9/11. This means betting that the stock prices will fall abruptly. It strongly indicates foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks. Still another suspicious coincidence is the existence of multiple war games going on the morning of 9/11, which confused the air defense system. A full discussion of this is found in www.oilempire.us/wargames.html. See also Griffin, The 911 Commission Report, op.cit.
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www.publiceye.org.
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ATC 114, January-February 2005
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Does no one remember a flick by a well known leftist, "Fahrenheit 9/11"?
Of course, being Michael Moore, Bush was the killer...The left picks and chooses what and why.
The guy who gave me a copy of that video to watch years back was a "community organizer". Still is I believe. Card carrying communist, and a head business agent for a union. Quite the political loudmouth in Maxine Waters' district...unfortunately in support of the left.
Of course, being Michael Moore, Bush was the killer...The left picks and chooses what and why.
The guy who gave me a copy of that video to watch years back was a "community organizer". Still is I believe. Card carrying communist, and a head business agent for a union. Quite the political loudmouth in Maxine Waters' district...unfortunately in support of the left.
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Yes, because a passport is impervious to 5000* jet fuel burning a building to slag....perfectly you will note....
Jet fuel burns at 1500 F
Steel melts at 2750 F
Nano thermite, a highly incendiary compound was found throughout the debris field, burns at over 4000 F
Jet fuel did not melt the steel pouring from the building
The buildings were brought down by controlled demolition
Passport survived
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Well, there's the proof. Saudi passports are printed on unobtanium...
Jet fuel burns at 1500 F
Steel melts at 2750 F
Nano thermite, a highly incendiary compound was found throughout the debris field, burns at over 4000 F
Jet fuel did not melt the steel pouring from the building
The buildings were brought down by controlled demolition
Passport survived
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This is what I struggle with. You have an explosion so powerful and a fire so hot it took down buildings. Yet by some miracle the pilot rolled his window down and threw his passport out the window (I’m joking [emoji16])?
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That's been my whole issue, the amount of strange happenings...such as the Pentagon being hit by the fastest moving passenger jet ever, and also just happened to be the wing being remodeled. Odd, but sure. The passport deal...in the midst of 220+ acres of debris, compressed into a pile, mostly loaded with equipment, they find a passport? Not likely, but ok. The idea that all air travel was grounded...after some of BinLaden's family was able to charter a flight...the silence in the skies was pretty cool actually...pretty weird.
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Share this far and wide! This clip was aired once after 911 and never again. Listen! #share #truth #DarkToLight
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Won't play.
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Share this far and wide! This clip was aired once after 911 and never again. Listen! #share #truth #DarkToLight
it's TIME
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Top photo is that of a Cessna 172 cockpit. This is the primary training aircraft for the 9/11 hijackers.
The bottom photo is that of a B-767 cockpit. A few subtle differences the hijackers only had seat time by way of flight simulator. One of the Arizona hijackers pulled off his mission flawlessly by crashing into the Pentagon, although the plane was never found.
www.abc15.com
The bottom photo is that of a B-767 cockpit. A few subtle differences the hijackers only had seat time by way of flight simulator. One of the Arizona hijackers pulled off his mission flawlessly by crashing into the Pentagon, although the plane was never found.
Arizona's connection to the 9/11 attacks
Hani Hanjour, a 9/11 hijacker that piloted a jet into the Pentagon, was trained to fly right here in Arizona.
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Anyone with an ounce of common sense just by watching the videos that were popular then scrubbed at the time of the incident knows this was a giant setup.
Shocked that the government that has been fucking you in the ass for a century did this?
Wake the fuck up.
Shocked that the government that has been fucking you in the ass for a century did this?
Wake the fuck up.
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Wait, wait wait! Anyone that did anything because they saw what the government was capable of doing and did.. are called nut jobs. Well hopefully, people will wake the fuck up. I doubt it, life will just go on as usual.
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telegram video.. sorry
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Controlled demolition of both towers
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Controlled demolition of both towers
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth | WTC Twin Towers and Building 7
AE911Truth is a nonprofit organization that represents more than 3,000 architects and engineers who are calling for a new investigation into the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7 on 9/11.
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Unethical human experimentation in the United States - Wikipedia
To think it is all available to research in books and online. Don’t Care….well until it is me.
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1967 Film.....
playing out in front of our eyes...
WTFU
playing out in front of our eyes...
WTFU
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Definitely level three information. Focus on the orchestrators not the actors
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It is a bit overwhelming. Take all post with a grain of salt and research the post yourself to come to your own conclusions. While the internet has been scrubbed (YouTube) over the past two years of shit that would blow your mind. History for the most part remains searchable and written in books at your local library.
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My friends used to laugh at me because I had those relics, books. Books can't be changed, once printed, their words remain unchanged.
The internet has proven to be quite fluid. It's "history" lessons change.
As for things being overwhelming...ever seen "The Matrix"? When Neo finds out the world isn't what he knew, but the nightmare he saw, he was sick to his stomach.
A lot of people are fighting that same feeling. Our civilization is really nothing more than a construct of other people's imaginations. Opening your eyes is painful to some, so they choose not to look.
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@monkeyswrench Friends with reservations. Man you are lucky. How about a spouse. Two years ago the light turned on with my wife who lives a mildly sheltered life until the shit started hitting a little closer to home within her family.
My BIL and I showed her a video that has since been scrubbed on YouTube that rocked her to the core. I recall that Saturday night coincidently in your neck of the woods, and she has been alert ever since. The “great awaking” as I term it strengthened our relationship, preparations and faith in God almighty.
Most people won’t get the message on this billboard. Those that do will.
My BIL and I showed her a video that has since been scrubbed on YouTube that rocked her to the core. I recall that Saturday night coincidently in your neck of the woods, and she has been alert ever since. The “great awaking” as I term it strengthened our relationship, preparations and faith in God almighty.
Most people won’t get the message on this billboard. Those that do will.
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@just_floatin , my wife was a little skeptical of my thinking early on, say 10-12 years ago. Obama's second term, living in Cali, and seeing fuel costs and market fluctuations...she started to see patterns. Finances, mixed with what was happening with crime, dictated a move.
Out here, a different "group think" existed. You help out those you didn't know, and would have no problem sweating, or bleeding, for those you call friends.
Wife's eyes started to open a bit more...societal problems aren't really what the problem is. People blindly following orders from the tv...big problem. With this covid thing, wife has seen things from people that seem more agenda driven than for safety.
When we moved here, I did "pepper recon" everything from active military bases and fault lines, to prevailing winds and distances from nuke sites...and also population...both socioeconomic as well as something my friends found really bizarre...percentage of population that was either retired LE, or military veteran.
My home is nothing special, but where it's located is.
I couldn't depend on my neighbors in Cali to help me move a refrigerator. My neighbors here would help me move a mountain, and I'd never need to ask.
I saw something over the horizon a few years back. My wife saw it as it crested, January of last year. Her brother is in LE in Cali still...he just started to really see it this year.
Hopefully more eyes are open...more to the point, I hope enough are open when it really flashes off.
It's not good, but it's a reality we need to deal with. My house is in order...as a family we still have some fun. I think the time coming will be dark...so this time will be precious.
The calm before the storm.
Out here, a different "group think" existed. You help out those you didn't know, and would have no problem sweating, or bleeding, for those you call friends.
Wife's eyes started to open a bit more...societal problems aren't really what the problem is. People blindly following orders from the tv...big problem. With this covid thing, wife has seen things from people that seem more agenda driven than for safety.
When we moved here, I did "pepper recon" everything from active military bases and fault lines, to prevailing winds and distances from nuke sites...and also population...both socioeconomic as well as something my friends found really bizarre...percentage of population that was either retired LE, or military veteran.
My home is nothing special, but where it's located is.
I couldn't depend on my neighbors in Cali to help me move a refrigerator. My neighbors here would help me move a mountain, and I'd never need to ask.
I saw something over the horizon a few years back. My wife saw it as it crested, January of last year. Her brother is in LE in Cali still...he just started to really see it this year.
Hopefully more eyes are open...more to the point, I hope enough are open when it really flashes off.
It's not good, but it's a reality we need to deal with. My house is in order...as a family we still have some fun. I think the time coming will be dark...so this time will be precious.
The calm before the storm.
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DEVELOPING: Joe Biden WILL NOT SPEAK at ANY 9-11 Memorials on Saturday — His Handlers Are Terrified of the Likely Response
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Actually....he had to turn it down as it conflicted with his privildge and honors as being Grand Marshal at the upcoming Taliban celebrations.
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"First in war, First in peace, First in the hearts of his countrymen."DEVELOPING: Joe Biden WILL NOT SPEAK at ANY 9-11 Memorials on Saturday — His Handlers Are Terrified of the Likely Response
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That was from Washington's eulogy. He was 6ft tall and about 220, a really big man of the time. He was a farmer and a soldier. Pretty sure he wouldn't have handled things the same way.
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20 YEAR ANNIVERSARY and the current President is not welcome at ground zero. His handlers know he would be booed off stage or worse. This is not all happening by mistake, his handlers are doing everything they can to undermine this great nation and turn us into a third world country. The world has been balancing on a knife edge for some time now, the coming economic turbulence could be the catalyst to get things started. I hope the men and women in the military are prepared for what is coming, they are going to have to make some tough decisions.
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Economics WILL start it, specifically inner city economics.
They're pushing to get us to start it in order to control the narrative and have the inner cities on their side, but if it's pure economics, they know they're up a creek.
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"TERRORIST ATTACK TO BE BLAMED ON OSAMA BIN LADEN, DON'T YOU BELIEVE IT" 6/28/2001
Unholy Grail: Adrenochrome, the “White Rabbit” Elixir Pursued by Blackhearted Elites: https://www.independentsentinel.com/unholy-grail-adrenochrome-the-white-rabbit-elixir-pursued-by-blackhearted-elites/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/bfO00htZJMLs…
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Hell he rowed across the Delaware in the middle of winter to beat some ass
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A friend of mine that I went to school with was an army sniper. He had osama in his sights 3 different times. Every time he was told not to shoot."TERRORIST ATTACK TO BE BLAMED ON OSAMA BIN LADEN, DON'T YOU BELIEVE IT" 6/28/2001
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