$4.2M for ladies ambushed by LAPD

[U4ia]

A settlement was announced today in the case of the two newspaper delivery women who were shot up by LAPD during the Dorner affair. $2.1 million each and it was probably a good deal for the city given how much they could have gotten at trial. And the 8 officers involved are still on paid vacation while the "investigation" continues. Will anyone be held accountable.....ever?

 

[Bobby V]

Well that beats the new truck that they offered to buy without paying the fees. :rolleyes

 

[RitcheyRch]

I still hope they continue to buy lottery tickets. They are both very lucky to be alive.

 

[sfury]

Were they here legally? my thinking is that they weren't, so it's best to keep quiet and take what they can.:rolleyes

 

[pronstar]

I think that's a fair deal for both the ladies, and the taxpayers.
If they're smart, they'll never have to work another day in their lives.
But in reality, they'll probably be broke within a year.

 

[Joker]

Remember that tax increase that was going to the schools to pay for the thousands of illegals? Forget about it, 2 of them took it.:thumbup:

 

[Old Man Havasu]

Legal or illegal those officers fucked up big time.

Sent from a Samsung Galaxy S3 using Tapa

 

[Faceaz]

Unfortunately, legal or not doesn't matter. Our neighbor had some illegals doing his lawn. My dog got out & snipped at him - left about a quarter size welt, didn't even break the skin or his jeans. The guy was putting up his weed whacker at the time, my only guess is waving it around looked threatning. He took our insurance for 15k.

 

[tkrrox]

Legal or illegal those officers fucked up big time.

Sent from a Samsung Galaxy S3 using Tapa

this is my thought too...although i think they should pay them and then boot them...:thumbsup

 

[zhandfull]

this is my thought too...although i think they should pay them and then boot them...:thumbsup

I would just assume they stay and spend the money here in California.

 

[tkrrox]

Remember that tax increase that was going to the schools to pay for the thousands of illegals? Forget about it, 2 of them took it.:thumbup:

this is what gets me...we pay billions a year for illegals...and i was having a discussion with a worker saying that they do work no one else will do...i said for the amount of money they get handed to them...be it health, schooling, ebt...i think they do pretty damn good...:rolleyes that 10 dollar an hour guy is probably closer to 20-30 by the time the dust settles.

 

[sfury]

US hospitals send hundreds of immigrants back home
By DAVID PITT | Associated Press


DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Days after they were badly hurt in a car accident, Jacinto Cruz and Jose Rodriguez-Saldana lay unconscious in an Iowa hospital while the American health care system weighed what to do with the two immigrants from Mexico.

The men had health insurance from jobs at one of the nation's largest pork producers. But neither had legal permission to live in the U.S., nor was it clear whether their insurance would pay for the long-term rehabilitation they needed.

So Iowa Methodist Medical Center in Des Moines took matters into its own hands: After consulting with the patients' families, it quietly loaded the two comatose men onto a private jet that flew them back to Mexico, effectively deporting them without consulting any court or federal agency.

When the men awoke, they were more than 1,800 miles away in a hospital in Veracruz, on the Mexican Gulf Coast.

Hundreds of immigrants who are in the U.S. illegally have taken similar journeys through a little-known removal system run not by the federal government trying to enforce laws but by hospitals seeking to curb high costs. A recent report compiled by immigrant advocacy groups made a rare attempt to determine how many people are sent home, concluding that at least 600 immigrants were removed over a five-year period, though there were likely many more.

In interviews with immigrants, their families, attorneys and advocates, The Associated Press reviewed the obscure process known formally as "medical repatriation," which allows hospitals to put patients on chartered international flights, often while they are still unconscious. Hospitals typically pay for the flights.

"The problem is it's all taking place in this unregulated sort of a black hole ... and there is no tracking," said law professor Lori Nessel, director of the Center for Social Justice at Seton Hall Law School, which offers free legal representation to immigrants.

Now advocates for immigrants are concerned that hospitals could soon begin expanding the practice after full implementation of federal health care reform, which will make deep cuts to the payments hospitals receive for taking care of the uninsured.

Health care executives say they are caught between a requirement to accept all patients and a political battle over immigration.

"It really is a Catch-22 for us," said Dr. Mark Purtle, vice president of Medical Affairs for Iowa Health System, which includes Iowa Methodist Medical Center. "This is the area that the federal government, the state, everybody says we're not paying for the undocumented."

Hospitals are legally mandated to care for all patients who need emergency treatment, regardless of citizenship status or ability to pay. But once a patient is stabilized, that funding ceases, along with the requirement to provide care. Many immigrant workers without citizenship are ineligible for Medicaid, the government's insurance program for the poor and elderly.

That's why hospitals often try to send those patients to rehabilitation centers and nursing homes back in their home countries.

Civil rights groups say the practice violates U.S. and international laws and unfairly targets one of the nation's most defenseless populations.

"They don't have advocates, and they don't have people who will speak on their behalf," said Miami attorney John De Leon, who has been arguing such cases for a decade.

Estimating the number of cases is difficult since no government agency or organization keeps track.

The Center for Social Justice and New York Lawyers for the Public Interest have documented at least 600 immigrants who were involuntarily removed in the past five years for medical reasons. The figure is based on data from hospitals, humanitarian organizations, news reports and immigrant advocates who cited specific cases. But the actual number is believed to be significantly higher because many more cases almost certainly go unreported.

Some patients who were sent home subsequently died in hospitals that weren't equipped to meet their needs. Others suffered lingering medical problems because they never received adequate rehabilitation, the report said.

Gail Montenegro, a spokeswoman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said the agency "plays no role in a health care provider's private transfer of a patient to his or her country of origin."

Such transfers "are not the result of federal authority or action," she said in an email, nor are they considered "removals, deportations or voluntary departures" as defined by the Immigration and Nationality Act.

The two Mexican workers in Iowa came to the U.S. in search of better jobs and found work at Iowa Select Farms, which provided them with medical insurance even though they had no visas or other immigration documents.

An Iowa Select Farms spokeswoman said Tuesday she could find no record that the men worked for the company under those names. The attorney for the two men said he learned through subpoenas that they had worked for a pork company that he believes was once a subsidiary of Iowa Select.

The two were returning home from a fishing trip in May 2008 when their car was struck by a semitrailer truck. Both were thrown from the vehicle and suffered serious head injuries.

At the time, Cruz had been here for about six months, Rodriguez-Saldana for a little over a year.

Insurance paid more than $100,000 for the two men's emergency treatment. But it was unclear whether the policies would pay for long-term rehabilitation. Two rehabilitation centers refused to take them.

Eleven days after the car crash, the two men were still comatose as they were carried aboard a jet bound for Veracruz, where a hospital had agreed to take them.

Rodriguez-Saldana, now 39, said the Des Moines hospital told his family that he was unlikely to survive and should be sent home.

The hospital "doesn't really want Mexicans," he said in a telephone interview with the AP. "They wanted to disconnect me so I could die. They said I couldn't survive, that I wouldn't live."

Hospital officials said they could not discuss the case because of litigation. The men and their families filed a lawsuit in 2010 claiming they received minimal rehabilitative care in Veracruz.

A judge dismissed the lawsuit last year ruling that Iowa Methodist was not to blame for the inadequate care in Veracruz. The courts also found that even though the families of the men may not have consented to their transport to Mexico, they also failed to object to it. An appeals court upheld the dismissal.

Patients are frequently told family members want them to come home. In cases where the patient is unconscious or can't communicate, relatives are told their loved one wants to return, De Leon said.

Sometimes they're told the situation is dire, and the patient may die, prompting many grief-stricken relatives to agree to a transfer, he said.

Some hospitals "emotionally extort family members in their home country," De Leon said. "They make family members back home feel guilty so they can simply put them on a plane and drop them off at the airport."

In court documents, Iowa hospital officials said they had received permission from Saldana's parents and Cruz's long-term partner for the flight to Mexico. Family members deny they gave consent.

There's no way to know for sure whether the two men would have recovered faster or better in the United States. But the accident left both of them with life-altering disabilities.

Nearly five years later, the 49-year-old Cruz is paralyzed on his left side, the result of damage to his hip and spine. He has difficulty speaking and can't work.

"I can't even walk," he said in a telephone interview, breaking into tears several times. His long-term partner, Belem, said he's more emotional since the accident.

"He feels bad because he went over there and came back like this," she said. "Now he can't work at all. ... He cries a lot."

She works selling food and cleaning houses. Their oldest son, 22, sometimes contributes to the family income.

Rodriguez-Saldana said he has to pay for intensive therapy for his swollen feet and bad circulation. He also said he walks poorly and has difficulty working. He sells home supplies such as kitchen and bath towels and dishes, a business that requires a lot of walking and visiting houses. He often forgets where he lives, but people recognize him on the street and take him home because he's confused.

The American Hospital Association said it does not have a specific policy governing immigrant removals, and it does not track how many hospitals encounter the issue.

Nessel expects medical removals to increase with implementation of health care reform, which makes many more patients eligible for Medicaid. As a result, the government plans to cut payments to hospitals that care for the uninsured.

Some hospitals call immigration authorities when they receive patients without immigration documentation, but the government rarely responds, Nessel said. Taking custody of the patient would also require the government to assume financial responsibility for care.

Jan Stipe runs the Iowa Methodist department that finds hospitals in patients' native countries that are willing to take them. The hospital's goal, she said, is to "get patients back to where their support systems are, their loved ones who will provide the care and the concern that each patient needs."

The American Medical Association's Council on Ethical and Judicial Affairs issued a strongly worded directive to doctors in 2009, urging them not to "allow hospital administrators to use their significant power and the current lack of regulations" to send patients to other countries.

Doctors cannot expect hospitals to provide costly uncompensated care to patients indefinitely, the statement said. "But neither should physicians allow hospitals to arbitrarily determine the fate of an uninsured noncitizen immigrant patient."

Arturo Morales, a Monterrey, Mexico, lawyer who helps Cruz and Rodriguez-Saldana with legal issues, is convinced the men would have been better off staying in Iowa.

"I have no doubt," he said. "You have a patient who doesn't have money to pay you. You can't let them die."

___

Associated Press Writer Barbara Rodriguez in Des Moines contributed to this report.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

Wonder what the state income tax is on that? Welcome to the 1%...

 

[Deleted Account]

Man and I thought my bullets were expensive... That takes the cake!

 

[pronstar]

So let's charter a private jet to deport those illegals.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

 

[shintoooo]

Wonder what the state income tax is on that? Welcome to the 1%...

There's no tax on that

 

[Sleek-Jet]

There's no tax on that

On the settlement itself? Didn't know that.

 

[OCMerrill]

Unfortunately, legal or not doesn't matter. Our neighbor had some illegals doing his lawn. My dog got out & snipped at him - left about a quarter size welt, didn't even break the skin or his jeans. The guy was putting up his weed whacker at the time, my only guess is waving it around looked threatning. He took our insurance for 15k.

Speaking of Legal or Not.

I was replacing concrete weld on stair treads in an apartment complex in Fullerton 6+ years ago. Caution tape and cones, gen running. A lady, pregnant, spans one stair gap as were yelling at her not to come down. She did anyway and fell right in front of us. I picked her up.

She said sorry, I had the Apartment manager there and he called the police and fire. She had NO ID and refused to go to the hospital. Police gave her my info anyway. Thought nothing of it.

Well she hired an attorney who tracked down my business liability and sent them a cert. letter. I had to file a claim and pay the $1000 ded. and they rolled over for $18k for NOTHING and did not even interview me , my employees, the apartment manager, nothing. Police report and bang my rates go up.

Its pretty easy and like Pronstar said they will need 4mil more in a year to bail themselves out of the mess they will soon create.


LAPD definitely fucked up and the officers should be fired on the spot and made to pay the $4 mil back IMO. Why do we have to pay???

 

[OCMerrill]

No tax but their attorney fees will be just as much.

They always win.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

They will be on celebrity rehab next season

 

[El Rojo]

US hospitals send hundreds of immigrants back home
By DAVID PITT | Associated Press


DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) ? Days after they were badly hurt in a car accident, Jacinto Cruz and Jose Rodriguez-Saldana lay unconscious in an Iowa hospital while the American health care system weighed what to do with the two immigrants from Mexico.

The men had health insurance from jobs at one of the nation's largest pork producers. But neither had legal permission to live in the U.S., nor was it clear whether their insurance would pay for the long-term rehabilitation they needed.

So Iowa Methodist Medical Center in Des Moines took matters into its own hands: After consulting with the patients' families, it quietly loaded the two comatose men onto a private jet that flew them back to Mexico, effectively deporting them without consulting any court or federal agency.

When the men awoke, they were more than 1,800 miles away in a hospital in Veracruz, on the Mexican Gulf Coast.

Hundreds of immigrants who are in the U.S. illegally have taken similar journeys through a little-known removal system run not by the federal government trying to enforce laws but by hospitals seeking to curb high costs. A recent report compiled by immigrant advocacy groups made a rare attempt to determine how many people are sent home, concluding that at least 600 immigrants were removed over a five-year period, though there were likely many more.

In interviews with immigrants, their families, attorneys and advocates, The Associated Press reviewed the obscure process known formally as "medical repatriation," which allows hospitals to put patients on chartered international flights, often while they are still unconscious. Hospitals typically pay for the flights.

"The problem is it's all taking place in this unregulated sort of a black hole ... and there is no tracking," said law professor Lori Nessel, director of the Center for Social Justice at Seton Hall Law School, which offers free legal representation to immigrants.

Now advocates for immigrants are concerned that hospitals could soon begin expanding the practice after full implementation of federal health care reform, which will make deep cuts to the payments hospitals receive for taking care of the uninsured.

Health care executives say they are caught between a requirement to accept all patients and a political battle over immigration.

"It really is a Catch-22 for us," said Dr. Mark Purtle, vice president of Medical Affairs for Iowa Health System, which includes Iowa Methodist Medical Center. "This is the area that the federal government, the state, everybody says we're not paying for the undocumented."

Hospitals are legally mandated to care for all patients who need emergency treatment, regardless of citizenship status or ability to pay. But once a patient is stabilized, that funding ceases, along with the requirement to provide care. Many immigrant workers without citizenship are ineligible for Medicaid, the government's insurance program for the poor and elderly.

That's why hospitals often try to send those patients to rehabilitation centers and nursing homes back in their home countries.

Civil rights groups say the practice violates U.S. and international laws and unfairly targets one of the nation's most defenseless populations.

"They don't have advocates, and they don't have people who will speak on their behalf," said Miami attorney John De Leon, who has been arguing such cases for a decade.

Estimating the number of cases is difficult since no government agency or organization keeps track.

The Center for Social Justice and New York Lawyers for the Public Interest have documented at least 600 immigrants who were involuntarily removed in the past five years for medical reasons. The figure is based on data from hospitals, humanitarian organizations, news reports and immigrant advocates who cited specific cases. But the actual number is believed to be significantly higher because many more cases almost certainly go unreported.

Some patients who were sent home subsequently died in hospitals that weren't equipped to meet their needs. Others suffered lingering medical problems because they never received adequate rehabilitation, the report said.

Gail Montenegro, a spokeswoman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said the agency "plays no role in a health care provider's private transfer of a patient to his or her country of origin."

Such transfers "are not the result of federal authority or action," she said in an email, nor are they considered "removals, deportations or voluntary departures" as defined by the Immigration and Nationality Act.

The two Mexican workers in Iowa came to the U.S. in search of better jobs and found work at Iowa Select Farms, which provided them with medical insurance even though they had no visas or other immigration documents.

An Iowa Select Farms spokeswoman said Tuesday she could find no record that the men worked for the company under those names. The attorney for the two men said he learned through subpoenas that they had worked for a pork company that he believes was once a subsidiary of Iowa Select.

The two were returning home from a fishing trip in May 2008 when their car was struck by a semitrailer truck. Both were thrown from the vehicle and suffered serious head injuries.

At the time, Cruz had been here for about six months, Rodriguez-Saldana for a little over a year.

Insurance paid more than $100,000 for the two men's emergency treatment. But it was unclear whether the policies would pay for long-term rehabilitation. Two rehabilitation centers refused to take them.

Eleven days after the car crash, the two men were still comatose as they were carried aboard a jet bound for Veracruz, where a hospital had agreed to take them.

Rodriguez-Saldana, now 39, said the Des Moines hospital told his family that he was unlikely to survive and should be sent home.

The hospital "doesn't really want Mexicans," he said in a telephone interview with the AP. "They wanted to disconnect me so I could die. They said I couldn't survive, that I wouldn't live."

Hospital officials said they could not discuss the case because of litigation. The men and their families filed a lawsuit in 2010 claiming they received minimal rehabilitative care in Veracruz.

A judge dismissed the lawsuit last year ruling that Iowa Methodist was not to blame for the inadequate care in Veracruz. The courts also found that even though the families of the men may not have consented to their transport to Mexico, they also failed to object to it. An appeals court upheld the dismissal.

Patients are frequently told family members want them to come home. In cases where the patient is unconscious or can't communicate, relatives are told their loved one wants to return, De Leon said.

Sometimes they're told the situation is dire, and the patient may die, prompting many grief-stricken relatives to agree to a transfer, he said.

Some hospitals "emotionally extort family members in their home country," De Leon said. "They make family members back home feel guilty so they can simply put them on a plane and drop them off at the airport."

In court documents, Iowa hospital officials said they had received permission from Saldana's parents and Cruz's long-term partner for the flight to Mexico. Family members deny they gave consent.

There's no way to know for sure whether the two men would have recovered faster or better in the United States. But the accident left both of them with life-altering disabilities.

Nearly five years later, the 49-year-old Cruz is paralyzed on his left side, the result of damage to his hip and spine. He has difficulty speaking and can't work.

"I can't even walk," he said in a telephone interview, breaking into tears several times. His long-term partner, Belem, said he's more emotional since the accident.

"He feels bad because he went over there and came back like this," she said. "Now he can't work at all. ... He cries a lot."

She works selling food and cleaning houses. Their oldest son, 22, sometimes contributes to the family income.

Rodriguez-Saldana said he has to pay for intensive therapy for his swollen feet and bad circulation. He also said he walks poorly and has difficulty working. He sells home supplies such as kitchen and bath towels and dishes, a business that requires a lot of walking and visiting houses. He often forgets where he lives, but people recognize him on the street and take him home because he's confused.

The American Hospital Association said it does not have a specific policy governing immigrant removals, and it does not track how many hospitals encounter the issue.

Nessel expects medical removals to increase with implementation of health care reform, which makes many more patients eligible for Medicaid. As a result, the government plans to cut payments to hospitals that care for the uninsured.

Some hospitals call immigration authorities when they receive patients without immigration documentation, but the government rarely responds, Nessel said. Taking custody of the patient would also require the government to assume financial responsibility for care.

Jan Stipe runs the Iowa Methodist department that finds hospitals in patients' native countries that are willing to take them. The hospital's goal, she said, is to "get patients back to where their support systems are, their loved ones who will provide the care and the concern that each patient needs."

The American Medical Association's Council on Ethical and Judicial Affairs issued a strongly worded directive to doctors in 2009, urging them not to "allow hospital administrators to use their significant power and the current lack of regulations" to send patients to other countries.

Doctors cannot expect hospitals to provide costly uncompensated care to patients indefinitely, the statement said. "But neither should physicians allow hospitals to arbitrarily determine the fate of an uninsured noncitizen immigrant patient."

Arturo Morales, a Monterrey, Mexico, lawyer who helps Cruz and Rodriguez-Saldana with legal issues, is convinced the men would have been better off staying in Iowa.

"I have no doubt," he said. "You have a patient who doesn't have money to pay you. You can't let them die."

___

Associated Press Writer Barbara Rodriguez in Des Moines contributed to this report.

MORAL OF THE STORY, ALWAYS WEAR YOUR SEATBELT

 

[U4ia]

The lawyer will typically get 1/3 of the settlement so they will each end up with $1.4 million.

Interesting that the assumption is that these women were illegals, on what basis did folks come to that conclusion? I was thinking that since they were working for a newspaper and one of them had a decent truck they probably were citizens or resident aliens. Can you get a car loan if you arent a citizen and dont have a drivers license? If they were illegal the driver wouldn't have had a license and LAPD would have charged her, if only to discredit them in the media.

The city got off cheaply IMHO, can you imagine how much a jury would have awarded!!!

It is ironic how the media and forums were full of people calling out Dorner for his cowardly ambush attacks and then LAPD goes and does the exact same thing: lie in concealment on a dark street and then open up with a rifle with no warning on innocent civilians. Who polices the Police? And who protects the people from the protectors......?

 

[PVHCA]

The lawyer will typically get 1/3 of the settlement so they will each end up with $1.4 million.

Interesting that the assumption is that these women were illegals, on what basis did folks come to that conclusion? I was thinking that since they were working for a newspaper and one of them had a decent truck they probably were citizens or resident aliens. Can you get a car loan if you arent a citizen and dont have a drivers license? If they were illegal the driver wouldn't have had a license and LAPD would have charged her, if only to discredit them in the media.

The city got off cheaply IMHO, can you imagine how much a jury would have awarded!!!

It is ironic how the media and forums were full of people calling out Dorner for his cowardly ambush attacks and then LAPD goes and does the exact same thing: lie in concealment on a dark street and then open up with a rifle with no warning on innocent civilians. Who polices the Police? And who protects the people from the protectors......?

Agree, everyone bashing these ladies would give their right nut to get the cash they did. Just because they look the part doesn't mean they are and if these ASSHOLE undertrained POS officers hadn't gone all Natzi on them there wouldn't be this conversation.

 

[BajaMike]

So let's charter a private jet to deport those illegals.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

A private jet to Mexico might be $15k to $25k, taking care of a comatose patient for a month or two is probably $100k to a million.

I used to be in the air ambulance business. If you get in a hospital in Mexico, and you can't pay (cash, they won't wait for insurance), they will put you out in the street. I used to fly people out of Mexico about once a month....In Cancun one time they put a guy with a broken back out in the street. We picked him up and flew him to New Orleans, where he was in the hospital for 2 months.

 

[BajaMike]

The lawyer will typically get 1/3 of the settlement so they will each end up with $1.4 million.

Interesting that the assumption is that these women were illegals, on what basis did folks come to that conclusion? I was thinking that since they were working for a newspaper and one of them had a decent truck they probably were citizens or resident aliens. Can you get a car loan if you arent a citizen and dont have a drivers license? If they were illegal the driver wouldn't have had a license and LAPD would have charged her, if only to discredit them in the media.

The city got off cheaply IMHO, can you imagine how much a jury would have awarded!!!

It is ironic how the media and forums were full of people calling out Dorner for his cowardly ambush attacks and then LAPD goes and does the exact same thing: lie in concealment on a dark street and then open up with a rifle with no warning on innocent civilians. Who polices the Police? And who protects the people from the protectors......?

And over 100 shots and they didn't hit the ladies....is that right??

 

[Joker]

I heard the ladies were firing those rubber bands that hold the newspaper together at the officers? One of them even put a piece of paper folded up in the middle and shot it like a wrist rocket.

 

[RUNNINHOTRACING163.1]

Legal or illegal those officers fucked up big time.




that they did



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[pronstar]

A private jet to Mexico might be $15k to $25k, taking care of a comatose patient for a month or two is probably $100k to a million.

But the choices aren't "treat them or charter a jet to fly them home".
There are far cheaper transportation choices out there :thumbsup

 

[BajaMike]

But the choices aren't "treat them or charter a jet to fly them home".
There are far cheaper transportation choices out there :thumbsup

If they are comatose, I don't know of any other transportation choices.....You can't put them on an airliner and you can drive them.

 

[72Hondo]

Brace your self.

Get em stable then ship em out. If its not life threatening why treat them in the first place? Don't they have free clinics in Pacomia or maybe planned patent hood could help them out. I have no sympathy for anyone who is in this country illegally. Just because you set foot on US soil does not entitle you to things. Why don't they do it the legal way? Because there looking for a handout. Ever wonder why they don't bother to learn the english language? Cause they don't care about becoming citizens.

Lets just say things don't work here the same as they do there mexifornia.

Hats me if you want, I'm just putting out there what everyone is thinking.

 

[Bobby V]

And over 100 shots and they didn't hit the ladies....is that right??

No. Hernandez was shot in the back and Carranza had minor injuries according to the AP.

 

[U4ia]

Brace your self.

Get em stable then ship em out. If its not life threatening why treat them in the first place? Don't they have free clinics in Pacomia or maybe planned patent hood could help them out. I have no sympathy for anyone who is in this country illegally. Just because you set foot on US soil does not entitle you to things. Why don't they do it the legal way? Because there looking for a handout. Ever wonder why they don't bother to learn the english language? Cause they don't care about becoming citizens.

Lets just say things don't work here the same as they do there mexifornia.

Hats me if you want, I'm just putting out there what everyone is thinking.

I am thinking you are gonna be really bummed when all the Hispanics in Texas start to vote........

 

[72Hondo]

I am thinking you are gonna be really bummed when all the Hispanics in Texas start to vote........

Who knows what will happen, segregation is still alive in Texas as well as the south. Check Vidor, & jasper out.