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What I was told is potentially good things!
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What I was told is potentially good things!
Please spill the beans!!! You are not normally this quiet.What I was told is potentially good things!
You are giving all these Speed order guys blue balls with your edging.What I was told is potentially good things!
That's a deal. Cheaper than you can buy one for now and get it sooner.Saw this on CL, no affiliation/relation:
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The welds look great haha!For you pro turbo r folks. Lmao this was at a dealer in AZ today and a few pics were taken.
Must be using the same robots RG’s using.For you pro turbo r folks. Lmao this was at a dealer in AZ today and a few pics were taken.
Ho-Lee-Fook, that is one ugly machine. And if those are really the welds, what the f***?For you pro turbo r folks. Lmao this was at a dealer in AZ today and a few pics were taken.
Ho-Lee-Fook, that is one ugly machine. And if those are really the welds, what the f***?
The front Springs look way out of whack, and the "roll cage" is even worse than a stock 2016 yxz cage . Couldn't they at least put an intrusion bar in there, or some corner gussets?
This might hurt some feelings and ruffle some feathers, but can't many of us remember when Polaris was literally a joke in the off-road vehicle (quad) world?
Polaris has never been an innovator of anything, they watched Yamaha birth the (current) side by side with the Rhino and then came up with their own version, then rode their own marketing campaign until now. The only real thing they have on anybody else these days is the live valve shocks, but that won't be exclusive to them for long. Even most Polaris owners will admit that they fit and finish is s***, which I can't understand why that's acceptable for them?
Speed UTV is real, no matter how much a few people want to try and shoot it down. I think that Yamaha also has a new yxz ready to drop that is going to blow everybody away, which is why they're being so secretive. But who knows? Competition is good for everybody, including and especially the consumers.
Happy Friday fuckers!
Well, they are bolt-less welds
If that was a real "structural " weld, you would be grinding it out to replace it. More than likely you would be grinding it out for the guy that replaces you.All these cars are built to a mass production standard. Those welds are ugly, but they are likely fine structurally.
If that was a real "structural " weld, you would be grinding it out to replace it. More than likely you would be grinding it out for the guy that replaces you.
You summed up what I’ve been saying in this thread and the other Pro R thread.
The Polaris bean counters ruin everything they make. I’m sure this car will be good, but it will still need $10k of crap by the time you are done.
All these cars are built to a mass production standard. Those welds are ugly, but they are likely fine structurally.
I looked at a Kawasaki this week, I think that one is really good from a fit and finish perspective. Of the turbo cars, I think Polaris is better than Can Am, but it is a low bar. If Speed falls between those 2, they will be just fine.
The Speed roll cage will be the best and safest on the market by far.
Years back i was asked to race for polaris on their new pwc factory teamHo-Lee-Fook, that is one ugly machine. And if those are really the welds, what the f***?
The front Springs look way out of whack, and the "roll cage" is even worse than a stock 2016 yxz cage . Couldn't they at least put an intrusion bar in there, or some corner gussets?
This might hurt some feelings and ruffle some feathers, but can't many of us remember when Polaris was literally a joke in the off-road vehicle (quad) world?
Polaris has never been an innovator of anything, they watched Yamaha birth the (current) side by side with the Rhino and then came up with their own version, then rode their own marketing campaign until now. The only real thing they have on anybody else these days is the live valve shocks, but that won't be exclusive to them for long. Even most Polaris owners will admit that they fit and finish is s***, which I can't understand why that's acceptable for them?
Speed UTV is real, no matter how much a few people want to try and shoot it down. I think that Yamaha also has a new yxz ready to drop that is going to blow everybody away, which is why they're being so secretive. But who knows? Competition is good for everybody, including and especially the consumers.
Happy Friday fuckers!
Many Can Am welds and chassis parts just break after 2000-3000 miles. I'm not saying that to be pejorative, but out of all the cars Can Ams seem to need the most maintenance or upgrades as they are used. I'd also say as of this moment they are probably the best overall performing cars on the market.I don't have any welds on my X3 frame that look anywhere near that bad. If that is a typical weld on a RZR, I am not sure I would put it above Can Am.
I would distinguish that the X3 issues appear to be design related and not due to QC. The fact that all suspension components are single shear doesn't have anything to do with welds, just a poor design.Many Can Am welds and chassis parts just break after 2000-3000 miles. I'm not saying that to be pejorative, but out of all the cars Can Ams seem to need the most maintenance or upgrades as they are used. I'd also say as of this moment they are probably the best overall performing cars on the market.
Honestly I'm sure RZRs in the future will look better.
I would distinguish that the X3 issues appear to be design related and not due to QC. The fact that all suspension components are single shear doesn't have anything to do with welds, just a poor design.
Ahh gotcha I misunderstood what you were saying.No this is actual components breaking. I know half a dozen guys that have all broken the same stuff at basically the same mileage. These are fully built cars with all the gusseting and are used but not abused. The forums pretty much echo the same story.
The trailing arms simply age out and start cracking everywhere. The front ends start stress cracking, transmission mounts fail, hubs break.
There is a reason Geiser makes replacement frames for the Can Am. People that drive their cars hard are constantly chasing stress cracks as the cars age.
Ahh gotcha I misunderstood what you were saying.
In fairness, I'm pretty sure Rhys Millen also sells full chromoly rzr chassis for the same reason
66 pages later I’m convinced my Jeep Gladiator as built and as modified is a far better value than any of these “cars” and while they’re different vehicles for different purposes there’s a lot to be said for Jeeping with A/C, heat, no dust, no helmets and no intercoms.
I’ve considered buying a SxS but none of this encourages me to make the leap
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Definitely multiple ways to have fun in the dirt and no right answer. You will be climate controlled and cleaner, us sxs folks can cover a lot more ground in a day at higher speeds66 pages later I’m convinced my Jeep Gladiator as built and as modified is a far better value than any of these “cars” and while they’re different vehicles for different purposes there’s a lot to be said for Jeeping with A/C, heat, no dust, no helmets and no intercoms.
I’ve considered buying a SxS but none of this encourages me to make the leap
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Depends on the terrainDefinitely multiple ways to have fun in the dirt and no right answer. You will be climate controlled and cleaner, us sxs folks can cover a lot more ground in a day at higher speeds
66 pages later I’m convinced my Jeep Gladiator as built and as modified is a far better value than any of these “cars” and while they’re different vehicles for different purposes there’s a lot to be said for Jeeping with A/C, heat, no dust, no helmets and no intercoms.
I’ve considered buying a SxS but none of this encourages me to make the leap
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Definitely multiple ways to have fun in the dirt and no right answer. You will be climate controlled and cleaner, us sxs folks can cover a lot more ground in a day at higher speeds
Many speed cars have welds that fail at......oh wait. Too soonMany Can Am welds and chassis parts just break after 2000-3000 miles. I'm not saying that to be pejorative, but out of all the cars Can Ams seem to need the most maintenance or upgrades as they are used. I'd also say as of this moment they are probably the best overall performing cars on the market.
Honestly I'm sure RZRs in the future will look better.
Not for sale. Brandon Sims KOH car, goes to Lone Star Racing next.Then why is that one on the dealer floor for sale, and what robotic welder was replaced?
That weld is a structural part of the cage at a multi tube joint. The Speed car bolt was on a small gusset for a tube crossbar.
These are mass produced cars welded by robots. The welds aren’t going to always look perfect.
Not for sale. Brandon Sims KOH car, goes to Lone Star Racing next.
Many speed cars have welds that fail at......oh wait. Too soon
For you pro turbo r folks. Lmao this was at a dealer in AZ today and a few pics were taken. View attachment 1071720 View attachment 1071721 View attachment 1071722
What’s funny is the defense of short sighted hypocrisy.You guys are funny..."My shitty welds are better than your shitty welds!"
Geesh.
You never hesitate to insult those who don’t agree with your all-knowing opinions
If you think those welds are bad, you should look at my 2018 Can Am. It was horrible, and the fit and finish was the worst ever. I didn't look at it before I bought it. That was a mistake. I wanted to blame it on being built on a Friday, but I don't think welding robots care about Fridays.For you pro turbo r folks. Lmao this was at a dealer in AZ today and a few pics were taken. View attachment 1071720 View attachment 1071721 View attachment 1071722
this was on page 3!!!!! Blasphemy
I watched 5 minutes of the last speed presentation. The car may into production in a few months, minus a engine
this was on page 3!!!!! Blasphemy
I watched 5 minutes of the last speed presentation. The car may into production in a few months, minus a engine
If you want to keep thinking what they are talking out in these announcements is all present tense, you can but that is not the reality.yes, they started talking about new cranks, coated pistons, oil pumps, bearings, shifting...Im afraid the motor is no where close to mass production. Obviously getting it right is key, but trying these new parts doesnt sound great.
On the flip side it will give Carl1 more time to secure pre sales
you watched 5 minutes, I had to stop watching the updates. Being in sales I thought they would be more polished, they are more like an open dialogue (not what I consider a product update).
I keep looking at those lower number spots being sold and think about taking advantage. However until a production date is released and cars are rolling off the line, I am staying on the sideline. Might pay more, but I like to earn the juice on my money vs letting someone else earn it.
If you want to keep thinking what they are talking out in these announcements is all present tense, you can but that is not the reality.
Just like the welding robots and chassis jigs at the factory, you said it would take them 9 months to be operational, and they had full chassis in like 6 weeks.
Just like everyone said there was no way they could get the preproduction cars from the factory to the Sand Show in time.
It isn't because they have some magic R&D process, it is because they are controlling what information is released when.
Thanks for the clarification Baghdad Bob!