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Normally not one to post stuff like this but are you f’ing kidding me!






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Friends kid got a nursing degree last year and is working in Phx. She said they are to code anything possible as covid or covid like symptoms. I have allergies, those are covid like..

A Health official in AZ said live on tv, the deaths could even be higher because there are covid deaths of people who never had covid. ie died of heart attack and didn’t get a physical earlier in the year due to Yep you guessed it COVID.

Its always about fleecing for money. $100 per test reimbursement from Uncle Sam. No wonder all the universities are doing tests. Do the math. 10,000 test a day is $1,000,000 a day.
 

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Just another way to open the piggy bank, we will pay for it and there will be another crisis 10-13 years from now to open piggy bank again.
 

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Vin posted it here: https://www.riverdavesplace.com/xen...-covid-thats-9-000-total.223273/#post-3823531

but everyone needs to know the truth according to the CDC:

Just 6% of all those who died did so solely from Covid-19

Imagine how many people die only from the flu each year

The vast majority of people who die from these viruses do so because they have other health issues and most have more than one (it's 2.6 on average)
 

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60% of adults in the US have a chronic health condition. 80% of the population over 55 has a chronic health condition. 6% of the population dying from only Covid-19 isn't a surprise. If there are deaths counted due to an accident 5k in the latest data then subtract those. But saying that the Covid death rate is off by 94% is not how you should look at the data. They need to do a better job of determining the severity of the underlying disease. If a person was at deaths door already and covid gave them a nudge than yeah that death shouldn't be attributed to Covid. If the person was going to live for another 20 years with their underlying condition but Covid made it worse than yeah they died of Covid-19.

I think the only way to figure it out without all the fuckery is to look at the total death numbers.

2.8mm died in 2018
We are at 2.3 now for 2020 taking the data from the CDC which captures 2/1/2020 - 8/23/2020.

Row LabelsSum of Number of COVID-19 Deaths
Respiratory diseases
632880​
Coronavirus Disease 2019
613587​
Circulatory diseases
413713​
All other conditions and causes (residual)
293739​
Diabetes
96402​
Vascular and unspecified dementia
70115​
Sepsis
52348​
Renal failure
50984​
Malignant neoplasms
27472​
Alzheimer disease
20828​
Obesity
19903​
Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events
18563​
(blank)
Grand Total
2310534​

If the death rates hold by the end of 2020 the chart will look something like this:

Cause of deathCount
Respiratory diseases
896580​
Coronavirus Disease 2019
869248.3​
Circulatory diseases
586093.4​
All other conditions and causes (residual)
416130.3​
Diabetes
136569.5​
Vascular and unspecified dementia
99329.58​
Sepsis
74159.67​
Renal failure
72227.33​
Malignant neoplasms
38918.67​
Alzheimer disease
29506.33​
Obesity
28195.92​
Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events
26297.58​
(blank)
Grand Total
3273257​

Here are the numbers from 2017 and 2018
Cause of death
2017​
2018​
Diseases of the heart
647457​
655381​
Malignant neoplasms
599108​
599274​
Accidents
169936​
167127​
Chronic lower respiratory diseases
160201​
150486​
Cerebrovascular
146383​
147810​
alzheimer
121404​
122019​
diabetes
83564​
84946​
Influenza
55672​
59120​
Nephritis
50633​
51386​
Suicide
47173​
48344​
All other
731072​
744312​
2812603​
2830205​

The data isn't exactly apples to apples. Thanks again CDC.

The typical death rate growth has been hovering around 1.2% annually. Based on the 2018 number of 2,830,205 that would put the death total for 2019 at 2,864,167 and for 2020 at 2,898,537.

The difference between 2018 published numbers and my guestimate of 2020 final death total is a difference of 374k when including the 1.2% annual growth in death rate.

I would also add that I would expect my guestimate to not hold true as the numbers typically will go up when winter hits.

Not arguing a point one way or another just trying to understand the data and I am pissed that they keep changing the way it is reported as its just getting more convoluted.
 

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60% of adults in the US have a chronic health condition. 80% of the population over 55 has a chronic health condition. 6% of the population dying from only Covid-19 isn't a surprise. If there are deaths counted due to an accident 5k in the latest data then subtract those. But saying that the Covid death rate is off by 94% is not how you should look at the data. They need to do a better job of determining the severity of the underlying disease. If a person was at deaths door already and covid gave them a nudge than yeah that death shouldn't be attributed to Covid. If the person was going to live for another 20 years with their underlying condition but Covid made it worse than yeah they died of Covid-19.

I think the only way to figure it out without all the fuckery is to look at the total death numbers.

2.8mm died in 2018
We are at 2.3 now for 2020 taking the data from the CDC which captures 2/1/2020 - 8/23/2020.

Row LabelsSum of Number of COVID-19 Deaths
Respiratory diseases
632880​
Coronavirus Disease 2019
613587​
Circulatory diseases
413713​
All other conditions and causes (residual)
293739​
Diabetes
96402​
Vascular and unspecified dementia
70115​
Sepsis
52348​
Renal failure
50984​
Malignant neoplasms
27472​
Alzheimer disease
20828​
Obesity
19903​
Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events
18563​
(blank)
Grand Total
2310534​

If the death rates hold by the end of 2020 the chart will look something like this:

Cause of deathCount
Respiratory diseases
896580​
Coronavirus Disease 2019
869248.3​
Circulatory diseases
586093.4​
All other conditions and causes (residual)
416130.3​
Diabetes
136569.5​
Vascular and unspecified dementia
99329.58​
Sepsis
74159.67​
Renal failure
72227.33​
Malignant neoplasms
38918.67​
Alzheimer disease
29506.33​
Obesity
28195.92​
Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events
26297.58​
(blank)
Grand Total
3273257​

Here are the numbers from 2017 and 2018
Cause of death
2017​
2018​
Diseases of the heart
647457​
655381​
Malignant neoplasms
599108​
599274​
Accidents
169936​
167127​
Chronic lower respiratory diseases
160201​
150486​
Cerebrovascular
146383​
147810​
alzheimer
121404​
122019​
diabetes
83564​
84946​
Influenza
55672​
59120​
Nephritis
50633​
51386​
Suicide
47173​
48344​
All other
731072​
744312​
2812603​
2830205​

The data isn't exactly apples to apples. Thanks again CDC.

The typical death rate growth has been hovering around 1.2% annually. Based on the 2018 number of 2,830,205 that would put the death total for 2019 at 2,864,167 and for 2020 at 2,898,537.

The difference between 2018 published numbers and my guestimate of 2020 final death total is a difference of 374k when including the 1.2% annual growth in death rate.

I would also add that I would expect my guestimate to not hold true as the numbers typically will go up when winter hits.

Not arguing a point one way or another just trying to understand the data and I am pissed that they keep changing the way it is reported as its just getting more convoluted.
Another twist that should be accounted for are the deaths from delayed "elective" procedures. I read at one point early on in the shut down that there were 8 cardiac deaths in OC alone due to delayed medical procedures that were shut down from the government order.

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Another twist that should be accounted for are the deaths from delayed "elective" procedures. I read at one point early on in the shut down that there were 8 cardiac deaths in OC alone due to delayed medical procedures that were shut down from the government order.

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Good point I would imagine we will continue to see more complications from shutting down non emergency procedures.
 

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60% of adults in the US have a chronic health condition. 80% of the population over 55 has a chronic health condition. 6% of the population dying from only Covid-19 isn't a surprise. If there are deaths counted due to an accident 5k in the latest data then subtract those. But saying that the Covid death rate is off by 94% is not how you should look at the data. They need to do a better job of determining the severity of the underlying disease. If a person was at deaths door already and covid gave them a nudge than yeah that death shouldn't be attributed to Covid. If the person was going to live for another 20 years with their underlying condition but Covid made it worse than yeah they died of Covid-19.

I think the only way to figure it out without all the fuckery is to look at the total death numbers.

2.8mm died in 2018
We are at 2.3 now for 2020 taking the data from the CDC which captures 2/1/2020 - 8/23/2020.

Row LabelsSum of Number of COVID-19 Deaths
Respiratory diseases
632880​
Coronavirus Disease 2019
613587​
Circulatory diseases
413713​
All other conditions and causes (residual)
293739​
Diabetes
96402​
Vascular and unspecified dementia
70115​
Sepsis
52348​
Renal failure
50984​
Malignant neoplasms
27472​
Alzheimer disease
20828​
Obesity
19903​
Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events
18563​
(blank)
Grand Total
2310534​

If the death rates hold by the end of 2020 the chart will look something like this:

Cause of deathCount
Respiratory diseases
896580​
Coronavirus Disease 2019
869248.3​
Circulatory diseases
586093.4​
All other conditions and causes (residual)
416130.3​
Diabetes
136569.5​
Vascular and unspecified dementia
99329.58​
Sepsis
74159.67​
Renal failure
72227.33​
Malignant neoplasms
38918.67​
Alzheimer disease
29506.33​
Obesity
28195.92​
Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events
26297.58​
(blank)
Grand Total
3273257​

Here are the numbers from 2017 and 2018
Cause of death
2017​
2018​
Diseases of the heart
647457​
655381​
Malignant neoplasms
599108​
599274​
Accidents
169936​
167127​
Chronic lower respiratory diseases
160201​
150486​
Cerebrovascular
146383​
147810​
alzheimer
121404​
122019​
diabetes
83564​
84946​
Influenza
55672​
59120​
Nephritis
50633​
51386​
Suicide
47173​
48344​
All other
731072​
744312​
2812603​
2830205​

The data isn't exactly apples to apples. Thanks again CDC.

The typical death rate growth has been hovering around 1.2% annually. Based on the 2018 number of 2,830,205 that would put the death total for 2019 at 2,864,167 and for 2020 at 2,898,537.

The difference between 2018 published numbers and my guestimate of 2020 final death total is a difference of 374k when including the 1.2% annual growth in death rate.

I would also add that I would expect my guestimate to not hold true as the numbers typically will go up when winter hits.

Not arguing a point one way or another just trying to understand the data and I am pissed that they keep changing the way it is reported as its just getting more convoluted.
For a guy with a handle "drunken sailor" you sure like to push the numbers around! 🤔😁
 
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