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Being a farm kid from the Midwest I looked forward to every year when the workers would come. The fucking media is trying to make everyone racist, don't buy into it.
I turned off the news 4 years ago and it was the best thing I ever did.
 

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are you talking the news media? drug commercials, trucks more white than black, interatial couples selling the suburbs they want to destroy. i got you!
 

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Just say no to the news.

P. S. We get it. We just can't Say that we get it.

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Buddy of mine does commercials. About a year ago I started to ask him, “ hey, have you noticed…”
He cut me off and said commercials are all “ minorities “ now? He said actors with fair skin blonde hair have just quit going to casting calls anymore.
 

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It’s always been there. Its the mail crap you threw in the trash, when there wasn’t an internet or cell phone. 😉
BS
Not even close to what it is this year.
TV commercials are very nearly ALL black, gay or both.
Some channels worse than others.
Comedy Central is tracking about 65% or more all black commercials regardless of the product.
Well over 75% of their commercials feature black or gay or both.
This virtue signaling for a segment that represents less than 14% of the population.
From an advertising perspective it makes no sense at all EXCEPT when you figure in white woke millennials and their soft bigotry of low expectations.
 
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First step in dismantling normalacy is to make the normal people reject normalcy. This is why it's not enough for them to just live and let live, they have to FORCE you into living how THEY WANT you to.
 

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I watch the evening news at the dinner hour. Local news at 5, NBC nightly news with Lester at 5:30, then BBC at 6:00.

Lester's show is like 80% drug ads. It's insane. They all want me to ask my doctor about (insert odd name here).

I have a list of about 30 drugs to ask my doctor about next time I go in. LOL The other commercials are Farmers or Liberty insurance.
 

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Buddy of mine does commercials. About a year ago I started to ask him, “ hey, have you noticed…”
He cut me off and said commercials are all “ minorities “ now? He said actors with fair skin blonde hair have just quit going to casting calls anymore.
Exactly , despite what the main stream would LIKE you to believe , one only need to google a given group in todays world and see that "statistic" and then see that "X" group for example makes up perhaps 4% of the US population and yet commercials may depict that tiny group as "mainstream" , the motive ??
 

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It’s always been there. Its the mail crap you threw in the trash, when there wasn’t an internet or cell phone. 😉
You're full of more crap than the turkey the powers that be won't let you have this year!!
 

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Exactly , despite what the main stream would LIKE you to believe , one only need to google a given group in todays world and see that "statistic" and then see that "X" group for example makes up perhaps 4% of the US population and yet commercials may depict that tiny group as "mainstream" , the motive ??
To get rid of you and I!!!!!!
 

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Odd that this would come up today . . . I'm returning our cable tv dvr boxes this morning back to Spectrum ( rectum) for this very reason !
Not paying $250 / month for basura !!! 🖕
 

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It’s crazy..

The type of tv I watch there are no commercials.. when I goto someone else’s house or to my moms and watch normal tv I am always sitting there like this 😳😳👀

Lol
And you thought I was kidding about winning my superbowl commercials bet.
 

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Not to mention that if you just woke up from a 30 year coma, and TV commercials were all you had to see what was going on, the first thing you'd ask is "Why aren't there any same race race couples any more?"
 

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Not to mention that if you just woke up from a 30 year coma, and TV commercials were all you had to see what was going on, the first thing you'd ask is "Why aren't there any same race race couples any more?"
Yep.
Exactly.
The credit score one with the gay interracial dads and 2 mixed up kids lamenting about their shitty car and shitty credit score is a whole thing.
The black Jake from State Farm telling the non binary “Parker” that he didn’t order pizzas is another.
Now the trend is fat black women in commercials. (No offense to fat black women, just an observation) It’s bizarre.
We are in the twilight zone.
Masked up drones everywhere here in Vegas (State mandate) 13% segment dictating to the masses.
The world is fucking upside down.
 

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Not to mention that if you just woke up from a 30 year coma, and TV commercials were all you had to see what was going on, the first thing you'd ask is "Why aren't there any same race race couples any more?"
And how did a certain demographic group become the majority. Anyone notice a trend with the hair? There is a reason for the trend. I knew something was amiss and researched it. Absolutely crazy.

Cheers, Steve
 

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And how did a certain demographic group become the majority. Anyone notice a trend with the hair? There is a reason for the trend. I knew something was amiss and researched it. Absolutely crazy.

Cheers, Steve
Im not sure what trend in hair your talking about. I do see way more filthy dreads that don't get washed but I see a lot of colored hair purple, green,blue ect ?
 

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Companies do not make these commercials in a vacuum. They are put together to serve a specific targeted purpose where a company wants to grow or maintain their brand or product. They have multiple ads targeted specifically for the audience demographics and perceived likes of the programming where the specific ad is run. The results of these ads are studied, measured and the ads tweaked to meet the goals and objectives.

If they were not working, they would not run them and/or will change them.

The big plan of these ads is to sell more shit and build the brand. Nothing more, nothing less. It’s just business.
 

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I was watching only you tube mostly but that has turned into commercial city, so back to no TV, seems only porn is commercial free anymore.
 

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The black Jake from State Farm telling the non binary “Parker” that he didn’t order pizzas is another

The more alarming thing is the original commercials with “Jake from State Farm“ were played by a white guy they named “Jake from State Farm”

Fuck at least change his name.….Jamal from State Farm or something.
 

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The more alarming thing is the original commercials with “Jake from State Farm“ were played by a white guy they named “Jake from State Farm”

Fuck at least change his name.….Jamal from State Farm or something.

"Yeah, well she's a guy, so ............ "

One of the cleverest ads I've ever seen.

Companies do not make these commercials in a vacuum. They are put together to serve a specific targeted purpose where a company wants to grow or maintain their brand or product. They have multiple ads targeted specifically for the audience demographics and perceived likes of the programming where the specific ad is run. The results of these ads are studied, measured and the ads tweaked to meet the goals and objectives.

If they were not working, they would not run them and/or will change them.

The big plan of these ads is to sell more shit and build the brand. Nothing more, nothing less. It’s just business.

That may be the way it USED to be. But now, they're afraid of being targeted by the alphabet mafia, lgbtqrstuvblmetc. Everyone is so self-centered that the 2% demographic that is more concerned with seeing people on TV "that look like me", are affecting what the rest of the country see.
 

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BS
Not even close to what it is this year.
TV commercials are very nearly ALL black, gay or both.
Some channels worse than others.
Comedy Central is tracking about 65% or more all black commercials regardless of the product.
Well over 75% of their commercials feature black or gay or both.
This virtue signaling for a segment that represents less than 14% of the population.
From an advertising perspective it makes no sense at all EXCEPT when you figure in white woke millennials and their soft bigotry of low expectations.
It's not just the commercials at all!
 

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Companies do not make these commercials in a vacuum. They are put together to serve a specific targeted purpose where a company wants to grow or maintain their brand or product. They have multiple ads targeted specifically for the audience demographics and perceived likes of the programming where the specific ad is run. The results of these ads are studied, measured and the ads tweaked to meet the goals and objectives.

If they were not working, they would not run them and/or will change them.

The big plan of these ads is to sell more shit and build the brand. Nothing more, nothing less. It’s just business.
Not right now my friend.. They're doing it out of fear, and because a handful of people at the top of the company bought into the ideology and are pushing it heavily. I've seen this first hand at two companies I consult for... It's bizarre.

Or if you want to talk about metrics, these companies are now measuring themselves against a bunch of bullshit metrics that didn't exist last year. Hell I signed up as a vendor to a major corporation last week and there was a question if my company was a member of one of several "disadvantaged" groups. Seems like they have a quota to fill?

These companies are trying to serve two masters but it ain't gonna work for long. These commercials are not meeting the underlying goals and objectives in America I can assure you. It's only a matter of time until this is realized and they gracefully pivot out of it.
 

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Not right now my friend.. They're doing it out of fear, and because a handful of people at the top of the company bought into the ideology and are pushing it heavily. I've seen this first hand at two companies I consult for... It's bizarre.

Or if you want to talk about metrics, these companies are now measuring themselves against a bunch of bullshit metrics that didn't exist last year. Hell I signed up as a vendor to a major corporation last week and there was a question if my company was a member of one of several "disadvantaged" groups. Seems like they have a quota to fill?

These companies are trying to serve two masters but it ain't gonna work for long. These commercials are not meeting the underlying goals and objectives in America I can assure you. It's only a matter of time until this is realized and they gracefully pivot out of it.
I’m involved in three companies with national branding/advertising budgets and not once has what you are speaking of come up.

It’s just like before. How do we build the brand and sell more shit.

Obviously your experience is different but i guess that’s just an opportunity for others to take market share. 🤷🤷🤷
 

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I’m involved in three companies with national branding/advertising budgets and not once has what you are speaking of come up.

It’s just like before. How do we build the brand and sell more shit.

Obviously your experience is different but i guess that’s just an opportunity for others to take market share. 🤷🤷🤷
How do you see it being justified, e.g., if 75% of the actors are a minority in a particular ad that you're working on?

It may be the trendy thing to do, and "everyone is doing it," so it's not talked about. But you said everything is measured, so where do you guys get data that backs everything up and says "this is selling more product?" How do you know it's not correlation and not causation? I think lots of companies did better since Covid, even if their branding and marketing got worse.

In my experience people are afraid and nobody wants to speak up, or they'll blame something else on these sorts of topics.

Perhaps if a liberal sees a super woke ad it will work better in their mind, but that's only half the country. So the math doesn't add up. Do all these national companies running their ads not care about potenally half of their existing customers and target market?
 

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How do you see it being justified, e.g., if 75% of the actors are a minority in a particular ad that you're working on?

It may be the trendy thing to do, and "everyone is doing it," so it's not talked about. But you said everything is measured, so where do you guys get data that backs everything up and says "this is selling more product?" How do you know it's not correlation and not causation? I think lots of companies did better since Covid, even if their branding and marketing got worse.

In my experience people are afraid and nobody wants to speak up, or they'll blame something else on these sorts of topics.

Perhaps if a liberal sees a super woke ad it will work better in their mind, but that's only half the country. So the math doesn't add up. Do all these national companies running their ads not care about potenally half of their existing customers and target market?
The question about what percentage of actors should be this sex, color, race or religion has never come up.

It’s always about what ad targets the demographics for that medium. And I have typically seen multiple ads with the same basic message being tailored depending upon the medium and the audience that would be looking at that medium.

An ad for sports is different than an ad for a family show but the message is tailored to sell more shit and build the brand with that target audience. And for some products or brands we skip whole groups and types of medium as they are not a customer and never will be.

It’s all very structured. And it may be as you say wrongly measured. But all we care about as management is results. And that is measured quarterly by sales, volume, mix, margin, market share and profit. 🤷🤷🤷
 
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The "WOKE" are a minority. But they are a very loud and vocal minority that knows how to rage on Twitter and Social Media.

The vast majority of mature Asians, Blacks and Latinos don't care about catering to gays, lesbians and trans people. It's the youngest generation that is being catered to.

I think it is right that "alphabet" people are respected and their business is appreciated. But I don't particularly care to have that lifestyle stuck in my face constantly. I'm tolerant. I respect others privacy and choices. That doesn't mean I'm gonna watch Ru Paul's Drag Race. Maybe they are 7% of the population or so, they aren't the majority. The race to see who can be most woke is really odd. Watching men kissing on prime time TV is not what I want to see.

I don't want to see diarrhea medicine at the dinner hour either. I don't even care for cartoon bears talking about how to enjoy taking a shit and their preferred toilet paper. We have lost a sense of class that used to be present.

The decline of western civilization I think they call it. LOL
 

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The question about what percentage of actors should be this sex, color, race or religion has never come up.

It’s always about what ad targets the demographics for that medium. And I have typically seen multiple ads with the same basic message being tailored depending upon the medium and the audience that would be looking at that medium.

An ad for sports is different than an ad for a family show but the message is tailored to sell more shit and build the brand with that target audience. And for some products or brands we skip whole groups and types of medium as they are not a customer and never will be.

It’s all very structured. And it may be as you say wrongly measured. But all we care about as management is results. And that is measured quarterly by sales, volume, mix, margin, market share and profit. 🤷🤷🤷
Interesting answer, thanks. I don't feel like arguing on a Saturday, maybe once I start drinking I'll come back to this thread lol
 

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You guys are missing the intent of the ads , they are designed to re-program and gas -light the American people . We all know Hollywood is extremely woke and left , and will fall all over themselves to promote this current agenda . This agenda has come from the top oligarchs in society. An example is I notice 99.9% of any commercial now showing a happy family with a father doting over his kids / family is black . Now look up the National statistics, and it shows 75% of black kids raised by 1 parent , usually the mother . So that is gas-lighting , perpetuating a non-truth . Ram it down people’s throats enough , and they begin to believe it . This is only 1 example , there are LOTS more . Pretty much everything being rammed down our throats right now , is pretty much opposite the norm .
 

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You guys are missing the intent of the ads , they are designed to re-program and gas -light the American people . We all know Hollywood is extremely woke and left , and will fall all over themselves to promote this current agenda . This agenda has come from the top oligarchs in society. An example is I notice 99.9% of any commercial now showing a happy family with a father doting over his kids / family is black . Now look up the National statistics, and it shows 75% of black kids raised by 1 parent , usually the mother . So that is gas-lighting , perpetuating a non-truth . Ram it down people’s throats enough , and they begin to believe it . This is only 1 example , there are LOTS more . Pretty much everything being rammed down our throats right now , is pretty much opposite the norm .
I agree, Yes they do.

Maybe wrongly, but I have always thought that was the point of all ads. If you use this or buy this product you will be cool, or better, or more beautiful, or cured, fit into a bikini like a supermodel or more whatever.

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Perhaps if a liberal sees a super woke ad it will work better in their mind, but that's only half the country. So the math doesn't add up. Do all these national companies running their ads not care about potenally half of their existing customers and target market?

If the big, broad, general audience you used to have is gone, and deep down you think it’s never coming back, then why not make a harder bid for the loyalty of the smaller audience you’ve got left? In a time when the entertainment industry is (or thinks it is) a one-party state with no dissenters, you had better echo that politics back to your base.

What were once cultural institutions with a broad, bipartisan audience are becoming niche players with a narrow fan base. They no longer view partisan politics as a dangerous move that will shrink their audience. Instead, they’re using partisan politics as a lure to secure the loyalty of their audience, or what is left of it.



Same thing.
 

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I was watching only you tube mostly but that has turned into commercial city, so back to no TV, seems only porn is commercial free anymore.
If you have a fire stick download SmartTube - it’s YouTube without the commercials.
 

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If the big, broad, general audience you used to have is gone, and deep down you think it’s never coming back, then why not make a harder bid for the loyalty of the smaller audience you’ve got left? In a time when the entertainment industry is (or thinks it is) a one-party state with no dissenters, you had better echo that politics back to your base.

What were once cultural institutions with a broad, bipartisan audience are becoming niche players with a narrow fan base. They no longer view partisan politics as a dangerous move that will shrink their audience. Instead, they’re using partisan politics as a lure to secure the loyalty of their audience, or what is left of it.



Same thing.
This is a big part of it I think. Not sure how it works for broad industries though, lots of people would be happy to switch if there was a non woke alternative.

BTW this article is great, the US is becoming similar to how Rome and Byzantine empires were created as they couldn't agree on how to run the country so they broke into two. Very interesting read : https://www.zerohedge.com/political/america-becoming-rome-versus-byzantium
 

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This is all about ESG and boosting the company’s ESG score. That’s it.
 

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The question about what percentage of actors should be this sex, color, race or religion has never come up.

It’s always about what ad targets the demographics for that medium. And I have typically seen multiple ads with the same basic message being tailored depending upon the medium and the audience that would be looking at that medium.

An ad for sports is different than an ad for a family show but the message is tailored to sell more shit and build the brand with that target audience. And for some products or brands we skip whole groups and types of medium as they are not a customer and never will be.

It’s all very structured. And it may be as you say wrongly measured. But all we care about as management is results. And that is measured quarterly by sales, volume, mix, margin, market share and profit. 🤷🤷🤷

And now you are also measured increasingly on ESG...sometimes over profits or returns.
 

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And now you are also measured increasingly on ESG...sometimes over profits or returns.
ESG scores are qualitative not quantitative and although everyone is aware of some small groups, like social investment funds, and the like that care about them, I have yet to hear a single manager, board member or company that I am involved with care in any way shape or form about them.

And likewise I have yet to hear from a single customer who cares about these metrics or the plethora of other “social/environmental” scoring metrics.
 

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Companies do not make these commercials in a vacuum. They are put together to serve a specific targeted purpose where a company wants to grow or maintain their brand or product. They have multiple ads targeted specifically for the audience demographics and perceived likes of the programming where the specific ad is run. The results of these ads are studied, measured and the ads tweaked to meet the goals and objectives.

If they were not working, they would not run them and/or will change them.

The big plan of these ads is to sell more shit and build the brand. Nothing more, nothing less. It’s just business.
Not in the least.
That’s how advertising USED to be.
Now it’s a demonstration of wokeness.
It makes no sense from an advertising standpoint.
How much demographic lies with gay couples?
Compared with the cost of said advertising?
Market share wrangling has given way to virtue signaling.
 

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ESG scores are qualitative not quantitative and although everyone is aware of some small groups, like social investment funds, and the like that care about them, I have yet to hear a single manager, board member or company that I am involved with care in any way shape or form about them.

And likewise I have yet to hear from a single customer who cares about these metrics or the plethora of other “social/environmental” scoring metrics.
I’m pretty sure for most public companies, ESG is on their radar and they have a department(s) dedicated to it. From Google, to GE, BofA, Macy’s, Rio Tinto, and thousands of companies in between. It’s the latest buzzword (acronym) and movement that public companies want (or even forced) to be apart of.
 

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Jake from State Farm use to be white, maybe he read the book black like me...
 
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