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Discussion in 'RD's Lounge' started by The Prisoner, Jan 13, 2020.
And I thought somebody had their tow hitch stolen...
I agree, that title was deceiving...
So Pete Rose gets banned for life for betting on games.
But you cheat to win the world series and only get a year.
Makes perfect sense.
Silly discipline if you ask me, not enough.. Those draft picks should go to the Dodgers. Especially since they said the investigation revealed they stole signs during the World Series, not just "the season"..
And they should vacate the title.
They really should have taken their WS Title away from them. That would hurt a lot more than $5M !!!
Reminds me of Bobs Big Boy.
Alex Cora is next.
I know the report says that they couldn't prove that the cheating helped them win the World Series, but with Cora doing the same thing with the Red Sox with the same result should make it clear that it did impact the series and hence give them the title..
He honestly needs to be. He was apparently a big part of it.
I think highly of Hinch and Luhnow, but like Jim Crane said, if they knew about what was going on, they failed to act on it which was their job. This shit embarrassed the owner and the fans. Shame on other players that let it go on to such a degree. The 'Stros have the talent to win without silly cheating schemes.
It will be interesting to see if others come forward.....Really taints the clubhouse and what they achieved
local Boston sports is saying Cora will probably be fired before the suspension is announced because it’s supposed to by more than Hinches.
Do you guys honestly believe that everybody isn't doing this in some form? When my daughter played club softball, there was a coach that would come and help with fielding. He was a drafted minor league player with I want to say the A's, if I remember correctly. One of his things to do was watch the signs from the both sides and take notes. He said they would make a spreadsheet after the games and compare them with prior games. I know it's not the extent of what the Astros and Sox were doing, but it is a gateway to doing it.
It musta worked for them to keep doing it.
I heard the trash can was only demoted and is now inside a bathroom in Section 407. That's bullshit, he should've been recycled!
Manfred warned everyone a few years ago there would be harsh penalties after the Apple watch fiasco with the Red Sox.
I guess there would only be a penalty if you were to get caught...
Well, that's true of anything. Don't know what's up with my Boston teams...........something in the water.Spy gate, deflategate, spygate 2 and Coragate....we're only missing the Bruins and Celtics "gate."
One year isn’t enough, not even close. It’s one thing to try to pick off signs from second base. It’s another to have a camera up. It’s complete BS and the players should be completely embarrassed.
Everybody tries to pick signs , but not with computer aided technology. Trying to remember signs is one thing Doing what the Astros did is bush league and all the other teams suffered
What I wonder is will Hinch and the GM ever be hired by another club. One thing for sure it’s the owner who matters and obviously he didn’t know and dropped the hammer big time. Frier’s who plays for the A’s was the one who spilled the beans, never read why he did that. I know there’s the comment everybody is doing it but getting caught and how they were doing it was there undoing. They lost major draft picks which is how they got good in the first place by losing 100 games more than once. Kind of fitting in a way that’s just my take.
I think both will work again somewhere. Luhnow is too good and distant enough that he may not be as affected. Hinch is great manager but was kinda in the midst of what should never have happened. He could sit awhile depending on what ones up with Cora. I think in the end, the bulk of this falls on Cora.....
I think there may be some other issues going on behind the scenes. An assistant of some sort got fired over sexual taunts at female media after ALCS. Then the Ryan's left and broke ties with the club
To address your first sentence, they’ll be an opening in Boston soon John Henry will look weak if he doesn’t fire Cora plus they just hired a new gm so he may want his own guy.
On a serious note I was wondering why Hinch didn’t do that well for the Diamondbacks. Now we know.
Fuck the Lastros......fuck the Red Sox.....and fuck Cora......the championships should be vacated....no brainer. Their actions had an impact on the outcome of the World Series.....they cheated...period. Shit....USC had their shit stripped for that weenie Bush just accepting benefits.
Oh quit beggin'....
The DBacks dodge a bullet with Hinch.
No, the Red Sox can keep theirs. We don't want to Lance Armstrong everybody!!
That shit both clubs did is about as bush league as you can get. Hopefully they can have a mic'd up version on ESPN soon. I would love to hear the shit talking this coming season.
Quit beggin?....lol......so setting up cameras in center field to steal signs is acceptable? This ain't no coach and player on second base stealing signs from painted fingernails of the catcher. Someone made the decision to ok cameras being set up....that turned it into an organizational thing. The whole franchise should pay the consequences. You build a team with a huge amount of talent and you have to resort to cheating to give you an edge? What a slap in the face to the players.
All the teams cheat
Stealing signs is as old as baseball itself. If your dumb enough not to use sequencing or other forms of deception to hide your signs then you deserve to have your signs stolen. This difference in the Astros and Red Sox cases is they used live video feed to relay the signs to the batter after MLB issued a notice to all teams that this was forbidden. (Note: I'm sure it had been going on for years before MLB issued notice!)
The Houston Asterisks and MLB are sweating class action lawsuits by fans. No mention ever how the fans got fucked on this.
Not only lawsuits for refunds of the WS games, but for the entire season and playoffs. Season ticket holders from other team could join the class action too because they got screwed as well. Especially LA fans.
So, no vacating of the results.
MLB had warned Boston and the Asterisks a year earlier about electronic sign stealing and they continued on and did it anyway.
This isn’t the same as your occasional runner on second catching a glimpse and adjusting his hat that teams understand, are aware of and can take precautions. Electronic equip was specifically installed to pull this off.
It’s all about money now and future and how bad the fans got fucked and how fans retaliate.
MLB is running scared and essentially did nothing in response to their findings. Absofuckinglutely nothing.
Not like that they dont.
is this on the same level of the White Sox of 1919?
Yeah but these teams and players got off easier.
Players were obviously well aware of it. They were being fed and using that info but no action by MLB taken.
I think you guys are missing my point. If they are going to this much trouble in the minors, think what most if not all are doing in the majors. They are just being more discreet or maybe put it on the shelf for now since the heat is on. Hell we were stealing signs in Little League, only difference is my parent weren’t video taping them and showing us later.
Can I sue them to get my 15 hours of life back? Shoulda stuck to my routine and watched botched
Cora is gonzo.
He can just move down the street, heard the Patriots have an opening...
Cora is out as Red Sox manager, says they mutually agreed to part ways.
I just read where the Mets are deciding Carlos Beltran’s fate. Cora may not ever manage again.
Like I said in the other thread...... What you described is essentially learning a player/teams tendencies for calling certain pitches in certain situations. If you can't relay that info to the batter in real time, it just helps the anylitics of the game.l and has been a part of the game since the beginning.
I recall it wasn't even Reggie that took the bennie's but it was his shit-for-brains step dad that took them "on his behalf" but yet used them (most a Hummer if I recall) exclusively himself.
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It went down something like this:
Owner: Alex can you come into my office. I want to talk to you about this cheating scandal.
Alex Cora: Fuck You I quit !!!
I’m with you on that.
This is not good
From beltran's cousin
Sounds like the same system where the dealer has an Ace in the hole.
That's why Altuve was yelling into dugout for them to not rip off his jersey when he walked off Yanks just this season in ALCS. Little fuckers. Makes sense why they are so clutch now, helps when you know what's coming