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Baldwin nothing more than a personal pimp for the extreme left and entire Democrat apparatus. His entire public presentation is for profit to himself. Baldwin recognized opportunity with the Left and ran with the highest bidder. I doubt he has any real solid belief in anything Democrat,Republican or the communist party.
 

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Did you see the or hear that the armory lady is new. 2nd set. Her dad is a well know armory movie guy.
She just did a podcast a few weeks ago....its going to get interesting.

Just like the Gabby case.. no one really knows much of anything with regards to actual facts.

Kevin Hart got in that car crash all these TMZ idiots were talking about banning classic cars. They don’t know anything about anything.


Tragic accident, but there are way more important things to be concerned with.
 

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Just like the Gabby case.. no one really knows much of anything with regards to actual facts.

Kevin Hart got in that car crash all these TMZ idiots were talking about banning classic cars. They don’t know anything about anything.


Tragic accident, but there are way more important things to be concerned with.


Like "Speed Cars"?:confused:
 

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Im not arguing with anyone..its too easy to type incorrectly or make it sound wrong. I agree with most everything on here.
My original point was it has become very easy to hang someone for their political views or vocal beliefs. Which in this instance has happened big time. Baldwins out spoken life has made it easy to instantly get the rope on him prior to even knowing a full story. Yes he pulled the trigger. Yes everyone goes instantly after him for his prior actions.
If he was pro gun and pro trump these conversations wouldnt be happening. Period. On RDP anyways.

Right now in this country your either on one team or the other. Theres no crossing lines even in a tragic event.
Thats the human element that is lost for all of us. There is another team, they are not bad people for believing differently. (Some are on both teams)

Baldwin made his bed on this, he is toast.
My apologies for any confusion, yes he is a assclown and he held the gun.

The speed thread is more fun than this one
I agree with you 100% and I want to be clear I was NOT burning him down one bit as a liberal, anti-gun POS. As said before it doesn't matter to me who puled the trigger, heck it could have been God but he who did is guilty plain as day and should be in jail awaiting execution right now. There is no who-done-it, where's the gun or no witnesses. It's ALL there right in front of the whole world, get on with it.
 

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As much as I dislike Baldwin, I don’t think he (as an actor) is responsible. I’ve been around a few movie / TV sets. Guns are handled by a prop master and gun specialist / armorer. Actors get handed a gun they don’t do a safety check and go over the guns much at all after a quick safety briefing. hell, most don’t even know anything about a gun except point, pull trigger. That’s why there’s experts on set to ensure safety. It is heavily ironic that this would happen to him though.

However, on the point that he is a producer, he holds some responsibility on that level, he may In fact encure some major liability. Especially with the info that there was already concerns of set safety being voiced. The chick that deleted her account that is said to be the weapons / prop manager, is FUUUUUUUUUCKED. like manslaughter charges fucked.

In the end, I feel bad for the young lady that was killed and her family / loved ones. Horrible tragedy. Hope the other guy makes a recovery as well. Baldwins a douche, no doubt about it. And this seems like a thick slice of karma. Just too bad it was served at the cost of human life.
 

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As much as I dislike Baldwin, I don’t think he (as an actor) is responsible. I’ve been around a few movie / TV sets. Guns are handled by a prop master and gun specialist / armorer. Actors get handed a gun they don’t do a safety check and go over the guns much at all after a quick safety briefing. hell, most don’t even know anything about a gun except point, pull trigger. That’s why there’s experts on set to ensure safety. It is heavily ironic that this would happen to him though.

However, on the point that he is a producer, he holds some responsibility on that level, he may In fact encure some major liability. Especially with the info that there was already concerns of set safety being voiced. The chick that deleted her account that is said to be the weapons / prop manager, is FUUUUUUUUUCKED. like manslaughter charges fucked.

In the end, I feel bad for the young lady that was killed and her family / loved ones. Horrible tragedy. Hope the other guy makes a recovery as well. Baldwins a douche, no doubt about it. And this seems like a thick slice of karma. Just too bad it was served at the cost of human life.
With all due respect @Tank. A firearm is a firearm and needs to be treated like a firearm even if it is not a firearm. A big reason my children never had fake firearms to play with as youngsters. Even prop guns are lethal.
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SANTA FE, N.M. — As a film crew and actors in Western garb prepared to rehearse a scene inside a wooden, chapel-like building on a desert movie ranch outside Santa Fe, assistant director Dave Halls stepped outside and grabbed a prop gun off a cart.

He walked back in and handed it to the film's star, Alec Baldwin, assuring him it was safe to use because it didn't have live ammo, according to police.

"Cold gun," Halls yelled, according to court records made public Friday.

It wasn't. Instead, when Baldwin pulled the trigger Thursday, he killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounded director Joel Souza, who was standing behind her.

The tragedy came nearly three decades after Brandon Lee, the son of martial arts legend Bruce Lee, died in a similar case, and it prompted horrified questions about how it could have happened again. The executive producer of ABC's police drama "The Rookie" announced Friday the show would no longer use "live" weapons because the "safety of our cast and crew is too important."

Details of the shooting at the ranch on Bonanza Creek Road were included in a search warrant application filed by the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office. Investigators were seeking to examine Baldwin's blood-stained costume for the film "Rust," as well as the weapon that was fired, other prop guns and ammunition, and any footage that might exist.

The gun was one of three that the film's armorer, Hannah Gutierrez, had set on a cart outside the building where a scene was being acted, according to the records. Halls grabbed the gun from the cart and brought it inside to Baldwin, unaware that it was loaded with live rounds, a detective wrote in the search warrant application.

It was unclear how many rounds were fired. Gutierrez removed a shell casing from the gun after the shooting, and she turned the weapon over to police when they arrived, the court records say.

I'm a little confused here...the weapon was most likely a revolver. After the incident, and before the police arrive, the armorer "removed the shell casing"...
Isn't that kind of tampering with evidence? Did they really think the gun did it on it's own and feared another discharge?

In all honesty, I do not know what protocol is. I have never been at that type of event.
 

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Baldwin nothing more than a personal pimp for the extreme left and entire Democrat apparatus. His entire public presentation is for profit to himself. Baldwin recognized opportunity with the Left and ran with the highest bidder. I doubt he has any real solid belief in anything Democrat,Republican or the communist party.
Wasn't too long ago he advocated killing Republican members of congress then hunting down and killing their family members. He's a fucking sub human piece of shit.
 

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With all due respect @Tank. A firearm is a firearm and needs to be treated like a firearm even if it is not a firearm. A big reason my children never had fake firearms to play with as youngsters. Even prop guns are lethal.
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No argument from me there at all. But that’s not the way Hollywood sees it or treats it (outside of legit prop / weapon managers). Hollywood’s ignorance of weapons is to their detriment in these cases.

The movie industry works in little boxes. Everyone has their specified job. They designate a gun safety expert / prop master/ armorer etc so the actors, who aren’t weapons experts, don’t have to worry about the safety aspect. They’re handed a gun they believe it is filled with blanks because it’s been checked by someone that is the expert. Right or wrong, that’s how it works. No actor, save a select few, are doing press checks and pulling rounds out to inspect etc. the system is set up so these things don’t happen. There’s usually safety briefing and familiarization briefings with actors where general safety rules are gone over. Somewhere along the safety line, things got messed up. But it isn’t the actors fault unless he / they are screwing around and being unsafe. But I haven’t heard that was the issue here at all.

And again, I’m only defending the position of the actor (any actor), not Baldwin himself. Like I said above, I’m guessing his liability will come as the onset producer that let filming continue after safety concerns had already been brought up, not from an onset actor aspect.
 

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Wasn't too long ago he advocated killing Republican members of congress then hunting down and killing their family members. He's a fucking sub human piece of shit.
Correct,all of it rehearsed,in front of a camera with a microphone in his hand.
 

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So way way back in the day I was 19 framing out a mezzanine and cutting TJI plywood I floor joists and we had a system down 3 joists left to go…

My framing partner was up above the deck and I was on a ladder, I held the dumb end of the tape measure and he called out the number and I cut the number he called each and every time! And even the one time he F’d up!

But….
When asked and a few people asked, “ Who cut the joist” it was my fault !!!

Who pulled the trigger? Is the question people are asking.

Very sad deal ! Someone isn’t going home to be a wife and a mother, and a friend!

I have been a framer and home builder most of my life! And I call bull shit!! If you had the "dumb end" you are in the clear for sure!! Not your fault the "smart guy" is dyslexic🤷🏻‍♂️


I fired a guy one time because everything he brought back, as a cut man, was an inch short everytime. I worked with him one day because I wanted to call BS on my guys!. Sure as shit, everything over like 68" was an inch short. Told him he needed to go home, he wasnt needed.

The guy was pretty bummed he got fired, the guy/his roommate, the guy that got him the job brought me the kids tape measure the next day, it was actually MISSING the 69" or 70" mark on the tape🤣🤣 I felt bad and called him and told him he could come back to work but had to have a "Stanley" tape measure not "harbor freight"🤣🤣
 

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No argument from me there at all. But that’s not the way Hollywood sees it or treats it (outside of legit prop / weapon managers). Hollywood’s ignorance of weapons is to their detriment in these cases.

The movie industry works in little boxes. Everyone has their specified job. They designate a gun safety expert / prop master/ armorer etc so the actors, who aren’t weapons experts, don’t have to worry about the safety aspect. They’re handed a gun they believe it is filled with blanks because it’s been checked by someone that is the expert. Right or wrong, that’s how it works. No actor, save a select few, are doing press checks and pulling rounds out to inspect etc. the system is set up so these things don’t happen. There’s usually safety briefing and familiarization briefings with actors where general safety rules are gone over. Somewhere along the safety line, things got messed up. But it isn’t the actors fault unless he / they are screwing around and being unsafe. But I haven’t heard that was the issue here at all.

And again, I’m only defending the position of the actor (any actor), not Baldwin himself. Like I said above, I’m guessing his liability will come as the onset producer that let filming continue after safety concerns had already been brought up, not from an onset actor aspect.

And this is why people, especially actors, have absolutely no business handling a gun, live or not, unless trained to do so!! Cause it only takes ONCE!

Shitty thing is nobody will be held accountable. It will be the guns fault! Just more "propaganda" fuel to the fire!
 

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So... i'm no " Prop Gun " expert, is it a real gun or a "prop" ? If it's a " Prop " is the bore the same as a real gun, could it shoot an actual bullet ? I would think in this day and age of digital animation that the bang and flash would be added in later.... we've all seen movies where this is done. Alec is a first class Douche Bag, sucks that someone died.... regardless.
 

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I have to doubt claims that a fragment in the barrel from a previously fired bullet pushed by a blank caused the death of the cinematographer. Of course it's possible that happened, but the injury to the second person makes it unlikely.

The shot that killed her was a through and through, and then hit the second victim. That amount of energy suggests a live bullet of large caliber. Those Colt Peacemakers are .44 caliber, aren't they?

Did you see the or hear that the armory lady is new. 2nd set. Her dad is a well know armory movie guy.
She just did a podcast a few weeks ago....its going to get interesting.

And essentially said she didn't feel qualified. From what I hear, the procedures on the set violated the basic rules of guns on movie sets in several ways.

According to the sheriff, an assistant director picked up the gun from a cart and gave it to Baldwin, which was the armorer's job. The cart was outside of the structure, and no one observed this. Where was she?
 
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Just like the Gabby case.. no one really knows much of anything with regards to actual facts.
The difference in this case is that the sheriff's deputies were on site quickly, and a search warrant was obtained before a couple of hours had passed.

The sheriff's office has released some specific information so far, which has offset the speculation that always occurs in these situations. For example, they said the armorer removed ammunition from the accident gun before they arrived, and secured it, whatever that means.
 

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So... i'm no " Prop Gun " expert, is it a real gun or a "prop" ? If it's a " Prop " is the bore the same as a real gun, could it shoot an actual bullet ? I would think in this day and age of digital animation that the bang and flash would be added in later.... we've all seen movies where this is done. Alec is a first class Douche Bag, sucks that someone died.... regardless.

It depends. Most are real these days. The family gun collection has a few pieces from John Wayne movies. These guns are 100% real and have been fired my myself and my step-dad.
 

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If it was a blank with a left over projectile stuck in the barrel and the intent was a film shot into the camera then its a policy change that there is no reason to sit in direct line of possible fire and there should be clear evidence of film to back it up . If its a actor pointing a weapon at a coworker and pulling the trigger expecting it to be a blank and thought he was funny and it was not he is 100 percent to blame . Where is the video evidence showing the gun was being used and this was a true accident ?
 

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If it was a blank with a left over projectile stuck in the barrel and the intent was a film shot into the camera then its a policy change that there is no reason to sit in direct line of possible fire and there should be clear evidence of film to back it up . If its a actor pointing a weapon at a coworker and pulling the trigger expecting it to be a blank and thought he was funny and it was not he is 100 percent to blame . Where is the video evidence showing the gun was being used and this was a true accident ?
The news would hound people for film of a drugged up thief being shot, and try to justify film of cops being shot...a Hollywood person killing someone? That film may be with Hoffa.
 

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Basic gun safety....yes. Baldwin was given a prop to use. Does he or anyother end user fully inspect the work tools? No. Because the expert in props is the EXPERT.

I think baldwin is getting flamed due to his political views and beliefs. I dont think thats fair.
Its his right to speak freely, just like mine, yours, anyone in the dungeon or any where.

We are so divided as country right now its unreal. No more
 

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I don’t think everyone is understand how dangerous blanks are




Down here at old tucson studios when it was still a thing they would demonstrate how dangerous they were.


They would take a 7up can and shoot a blank at around 7-10 feet. It would rip the van apart from over pressure alone.
 

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As much as I dislike Baldwin, I don’t think he (as an actor) is responsible. I’ve been around a few movie / TV sets. Guns are handled by a prop master and gun specialist / armorer. Actors get handed a gun they don’t do a safety check and go over the guns much at all after a quick safety briefing. hell, most don’t even know anything about a gun except point, pull trigger. That’s why there’s experts on set to ensure safety. It is heavily ironic that this would happen to him though.

However, on the point that he is a producer, he holds some responsibility on that level, he may In fact encure some major liability. Especially with the info that there was already concerns of set safety being voiced. The chick that deleted her account that is said to be the weapons / prop manager, is FUUUUUUUUUCKED. like manslaughter charges fucked.

In the end, I feel bad for the young lady that was killed and her family / loved ones. Horrible tragedy. Hope the other guy makes a recovery as well. Baldwins a douche, no doubt about it. And this seems like a thick slice of karma. Just too bad it was served at the cost of human life.
Same here Tank with ALL respect, the last person to touch the gun is the responsible person, that would be Baldwin. One of the first rules of gun safety. If he did not clear the gun or press check it for live, hot, he is the one and only person who fucked up. I don't care who you are. If he had NO idea of gun safety, why did he handle the gun???????????
 

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with all the research actors supposedly do for a specific character, weight loss, weight gain, physical training etc. etc. why is it they can't or won't go learn specific gun safety protocols, gun handling, marksmanship if necessary when doing a movie where they are required to handle guns in "make believe" killing scenes? how is that not a required part of Their "character research and education"? That makes no sense to me. I hope the NRA uses baldwins mis-fortune against him in a new advertisement. Something like "if only alec had listened, learned and followed our gun safety protocols, he wouldn't have to live his remaining life as a murderer."
I hope he's getting fried on his instafag, twatter and fagbook accounts.
RIP lost sole. You were way too young to die.
 

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Same here Tank with ALL respect, the last person to touch the gun is the responsible person, that would be Baldwin. One of the first rules of gun safety. If he did not clear the gun or press check it for live, hot, he is the one and only person who fucked up. I don't care who you are. If he had NO idea of gun safety, why did he handle the gun???????????
I understand your sentiment (as well as the others on here saying the same thing) but I think it’s unrealistic. Their has to be trust in the industry that the people around you are doing their job. The professional in charge of the gun you’re using in a scene has made sure it’s safe. The professional in charge of the car that you’re driving in a technical scene has made sure that it’s safe. The professional handing you the sugar glass bottle that you’re using to break over someone’s head in the scene has assured it’s not a real bottle. The professional in charge of setting up the padding for a fall has placed the proper padding for when you push your fellow actor off a ledge for a scene. Take away douchey Baldwin abs put in joe nobody actor. An actor can’t be response for every safety aspect of a production that’s specifically why you hire safety professionals. I mean I’d like for him to hang for it because I he’s such an idiot. But I don’t personally believe the liability of filming a scene the way it’s supposed to be filmed is on him as an actor. As an on scene producer that knew of the prior safety issues? yes. As joe blow actor? No. Just the way i see it. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

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I don’t think everyone is understand how dangerous blanks are




Down here at old tucson studios when it was still a thing they would demonstrate how dangerous they were.


They would take a 7up can and shoot a blank at around 7-10 feet. It would rip the van apart from over pressure alone.
yep I was watching a old west horse and gun event where they rode past balloons on targets to shoot while being timed, they only used blanks to shoot the balloons. So the worked pretty good from 10 feet or so.
 

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No way is it the actors fault, period.
You have people that are on set just to handle any guns, its 100% their responsibility, you have to believe all actors have zero idea what to do with a gun ( because most of them do not) they don't know how to hold them much less check them, everything is the responsibility of the armorer,
the person calling cold gun should in fact know it is a cold gun, movies i have been on it seem like its two people checking each gun before being called,

The fact that professional crew left because of safety issues throws up a big flag, Baldwin being a producer will be responsible in that part way more than pulling the trigger,

i have worked on 100's of sets and never had crew leave because of safety issues,
 

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No way is it the actors fault, period.
You have people that are on set just to handle any guns, its 100% their responsibility, you have to believe all actors have zero idea what to do with a gun ( because most of them do not) they don't know how to hold them much less check them, everything is the responsibility of the armorer,
the person calling cold gun should in fact know it is a cold gun, movies i have been on it seem like its two people checking each gun before being called,

The fact that professional crew left because of safety issues throws up a big flag, Baldwin being a producer will be responsible in that part way more than pulling the trigger,

i have worked on 100's of sets and never had crew leave because of safety issues,

I get what you are saying Dan. On the set there should be somebody who is responsible for the fire arms as I'm sure there's always somebody whose a specialist and responsible for a multitude of different kinds props.

But the fact of the matter is I dont care who you are, the person holding the gun bares the responsibility of safely handling it. If they don't know how then they have absolutely no business handling it in the first place. If an actor/actress doesn't know how then they should be taught in depth before those scenes are filmed, or find a different actor/actress who does and can.

It takes less than a single day to teach somebody to handle a firearm safely. I don't care if I was told its a "hot" or a "cold" gun I always check them myself. When showing somebody one of mine, I always clear the gun right in front of them and dry fire it in a safe direction before it ever changes hands
 

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I get what you are saying Dan. On the set there should be somebody who is responsible for the fire arms as I'm sure there's always somebody whose a specialist and responsible for a multitude of different kinds props.

But the fact of the matter is I dont care who you are, the person holding the gun bares the responsibility of safely handling it. If they don't know how then they have absolutely no business handling it in the first place. If an actor/actress doesn't know how then they should be taught in depth before those scenes are filmed, or find a different actor/actress who does and can.

It takes less than a single day to teach somebody to handle a firearm safely. I don't care if I was told its a "hot" or a "cold" gun I always check them myself. When showing somebody one of mine, I always clear the gun right in front of them and dry fire it in a safe direction before it ever changes hands

They are filming a movie, people are going to be pointing guns and pulling triggers. It’s the armerors duty to make sure the gun is safe before the scene. Relying on the ability of an actor to make that determination and override the armorer is unrealistic, especially if blanks are being used.

If protocol broke down, then we’ll that is the fault of production.
 

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They are filming a movie, people are going to be pointing guns and pulling triggers. It’s the armerors duty to make sure the gun is safe before the scene. Relying on the ability of an actor to make that determination and override the armorer is unrealistic, especially if blanks are being used.

If protocol broke down, then we’ll that is the fault of production.

I'm not saying the actor should replace the armorer, I am saying the actor should know what his in his/her hand and what condition it is in. Im not saying to override the armorer. But they should have the knowledge and ability to be able to verify what they are being told.

As Ronald Reagan would say, "Trust but Verify"
 

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I'm not saying the actor should replace the armorer, I am saying the actor should know what his in his/her hand and what condition it is in. Im not saying to override the armorer. But they should have the knowledge and ability to be able to verify what they are being told.

As Ronald Reagan would say, "Trust but Verify"

When you have a blank or bullet in a gun for a scene, as an actor that knows little about guns, what are they gonna verify? That there is something in the chamber? Well there is supposed to be something in the chamber for the shot.

Clearly there was a breakdown in protocol/and or it was an accident.

Once again we don’t know the facts, no one does. If it was a “bullet fragment”, who knows what direction it will travel after it leaves the barrel.
 

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I'm not saying the actor should replace the armorer, I am saying the actor should know what his in his/her hand and what condition it is in. Im not saying to override the armorer. But they should have the knowledge and ability to be able to verify what they are being told.

As Ronald Reagan would say, "Trust but Verify"

100%... I totally agree with you. I mean, we are talking about a loaded gun you are going to point at a manned camera. Trusting some words of another crew member isn't good enough for me.
 

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No way is it the actors fault, period.
You have people that are on set just to handle any guns, its 100% their responsibility, you have to believe all actors have zero idea what to do with a gun ( because most of them do not) they don't know how to hold them much less check them, everything is the responsibility of the armorer,
the person calling cold gun should in fact know it is a cold gun, movies i have been on it seem like its two people checking each gun before being called,

The fact that professional crew left because of safety issues throws up a big flag, Baldwin being a producer will be responsible in that part way more than pulling the trigger,

i have worked on 100's of sets and never had crew leave because of safety issues,
Sorry Dan, but you know being a gun owner, that is a pile of garbage. Manuel hands Pedro a shovel, Pedro hits Charlie over the head with it and it's Manuel's fault??????????????????????
 

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I' m struggling to understand this....and in terms of passing "Grandpas rules" there are so many fuckups going on at one time it's hard to count them all.


(didnt see what the piece was but...) The gun was set out, or handed over in condition 1 or 2 (chamber loaded ready to fire hammer or striker ready)
He failed to clear the weapon he was either handed or picked up.
He pointed it or let it point at someone. (ironically he pointed it at the one of the only gals who didn't walk out on him)
He discharged the weapon negligently.

If one of us did it, it would be negligence, but Im going to guess this one gets ruled accidental and the blame goes to someone else...

Sad and tragic at the same time.
Sadly, the scapegoat will ultimately end up being the 24 yo Armorer girl.....whether she did anything wrong or not.
 
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Sorry Dan, but you know being a gun owner, that is a pile of garbage. Manuel hands Pedro a shovel, Pedro hits Charlie over the head with it and it's Manuel's fault??????????????????????

but Pedro was assured by Manuel that the shovel did not have a blade on it and could not hurt anyone.
not to mention Pedro was Paying Manuel to NOT hand him a shovel with a blade on it...

I'm speaking hypothetically, the shovel represent the gun.

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The actors here hold a variety of fake guns, including replicas and rubber guns that do not fire. But the 'prop guns' that actually fire are real guns.

“They’re easier to maintain than blank-firing only guns,” Woods explained. “Blank-firing guns can be dangerous, too, if used improperly.”

Woods says the real guns carry less risk of a dangerous malfunction, in part because they are easier to clean and ensure no debris gets into the gun.

Actors closely check their gun and their blank rounds before each show.

“We never point them at each other, we never point them ever at the audience,” Woods said. “We off-shoot when we shoot them. So that means that I never actually directly point it at you. I point it like 15 or 20 degrees off.”







So the big take away here is you don’t actually aim at a person as it looks like you are for the camera or live audience. So dumbass all around
 

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It strikes me odd the "prop" gun would be just sitting on a cart somewhere for the producer or whatever they are to grab it and call it cold without inspecting it. Add in the fact the union guys walked the day before and speculate, as was posted earlier, some sort of sabotage.
Something really dark happened there and I think it's more involved than many might expect.
If this was sort of retaliatory act, it's obvious no consideration was given as to who and how many lives might be affected. 🤬
This poor lady was just doing her job with passion.🥺😢
 
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