All CA State employees ordered back to the office 4 days per week eff. July 1

[C-2]

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[lbhsbz]

Sounds like you need one of these:

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That's brilliant. I'm sure she'll love it

 

[C-2]

That's brilliant. I'm sure she'll love it

You may need to customize one of the buttons to add "UPS store"

 

[lbhsbz]

You may need to customize one of the buttons to add "UPS store"

I just read her that post and she said "how about a make your own fucking dinner button asshole" lol

 

[Ultra...Good]

I just read her that post and she said "how about a make your own fucking dinner button asshole" lol

 

[rmarion]

 

[530RL]

We have never allowed work from home in any of our businesses. Sure people travel and work on the road, but otherwise if in town, they are coming in to the office to collaborate, communicate and deliver results.

It has always seemed logical to me that if the job can be done from home and not in person, it can certainly be outsourced to employees in a cheaper locality.

 

[monkeyswrench]

We have never allowed work from home in any of our businesses. Sure peole travel and work on the road, but otherwise if in town, they are coming in to the office to collaborate, communicate and deliver results.

It has always seemed logical to me that if the job can be done from home and not in person, it can certainly be outsourced to employees in a cheaper locality.

Well, to be fair, some of these people are doing just that. Instead of you saving due to locality, they are

 

[77charger]

Well, shit.

I think the people of ca prefer you stay working at home.

 

[530RL]

Well, to be fair, some of these people are doing just that. Instead of you saving due to locality, they are

I was thinking of a more “exotic” locality.

 

[C_J_J_C]

It has always seemed logical to me that if the job can be done from home and not in person, it can certainly be outsourced to employees in a cheaper locality.

100% this... it has always ended every argument when people try and justify working from home in California.

 

[C-2]

It has always seemed logical to me that if the job can be done from home and not in person, it can certainly be outsourced to employees in a cheaper locality.

I tell my co-workers the same all the time. Some get it, most do not.

 

[Bpracing1127]

100% this... it has always ended every argument when people try and justify working from home in California.

I disagree. Working from home allows the talent pool to be national vs locallly. This a huge game changer in itself.

 

[hallett21]

I disagree. Working from home allows the talent pool to be national vs locallly. This a huge game changer in itself.

That’s a double edged sword. Cost of living in middle America is significantly less. You could make the argument that the position could be fulfilled for less pay.

 

[4Waters]

If you work from home you don't get a pension, you get a 401k

 

[77charger]

That’s a double edged sword. Cost of living in middle America is significantly less. You could make the argument that the position could be fulfilled for less pay.

I liked to say you can’t build or make product at home. But your right on the could be fulfilled. I mean they could outsource to India or wherever that barely speaks English too. And the cost of living there is way less.

 

[4Waters]

I liked to say you can’t build or make product at home. But your right on the could be fulfilled. I mean they could outsource to India or wherever that barely speaks English too. And the cost of living there is way less.

They would live like kings making 5 dollars US and hour

 

[Ultra...Good]

They would live like kings making 5 dollars US and hour

Go to India, live like a King.

 

[77charger]

They would live like kings making 5 dollars US and hour

Pretty much and you know a big company will do whatever to save money.

 

[530RL]

Pretty much and you know a big company will do whatever to save money.

It’s not just a big company. Customers want more value for their dollar. You see it in thread after thread in here.

Companies respond to the customer. It’s just that simple. And if they don’t the customer moves on and the business fails large or small.

 

[RitcheyRch]

As a remote employee I send an email or call or instant message (same as an email I guess) if your light is green and you don’t answer your phone that is the same as me walking into your office or cube. My company general dynamics has zero tolerance policy on that stuff. I provide answers immediately.

Some of you are not meant to work from home. That’s ok. Also working from home you need to be a problem solver and self starter. If you need your hand held working from home is not for you

Completely agree with this statement. I have been working from home since COVID. After COVID the company started demanding employees come in 2 days per week, then to 3 days per week and then 4 days and ultimately 5 days. I had a medical exemption that allowed to me to go in one day a week since was still battling long COVID issues. My doctor didn't want me going in at all since was still on supplemental oxygen but I thought and felt I could do 1 day per week. After my heart bypass surgery, my doctor requested that I would from home for 1 year to allow my heart to continue healing. My 1 year exemption ended on Dec 15, 2024. Just before my exemption ended, I had some further testing done to see how my heart was healing and my doctor requested another year of work from home. Sent in the form to the company nurse and the company doctor saw my testing and recommended that I am a permanent work from home. Met with my manager and HR in Feb 2025 and my manager said that because I am unable to perform one of my job functions (traveling off site) that they could not allow me to work from home any longer and said that I needed to go out on a medical leave of absence. So, have been off work since Feb 17, 2025.

 

[mbrown2]

Completely agree with this statement. I have been working from home since COVID. After COVID the company started demanding employees come in 2 days per week, then to 3 days per week and then 4 days and ultimately 5 days. I had a medical exemption that allowed to me to go in one day a week since was still battling long COVID issues. My doctor didn't want me going in at all since was still on supplemental oxygen but I thought and felt I could do 1 day per week. After my heart bypass surgery, my doctor requested that I would from home for 1 year to allow my heart to continue healing. My 1 year exemption ended on Dec 15, 2024. Just before my exemption ended, I had some further testing done to see how my heart was healing and my doctor requested another year of work from home. Sent in the form to the company nurse and the company doctor saw my testing and recommended that I am a permanent work from home. Met with my manager and HR in Feb 2025 and my manager said that because I am unable to perform one of my job functions (traveling off site) that they could not allow me to work from home any longer and said that I needed to go out on a medical leave of absence. So, have been off work since Feb 17, 2025.

That really sux...but I sort of think we are conflating a couple of different aspects here. Your situation was medical and your company chose to play hardball and not flex. Likely because if they set a standard after bringing everyone else back in office others may pursue that standard using the medical route. They did what they did to reduce risk. On working from home or remote; its really up to company policy. Whether in the office or remote; I have always done my job such that if you can replace me with someone equal or better be my guest. If I don't lilke the culture whether it by in office or remote; its up to me to move and not try and change some CEO's opionion after they made their mind up. I think Covid taught us companies can get along remotely, but I think there is some old school CEO thinking that unless you can reach out and touch people you are not productive. All roles are not the same and so all working environments should not be the same. That said I think even Hybrid people are pushing it and causing more harm. They are showing 1 out of 2 mandatory days or 2 out of 4... I see it in mine and other companies. That happens and CEO's see the door swipe numbers and say screw it; play hardball and get them all back in 5 days a week.

 

[RitcheyRch]

That really sux...but I sort of think we are conflating a couple of different aspects here. Your situation was medical and your company chose to play hardball and not flex. Likely because if they set a standard after bringing everyone else back in office others may pursue that standard using the medical route. They did what they did to reduce risk. On working from home or remote; its really up to company policy. Whether in the office or remote; I have always done my job such that if you can replace me with someone equal or better be my guest. If I don't lilke the culture whether it by in office or remote; its up to me to move and not try and change some CEO's opionion after they made their mind up. I think Covid taught us companies can get along remotely, but I think there is some old school CEO thinking that unless you can reach out and touch people you are not productive. All roles are not the same and so all working environments should not be the same. That said I think even Hybrid people are pushing it and causing more harm. They are showing 1 out of 2 mandatory days or 2 out of 4... I see it in mine and other companies. That happens and CEO's see the door swipe numbers and say screw it; play hardball and get them all back in 5 days a week.

During COVID they said we were doing an excellent job. Once they started pushing to get people back in the office they said we were not doing a good job and therefore, need to be back in the office. I asked a few times, why did they lie to us and tell us we were doing a good job if in fact we were not. I know a few people ruined it for the rest and still continue to do so. There are a few youngsters that will send in an email that they will be late coming into the office because they have to stop and get their hair cut or some other odd excuse.

 

[BHC Vic]

During COVID they said we were doing an excellent job. Once they started pushing to get people back int he office they said we were not doing a good job and therefore, need to be back in the office. I asked a few times, why did they lie to us and tell us we were doing a good job if in fact we were not. I know a few people ruined it for the rest and still continue to do so. There are a few youngsters that will send in an email that they will be late coming into the office because they have to stop and get their hair cut or some other odd excuse.

Dammit I’ve been needing a haircut for like 2 weeks now

 

[ChumpChange]

During COVID they said we were doing an excellent job. Once they started pushing to get people back int he office they said we were not doing a good job and therefore, need to be back in the office. I asked a few times, why did they lie to us and tell us we were doing a good job if in fact we were not. I know a few people ruined it for the rest and still continue to do so. There are a few youngsters that will send in an email that they will be late coming into the office because they have to stop and get their hair cut or some other odd excuse.

Yeah I was talking about a coworker last week and he said midday that he just got back from taking a quick 7 mile run. Maybe you should be working. For those people who think that is all about being productive when he’s working, he’s in sales. He could always be making more calls.

 

[rrrr]

Pretty much and you know a big company will do whatever to save money.

Making profit is why businesses exist. The crap over the last four years pushing "stakeholders" interests instead of returning value to shareholders is fortunately dying a well deserved death.

This is the typical nonsense put forth by the left:

Key Differences Between Stakeholders and Shareholders

1. Ownership and Investment

Shareholders: Have a financial investment in the company through ownership of shares. Their primary interest is the return on their investment.

Stakeholders: May or may not have a financial investment in the company. Their interest lies in how the company's actions impact them, either directly or indirectly.

2. Interests and Priorities

Shareholders: Focus on maximizing shareholder value, which includes stock price appreciation, dividends, and financial returns.

Stakeholders: Concerned with a broader range of issues, including job security, product quality, ethical business practices, and environmental impact.

3. Role in Corporate Governance

Shareholders: Play a direct role in corporate governance by voting on key issues and electing the board of directors.

Stakeholders: Influence corporate governance indirectly through advocacy, feedback, and the company’s commitment to corporate social responsibility (CSR).

4. Impact on Decision Making

Shareholders: Decisions are often driven by the goal of increasing shareholder value.

Stakeholders: Decisions consider the impact on various stakeholder groups, balancing financial performance with social and environmental considerations.