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BHC Vic

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how long does it usually take to get to journeyman?
It’s a 4 year program but you can get it done in 3. Technically a company can indenture your as a higher stage. So if they brought you in as let’s say a sixth period you could journey out in a year. There’s 8 periods. By the time you journey out doing the full program you have 32 college units.
 

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swctf.org
Swcarpenters.org

swctf.org will have the best info on signing up and the apprenticeship program
 

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California journeyman carpenters your total package is about 65 bucks an hour base. (Welders and foreman get more) I work over 2400 hours a year we are renegotiating our contract right now. July we take another dollar to your annuity and I don’t know what we are getting in the new contract I’ll find out next week at the delegates meeting
Our total package in So Cal is $77.64. Foremans rate is $4.75 extra. Contract is up again 9/1/21.
 

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Our total package in So Cal is $77.64. Foremans rate is $4.75 extra. Contract is up again 9/1/21.
That beats outs for sure. How’s your pension? For us a good year is 1800 hours and that’s a 100 dollar credit. Back in 08 that was good for a 200 hour credit. Supposedly we are 100% funded so our pension should be getting a little bump here shortly. I hope
 

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That beats outs for sure. How’s your pension? For us a good year is 1800 hours and that’s a 100 dollar credit. Back in 08 that was good for a 200 hour credit. Supposedly we are 100% funded so our pension should be getting a little bump here shortly. I hope
1600 hours for a pension credit. $110 a credit before 2005. We just got out of the red zone and have billions in the reserve. So they raised the credit to $135 for after 2005. Next year they may raise it again. Retirees get a 13th check. Good thing I waited to retire a few years. :)
 

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1600 hours for a pension credit. $110 a credit before 2005. We just got out of the red zone and have billions in the reserve. So they raised the credit to $135 for after 2005. Next year they may raise it again. Retirees get a 13th check. Good thing I waited to retire a few years. :)
Our has never been out of the green zone. That’s why a lot of members are pissed.

rumor is they are going to retro pay the years to 200. Lots of guys waiting on that to retire
 
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is it years or hours ( I thought I saw hours somewhere here), and what are wages during apprenticeship? how do I find an apprenticeship?
There are ways around apprenticeships if you have prior skills/experience. I've sponsored people into the Laborers union at multiple contractors for people that have proven work ethic/drive and prior work experience. The deal there is, they have to work 2 full years (based on hours) for the sponsoring contractor before they can work anywhere else, and no hours worked for me counts towards anything if you leave and go work for another company. We sponsor many welders into Laborers union as journeymen.

You would be surprised how low the wages are for a skilled welder as a laborer in SoCal. Right at $40/hr straight time. All of our guys have rigs and get rig pay on top of wages (they supply their own fuel, equipment, and consumables on most jobs), they also get per-diem and travel time pay when working out of town. Like I said earlier, you don't get rich working hourly. Guys have to love the work and be willing to travel a lot. They do make a ton on overtime pay throughout the year as we do lots of shut downs that are 12+hr shifts and work through weekends, otherwise it wouldn't be worth it if we were strictly working them 8's.

Don't know your age or your experience, but you articulate like someone older than what I would envision an "apprentice" if we are talking laborers union. I've had 50 and 60 year old apprentices before out of the laborers, it was painful to see and in my opinion reflected poorly on the union as they could not physically handle what an apprentice was useful for in our trade. Unfortunately you cannot discriminate based on age, so you just hope that they say uncle after a couple days of grueling labor in the heat. You feel for them, but they signed up for a young able body man's job. I could see going through an IBEW apprenticeship as an older adult, I feel like there are far more opportunities in that union/trade that require more brains than braun.
 

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There are ways around apprenticeships if you have prior skills/experience. I've sponsored people into the Laborers union at multiple contractors for people that have proven work ethic/drive and prior work experience. The deal there is, they have to work 2 full years (based on hours) for the sponsoring contractor before they can work anywhere else, and no hours worked for me counts towards anything if you leave and go work for another company. We sponsor many welders into Laborers union as journeymen.

You would be surprised how low the wages are for a skilled welder as a laborer in SoCal. Right at $40/hr straight time. All of our guys have rigs and get rig pay on top of wages (they supply their own fuel, equipment, and consumables on most jobs), they also get per-diem and travel time pay when working out of town. Like I said earlier, you don't get rich working hourly. Guys have to love the work and be willing to travel a lot. They do make a ton on overtime pay throughout the year as we do lots of shut downs that are 12+hr shifts and work through weekends, otherwise it wouldn't be worth it if we were strictly working them 8's.

Don't know your age or your experience, but you articulate like someone older than what I would envision an "apprentice" if we are talking laborers union. I've had 50 and 60 year old apprentices before out of the laborers, it was painful to see and in my opinion reflected poorly on the union as they could not physically handle what an apprentice was useful for in our trade. Unfortunately you cannot discriminate based on age, so you just hope that they say uncle after a couple days of grueling labor in the heat. You feel for them, but they signed up for a young able body man's job. I could see going through an IBEW apprenticeship as an older adult, I feel like there are far more opportunities in that union/trade that require more brains than braun.
thanks very much for the advice, reply, and perspective. it is kind of you to take time to consider all those perspectives.

I am always open to opportunity, and I have honestly been interested in welding art, particularly from scrap.

but you are right, I am post-employed, aging in place, enjoying some good banter with this group.

I would not want to somehow displace a young person a desired place or career, so I would have to resolve that part of my interest, maybe by doing everything pro bono or something.

I am exceptionally durable for my age, and regularly used to enjoy the 120 degree afternoons at Lake Mead. no sunscreen :) but that was a few years back and you could well be spot on...

I am in awe of skilled welding. dang. making things out of metal would be a gas! done right, has near infinite lifetime. wow.
 

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thanks very much for the advice, reply, and perspective. it is kind of you to take time to consider all those perspectives.

I am always open to opportunity, and I have honestly been interested in welding art, particularly from scrap.

but you are right, I am post-employed, aging in place, enjoying some good banter with this group.

I would not want to somehow displace a young person a desired place or career, so I would have to resolve that part of my interest, maybe by doing everything pro bono or something.

I am exceptionally durable for my age, and regularly used to enjoy the 120 degree afternoons at Lake Mead. no sunscreen :) but that was a few years back and you could well be spot on...

I am in awe of skilled welding. dang. making things out of metal would be a gas! done right, has near infinite lifetime. wow.
I’m telling you, study the code book, get your cwi, you’d be perfect
 

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My pops did 25+ years in local 636 glaziers union, can probably say he has swung on the side of just about every high rise in LA. Taught welding school for many years, ended up retiring with almost nothing since the 636 union pension fund was gone by some prick who committed pension fraud.
 

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My pops did 25+ years in local 636 glaziers union, can probably say he has swung on the side of just about every high rise in LA. Taught welding school for many years, ended up retiring with almost nothing since the 636 union pension fund was gone by some prick who committed pension fraud.
o_O That sucks.. How long ago did this happen. L.U. 636 is still going with a total package of $70 a hour. Most pensions have a committee that manages the pension. Not one person.
 

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Rumor is we will absorb the glaziers eventually. That’s the one good thing about our pension. Yea it’s not the highest but it’s guaranteed to be there. That why we’ve never been out of the green
 

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retired from the railroad as a welder.went in the army in 74 as a welder. hard way to make a living repairing rr cars. xray certified and dont miss it one fkn bit. more scars from burns than i care to remember.djing is way easier on the body and better looking scenery.lol
 

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o_O That sucks.. How long ago did this happen. L.U. 636 is still going with a total package of $70 a hour. Most pensions have a committee that manages the pension. Not one person.
Seems not that long ago but it has been awhile, i think he was told he would get a 1000 a month for 2 years few years ago and not sure after that, I don't' talk to him about it pretty sore subject. My brothers are still glazing and my nephew is a welder and doing a glazier apprenticeship currently. Yea the pension was taking over by a new group, people who embezzled it I think went to prison.
 
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