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I can't believe that I'm even writing this today, but I have to say how saddened I am to see what has become of this beautiful area in which I live. 30 years ago the worst thing you had to worry about was whether or not your cow was going to be tipped over by the local farm boys.

Slowly over the last 15 years Marijuana has crept into our society and even though it has been recently legalized essentially most cases prior to legalization were not prosecuted by the local district attorney. Slowly but surely more and more residents started growing their own patch in their yards till the smell of the growing weed becomes almost overpowering in the fall during the harvest.

During the month of October we hear of many incidents of farmers getting killed while defending their crops. Hunters getting shot at while looking for deer on public lands and gunfights becoming common place in residential neighborhoods where residents have been growing their 99 plants.

Here is where it almost becomes unbelievable. Three weeks ago during the early morning hours there were two home invasions committed in different neighborhoods by the same group of individuals. At the first home the owner and his family with small children were tied up and robbed. The owner of the home who was likely involved in the Marijuana trade was shot multiple times by the assailants.

At the second home the same thing happened except the owner was murdered by the assailants after his money and guns were stolen by the bad guys. The bad guys were captured in a neighboring county later the same morning and weirdly identified as felons from the East Coast.

Now this week a similar incident occurred, this time in the sleepy little town of Petaluma. Essentially 3 homes on the same street were all invaded at the same time by a group of 9 individuals demanding marijuana and cash. luckily with this incident nobody was severely hurt or killed. The bad guys were chased into Marin County and ultimately arrested. They were all from either North Carolina or Richmond Virginia.

This is what worries me about the legalization of Marijuana. You see the 3 homes that were invaded by these criminals were not in the Marijuana trade. The stupid criminals broke in to the wrong homes demanding cash and weed. These are not your garden variety criminals. Somebody is paying them to fly to California, supplying them with guns and flying them back to the east coast.

Marijuana is now legal here in California yet the violent nature of the crimes has only increased. The number of people applying for permits to sell weed is so low the local government is begging the criminals to apply for licenses and pay taxes, but once again nothing has changed.
 

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Its like the wild west up north. (think Humboldt and Mendocino counties) We stopped going up there to ride. Too many grow operations and shady characters. You can smell all the grow operations in the mountains as you ride around. You just have to go the other direction when you find one. I don't know my way around and "places to avoid" so how are we supposed to know what to avoid?

Not that it is any better east of here but slightly less problems and a few less shady characters.

I recently went to tour a property in Tahoe so I followed the map down a dirt road to look at an off the grid property. As I got down the dirt road I noticed the overwhelming "smell" of their product and what looked like a very shady operation on this lonely dirt road. I turned around because of that uneasy feeling I was getting and also having the wife and kids with me and only one shot gun. LOL The funny part was the realtor warned me later about that street being a marijuana grow central and how we should avoid it. Oh now you tell me.

Another time at Berryessa we were camping at the lake when a big group of cops showed up and waited at the launch ramp for their helicopter. Most with automatic weapons. The helicopter showed up with a huge bundle of weed they confiscated from a grow operation in the mountains. They loaded up their trucks and left. Another time we were parked on the road and two heavily armed masked cops dress in camo just walked out of the forest next to the road. We were like WTF?!!

The worst part is if we get caught carrying while riding then we are the bad guys. I only want to defend myself from all the tweakers and cartel grow operations. Jeeze
 

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Yup.

It might take a few years but I hope the legalization will take the wild west aspect of this away. Its a free for all now.

Plus these guys can't use banks to sell their product which causes them to carry large bundles of cash and making them a target.

Home invasion robberies scream cash inside the house, come rob me.
 

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Need to legalize it federally and let the states make their own laws on this.

No....I do not partake

I agree, but feel like pandora's box has already opened. Who is going to just say.. "Sure, I'll register as a pot grower and seller and pay 30% taxes and be subject to untold regulations on my previously untraceable, non regulated, and tax free, 100% cash business."

They are having trouble convincing some dispensaries to sign up with the state and go legit already. Because who is the state going to call to make the dispensaries comply?? The feds? LOL
 

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It was an underground economy before and will remain so for a while with no inducement to go legit.

The feds need to ease up a bit so the money can start flowing.
 

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But carry pepper spray and you get arrested.

Unfortunately Cali going to have to get a lot worse to get better. LOL I’m starting to get concerned just living next to it. Phoenix is becoming a turd quickly
 

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My opinion is that it doesn't matter how legal you make it people are still going to want to steal it from someone else. Unfortunately sometimes innocent people get put in the middle of these bad situations. Unless they make it illegal for private citizens to grow and enforce the law criminals will continue to do what they do best!
 

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Take a look at Colorado and it’s legalization.. what a complete cluster fuck. Huge grow houses that are protected by private para military crews..

All of it is done in cash, and now you have convoys of these private military escorting the cash around. (Welcome to Mexico)

And why all in cash? Lol.

Turns out they don’t want to pay taxes either.
 

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Its a cash business and that is why it is a rough business and dangerous.

Its the cash they carry that makes them a target. They are getting robbed because of the cash they carry. They are not accepting CC's yet.

These guys can't use a bank or CC's when they sell their product because the feds consider this business illegal. The feds more or less control banking. Ease upon the banking rules and they won't have to carry so much cash.

Some still won't go legit even if its legalized but that is their problem if they want to walk around with a target on their back.
 

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I kind of chuckle when I hear relatively straight laced people say they want to get into the weed business. LOL Silly yuppies. I don't think they realize how rough it is.

"I don't know who you think runs that business but I assure you its not the boy scouts"

LOL
 

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Its like the wild west up north. (think Humboldt and Mendocino counties) We stopped going up there to ride. Too many grow operations and shady characters. You can smell all the grow operations in the mountains as you ride around. You just have to go the other direction when you find one. I don't know my way around and "places to avoid" so how are we supposed to know what to avoid?

Not that it is any better east of here but slightly less problems and a few less shady characters.

I recently went to tour a property in Tahoe so I followed the map down a dirt road to look at an off the grid property. As I got down the dirt road I noticed the overwhelming "smell" of their product and what looked like a very shady operation on this lonely dirt road. I turned around because of that uneasy feeling I was getting and also having the wife and kids with me and only one shot gun. LOL The funny part was the realtor warned me later about that street being a marijuana grow central and how we should avoid it. Oh now you tell me.

Another time at Berryessa we were camping at the lake when a big group of cops showed up and waited at the launch ramp for their helicopter. Most with automatic weapons. The helicopter showed up with a huge bundle of weed they confiscated from a grow operation in the mountains. They loaded up their trucks and left. Another time we were parked on the road and two heavily armed masked cops dress in camo just walked out of the forest next to the road. We were like WTF?!!

The worst part is if we get caught carrying while riding then we are the bad guys. I only want to defend myself from all the tweakers and cartel grow operations. Jeeze
they also had a shootout and chase some guys back up into the hills just passed the first bridge back in the cove one guy got shot and not sure if they ever caught the other one...
 

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Good times.

Sounds like Antioch. LOL

they also had a shootout and chase some guys back up into the hills just passed the first bridge back in the cove one guy got shot and not sure if they ever caught the other one...
 

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I kind of chuckle when I hear relatively straight laced people say they want to get into the weed business. LOL Silly yuppies. I don't think they realize how rough it is.

"I don't know who you think runs that business but I assure you its not the boy scouts"

LOL

I know several members involved in it, and have some friends that are serious players in it. Remember those articles about the guy buying that entire town out in CA? Same guy also bought Vidal junction not that long ago. That’s a guy I know Abd have an occasional beer with named Larry.

Nobody I know that’s involved with it is what I’d call a hard core gangster. I don’t even think most of them carry, but I never cared to ask.
 

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I didn't mean them I meant those that are robbing them are dangerous.

Maybe he has people doing the work for him (investor)? Or maybe its a bit more rough up here? Dunno?

I would not get involved that I know for sure.

But then again I would never work the counter of a convenience store either if I owned one. LOL

I know several members involved in it, and have some friends that are serious players in it. Remember those articles about the guy buying that entire town out in CA? Same guy also bought Vidal junction not that long ago. That’s a guy I know Abd have an occasional beer with named Larry.

Nobody I know that’s involved with it is what I’d call a hard core gangster. I don’t even think most of them carry, but I never cared to ask.
 

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To me it's just another case of passing laws, but not enforcing them. Californians were sold a bill of goods in order to get pot legalization passed. Now it's legal but nobody wants to abide by the rules. Isn't it time for the state to come down hard on the law breakers.
 

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To me it's just another case of passing laws, but not enforcing them. Californians were sold a bill of goods in order to get pot legalization passed. Now it's legal but nobody wants to abide by the rules. Isn't it time for the state to come down hard on the law breakers.
The problem is each county and city in California gets to make its own rules/laws and no one knows what these laws are yet. In Kern county recreational pot is still against the law until the local politicians come up with a permit process which at this time they have no clue as to how to do it. The one side, that is against it is saying the other side is crooked and involved in the pot trade. So nothing happens and keeps it a street drug.
 

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To me it's just another case of passing laws, but not enforcing them. Californians were sold a bill of goods in order to get pot legalization passed. Now it's legal but nobody wants to abide by the rules. Isn't it time for the state to come down hard on the law breakers.

They are too busy building bullshit trains to nowhere and passing bs gun laws
 

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I can't believe that I'm even writing this today, but I have to say how saddened I am to see what has become of this beautiful area in which I live. 30 years ago the worst thing you had to worry about was whether or not your cow was going to be tipped over by the local farm boys.

Slowly over the last 15 years Marijuana has crept into our society and even though it has been recently legalized essentially most cases prior to legalization were not prosecuted by the local district attorney. Slowly but surely more and more residents started growing their own patch in their yards till the smell of the growing weed becomes almost overpowering in the fall during the harvest.

During the month of October we hear of many incidents of farmers getting killed while defending their crops. Hunters getting shot at while looking for deer on public lands and gunfights becoming common place in residential neighborhoods where residents have been growing their 99 plants.

Here is where it almost becomes unbelievable. Three weeks ago during the early morning hours there were two home invasions committed in different neighborhoods by the same group of individuals. At the first home the owner and his family with small children were tied up and robbed. The owner of the home who was likely involved in the Marijuana trade was shot multiple times by the assailants.

At the second home the same thing happened except the owner was murdered by the assailants after his money and guns were stolen by the bad guys. The bad guys were captured in a neighboring county later the same morning and weirdly identified as felons from the East Coast.

Now this week a similar incident occurred, this time in the sleepy little town of Petaluma. Essentially 3 homes on the same street were all invaded at the same time by a group of 9 individuals demanding marijuana and cash. luckily with this incident nobody was severely hurt or killed. The bad guys were chased into Marin County and ultimately arrested. They were all from either North Carolina or Richmond Virginia.

This is what worries me about the legalization of Marijuana. You see the 3 homes that were invaded by these criminals were not in the Marijuana trade. The stupid criminals broke in to the wrong homes demanding cash and weed. These are not your garden variety criminals. Somebody is paying them to fly to California, supplying them with guns and flying them back to the east coast.

Marijuana is now legal here in California yet the violent nature of the crimes has only increased. The number of people applying for permits to sell weed is so low the local government is begging the criminals to apply for licenses and pay taxes, but once again nothing has changed.

I’ve spent some time in Rohnert Park and Petaluma for work the past couple of years and there is a sense of the strange and crazy around. Out on the street at night and in the shopping malls, I see them. It’s beautiful up there in wine country but down in the cities along 101 there is an unwanted presence.
 

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Take a look at Colorado and it’s legalization.. what a complete cluster fuck. Huge grow houses that are protected by private para military crews..

All of it is done in cash, and now you have convoys of these private military escorting the cash around. (Welcome to Mexico)

And why all in cash? Lol.

Turns out they don’t want to pay taxes either.
How would you go about paying federal taxes on sales of a product that's federally illegal?
 

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How would you go about paying federal taxes on sales of a product that's federally illegal?

It was passed on the idea that it would pay state and local taxes.. how are they collecting those taxes in an all cash business? The answer is they aren’t.
 

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It was passed on the idea that it would pay state and local taxes.. how are they collecting those taxes in an all cash business? The answer is they aren’t.
I started googling to answer my own question, and it looks like the IRS does want them to pay taxes. Unfortunately, they are not able to deduct expenses because the business involves trafficking controlled substances.

I'm still reading the articles, but it looks like they do and it's not an all cash business.
 

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I started googling to answer my own question, and it looks like the IRS does want them to pay taxes. Unfortunately, they are not able to deduct expenses because the business involves trafficking controlled substances.

I'm still reading the articles, but it looks like they do and it's not an all cash business.

Everybody I know in that biz deals in all cash.. lol

Anyhow I can’t speak to the colorodo deal first hand because I am not from there.. I have read quite a few articles on it, and there was a really good Vice episode not that long ago that was really interesting to watch.
 

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For the short period of time we lived in Redding, we were afraid to leave our house. Nice area on the West side by the way. Didn't take long for my wife to say she was done and we headed back to SD area.
 

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Everybody I know in that biz deals in all cash.. lol

Anyhow I can’t speak to the colorodo deal first hand because I am not from there.. I have read quite a few articles on it, and there was a really good Vice episode not that long ago that was really interesting to watch.

I’ve been wondering about this. Commercial real estate where the shop is has been going through the roof on price. Growers are speculating and Richard (the shop owner) has been getting crazy offers on the properties. The article went on to mention that some of the dispensaries may get a shock and be in the red when they file. They can’t even deduct salaries. I’m guessing those that don’t pay will be getting a Capone-esque wake up call.
 

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LOL just because it legalized doesn’t mean things change.

Now the government and private growers are in the cartel shoes. Same crime, extortion, user problems and drive for power and money issues that corrupt society

But hey it’s for the schools and the kidos. [emoji23]
 
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One thing to note. Under IRS rules just because a business is otherwise illegal that doesn’t mean the income from it is not taxable. So failure to file a return on the weed business is technically tax evasion.

That’s why criminals deal in cash. Good luck proving what they were doing since there is no paper trail.

That is also why trafficking can result in charges of money laundering and tax evasion if they are not careful
 

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One thing to note. Under IRS rules just because a business is otherwise illegal that doesn’t mean the income from it is not taxable. So failure to file a return on the weed business is technically tax evasion.

That’s why criminals deal in cash. Good luck proving what they were doing since there is no paper trail.

That is also why trafficking can result in charges of money laundering and tax evasion if they are not careful

Historically, didn’t the feds often bust gangsters and crime syndicates on tax-related charges?


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Home invasions are just part of the game! Doesn't matter where you live if you're in it to win it you expect it.
 

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Take a look at Colorado and it’s legalization.. what a complete cluster fuck. Huge grow houses that are protected by private para military crews..

All of it is done in cash, and now you have convoys of these private military escorting the cash around. (Welcome to Mexico)

And why all in cash? Lol.

Turns out they don’t want to pay taxes either.

Why cash? Because MJ is still not legal federally so the banks won't touch any of the growers money.

DILGAF is right, the patchwork of state laws is making things worse. Legalize it.
 

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Home invasions are just part of the game! Doesn't matter where you live if you're in it to win it you expect it.
YEP;) from the street guys to the uppers eventually a few guys get hungry then someone is getting hit, they will clear out your trees and cash but in the end who are you gonna call...happens on every level of the drug game!!
 

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its kinda the same as alcohol was during prohibition period, except its not the feds knocking on the doors demanding the cash...yet.
 

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If they can't prove anything else they go after money laundering which is easier to prove. Followed by tax evasion which is harder to prove.

If they can tie the illegal movement of cash to someone that is laundering. Proving that cash was earned in an enterprise that someone controlled is much more difficult.

Bottom line criminals shouldn't be caught in the same place as their cash.

Historically, didn’t the feds often bust gangsters and crime syndicates on tax-related charges?


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So on the subject of home invasion and violent crime in general in California...
You can expect it to get much worse before anyone at the state level takes action to try to slow it down. Many years ago the voters of this state in a rare moment of clarity passed a law commonly known as "three strikes" the intent of which was to incarcerate those who have been proven through repeated crimes carrying the potential of violence or death, to prison...for a long time.
And it worked. Crooks who knew they are looking to go away for a long time backed their game down.

Believe me...every crook on the street with priors knew exactly where their score was in the strike package. I talked to lots of them and they would tell me all the time... then deals were done in court to offer pleas...a non strike felony, etc...to keep that count down. But because of the change our culture and other factors, including a booming population, there were a ton of people who bought state time, and a lot of it, because of this law...and crime rates went down.
And the prison population went up. And prisons cost money and don't fit with this states idea of a good place to spend money.
So, slowly at first, long standing crimes were pushed down from felony crimes to misdemeanors....you don't do state time for a misdemeanor. The state, then...put the loads back on the county jails. So the powers that be started going after three strikes, putting out bullshit stories of poor guy who was found with a single joint going to prison, etc...and the public pulled back on 3 strikes.
And these people who were once facing joint time for the next maor felony conviction of car theft, were now only looking at county time. And they knew it.
Now we have shifted a ton of former felonies to misdemeanors, and increased the number of plea packages to take a felony as a misdemeanor...trying like crazy to keep the feds off the states ass for not building more cells at the state level. The fine folks in Sacramento don't give a tinkers damn about the safety of the public, they only care about their seat in the big game of government, and funneling money where they want it to go. Which ain't into prisons. So they hatch this deal.
In the past few years they've pushed it even further.
Lets say your average career criminal, now coming out of actual state prison after a second stretch, for a violent crime in LA county, is on parole, for 3 years, and sees a state parole officer regularly. But, he is a career criminal, and the odds of rehabilitating him are near zero.
So he violates parole, a cop books him for what used to be 3056 PC into the county jail. He sits for 3-4 days, Gets his hand spanked a couple of times by his P.O. but then gets cut loose.
Then he really screws up, gets a new charge. 3056 is added.
Instead of being sent back to state prison to do his time for the violation, the state now forces the county to house him for the time incurred by the violation. The state again shifts the burden back to the county...and so the county eats the costs of the state charge.

This deal has cost the counties a fortune. And it wont' change until the public gets tired of it and wakes up and does something. Which, in this state, isn't going to happen. My prediction, which is already being played out...is that quality of life in general in this state will continue to drop, and that the drop will accelerate, and that at some point property values will begin to suffer, in some area they are already suffering. One of the bigger associated crimes up here has become water theft...believe it or not irrigation water isn't cheap, and these folks ain't big on paying for it...and it is easy to steal...until the ranchers down the line find their extremely expensive water isn't in the ditch, and the irrigation district finds their system has been breached and needs to be repaired, and the prices go up...and up...as in up 6% per year per unit for the next years according to the letter I got a year ago.
We all pay, one way or another, for the collapse of the culture.

I will just say a couple things about the weed deal in Ca.
It isn't going to get better. The current "legal" deal isn't the fix.
The last 7 homicides in this otherwise quiet county have been directly related to commercial weed. This isn't about "medical weed" or some dude growing a few plants for personal use, or you burning a joint with your wife on the back porch after work in the evening.
Nobody give a heck about that. Those 7 dead people...
This whole program is and always has been about big, big money. People after big money..it always will be..
I've seen the whole program, and that is just the truth. All the public relations games and all the other crap you hear is just that...crap. Obfuscation. This is not about you getting high on Friday night, or "medicine"...this is all about money.
Have at it folks, I know what I saw over 26 years...ya can't change it....
 

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So on the subject of home invasion and violent crime in general in California...
You can expect it to get much worse before anyone at the state level takes action to try to slow it down. Many years ago the voters of this state in a rare moment of clarity passed a law commonly known as "three strikes" the intent of which was to incarcerate those who have been proven through repeated crimes carrying the potential of violence or death, to prison...for a long time.
And it worked. Crooks who knew they are looking to go away for a long time backed their game down.

Believe me...every crook on the street with priors knew exactly where their score was in the strike package. I talked to lots of them and they would tell me all the time... then deals were done in court to offer pleas...a non strike felony, etc...to keep that count down. But because of the change our culture and other factors, including a booming population, there were a ton of people who bought state time, and a lot of it, because of this law...and crime rates went down.
And the prison population went up. And prisons cost money and don't fit with this states idea of a good place to spend money.
So, slowly at first, long standing crimes were pushed down from felony crimes to misdemeanors....you don't do state time for a misdemeanor. The state, then...put the loads back on the county jails. So the powers that be started going after three strikes, putting out bullshit stories of poor guy who was found with a single joint going to prison, etc...and the public pulled back on 3 strikes.
And these people who were once facing joint time for the next maor felony conviction of car theft, were now only looking at county time. And they knew it.
Now we have shifted a ton of former felonies to misdemeanors, and increased the number of plea packages to take a felony as a misdemeanor...trying like crazy to keep the feds off the states ass for not building more cells at the state level. The fine folks in Sacramento don't give a tinkers damn about the safety of the public, they only care about their seat in the big game of government, and funneling money where they want it to go. Which ain't into prisons. So they hatch this deal.
In the past few years they've pushed it even further.
Lets say your average career criminal, now coming out of actual state prison after a second stretch, for a violent crime in LA county, is on parole, for 3 years, and sees a state parole officer regularly. But, he is a career criminal, and the odds of rehabilitating him are near zero.
So he violates parole, a cop books him for what used to be 3056 PC into the county jail. He sits for 3-4 days, Gets his hand spanked a couple of times by his P.O. but then gets cut loose.
Then he really screws up, gets a new charge. 3056 is added.
Instead of being sent back to state prison to do his time for the violation, the state now forces the county to house him for the time incurred by the violation. The state again shifts the burden back to the county...and so the county eats the costs of the state charge.

This deal has cost the counties a fortune. And it wont' change until the public gets tired of it and wakes up and does something. Which, in this state, isn't going to happen. My prediction, which is already being played out...is that quality of life in general in this state will continue to drop, and that the drop will accelerate, and that at some point property values will begin to suffer, in some area they are already suffering. One of the bigger associated crimes up here has become water theft...believe it or not irrigation water isn't cheap, and these folks ain't big on paying for it...and it is easy to steal...until the ranchers down the line find their extremely expensive water isn't in the ditch, and the irrigation district finds their system has been breached and needs to be repaired, and the prices go up...and up...as in up 6% per year per unit for the next years according to the letter I got a year ago.
We all pay, one way or another, for the collapse of the culture.

I will just say a couple things about the weed deal in Ca.
It isn't going to get better. The current "legal" deal isn't the fix.
The last 7 homicides in this otherwise quiet county have been directly related to commercial weed. This isn't about "medical weed" or some dude growing a few plants for personal use, or you burning a joint with your wife on the back porch after work in the evening.
Nobody give a heck about that. Those 7 dead people...
This whole program is and always has been about big, big money. People after big money..it always will be..
I've seen the whole program, and that is just the truth. All the public relations games and all the other crap you hear is just that...crap. Obfuscation. This is not about you getting high on Friday night, or "medicine"...this is all about money.
Have at it folks, I know what I saw over 26 years...ya can't change it....


Spot on as usual, FB!
 
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