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Do they have to pay the CRIT Tax that the rest of us have to pay at Safeway?
Do they have to pay the CRIT Tax that the rest of us have to pay at Safeway?
A lot of statements, regarding Indians here are myths.
No. They all don't get checks every month, every year, or some not at all. What they might get are portions of the mineral, gas, oil leases, or money from the Tribal enterprises. The majority of tribes don't give ANYTHING, cash-wise, to their members.
No. They don't get free college. Some might get scholarships, that they apply for and have to qualify for them, just like everyone else. The individual Tribe might be the ones offering the scholarships, but they aren't "free", as the Tribe pays the tuition, fees and other costs.
No. They are not tax exempt. They pay all Federal Taxes, such as Income Taxes, they also pay state taxes (income, property and sales) on income received, property owned, and items bought off of their Reservation.
They are US citizens, so are able to vote, just like every other US citizen. The "Sovereign Immunity" is granted to the Tribal Government itself, not individual Indians. They can be sued just like anyone else. While the 15th Amendment to the Constitution granted all citizens the Right to Vote, regardless of race, it took a literal act of Congress (the Snyder Act) to give Indians that right. And even then some states still didn't allow it till fairly recently. Arizona didn't give it to them until 1948, when the AZ Supreme Court struck down a portion of the AZ Constitution that prevented them from voting.
My wife is a card carrying Cherokee Nation Citizen, as are my son and daughter. They pay all taxes, just like everyone else, and have received zero monetary benefits from the Tribe, or the Federal Government based on their status as Tribal Citizens. My son attended college, has two Bachelors Degrees and a Masters. We, and student loans, paid for every bit of it. No special student loan or pay-off programs. He makes payments every month, just like everyone else. Plus he worked all through College to help pay for it. The one benefit they DO get is Medical Care, but that must be provided by Indian Health Service facilities, or referred from there, in kind of a HMO system. Insurance pays the majority of those costs, with IHS covering any co-pays or deductibles, as long as care is provided by them. If care is obtained out of the system, they pay like everyone else. As far as my wife is concerned, as she's now on MEDICARE and my TRICARE, she wouldn't pay anything anyway. And my kids live too far from any IHS facility, for it to be practical.
When I worked for a bank near a casino/res they came in with their checks every month for 10k plus but still ran out before the end of the month and started bouncing checks every month.That may be so for CRIT, but I am personally aware and have seen the Program called Head Start and in the Summer the younger ones, go to Movies Free, Eat Free Bowl Free. Yes they might have to Qualify, but Education is FREE.
Unless these Programs ENDEDin the Past couple of years, and I am very confident they have NOT, they are still in effect. I do not know where the Monthly Checks come from, but a good friend who does work at a Wells Fargo back there can verify the like Clock Work cashing of Monthly Checks for them.
i honestly do not care, as it is going to continue one way or another, my only Bitch is they do have every opportunity to be such a tremendous SUCCESS, and they for what ever reason do not.
A lot of statements, regarding Indians here are myths.
No. They all don't get checks every month, every year, or some not at all. What they might get are portions of the mineral, gas, oil leases, or money from the Tribal enterprises. The majority of tribes don't give ANYTHING, cash-wise, to their members.
No. They don't get free college. Some might get scholarships, that they apply for and have to qualify for them, just like everyone else. The individual Tribe might be the ones offering the scholarships, but they aren't "free", as the Tribe pays the tuition, fees and other costs.
No. They are not tax exempt. They pay all Federal Taxes, such as Income Taxes, they also pay state taxes (income, property and sales) on income received, property owned, and items bought off of their Reservation.
They are US citizens, so are able to vote, just like every other US citizen. The "Sovereign Immunity" is granted to the Tribal Government itself, not individual Indians. They can be sued just like anyone else. While the 15th Amendment to the Constitution granted all citizens the Right to Vote, regardless of race, it took a literal act of Congress (the Snyder Act) to give Indians that right. And even then some states still didn't allow it till fairly recently. Arizona didn't give it to them until 1948, when the AZ Supreme Court struck down a portion of the AZ Constitution that prevented them from voting.
My wife is a card carrying Cherokee Nation Citizen, as are my son and daughter. They pay all taxes, just like everyone else, and have received zero monetary benefits from the Tribe, or the Federal Government based on their status as Tribal Citizens. My son attended college, has two Bachelors Degrees and a Masters. We, and student loans, paid for every bit of it. No special student loan or pay-off programs. He makes payments every month, just like everyone else. Plus he worked all through College to help pay for it. The one benefit they DO get is Medical Care, but that must be provided by Indian Health Service facilities, or referred from there, in kind of a HMO system. Insurance pays the majority of those costs, with IHS covering any co-pays or deductibles, as long as care is provided by them. If care is obtained out of the system, they pay like everyone else. As far as my wife is concerned, as she's now on MEDICARE and my TRICARE, she wouldn't pay anything anyway. And my kids live too far from any IHS facility, for it to be practical.
Appreciate the insight.
When you get into Native Americans kicking people out of their homes and assuming property etc. Are the individuals (Tribe LEO etc) protected because of the sovereign nation?
Where did the stigma come from that “you shouldn’t even bother going to tribal court”. From your post it seems like no one is above the law.
Are these all big fish stories or do some have merit?
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If you read the article I posted, you'll see the stories have merit.
Ask the folks that HAD places at Red Rooster.
I heard recently...
Big River is owned by the BLM, but run by the indians!
The BLM lease to the indians is up in eight years, but there is no agreement in place, yet.
Now this part I'm fuzzy on...
There is a school in Big River that was built awhile back. Something about the indians cut the power to it, so its standing there empty.
Part of the new lease agreement is the indians have to get the school up and running?
Gonna be interesting to see how this deal plays out...
When I worked for a bank near a casino/res they came in with their checks every month for 10k plus but still ran out before the end of the month and started bouncing checks every month.
Read the article.
Many questions but let’s start with.
How can they have Edison cut power and have the sewers shut off? You’re making payments as a “tenant”. How can the “landlord” just say fuck you.
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From what I read a few months after the tax passed was that the CRIT members were pissed at the CRIT leaders for passing the tax, supposedly no heads up.Do they have to pay the CRIT Tax that the rest of us have to pay at Safeway?
Big River IS CRIT land. Now when I say "CRIT LAND", it doesn't mean that they "own" it. Indians Tribes do not own land, other than land that they have bought OFF of their Reservations. Indian Reservations are United States Government owned land, that is held in Trust for a particular Indian Tribe or group of Tribes. The Big River portion of the CRIT Reservation (and north) is in the Congressional act that determined the Reservation boundaries.
In the case of the Colorado River Indian Tribes land north of Blythe and south of Lost Lake, IN CALIFORNIA, there is a difference of opinion on whether land west of the Colorado River is Reservation Trust land or not. The Colorado River was deemed to be the western border of the Reservation. However, the River has changed course several times since the Res was established, and it's unresolved whether the declaration forming the Res was based on the River's course at the time of declaration (1860s) or of the historical course of the River, which would have been up against the mountains west of the River.
No court has been able to determine the answer, due to CRIT declaring Sovereign Immunity at the court hearings. And Congress would have to act to set the tribal boundaries, which they have so far, failed to do.
Look at what's happening in Oklahoma, right now. The Supreme Court, last year, declared that all Indian Reservations in Oklahoma that were "disestablished" upon Oklahoma Statehood, ARE STILL Reservations. This came about from a criminal case where the State convicted an Indian, and it was appealed due to the fact that the crime and Indian were in "Indian Country" and the Supreme Court declared that once the Indian Reservations were established, they could not be disestablished. So now, about 2/3 of Oklahoma have reverted to Indian Reservation(s).
no politician in the immediate future will deal with the whole "west bank" issue...there has been lawyers hired from Water Wheel and Hidden Valley etc that have tried to plea the case, but the topic has been too hot for any politician to get behind...stealing more land from Native Americans? sounds like political suicide to me....Big River IS CRIT land. Now when I say "CRIT LAND", it doesn't mean that they "own" it. Indians Tribes do not own land, other than land that they have bought OFF of their Reservations. Indian Reservations are United States Government owned land, that is held in Trust for a particular Indian Tribe or group of Tribes. The Big River portion of the CRIT Reservation (and north) is in the Congressional act that determined the Reservation boundaries.
In the case of the Colorado River Indian Tribes land north of Blythe and south of Lost Lake, IN CALIFORNIA, there is a difference of opinion on whether land west of the Colorado River is Reservation Trust land or not. The Colorado River was deemed to be the western border of the Reservation. However, the River has changed course several times since the Res was established, and it's unresolved whether the declaration forming the Res was based on the River's course at the time of declaration (1860s) or of the historical course of the River, which would have been up against the mountains west of the River.
No court has been able to determine the answer, due to CRIT declaring Sovereign Immunity at the court hearings. And Congress would have to act to set the tribal boundaries, which they have so far, failed to do.
Look at what's happening in Oklahoma, right now. The Supreme Court, last year, declared that all Indian Reservations in Oklahoma that were "disestablished" upon Oklahoma Statehood, ARE STILL Reservations. This came about from a criminal case where the State convicted an Indian, and it was appealed due to the fact that the crime and Indian were in "Indian Country" and the Supreme Court declared that once the Indian Reservations were established, they could not be disestablished. So now, about 2/3 of Oklahoma have reverted to Indian Reservation(s).
Head Start is a Pre-Kindergarten program for low income children ANYWHERE. It's not an Indian Program. It may seem like it, as they are located on just about every Reservation, and administered through the Tribe, but any and every low income area has Head Start available. The one here in Parker, while administered by CRIT, is open to any child/family that qualifies as low income.
The deal with the Big River School has nothing to do with CRIT, itself. Since the school is built on a non-reservation plot, BIA Power, which provides all power on the Res, is prevented from supplying power, due to Federal Law. And SOCAL Edison won't pay to put in the required new lines, and Needles School District doesn't want to pay to provide it. Plus with the California and Federal EPA preemption for any new septic systems, Needles School District or the State would have to build a new sewage treatment plant for the School.
So it's in limbo for the time being, but the CRIT Tribe has nothing to do with it.