California officials install devices to limit water flow at homes that use too much

[MK1MOD0]

Filled my pool for $30! It is cheaper then the chlorine I use. People like you sit in the cheap seats call People names. Let me hear your plan on how to conserve a short resource.

Wow. You sure do tow the socialist line real well. Ya see, this shit is right out of the socialist playbook. Heres how it works

they manufacture a shortage: Clean drinking water
Food
Housing
Fuel

Then raise the prices through the roof. Us peasants have to pay exorbitant prices to survive. Then they hit us with huge taxes and supply chain issues and soon, we are barely able to survive. Happens in every shithole socialist country in the world. Then they , the government, becomes your saving grace........... ask how it worked out in Cuba and Eastern Europe. The scary part is, millions of people , just like you, have no idea that they have already been brainwashed.
They are building millions of new homes in the west, but yet they want us peasants to not. Use water. Fuck them.
Build new infrastructure before ya build 1 god damn new housing development. That’s how ya fix the problem. If people still had brains, we would , as a population, demand they fix this shit NOW.

 

[530RL]

To put it into a relatable number, just irrigating almonds uses the same amount of water as 4-6 million households. 1.2 trillion gallons equals about 4 million acre-feet of water. The average household uses between 1/2 and 1 acre-foot of water per year.

In parts of metropolitan Phoenix where irrigation is available, homeowners get an acre foot of water every 14 days in the summer and every 30 days in the winter for every acre to flood their property and water their yard.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

I have always said just triple the price and people will conserve.

Hasnt really worked for Fuel prices. If demand would drop, then supply would outstrip demand and prices would drop. But that clearly isnt happening.

 

[lbhsbz]

I honestly use about 120,000 gallons a month and it costs about 400 bucks a month. About 4,000 gallons a day not 50. Seems like there is an abundance of water based upon price?

So before we start taking away other peoples property rights maybe the market price should be a little higher on me and people like me who use a ton of water in order for market price forces to help us make market based decisions.

I get your point about growth. Phoenix would be a lot nicer place if all those people would not have moved here and built north of Indian school road and central avenue.

But I can’t argue for free markets and capitalism if I want to take away other peoples property rights.

As opposed to the government restricting people even more on what they can do with their property with more rules and regulations, making housing costs worse; I would respectfully suggest we give the invisible hand of free markets a try by raising prices on large users like myself. Dinner and drinks exceeds the cost of my green landscaping in the middle of a desert. That doesn’t sound like a shortage of water, it seems like a mis-pricing of a commodity

how the hell do you use 4000 gallons/day? My highest usage (have the bill in front of me) is about 480 gallons a day. Average for the last month is 194 gallons/day.

Do you grow Almonds?

 

[MK1MOD0]

I’ll just say something here, we in San Diego county were all asked to conserve water over ten years ago. And as a county we have. Individual usage is down. But what did the utilities do ......... you guessed it. They complained they were not selliing enough water and raised rates. Happened the same with power years ago. If anyone doesn’t understand this is being done on purpose, well, ya just will never understand the truth.

 

[was thatguy]

I’ve personally flow tested 1000’ water wells in S CA and especially in AZ to 1000 GPM for DAYS.
Shallower city wells in the Riverside/ Moreno Valley area to 600 GPM and well over 1/2 a million gallons total just for the flow tests.
16” - 20” casing and screens.
AZ is a floating desert. AZ is very good at reclamation as well. (No pun)
Phoenix and Tucson never stop drilling city wells. They cost about a million a pop typically and range from 900’ to about 1500’ tops.
The amount of water they produce is staggering.
The water reclamation area west of Tucson is amazing. There are a LOT of high producing city wells out in those gated areas that no one ever sees without access.
Can not count how many AG wells there are out in those almond fields in CA. I know how many I’ve done.
There is serious water underground.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I honestly use about 120,000 gallons a month and it costs about 400 bucks a month. About 4,000 gallons a day not 50. Seems like there is an abundance of water based upon price?

So before we start taking away other peoples property rights maybe the market price should be a little higher on me and people like me who use a ton of water in order for market price forces to help us make market based decisions.

I get your point about growth. Phoenix would be a lot nicer place if all those people would not have moved here and built north of Indian school road and central avenue.

But I can’t argue for free markets and capitalism if I want to take away other peoples property rights.

As opposed to the government restricting people even more on what they can do with their property with more rules and regulations, making housing costs worse; I would respectfully suggest we give the invisible hand of free markets a try by raising prices on large users like myself. Dinner and drinks exceeds the cost of my green landscaping in the middle of a desert. That doesn’t sound like a shortage of water, it seems like a mis-pricing of a commodity

My tenants In Havasu used 24k gallons one month and the bill was $250.

 

[was thatguy]

In parts of metropolitan Phoenix where irrigation is available, homeowners get an acre foot of water every 14 days in the summer and every 30 days in the winter for every acre to flood their property and water their yard.

Are you sure?
That’s 23,000 gallons of water a day. Plus or minus.
That’s equivalent of a typical high flowing 18” diameter city producer at a minimum of 900’ deep in the Phoenix area.
That seems like an extraordinarily high volume of water per acre…irrigation or not.

 

[530RL]

how the hell do you use 4000 gallons/day? My highest usage (have the bill in front of me) is about 480 gallons a day. Average for the last month is 194 gallons/day.

Do you grow Almonds?

Pretzels.

The house meter is like most, about 7 or 8 thousand a month.

The landscape meter Is the balance.

Edit for some math:

Yards in Arizona need about one inch of water per week to maintain. Higher in the summer, lower in the winter unless one plants winter grass. That assumes no evaporation when sprinkling in 110 heat.

5,000 feet of grass is about 3,117 gallons of water per week or 162,084 gallons per year. Many people have one acre yards or over 27,000 gallons of water per week or roughly 1.4 million gallons a year for one acre of grass.

Now add in household use, a pool, draining the pool of hard water every year, and a bunch of plants on a drip system and water use is very high.

That is how you get to 4,000 a day or higher.

 

[was thatguy]

Pretzels.

He’s shipping it to S Korea…

 

[LazyLavey]

Cali could learn a lesson from AZ...

Stop landscaping the f'n freeways with shrubs and trees..... They just end up dying and catch every plastic bag that blows nearby...

Instead use hardscape or aggregate...I realize it's initially more $$$ but I'd bet in the long run it may be cost effective

Ok, I get it....... in L.A. County its because we need someplace for the felons sentenced to community service to pick up trash and trim shrubs...lol

 

[Wizard29]

I honestly use about 120,000 gallons a month and it costs about 400 bucks a month. About 4,000 gallons a day not 50. Seems like there is an abundance of water based upon price?

So before we start taking away other peoples property rights maybe the market price should be a little higher on me and people like me who use a ton of water in order for market price forces to help us make market based decisions.

I get your point about growth. Phoenix would be a lot nicer place if all those people would not have moved here and built north of Indian school road and central avenue.

But I can’t argue for free markets and capitalism if I want to take away other peoples property rights.

As opposed to the government restricting people even more on what they can do with their property with more rules and regulations, making housing costs worse; I would respectfully suggest we give the invisible hand of free markets a try by raising prices on large users like myself. Dinner and drinks exceeds the cost of my green landscaping in the middle of a desert. That doesn’t sound like a shortage of water, it seems like a mis-pricing of a commodity

So basically what you are suggesting is eventually only the rich can pay for water and those who aren't rich don't get any?

Next you'll say, "No, I mean just charge the higher users a higher price." Two issues with that:

1) What happens when the price for you as a "high user" eventually exceeds the amount you are able to pay?

2) Charge the "high users" all you want, but if you keep adding more and more demand from more and more regular users, eventually the regular users become so many that they exceed the supply, regardless of what you charge the "high users". Now maybe the threshold for what a "high user" is gets lowered and prices go up for everybody to the point where only the richest can afford it. More likely the restrictions come on how much a person is allowed to use, which is what we're starting to see today.

So then you get told you can only use so much no matter what...which takes me back to my previous question: Where do you draw the line on being told how much you can use per day?

Your perspective on letting the free market decide is fine in theory, but you know that's not reality. Water is a life necessity and our government will not simply let the rich get it when others don't because of an ability to pay. The free market angle is not a solution.

The real solution here is to cut the overall demand when there is a finite supply that is being strained. What you are suggesting isn't viable long term and you know it. Try thinking ten steps ahead on this instead of two.

And by the way, in CA which has this whole "sanctuary state" BS going on, changing that and discouraging illegals to come here (one component of the demand reduction strategy) has nothing to do with property rights. It has everything to do with keeping people who don't belong here in the first place from drawing on our resources and taking advantage of a system legal citizens have paid for.

 

[530RL]

So basically what you are suggesting is eventually only the rich can pay for water and those who aren't rich don't get any?

Next you'll say, "No, I mean just charge the higher users a higher price." Two issues with that:

1) What happens when the price for you as a "high user" eventually exceeds the amount you are able to pay?

2) Charge the "high users" all you want, but if you keep adding more and more demand from more and more regular users, eventually the regular users become so many that they exceed the supply, regardless of what you charge the "high users". Now maybe the threshold for what a "high user" is gets lowered and prices go up for everybody to the point where only the richest can afford it. More likely the restrictions come on how much a person is allowed to use, which is what we're starting to see today.

So then you get told you can only use so much no matter what...which takes me back to my previous question: Where do you draw the line on being told how much you can use per day?

Your perspective on letting the free market decide is fine in theory, but you know that's not reality. Water is a life necessity and our government will not simply let the rich get it when others don't because of an ability to pay. The free market angle is not a solution.

The real solution here is to cut the overall demand when there is a finite supply that is being strained. What you are suggesting isn't viable long term and you know it. Try thinking ten steps ahead on this instead of two.

And by the way, in CA which has this whole "sanctuary state" BS going on, changing that and discouraging illegals to come here (one component of the demand reduction strategy) has nothing to do with property rights. It has everything to do with keeping people who don't belong here in the first place from drawing on our resources and taking advantage of a system legal citizens have paid for.

Sounds like we’re fucked.

I’m going to go water my yard.

 

[EmpirE231]

Deport illegal immigrants = water shortage solved. Next problem please.

 

[CarolynandBob]

Is there some reason you cannot build a pipeline from the Columbia River to Lake Powell? The outflow of the Colombia to the ocean is huge. Someone smarter than me will have to do the math on how much you could take and what size pipe you would need.

I know the guberment won't fix it on their own, but what about a ballot intuitive? Just throwing out ideas.

 

[bocco]

80% of the water supply is used before it even gets to residential customers.... Limiting the 20% won't do shit.

This ^^^^^^^

 

[Boat 405]

My tenants In Havasu used 24k gallons one month and the bill was $250.

How??? My pool only holds 13,500. You’d have to have a hose running 24/7 to use that much water.

 

[TCHB]

So you must agree with this administration's approach to the current fuel price situation?

Fuel prices are based in a world market. It is supply and demand just like new Vette!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

How??? My pool only holds 13,500. You’d have to have a hose running 24/7 to use that much water.

They probably did.

 

[jet496]

I’ve personally flow tested 1000’ water wells in S CA and especially in AZ to 1000 GPM for DAYS.
Shallower city wells in the Riverside/ Moreno Valley area to 600 GPM and well over 1/2 a million gallons total just for the flow tests.
16” - 20” casing and screens.
AZ is a floating desert. AZ is very good at reclamation as well. (No pun)
Phoenix and Tucson never stop drilling city wells. They cost about a million a pop typically and range from 900’ to about 1500’ tops.
The amount of water they produce is staggering.
The water reclamation area west of Tucson is amazing. There are a LOT of high producing city wells out in those gated areas that no one ever sees without access.
Can not count how many AG wells there are out in those almond fields in CA. I know how many I’ve done.
There is serious water underground.

I'm surprised wells are not discussed more here in CA. The world has the same amount of water as it had when it was mostly an ocean. Where did it go? It doesn't leave our earth or through the atmosphere so it goes underground. Wells are the solution for reintroducing water that would otherwise be lost forever IMO.

 

[TCHB]

Is there some reason you cannot build a pipeline from the Columbia River to Lake Powell? The outflow of the Colombia to the ocean is huge. Someone smarter than me will have to do the math on how much you could take and what size pipe you would need.

I know the guberment won't fix it on their own, but what about a ballot intuitive? Just throwing out ideas.

So you must agree with this administration's approach to the current fuel price situation?

My tenants In Havasu used 24k gallons one month and the bill was $250.

My highest bill in Havasu was $88. We installed a irrigation meter for all outside water.

 

[Boat 405]

They probably did.

Dang....

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Dang....

She was trying to grow plants in the back yard.

 

[TCHB]

Deport illegal immigrants = water shortage solved. Next problem please

Hasnt really worked for Fuel prices. If demand would drop, then supply would outstrip demand and prices would drop. But that clearly isnt happening.

Not high enough yet. Exxon was losing money during the early days of the pandemic but know stock doubled along with other oil companies

 

[brgrcru]

No worries
The government will be here to fix it.
In 3000000000000000000000…..2,1.

 

[angiebaby]

I’m gonna say it one last time…
A “boarder” is a person who rents a room and eats meals, or boards a vessel.

A “border” is a geographical line between 2 countries or states.

That is all.

Thank you.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I’m gonna say it one last time…
A “boarder” is a person who rents a room and eats meals, or boards a vessel.

A “border” is a geographical line between 2 countries or states.

That is all.

I crossed the CA nation-state’s boarder to sale my Cummings powered RAM on tires that have 25% thread last week.

 

[DrunkenSailor]

It's not that we don't want more people in California. It's that we are demanding infrastructure be put in place to support the population. California has the highest taxes in the country and we worry about basic necessarilies like water and electricity while having the largest budget surplus in history. The state has been grossly mismanages and the priorities of those in power do not match the needs of the population.

 

[TCHB]

 

[Sherpa]

I'm SOOO glad someone else posted the Saudi water user farm operation. this crap is also in Northern Calif too. look up HAY KINGDOM. it's on I505.

sounds like nobody here farms almonds...

but alot of people don't see other big water users:L I'll help.

WATER COOLING TOWERS FOR COMMERICAL BUILDINGS.... THINK: HUGER-THAN HUGE EVAPORATOR. YEP. USES WATER TO COOL WATER. a 50 ton tower
can burn through 10,000 a day. just 1 tower.

think big ass golfcourses........ alot of guys here golf. you should all stop.

Then there are the real problem water wasters. some of the big water control boards. that let everything out down the river to flow into the ocean. yep. i said it.,

lets build more houses in the desert. more golf courses in vegas.

has anyone every let their pool kind of "get away from them" for chemicals? it's MUCH cheaper to drain that pig and clean then refill it than it is to use more
chemicals to treat it. comeawn.

stop blaming the shortages on almond growers.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I'm SOOO glad someone else posted the Saudi water user farm operation. this crap is also in Northern Calif too. look up HAY KINGDOM. it's on I505.

sounds like nobody here farms almonds...

but alot of people don't see other big water users:L I'll help.

WATER COOLING TOWERS FOR COMMERICAL BUILDINGS.... THINK: HUGER-THAN HUGE EVAPORATOR. YEP. USES WATER TO COOL WATER. a 50 ton tower
can burn through 10,000 a day. just 1 tower.

think big ass golfcourses........ alot of guys here golf. you should all stop.

Then there are the real problem water wasters. some of the big water control boards. that let everything out down the river to flow into the ocean. yep. i said it.,

lets build more houses in the desert. more golf courses in vegas.

has anyone every let their pool kind of "get away from them" for chemicals? it's MUCH cheaper to drain that pig and clean then refill it than it is to use more
chemicals to treat it. comeawn.

stop blaming the shortages on almond growers.

When residential use is less than 20%, and the state lets 40% of retained water go straight to the ocean, and another 40% goes to AG, it is hard to imagine the 20% (high estimate) of residential users saving 20% is gonna do anything.

The state has record surpluses, and spends nothing on retaining water. Every drop of rain So Cal gets goes right to the ocean.

 

[Taboma]

The same Saudi conglomerate dairy cow feed farmers have bought up huge acreages in Blythe and various Arizona counties as well. These include both Mohave and La Paz, taking a heavy toll on those aquifers.
Kingman residents, including those of us at higher elevations with wells, are screaming at the state and it falls on deaf ears, while they consider commissioning a hydrological survey. Our wells will be dry by then.
Now, on top of the cow food growers it's the nut growers planting just a few trees.

" Peacock Nuts, a consortium that includes the largest permanent crop nursery in the United States, has even bigger plans: 4,500 acres and as many as 650,000 pistachio trees.

“There’s no way we have enough water to be able to handle that,” Cobb said.

In Kingman, as in most of rural Arizona, there are no rules on groundwater pumping. As long as you get a permit, you can drill a well of any size for any purpose as long as it’s for a beneficial use. Agriculture easily qualifies, even if the crops are shipped out of state for profit. "

You think AZ Gov gives a shit about you being able to take a shower --- No, but if you plant a few Nut Trees or Cow Food you can use all the water you want apparently.

These 7 industrial farm operations are draining Arizona's aquifers, and no one knows exactly how much they're taking

Investment funds and out-of-state companies have bought giant farms in the state. They're drilling deep wells to follow the water as aquifers decline.

www.azcentral.com

 

[SoCalDave]

WATER COOLING TOWERS FOR COMMERICAL BUILDINGS.... THINK: HUGER-THAN HUGE EVAPORATOR. YEP. USES WATER TO COOL WATER. a 50 ton tower
can burn through 10,000 a day. just 1 tower.

Yeah we have two 250 ton Marley Aqua towers and the evaporation rate is staggering.

 

[RogerThat99]

I'm surprised wells are not discussed more here in CA. The world has the same amount of water as it had when it was mostly an ocean. Where did it go? It doesn't leave our earth or through the atmosphere so it goes underground. Wells are the solution for reintroducing water that would otherwise be lost forever IMO.

I thought I heard California was going to require water meters on all new wells, in order to monitor and possible charge for the water. I will have to check with friends on well water. I know they pay a ton for electricity to PG&E for the 220 power to run the well, if they use a lot of water.

 

[TCHB]

Here in Henderson they are tearing grass out everywhere

 

[240Hallett]

I crossed the CA nation-state’s boarder to sale my Cummings powered RAM on tires that have 25% thread last week.

I seen what you did they’re.

 

[Bobby V]

BobboV is pissed.

Why??? We don't work on residential.

 

[was thatguy]

I crossed the CA nation-state’s boarder to sale my Cummings powered RAM on tires that have 25% thread last week.

 

[was thatguy]

I thought I heard California was going to require water meters on all new wells, in order to monitor and possible charge for the water. I will have to check with friends on well water. I know they pay a ton for electricity to PG&E for the 220 power to run the well, if they use a lot of water.

My well in Anderson was part of the cottonwood water basin.
I paid an annual county fee for my water, but it was not metered.
All the houses in that area, including ranchers and orchard growers did the same.
I think the fee was calculated by whether residential, farming or livestock, and of course acreage.
Mine was a single 8” well with a grundfos downhole on 1” or 1 1/4” pipe to the switch/ pressure tank and then to the manifold I designed.
It also had a drop pipe to a 1 1/2” trash pump for field irrigation.
CA has an archaic water well Reg where home owners can not obtain well data from the water district records. Only the well driller can share the proprietary data.
So I had no idea how deep it was or where the pack off and submersible was set.
I didn’t really care because if it ever failed I’d have just yarded the shit out myself and logged it all.
Anyway, anyone with a well is already paying for the water rights unless they backyarded it and that’s highly unlikely in CA.

 

[BIGRED9158]

My lady left the hose in the front yard Cracked opened last week and I got a call from the water department telling me I have a leak how the fuck do they know I have a leak? Sure enough go out there and it’s my hose

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

My lady left the hose in the front yard Cracked opened last week and I got a call from the water department telling me I have a leak how the fuck do they know I have a leak? Sure enough go out there and it’s my hose

They have smart meters, or they read your meter and you had abnormal usage.