Carpenters union flyer

[RiverCruiser]

I have been in the carpenters union for 16 years. I don’t think I have agreed with their voting endorsements once. Not at all again this time either. Ridiculous.

 

[grumpy88]

Same thing in the elevator constructors union . They push the same bull shit !

 

[Waffles]

The one that shocked me the most was posted by a roughneck. Their local is shilling the same idiots that want to put them out of work...... how fucking dense do you have to be?

 

[RiverCruiser]

The sad part is members will just follow these recommendations without doing their own research.

 

[spectra3279]

The sad part is you pay for these guys to get kickbacks so they can push the liberal propaganda to you.



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[Bobby V]

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I have been in the carpenters union for 16 years. I don’t think I have agreed with their voting endorsements once. Not at all again this time either. Ridiculous.

Just curious why you don’t like No on 22 and what’s wrong with Ruben Valencia for Ontario City Council?

 

[TITTIES AND BEER]

If they only had a Brain

 

[Bobby V]

Where’s @BHC Vic to chime in.

 

[Flyinbowtie]

My Dad was in the machinists union for 26 years, retired in 1977. They shoved this stuff at him even back then, but back then the democrat party was a much different animal than it is today. It was still wrong, but not like it is.
He was not pleased when I registered as a Republican when I turned 18, however, when Ronaldus Magnus ran for president Dad had seen the light after being shafted by the union when he was forced to retire early after a heart attack. I took him and my Mom to Republican party HQ to change their party affiliation. The Peanut Farmer's disastrous tour convinced him I was right, the number by the union was the final straw.
"Son, my party left me, it is something other than what it was"
Were he alive today he would be stunned to see how far it has fallen.

 

[BHC Vic]

I understand why for sure.

Where’s @BHC Vic to chime in.

I’m a delegate for that local

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Just curious why you don’t like No on 22 and what’s wrong with Ruben Valencia for Ontario City Council?

They want no on 22 to try to unionize all the rideshare drivers, and anyone else that wants to be in independent contractor. Of which there will be none anyway if you vote no on 22 because rideshare will pack up their things and leave the state

The majority of the rideshare drivers want to remain as independent contractors.

 

[BHC Vic]

They want no on 22 to try to unionize all the rideshare drivers, and anyone else that wants to be in independent contractor. Of which there will be none anyway if you vote no on 22 because rideshare will pack up their things and leave the state

The majority of the rideshare drivers want to remain as independent contractors.

I’ll get more info but this is a really big one that would hurt us for a few reasons but I forget the specifics. I know there was a video on it though. Our union is very divided tight now when it comes to politics. About 50 50

 

[Big B Hova]

I’ll get more info but this is a really big one that would hurt us for a few reasons but I forget the specifics. I know there was a video on it though. Our union is very divided tight now when it comes to politics. About 50 50

Big time. Especially when the head of our union keeps posting #ftp2020 and shit talking the current president on a daily basis. That's how you divide poeple!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I’ll get more info but this is a really big one that would hurt us for a few reasons but I forget the specifics. I know there was a video on it though. Our union is very divided tight now when it comes to politics. About 50 50

It is about app based rideshare workers specifically but has broader reach. The only damage it does to unions is that it gives you (unions) fewer people to unionize. There is no other real impact to unions.

There was already a proposition from 2018 that is essentially held up in court that made all rideshare workers employees instead of contractors. Prop 22 reverses it and again allows rideshare workers to be classified as independent contractors, and also makes impersonating a rideshare worker a crime.

If a NO on 22 goes through, Uber and Lyft and most other app based workers will probably leave California because their business models cannot support "employees".

Say goodbye to app based babysitting, rideshare, food delivery, dog walking, etc.

 

[Big B Hova]

I have never followed the unions canadiates. One time I did was Jerry brown.... never again

 

[wishiknew]

or continue to drink the coolaid

 

[RiverCruiser]

Just curious why you don’t like No on 22 and what’s wrong with Ruben Valencia for Ontario City Council?

It’s the Biden, yes on 15, no on 22 mainly.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

And NO on Prop 15 (sorry @RodnJen ) NO on 25, and YES on 20 while you are at it.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I have never followed the unions canadiates. One time I did was Jerry brown.... never again

I like how they are telling you all to vote Yes on 15 to begin the process of dismantling your Prop 13 property tax protections..

 

[RiverCruiser]

And NO on Prop 15 (sorry @RodnJen ) NO on 25, and YES on 20 while you are at it.

Most definitely!

 

[BHC Vic]

It is about app based rideshare workers specifically but has broader reach. The only damage it does to unions is that it gives you (unions) fewer people to unionize. There is no other real impact to unions.

There was already a proposition from 2018 that is essentially held up in court that made all rideshare workers employees instead of contractors. Prop 22 reverses it and again allows rideshare workers to be classified as independent contractors, and also makes impersonating a rideshare worker a crime.

If a NO on 22 goes through, Uber and Lyft and most other app based workers will probably leave California because their business models cannot support "employees".

Say goodbye to app based babysitting, rideshare, food delivery, dog walking, etc.

It has something to do with taxes. I’ll get the info when I get home. Just got out of class

 

[BHC Vic]

I like how they are telling you all to vote Yes on 15 to begin the process of dismantling your Prop 13 property tax protections..

Nevermind I was way off. You’re pretty much right. It hurts union taxi drivers

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It has something to do with taxes. I’ll get the info when I get home. Just got out of class

There are a couple that deal with taxes (Prop 15) and rent controls (Prop 21).. vote NO.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Nevermind I was way off. You’re pretty much right. It hurts union taxi drivers

Well to be fair they are already hurt. Uber and Lyft have been around for awhile.

A NO on 22 would give Taxis a monopoly again, because Uber and Lyft will just cease operations in CA.

 

[traquer]

I look at all the political mail I get and it's insane how even after you read both arguments you still don't know what the hell is the actual law they're talking about. It's all FUD. Gotta read the prop wording and rules yourself.

 

[Waterjunky]

I generally look at my union recommendations as what not to do...... When in doubt, go against whatever they are promoting. It is truly rare for me to agree with them.

 

[Rayson1971]

Same here and Im Ibew local 11

 

[Havasu blue label]

Which carpenters union 1506 is joke still around like 42L

 

[Bigbore500r]

I have never followed the unions canadiates. One time I did was Jerry brown.... never again

You voted for Jerry Brown? You son of a Bitch! Wait....sorry mom

 

[rrrr]

And NO on Prop 15 (sorry @RodnJen ) NO on 25, and YES on 20 while you are at it.

Proposition 15 will affect everyone in the state negatively. The commercial interests affected will just raise prices to pay for what will be the largest tax increase in California history. It will raise rents significantly, impacting those in lower income levels the most and exacerbating dependence on the state, further increasing social costs that are already out of control.

The money will be used to further prop up unsustainable public pensions and reward political supporters like teacher's unions.

Vote yes and you're just shitting in your own nest.

 

[Luvnlife]

You voted for Jerry Brown? You son of a Bitch! Wait....sorry mom

Now that’s just fucking funny there


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[LuauLounge]

So, you own a car, you are still working, retired, unemployed, between jobs, etc.
Your wife sleeps in, you’re an early riser, wake up at1:00 am and can’t sleep.
Where else, can you decide I’m going to pick up a few bucks, on my terms and my schedule? Log in and you go to work, do it for a few hours and you’re done, log out. Last free enterprise that anyone can do, and they want to take it away. I’ve been a business owner and independent contractor for my entire life, not for everyone, but don’t take away something that works for a large cross section of people.

 

[LuauLounge]

Since I’m on a roll, where did they ever come up with bond issues? It’s like oh, we need 100 million to fix the roads, so we’ll call it a bond.
In case no one has figured it out, it’s a f...ing LOAN, that has to be paid back, but BOND sounds so much better.
Rant over

 

[bilz]

IBEW doing mostly the same.

 

[BHC Vic]

Which carpenters union 1506 is joke still around like 42L

1506 is gone and 42L has been a long time

 

[monkeyswrench]

Can I ask a politically union related question?
Why do unions back illegal immigration? The illegals won't normally go union. Always wondered this, even when Pops was doing the Local 36 stuff.

Pops was good with me voting Republican. Mom was not...
The way I saw it, the right wing people were the ones that paid me. If they did well, I did well...seems like voting for that made more sense than voting for people that wanted to take from the rich and give to the lazy.

 

[Bobby V]

Can I ask a politically union related question?
Why do unions back illegal immigration? The illegals won't normally go union. Always wondered this, even when Pops was doing the Local 36 stuff.

Pops was good with me voting Republican. Mom was not...
The way I saw it, the right wing people were the ones that paid me. If they did well, I did well...seems like voting for that made more sense than voting for people that wanted to take from the rich and give to the lazy.

I have never heard my union backing illegal immigration In my 38 years In the local.

 

[Havasu blue label]

what Local

 

[monkeyswrench]

I have never heard my union backing illegal immigration In my 38 years In the local.

SEIU in LA, and 36 the past 10 years as well, have openly supported such. Unions as a whole now back Dems, and Dems back open borders. It just seems counter productive.

 

[Bobby V]

SEIU in LA, and 36 the past 10 years as well, have openly supported such. Unions as a whole now back Dems, and Dems back open borders. It just seems counter productive.

I’m only around construction unions. A lot different then the SEIU and some of the other hotel, grocery store unions. They may support illegals. We are totally against it.

 

[monkeyswrench]

I’m only around construction unions. A lot different then the SEIU and some of the other hotel, grocery store unions. They may support illegals. We are totally against it.

Well, 36 is a construction local...roofers and water proofers...and they support illegals.
Talking with a guy from Operating Engineers, and they definitely back Dems...and Dems back illegals...

Your union may not directly back illegal immigration, but they back Dems...which in turn backs it for you and your "brothers". You can't say your union is "totally" against something, if they want you to vote for someone who acts to the contrary.

 

[RiverCruiser]

Which carpenters union 1506 is joke still around like 42L

Local 909. Used to be local 803 until they moved everything around and re numbered them to local area codes.

 

[94Nautique]

Nevermind I was way off. You’re pretty much right. It hurts union taxi drivers

Yep. BTW, how would it impact union taxi drivers? Other than removing the artificially high rates they charge. It looks like these apps help markets to get to equilibrium, which then helps all the consumers with lower prices. Price fixing is illegal and a hallmark of socialism.

 

[Royally PO'd]

barby doesn't have the ability to look beyond his tiny little kingdom and realize what fucking morons his compadres are. Their motto is " just because we are killing the country, doesn't make a difference that we vote democratic, just hit the fucking "d" and keep smiling !!!! Morons Marranos ....

 

[Bobby V]

BOBBY doesn't have the ability to look beyond his tiny little kingdom and realize what fucking morons his compadres are. Their motto is " just because we are killing the country, doesn't make a difference that we vote democratic, just hit the fucking "d" and keep smiling !!!! Morons Marranos ....

So when was the last time you didn't hit the "fucking (R)".

BTW..I kinda like my "Kingdom" lol

 

[Bobby V]

Well, 36 is a construction local...roofers and water proofers...and they support illegals.
Talking with a guy from Operating Engineers, and they definitely back Dems...and Dems back illegals...

Your union may not directly back illegal immigration, but they back Dems...which in turn backs it for you and your "brothers". You can't say your union is "totally" against something, if they want you to vote for someone who acts to the contrary.

Wow...Need some mustard with that logic...lol

 

[monkeyswrench]

Wow...Need some mustard with that logic...lol

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Wow, you really have been brainwashed. I believe in voting independently. I don't believe in voting a certain way because others tell me I should. If one doesn't see the connection, I'd say that is based more on "selective reality". By no means am I saying vote against Dems, I am just saying that backing Dems by default is backing illegal, pardon me, "un-documented" immigration. It's not my opinion, the Dems openly say they do. Before someone has the audacity to pull the "R" word, my Pops was mexican...and yes, even union.

I do find it funny though, the response. Some of the more "vocal" right wing guys here I've read say that if you get one of the "libs" backed into a corner with truth, they won't argue. They will just deflect. Never happened to me before. Then again, I'm not very bright.

 

[Bobby V]

Wow, you really have been brainwashed. I believe in voting independently. I don't believe in voting a certain way because others tell me I should. If one doesn't see the connection, I'd say that is based more on "selective reality". By no means am I saying vote against Dems, I am just saying that backing Dems by default is backing illegal, pardon me, "un-documented" immigration. It's not my opinion, the Dems openly say they do. Before someone has the audacity to pull the "R" word, my Pops was mexican...and yes, even union.

I do find it funny though, the response. Some of the more "vocal" right wing guys here I've read say that if you get one of the "libs" backed into a corner with truth, they won't argue. They will just deflect. Never happened to me before. Then again, I'm not very bright.

How was I backed into a corner? Like I said before in my 38 years in the UNION I have NEVER heard of anyone that supports illegal immigrants. Your the one that twisted my quote to I know a guy that says its true and just because unions support (D) they must also support immigrants. lol There's a reason that we ask for proof of citizenship when we hire that person. Had did your pretzel taste.

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Mike Pence..lol

 

[Wedgy]

So who's sending in a Trump flag to The Local, or to the Building Trades News?

 

[was thatguy]

Wow, you really have been brainwashed. I believe in voting independently. I don't believe in voting a certain way because others tell me I should. If one doesn't see the connection, I'd say that is based more on "selective reality". By no means am I saying vote against Dems, I am just saying that backing Dems by default is backing illegal, pardon me, "un-documented" immigration. It's not my opinion, the Dems openly say they do. Before someone has the audacity to pull the "R" word, my Pops was mexican...and yes, even union.

I do find it funny though, the response. Some of the more "vocal" right wing guys here I've read say that if you get one of the "libs" backed into a corner with truth, they won't argue. They will just deflect. Never happened to me before. Then again, I'm not very bright.

One thing they try to do is maintain plausible deniability for any responsibility of soft bigotry.
Bobby doesn’t hire anyone without documents, therefore his hands are clean and he will turn a blind eye (and blind thought) to any upstream activity that isn’t by his hand.
This is the pulpit they use over and over.
It’s the same reason BB-30 lectures Trumpkins when he himself played no role in the 2016 election, and will retain that plausible deniability in this election as well.
That way he can lecture to the unwashed masses no matter the outcome. It’ll be our fault, not his, and it doesn’t even matter who wins we will hear about from him ad nauseam. Look at what he’s subjected us to with Trumps 2016 victory. Can you imagine his onslaught if Hillary had won?

So it’s the same thing. If it doesn’t happen on Bobbys front porch, then it isn’t Bobbys concern. It doesn’t matter how plain the evidence is, they simply won’t acknowledge it.