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I don't want to be critical, but thought the same.Looks like the PD needs some remedial pistol training. Dude should have never walked away.
Can you expect to have any accuracy firing through a windshield?
I was't there and maybe soft dept rules mandate procedures, but I think I saw a couple places where they basically gave the guy a path to continue.
this is the second time in recent years lvmpd has shot thru the window during a police chase and getting fired at.Can you expect to have any accuracy firing through a windshield?
I've switched to .40 and I drive with it strong appendix.Perfect reason why I keep my 9 right next to me when driving. That was some crazy shit.
Actually, that's the difference between Republicans and democratsIf they had emptied a mag or 2 into the dude people would be whining it was too much force.. because he’s alive they didn’t use enough force.
Actually, that's the difference between Republicans and democrats
The right combo is just enough force to put the perp down, without being excessive. 16-20 rounds is a good number. As soon as you get past 20 its excessive.If they had emptied a mag or 2 into the dude people would be whining it was too much force.. because he’s alive they didn’t use enough force.
If you deserve to be shot at I don’t believe in such a thing as too much forceIf they had emptied a mag or 2 into the dude people would be whining it was too much force.. because he’s alive they didn’t use enough force.
There is no magic number of rounds. I do like the beer comparison though.The right combo is just enough force to put the perp down, without being excessive. 16-20 rounds is a good number. As soon as you get past 20 its excessive.
Like beer drinking. 16-20 beers is fine. You get past 20 and you're a drunk! Hahaha.
Looks like the PD needs some remedial pistol training. Dude should have never walked away.
There is no magic number of rounds. I do like the beer comparison though.
Shooting through the window at a car in front of you is not the best tactic, to say the least. It might be a tactic or the only way in some instance.
The attempt at the PIT maneuver was really bad. They can be difficult as its a precision maneuver but they were not even close.
MK1MOD0 - I know and respect your level of training and I agree generally with what you posted. Cops just don't get the level of training that you received and unfortunately, most don't get additional training outside their agencies. Police shootings are about a 30% hit ratio and cops are almost always reacting to the bad guy.
I don't know how much time they had in that mall parking lot but many of the patrol cars were parked with cops standing outside with pistols. I would like to have seen a few guys or at least one with a rifle.
Fortunately no cops or innocent folks were injured.
Not to mention the loss of hearing.
Anyone who’s popped one off inside anywhere can attest to that.
I can’t imagine 4-5 shots inside a car.
Do they not carry shot guns anymore?I didn’t take it like you were being hyper critical. It definitely is important to get live fire training and its just as important to debrief an incident and learn from it. You need to be able look at yourself and figure out what worked and what didn’t work.
The reality of what I saw in that video is that there is many things they can learn from. For one- Did anyone deploy a rifle when the bad guy was in that big parking lot? Better chance of ending that mess with a couple well placed rifle rounds.
Many still deploy pump action shotguns. Since rifles have been proven themselves over the years, a lot of guys and girls have gravitated towards the patrol rifles. Less recoil, easier for some to shoot and accuracy superior to that of a shotgun under most circumstances.Do they not carry shot guns anymore?
Seems like it would have been the best tool for the job at the range that video appeared to be.
Slugs not over penetrating?? Surely you jest!Semi auto shotguns are absolutely devastating under 100 yards. A Benelli with a red dot with slugs will stop a problem RIGHT NOW. One of the best close in weapons there are, and they tend not to overpenetrate like a rifle.
No I don’t. compare a 5.56 round to a slug, not even in the same ballpark.Slugs not over penetrating?? Surely you jest!
I would deploy a rifle 100% of the time if that situation ever presented itself. My level of confidence is extremely high with an AR. This confidence, accuracy and familiarity with that platform would make me more comfortable utilizing that particular tool under stress. Just my .02.Yes. I was just making a comparison between the shotgun and rifle. the humble shotgun is very underestimated for close in Work. Most LE shootings are within 25 yds, this is where a shotgun really shines. Don’t get me wrong, long guns are great! But in a urban environment, with civilians all over the place, letting loose with a rifle is a big concern.
My Ex-Wife asked to pop some shots out the window with my .45, we were crossing a deserted mountain pass but still not real smart, I know, we were young.Not to mention the loss of hearing.
Anyone who’s popped one off inside anywhere can attest to that.
I can’t imagine 4-5 shots inside a car.
Maybe the gas light came on. It happens to me every time I drive my wife’s suburban.Never tried a car jack before but what's the point of switching cars while being chased?