Dem Voters have a hearing problem

[Old Texan]

So why cannot they not hear it when the Bern has to answer the question of paying for his "free" health care by stating it will have to be some sort of payroll tax deduction??????

He colors himself with a liberal crayon and got all bent out of shape when Bloomberg revealed the earthy dem-socialist tone as plain old bright red communism.

And his hypocrisy know no bounds on any topic. Free education to gain a job that will be taxed to death to keep anyone from getting, oh shit "rich".......

A complete anticapitalistic communist with not a fucking clue how to make all his gibberish doable.

Warren is nearly as bad and scolds like a schoolmarm talking down at grade schoolers........

 

[RCDave]

It's not a hearing problem. It's a mental capacity issue

 

[RodnJen]

Will you pay less via a payroll tax than what you are paying now? My guess is you don’t know the answer, neither do I. What where doing isn’t working, time for an overhaul.

 

[Old Texan]

Will you pay less via a payroll tax than what you are paying now? My guess is you don’t know the answer, neither do I. What where doing isn’t working, time for an overhaul.

He said free. Point being he's lying and/or just doesn't know how to accomplish anything better.

If your party would spend as much time working with Trump as they do trying to unseat him, a solution could be done that is better and HC would not even be a major debate issue.

 

[squeezer]

Republicons have a math problem...


Pay very close attention to what is apparently a very complex math issue. Lets start with a picture for your reference:

Now I know its going to hard to fathom this OT but $10,586 is actually MORE than $7,317, which is MORE than $6,187, which is MORE than $5,986, etc, etc...

Now lets make sure you are clear on this concept before moving on the where you math problem lies. $10,586 is MORE than $7,317 !!! By a mythical process known as subtraction we even know how much more... Take a deep breath. Steady Now... $10,586 is $3,269 more than $7,317. Wheww.... !!!! Subtraction is a bitch. Do I need to go over it again or do you have it? OK just going to assume you have it. Now lets use the new magical power of subtraction and see what it actually means...

When we implement a healthcare system that costs $3,269 LESS per person to operate than our current system we get to SUBTRACT the cost difference.

HOLLY SHIT!!! You mean we don't ADD the system that costs $7317/person on top of the system that costs $10,586 ???? NO WE DONT... Thats why its called a replacement system.

Now in yore defense I can see where the Tighty Righties get confused here as they have been voting for people who claim they will reduce the budget deficit (Reduce is a related concept to subtrac...) but in reality always end up increasing it. There are some other serious math issues you have had to deal with, like inauguration crowd sizes, popular vote totals, etc etc. Maybe its because you all spend so much time re-learning geography...

Anyway no matter how hard of a concept it may be to get right I can assure you that $7,317 is truly less than $10,586*


* It really is... no really.. Its IS!!!

 

[brgrcru]

Will you pay less via a payroll tax than what you are paying now? My guess is you don’t know the answer, neither do I. What where doing isn’t working, time for an overhaul.

Everything is working , just fine . Look you have a beautiful family , nice house , nice boat , for the most part enjoy your life . As most people do , who work hard make smart decissions .
What's the problem ?
Why do we have to fundamentally change this country .

 

[brgrcru]

Republicons have a math problem...


Pay very close attention to what is apparently a very complex math issue. Lets start with a picture for your reference:

View attachment 846616

Now I know its going to hard to fathom this OT but $10,586 is actually MORE than $7,317, which is MORE than $6,187, which is MORE than $5,986, etc, etc...

Now lets make sure you are clear on this concept before moving on the where you math problem lies. $10,586 is MORE than $7,317 !!! By a mythical process known as subtraction we even know how much more... Take a deep breath. Steady Now... $10,586 is $3,269 more than $7,317. Wheww.... !!!! Subtraction is a bitch. Do I need to go over it again or do you have it? OK just going to assume you have it. Now lets use the new magical power of subtraction and see what it actually means...

When we implement a healthcare system that costs $3,269 LESS per person to operate than our current system we get to SUBTRACT the cost difference.

HOLLY SHIT!!! You mean we don't ADD the system that costs $7317/person on top of the system that costs $10,586 ???? NO WE DONT... Thats why its called a replacement system.

Now in yore defense I can see where the Tighty Righties get confused here as they have been voting for people who claim they will reduce the budget deficit (Reduce is a related concept to subtrac...) but in reality always end up increasing it. There are some other serious math issues you have had to deal with, like inauguration crowd sizes, popular vote totals, etc etc. Maybe its because you all spend so much time re-learning geography...

Anyway no matter how hard of a concept it may be to get right I can assure you that $7,317 is truly less than $10,586*


* It really is... no really.. Its IS!!!

Wasn't obamumer care suppose to fix health care ?

 

[stevesdcb]

So why cannot they not hear it when the Bern has to answer the question of paying for his "free" health care by stating it will have to be some sort of payroll tax deduction??????

He colors himself with a liberal crayon and got all bent out of shape when Bloomberg revealed the earthy dem-socialist tone as plain old bright red communism.

And his hypocrisy know no bounds on any topic. Free education to gain a job that will be taxed to death to keep anyone from getting, oh shit "rich".......

A complete anticapitalistic communist with not a fucking clue how to make all his gibberish doable.

Warren is nearly as bad and scolds like a schoolmarm talking down at grade schoolers........

Interesting & entertaining cast of characters, I'm starting to enjoy watching these Dem debates, liberalism at its finest. I heard Chuck Todd use the "we" word again as if he, the ring master, is concerned & was trying to get his clown show organized.

Chuck Todd, the political expert & host of Meet the Press.........bought & paid for poster bitch of the Democrate machine.

 

[Chili Palmer]

Republicons have a math problem...


Pay very close attention to what is apparently a very complex math issue. Lets start with a picture for your reference:

View attachment 846616

Now I know its going to hard to fathom this OT but $10,586 is actually MORE than $7,317, which is MORE than $6,187, which is MORE than $5,986, etc, etc...

Now lets make sure you are clear on this concept before moving on the where you math problem lies. $10,586 is MORE than $7,317 !!! By a mythical process known as subtraction we even know how much more... Take a deep breath. Steady Now... $10,586 is $3,269 more than $7,317. Wheww.... !!!! Subtraction is a bitch. Do I need to go over it again or do you have it? OK just going to assume you have it. Now lets use the new magical power of subtraction and see what it actually means...

When we implement a healthcare system that costs $3,269 LESS per person to operate than our current system we get to SUBTRACT the cost difference.

HOLLY SHIT!!! You mean we don't ADD the system that costs $7317/person on top of the system that costs $10,586 ???? NO WE DONT... Thats why its called a replacement system.

Now in yore defense I can see where the Tighty Righties get confused here as they have been voting for people who claim they will reduce the budget deficit (Reduce is a related concept to subtrac...) but in reality always end up increasing it. There are some other serious math issues you have had to deal with, like inauguration crowd sizes, popular vote totals, etc etc. Maybe its because you all spend so much time re-learning geography...

Anyway no matter how hard of a concept it may be to get right I can assure you that $7,317 is truly less than $10,586*


* It really is... no really.. Its IS!!!

Hmmm, now let's see how many of the other countries listed have a homeless problem like the US? How many other countries have healthcare comparable to the US? Where do foreign celebrities go for operations? Spain? No. France? No. Norway? No. England? No, they all come to the US. How many people do we have now not paying into the system that are reaping the benefits of our healthcare system? Obamacare wiped out many private insurance companies so now there is less competition to provide healthcare here in the US. Do you really want socialized healthcare that will take you 6 months or more to get a biopsy if you are diagnosed with at disease like cancer? What if you have kidney stones that won't pass, but you can't get a procedure done for 3-4 months? What if you were in a car accident and need immediate surgery? Sorry, we'll just stabilize you until we have an opening. Do you really want the government to run the healthcare system like they do the DMV? They can't even take care of the homeless problem.

Be careful for what you wish for.

 

[squeezer]

Wasn't obamumer care suppose to fix health care ?

Nope... Not even close. The ACA was too little too soon. Not even close to a single payer system.

 

[AzMandella]

Republicons have a math problem...


Pay very close attention to what is apparently a very complex math issue. Lets start with a picture for your reference:

View attachment 846616

Now I know its going to hard to fathom this OT but $10,586 is actually MORE than $7,317, which is MORE than $6,187, which is MORE than $5,986, etc, etc...

Now lets make sure you are clear on this concept before moving on the where you math problem lies. $10,586 is MORE than $7,317 !!! By a mythical process known as subtraction we even know how much more... Take a deep breath. Steady Now... $10,586 is $3,269 more than $7,317. Wheww.... !!!! Subtraction is a bitch. Do I need to go over it again or do you have it? OK just going to assume you have it. Now lets use the new magical power of subtraction and see what it actually means...

When we implement a healthcare system that costs $3,269 LESS per person to operate than our current system we get to SUBTRACT the cost difference.

HOLLY SHIT!!! You mean we don't ADD the system that costs $7317/person on top of the system that costs $10,586 ???? NO WE DONT... Thats why its called a replacement system.

Now in yore defense I can see where the Tighty Righties get confused here as they have been voting for people who claim they will reduce the budget deficit (Reduce is a related concept to subtrac...) but in reality always end up increasing it. There are some other serious math issues you have had to deal with, like inauguration crowd sizes, popular vote totals, etc etc. Maybe its because you all spend so much time re-learning geography...

Anyway no matter how hard of a concept it may be to get right I can assure you that $7,317 is truly less than $10,586*


* It really is... no really.. Its IS!!!

Yep it is less . It would be less to my employer not me . See we get 100% paid health ins . So if we go bernies way I will be spending more .

 

[94Nautique]

Republicons have a math problem...


Pay very close attention to what is apparently a very complex math issue. Lets start with a picture for your reference:

View attachment 846616

Now I know its going to hard to fathom this OT but $10,586 is actually MORE than $7,317, which is MORE than $6,187, which is MORE than $5,986, etc, etc...

Now lets make sure you are clear on this concept before moving on the where you math problem lies. $10,586 is MORE than $7,317 !!! By a mythical process known as subtraction we even know how much more... Take a deep breath. Steady Now... $10,586 is $3,269 more than $7,317. Wheww.... !!!! Subtraction is a bitch. Do I need to go over it again or do you have it? OK just going to assume you have it. Now lets use the new magical power of subtraction and see what it actually means...

When we implement a healthcare system that costs $3,269 LESS per person to operate than our current system we get to SUBTRACT the cost difference.

HOLLY SHIT!!! You mean we don't ADD the system that costs $7317/person on top of the system that costs $10,586 ???? NO WE DONT... Thats why its called a replacement system.

Now in yore defense I can see where the Tighty Righties get confused here as they have been voting for people who claim they will reduce the budget deficit (Reduce is a related concept to subtrac...) but in reality always end up increasing it. There are some other serious math issues you have had to deal with, like inauguration crowd sizes, popular vote totals, etc etc. Maybe its because you all spend so much time re-learning geography...

Anyway no matter how hard of a concept it may be to get right I can assure you that $7,317 is truly less than $10,586*


* It really is... no really.. Its IS!!!

The Eye-Popping Cost of Medicare for All

According to new figures: more than the federal government will spend over the coming decade on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid combined.

www.theatlantic.com

They seem to think its only going to cost $3.4t a year. Given its a govt take over, be prepared for it to cost twice that, or $6.4trillion a year. And since its a govt take over, expect to have service on par with your local DMV or City permit office.

So, to recap, we're looking at giving the govt roughly $60 to $80 TRILLION dollars over the next ten years so that they can tell you what procedures you can and cant have. And about that $60 to $80 TRILLION dollars, where the fuck does that come from???? Total US GDP in 2019 was only $21.4 TRILLION (which I believe includes current $3.4 Trillion in HC spending, so when the govt takes it over and doubles the cost bammo, GDP will go up ((total clusterfuck in how we measure shit, but I digress)) so again, we're looking at realistically letting the govt make HC ~35% of total GDP and will shoulder it on the 157m working Americans. What is that, about 80% of your paycheck???

Fuck these mental midgets that want to control everything in your life. fuck them.

 

[squeezer]

Hmmm, now let's see how many of the other countries listed have a homeless problem like the US? How many other countries have healthcare comparable to the US? Where do foreign celebrities go for operations? Spain? No. France? No. Norway? No. England? No, they all come to the US. How many people do we have now not paying into the system that are reaping the benefits of our healthcare system? Obamacare wiped out many private insurance companies so now there is less competition to provide healthcare here in the US. Do you really want socialized healthcare that will take you 6 months or more to get a biopsy if you are diagnosed with at disease like cancer? What if you have kidney stones that won't pass, but you can't get a procedure done for 3-4 months? What if you were in a car accident and need immediate surgery? Sorry, we'll just stabilize you until we have an opening. Do you really want the government to run the healthcare system like they do the DMV? They can't even take care of the homeless problem.

Be careful for what you wish for.

Nice... Talking points fed directly from the Health Insurance Lobby based on fear and disinformation.

First if foreign celebrities are flying to the US for operations there is more than a strong likelyhood those operations are elective in nature... Not all of them of course, find some real numbers on elective vs. necessary and change my mind.

Next, EVERYBODY reaps the benefits of our healthcare system. Doesnt matter if you pay into it or not. Thats not going to change. What we can change is the fact that those "Non-Payers" get the majority of their care in emergency rooms. Which is of course the most expensive way possible.

Your access to immediate or emergency care comments are total bullshit. Canadians are not dying from lack of emergency care or biopsies. There are certainly waits for less urgent medical procedures, thats a trade-off I am willing to make.

In a final ironic twist it is easily argued that a very big part of the homeless problem is a medical problem. Not hard to fathom in a country where 3 out of 5 bankruptcies are due to medical costs.


But yea, Your Viagra is covered so lets not fuck that up...

 

[RodnJen]

Everything is working , just fine . Look you have a beautiful family , nice house , nice boat , for the most part enjoy your life . As most people do , who work hard make smart decissions .
What's the problem ?
Why do we have to fundamentally change this country .

The short answer is that we are paying too much for too little.

 

[stevesdcb]

How about all the illegals, in this country, that use our emergency rooms for their primary care, child bearing & emergencies? Better figure out how they factor in all this before overhauling our medical system.

Agree, system could be improved.

Hold off on the Viagra offer, not appreciated, wanted or needed at this time.

 

[94Nautique]

The short answer is that we are paying too much for too little.

so having the govt take it over will help with lowering cost or providing more service or BOTH?

It has never happened. It never will.

 

[RCDave]

 

[squeezer]

How about all the illegals, in this country, that use our emergency rooms for their primary care, child bearing & emergencies? Better figure out how they factor in all this before overhauling our medical system.

Agree, system could be improved.

Hold off on the Viagra offer, not appreciated, wanted or needed at this time.

Set a baseline...

Would you agree that the way they access care now is the most expensive way possible?

 

[brgrcru]

The short answer is that we are paying too much for too little.

really ? and you think your party is going to fix that?
nothing is free, someone going to pay . with all my bills, that I pay each month, someone is getting a break, on theirs. be it healthcare , phone, water , electricity, etc. etc etc.

my insurance went up over thousand dollars in 2009 because of obamcare. yes I bitched about it . yes, its almost as much as my mortgage . as my home at the river, was put aside, to protect my family with health care . so I moved on .

why do the demosocialist, want to take my liberty, freedom and pursuit of happiness, away from me and millions of others?
why is your party so bitter?
it works for millions of people?
why do we have to transform this country into failed government policies.

why are your candidates so angry,
why are they shouting?
why do they hate this country so much?

 

[94Nautique]

Set a baseline...

Would you agree that the way they access care now is the most expensive way possible?

we agree, illegal aliens are accessing health care the most expensive way possible.

1. They are here illegally, and dont pay much into the HC system
2. Many have the ability to skip out on unpaid HC debt
3. Many either wait too long to get care or go to the ER with a sore throat, both are a nightmare and massive taxation of the system

So, based on the above, the root cause looks to be......Keep them OUT of the US (they are illegally here) and guess what, problem solved.

Yes, the wall helps save with HC costs too.

 

[YumaRivernaut]

Interesting.
I am always amazed at the omission of the problem of parasitic lawyers and the Bar Association in this and other matters that affect our country. Tort reform and caps on malpractice awards never seem to enter the public consciousness. By design.
By THEIR design.
These simple reforms (along with others) would have a massive and immediate effect on insurance premiums.
The reality of lawyers infesting politics as well as their campaign contributions to feed their greed seems to know no bounds.
Move along now, nothing to see or talk about here.
BTW, I lived in "advanced" countries with socialized health care and my ex wife worked in the medical profession in these countries.
Fucking nightmare to be blunt.
Be careful of what you wish for.

 

[squeezer]

we agree, illegal aliens are accessing health care the most expensive way possible.

1. They are here illegally, and dont pay much into the HC system
2. Many have the ability to skip out on unpaid HC debt
3. Many either wait too long to get care or go to the ER with a sore throat, both are a nightmare and massive taxation of the system

So, based on the above, the root cause looks to be......Keep them OUT of the US (they are illegally here) and guess what, problem solved.

Yes, the wall helps save with HC costs too.

In your mind the root cause of our healthcare system costs are illegals...?

 

[squeezer]

really ? and you think your party is going to fix that?
nothing is free, someone going to pay . with all my bills, that I pay each month, someone is getting a break, on theirs. be it healthcare , phone, water , electricity, etc. etc etc.

my insurance went up over thousand dollars in 2009 because of obamcare. yes I bitched about it . yes, its almost as much as my mortgage . as my home at the river, was put aside, to protect my family with health care . so I moved on .

why do the demosocialist, want to take my liberty, freedom and pursuit of happiness, away from me and millions of others?
why is your party so bitter?
it works for millions of people?
why do we have to transform this country into failed government policies.

why are your candidates so angry,
why are they shouting?
why do they hate this country so much?

Your right on one point here.

The healthcare system does work for millions of people. The problem is it needs to work for 300 Million people...

 

[94Nautique]

In your mind the root cause of our healthcare system costs are illegals...?

No. I'm pointing out the root cause of illegals accessing healthcare in the most expensive manner is the simple fact they are here.

 

[94Nautique]

Your right on one point here.

The healthcare system does work for millions of people. The problem is it needs to work for 300 Million people...

I would think having the federal govt be the sole provider of HC would be the last way we would have it work for 330 million Americans.

 

[RCDave]

The healthcare system should work for those individuals that contribute sufficiently. No contribution, no service....and the system needs to be absent government intervention. Open the free market to healthcare and watch cost decline substantially

Here endeth the lesson.

 

[RodnJen]

I would think having the federal govt be the sole provider of HC would be the last way we would have ti work for 330 million Americans.

Single payer not single provider.

 

[SNiC Jet]

Single payer not single provider.

Over time....it would eventually all be the same.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The short answer is that we are paying too much for too little.

And your answer is to pay even more to the same people who already give us too little.

 

[RCDave]

 

[thetub]

And your answer is to pay even more to the same people who already give us too little.

its mind boggling at the things he types out and actually believes is true...

or he is like Grads just trying to get a rise out of people?

i didnt think a person can be so stoopid ?

 

[Old Texan]

Republicons have a math problem...


Pay very close attention to what is apparently a very complex math issue. Lets start with a picture for your reference:

View attachment 846616

Now I know its going to hard to fathom this OT but $10,586 is actually MORE than $7,317, which is MORE than $6,187, which is MORE than $5,986, etc, etc...

Now lets make sure you are clear on this concept before moving on the where you math problem lies. $10,586 is MORE than $7,317 !!! By a mythical process known as subtraction we even know how much more... Take a deep breath. Steady Now... $10,586 is $3,269 more than $7,317. Wheww.... !!!! Subtraction is a bitch. Do I need to go over it again or do you have it? OK just going to assume you have it. Now lets use the new magical power of subtraction and see what it actually means...

When we implement a healthcare system that costs $3,269 LESS per person to operate than our current system we get to SUBTRACT the cost difference.

HOLLY SHIT!!! You mean we don't ADD the system that costs $7317/person on top of the system that costs $10,586 ???? NO WE DONT... Thats why its called a replacement system.

Now in yore defense I can see where the Tighty Righties get confused here as they have been voting for people who claim they will reduce the budget deficit (Reduce is a related concept to subtrac...) but in reality always end up increasing it. There are some other serious math issues you have had to deal with, like inauguration crowd sizes, popular vote totals, etc etc. Maybe its because you all spend so much time re-learning geography...

Anyway no matter how hard of a concept it may be to get right I can assure you that $7,317 is truly less than $10,586*


* It really is... no really.. Its IS!!!

Biffer, you can post stats and throw out math skill sarcasm all you want. The problem is our government is involved and ignoring the issues that cause the finest health care system in the world to fail the majority.

Until we all work in unison to make DC work in society's best interest it ain't changing. I watched 6 people prove the point last night on how incompetent any of the mare to lead and make decisions. 5 wannabes and 1 never was who is actually proud of the current failure is all I saw....Supreme case of TDS

 

[94Nautique]

Single payer not single provider.

I would argue the left cant stop with a single payor. They cant help themselves, they want TOTAL control. TOTAL CONTROL.

Ask a lefty how far left they think is good, and then keep asking them and watch them flail about as they describe communism described as socialism hiding as democratic socialism.

 

[Angler]

Even if saucy's number were even close, the last thing I want is to have the government manage my healthcare period.

 

[RodnJen]

Even if saucy's number were even close, the last thing I want is to have the government manage my healthcare period.

Not planning on living to 65?

 

[stevesdcb]

Set a baseline...

Would you agree that the way they access care now is the most expensive way possible?

Semi retired, I currently pay $1,000 a month. When I was working full time the county picked up the tab.

Honestly, I don't have enough knowledge to set a baseline.

The Dems want it all, free borders , free education, free health care, etc. Impossible to pay for all the free shit the Dems are throwing out. If a baseline is going to be set, for health care, those borders need to be super tight & the illegals that are currently in the country need to declare & be counted. I can only imagine what kind of response counting illegals would bring. I'm not the least bit interested in giving my earned monies away for health care when we have porous borders & millions of illegals in the country.

IMO, the Dem candidates are blowing big smoke when they start talking about free health care for everybody.

 

[530RL]

Out of curiosity what is the difference between promising free healthcare for all versus promising a free 2,000 foot long 80 foot tall border wall for all as Mexico will pay for that?

Would free healthcare for all be better and more palatable if Sanders just said Mexico will pay for it?

Or is it all just more BS unrealistic political promises that will suck in their respective sheep?

 

[RodnJen]

Semi retired, I currently pay $1,000 a month. When I was working full time the county picked up the tab.

Honestly, I don't have enough knowledge to set a baseline.

The Dems want it all, free borders , free education, free health care, etc. Impossible to pay for all the free shit the Dems are throwing out. If a baseline is going to be set, for health care, those borders need to be super tight & the illegals that are currently in the country need to declare & be counted. I can only imagine what kind of response counting illegals would bring. I'm not the least bit interested in giving my earned monies away for health care when we have porous borders & millions of illegals in the country.

IMO, the Dem candidates are blowing big smoke when they start talking about free health care for everybody.

You are absolutely right, managing our border is key to the success and cost effectiveness of any government program. I’m in a similar situation to you, my employer covers a big chunk of my HC. That bill for the year is almost as much as my federal tax liability.

Think about all of the things that your federal taxes fund. Then think how much HC cost in the greatest country, with the greatest economy, in the world. It is out of balance.

Nobody thinks this will be free. The only people that say that, are people that are making a political statement against it.

 

[Old Texan]

You are absolutely right, managing our border is key to the success and cost effectiveness of any government program. I’m in a similar situation to you, my employer covers a big chunk of my HC. That bill for the year is almost as much as my federal tax liability.

Think about all of the things that your federal taxes fund. Then think how much HC cost in the greatest country, with the greatest economy, in the world. It is out of balance.

Nobody thinks this will be free. The only people that say that, are people that are making a political statement against it.

The ones calling for your vote are saying it's a right and at minimum, alluding to it being free. Those who will vote in mass numbers for Bern think it's free.

 

[Eliminator21vdrive]

Republicons have a math problem...


Pay very close attention to what is apparently a very complex math issue. Lets start with a picture for your reference:

View attachment 846616

Now I know its going to hard to fathom this OT but $10,586 is actually MORE than $7,317, which is MORE than $6,187, which is MORE than $5,986, etc, etc...

Now lets make sure you are clear on this concept before moving on the where you math problem lies. $10,586 is MORE than $7,317 !!! By a mythical process known as subtraction we even know how much more... Take a deep breath. Steady Now... $10,586 is $3,269 more than $7,317. Wheww.... !!!! Subtraction is a bitch. Do I need to go over it again or do you have it? OK just going to assume you have it. Now lets use the new magical power of subtraction and see what it actually means...

When we implement a healthcare system that costs $3,269 LESS per person to operate than our current system we get to SUBTRACT the cost difference.

HOLLY SHIT!!! You mean we don't ADD the system that costs $7317/person on top of the system that costs $10,586 ???? NO WE DONT... Thats why its called a replacement system.

Now in yore defense I can see where the Tighty Righties get confused here as they have been voting for people who claim they will reduce the budget deficit (Reduce is a related concept to subtrac...) but in reality always end up increasing it. There are some other serious math issues you have had to deal with, like inauguration crowd sizes, popular vote totals, etc etc. Maybe its because you all spend so much time re-learning geography...

Anyway no matter how hard of a concept it may be to get right I can assure you that $7,317 is truly less than $10,586*


* It really is... no really.. Its IS!!!

And WHO designed our Wealth care system? You have to approve it to see what is in it? You can keep your Doctor or plan?

 

[94Nautique]

Out of curiosity what is the difference between promising free healthcare for all versus promising a free 2,000 foot long 80 foot tall border wall for all as Mexico will pay for that?

Would free healthcare for all be better and more palatable if Sanders just said Mexico will pay for it?

Or is it all just more BS unrealistic political promises that will suck in their respective sheep?

Wow, talk about strawman. Out of curiosity, do your strawmen eat pretzels?

Asking for a friend.

 

[SNiC Jet]

Out of curiosity what is the difference between promising free healthcare for all versus promising a free 2,000 foot long 80 foot tall border wall for all as Mexico will pay for that?

Would free healthcare for all be better and more palatable if Sanders just said Mexico will pay for it?

Or is it all just more BS unrealistic political promises that will suck in their respective sheep?

Here's a boating (political analogy) question for you....
If you found yourself in a row boat, in the middle of a lake and a lightning storm is approaching.......in order to find harbor, you need to take action and when you pick up the only oar in the boat, you discover it is broken, not full length, and not up to your standards. Do you:

A: Sit in the boat and do nothing but bitch and complain because you do not have a perfect oar.
B: Pick up the only oar available, and use it in your best efforts to reach safety.
C: Convenience yourself that safe harbor does not fit your expectations and therefore not worth the efforts.
D: Do nothing, and declare the other boaters rowing to shore with their broken oars as misguided and ignorant.

 

[RodnJen]

Here's a boating (political analogy) question for you....
If you found yourself in a row boat, in the middle of a lake and a lightning storm is approaching.......in order to find harbor, you need to take action and when you pick up the only oar in the boat, you discover it is broken, not full length, and not up to your standards. Do you:

A: Sit in the boat and do nothing but bitch and complain because you do not have a perfect oar.
B: Pick up the only oar available, and use it in your best efforts to reach safety.
C: Convenience yourself that safe harbor does not fit your expectations and therefore not worth the efforts.
D: Do nothing, and declare the other boaters rowing to shore with their broken oars as misguided and ignorant.

If a Republican shits in the woods, can you hear a tree fall?

 

[Danger Dave]

I feel sick.

 

[SNiC Jet]

If a Republican shits in the woods, can you hear a tree fall?

Sorry.....I did not list your choice. But here you go..........

E: Pull my drain plug, and save my boat by sinking it.

 

[squeezer]

And WHO designed our Wealth care system? You have to approve it to see what is in it? You can keep your Doctor or plan?

I am so glad you asked...

The ACA form now and forever known as "Obamacare" was functionally identical to "The healthcare insurance reform law was enacted as Chapter 58 of the Acts of 2006 of the Massachusetts General Court; its long form title is An Act Providing Access to Affordable, Quality, Accountable Health Care" a bit better known as Romneycare. Romneycare was designed by MIT professor Jonathan Gruber. Now like Gruber or not it is pretty easy to point out that he was simply in this to line his own pockets. I have read in other places (Which I cant find at the moment) that he was strongly connected (Funded by) to the Cato Institute... You go ahead and follow the $$ trail on that one.

Loose-lipped ObamaCare adviser's predictions more bad than bold, analysis shows

Jonathan Gruber, one of the architects of ObamaCare, was paid millions to help with ObamaCare’s writing and implementation – but recently-surfaced videos of him calling voters “stupid” have left many questioning his judgment.

www.foxnews.com

How Little-Known MIT Professor Jonathan Gruber Shook Up Washington This Week

Jonathan Gruber may have not been a household name—at least before this week—but, he is the MIT economist described as the “architect” of Obamacare and previously Romneycare. He sparked a furor this week after video surfaced of him talking about the “stupidity” of the American people, amongst...

abcnews.go.com

How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate

Jim Taranto, who writes the Wall Street Journal’s excellent “Best of the Web” column, put forth a lengthy and informative discussion yesterday on the conservative origins of the individual mandate, whose inclusion in Obamacare is today its most controversial feature on the Right.

www.forbes.com

Original document where Heritage created Obamacare individual mandate

It's ironic that Republicans are so hell-bent on repealing Obamacare's individual mandate as they're the ones who came up with it in the first place.

americablog.com

 

[Chili Palmer]

Interesting.
I am always amazed at the omission of the problem of parasitic lawyers and the Bar Association in this and other matters that affect our country. Tort reform and caps on malpractice awards never seem to enter the public consciousness. By design.
By THEIR design.
These simple reforms (along with others) would have a massive and immediate effect on insurance premiums.
The reality of lawyers infesting politics as well as their campaign contributions to feed their greed seems to know no bounds.
Move along now, nothing to see or talk about here.
BTW, I lived in "advanced" countries with socialized health care and my ex wife worked in the medical profession in these countries.
Fucking nightmare to be blunt.
Be careful of what you wish for.

As much as it's the lawyers fault, it's more of these stupid liberal judges that allow this crap that sets precedent. That's why all these illegals flood the emergency rooms and clinics and homeless are camping out on the streets. Just tell me how opening the borders going to help any of these issues? To help solve the healthcare issue Trump should mandate that congress will have the same health coverage that they have been trying force onto us since Obamacare was enacted. Watch how fast things will happen.

 

[Eliminator21vdrive]

I am so glad you asked...

The ACA form now and forever known as "Obamacare" was functionally identical to "The healthcare insurance reform law was enacted as Chapter 58 of the Acts of 2006 of the Massachusetts General Court; its long form title is An Act Providing Access to Affordable, Quality, Accountable Health Care" a bit better known as Romneycare. Romneycare was designed by MIT professor Jonathan Gruber. Now like Gruber or not it is pretty easy to point out that he was simply in this to line his own pockets. I have read in other places (Which I cant find at the moment) that he was strongly connected (Funded by) to the Cato Institute... You go ahead and follow the $$ trail on that one.

Loose-lipped ObamaCare adviser's predictions more bad than bold, analysis shows

Jonathan Gruber, one of the architects of ObamaCare, was paid millions to help with ObamaCare’s writing and implementation – but recently-surfaced videos of him calling voters “stupid” have left many questioning his judgment.

www.foxnews.com

How Little-Known MIT Professor Jonathan Gruber Shook Up Washington This Week

Jonathan Gruber may have not been a household name—at least before this week—but, he is the MIT economist described as the “architect” of Obamacare and previously Romneycare. He sparked a furor this week after video surfaced of him talking about the “stupidity” of the American people, amongst...

abcnews.go.com

How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate

Jim Taranto, who writes the Wall Street Journal’s excellent “Best of the Web” column, put forth a lengthy and informative discussion yesterday on the conservative origins of the individual mandate, whose inclusion in Obamacare is today its most controversial feature on the Right.

www.forbes.com

Original document where Heritage created Obamacare individual mandate

It's ironic that Republicans are so hell-bent on repealing Obamacare's individual mandate as they're the ones who came up with it in the first place.

americablog.com

But what party pushed and implemented it?

 

[RodnJen]

But what party pushed and implemented it?

The Democrats. Here is a good article of how it was in jeopardy early on. The Republicans were still angry about losing to Obama. Their obstructionist agenda was their best way to throw a fit.

https://www.healthinsurance.org/blog/2019/07/26/12-ways-the-gop-sabotaged-obamacare/

 

[94Nautique]

Speaking of problems: https://www.breitbart.com/2020-elec...ay-from-make-or-break-south-carolina-primary/

Who would vote for this person? Ever?