Engine oil filters. To fill, or not to fill with oil on an installation

[lbhsbz]

I would start sending samples off to a lab like Blackstone to see what’s going on. They can help you determine the oil condition and probably extend your intervals safely.

 

[Uncle Dave]

That's interesting. Never would have thought about contaminating from a fresh oil jug.

Happens all the time....

UD

 

[ElAzul]

Happens all the time....

UD

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That looks like additives that fell out of suspension I would shake that up and hope all of it makes it in the engine

 

[CobraDave]

Get a funnel with a filter


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[LargeOrangeFont]

Get a funnel with a filter


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Solvable problem!!!

 

[Uncle Dave]

That looks like additives that fell out of suspension I would shake that up and hope all of it makes it in the engine

Probably.......

UD

 

[ElAzul]

Get a funnel with a filter


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Simple nonsense

 

[RiverDave]

Let's use some common sense here kids...

Ever get engine oil on your hands? Of course you have.

Does it come right off? Is it easy to clean up when you spill it? Fuck no! lol

It sticks to everything. It's a mess. It's the exact same way inside your engine. It's stuck to everything in there. There is no such thing as a "dry start"!!

Like @lbhsbz said. It's not going to hurt anything to prefill an oil filter, but it's not going to make your engine last any longer either.

Ever see how much oil comes out, and how fast, when you forget to put the filter back on?? Try it sometime. You'll realize Real quick how fast that filter fills up with oil. Ask me how I know...

Wipe standard engine oil on an angle plate 1/2.. Then wipe some oil with Lucas oil stabilizer on the other half.. come back at the end of each day and check.. . Think you will
Be surprised at what ya find after day two or three depending..

 

[Uncle Dave]

Simple nonsense

Never seen an oil funnel with a filter....

Seen the big gas funnels with filter but never a small one.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Wipe standard engine oil on an angle plate 1/2.. Then wipe some oil with Lucas oil stabilizer on the other half.. come back at the end of each day and check.. . Think you will
Be surprised at what ya find after day two or three depending..

One thing to consider, is that just because oil clings to a pitched flat surface better with an additive, does not mean it will protect the crank and rod journals when a motor is fired up and explosions are forcing the pistons down (and the journal into the bearing) before oil pressure comes up. An old rule of thumb is 10 psi per 1000 RPM to create that hydrodynamic wedge of oil protecting the bearings and journals from making sweet sweet hot friction love.

It would seem to be helpful, but clinging under zero pressure VS providing actual protection under force may be different stories. It would be great if we could see a test.

 

[lbhsbz]

Wipe standard engine oil on an angle plate 1/2.. Then wipe some oil with Lucas oil stabilizer on the other half.. come back at the end of each day and check.. . Think you will
Be surprised at what ya find after day two or three depending..

That's a "feel good" test...it provides some data, but mostly useless data. That would be like Michelin testing tires by seeing how they hold up strapped to a tug boat.

Modern oils are so highly engineered for specific purposes for a reason. Pouring any kind of additive on top of that is just like using a complete wrong oil in any given engine.

 

[rivermobster]

One thing to consider, is that just because oil clings to a pitched flat surface better with an additive, does not mean it will protect the crank and rod journals when a motor is fired up and explosions are forcing the pistons down (and the journal into the bearing) before oil pressure comes up. An old rule of thumb is 10 psi per 1000 RPM to create that hydrodynamic wedge of oil protecting the bearings and journals from making sweet sweet hot friction love.

It would seem to be helpful, but clinging under zero pressure VS providing actual protection under force may be different stories. It would be great if we could see a test.

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That's a "feel good" test...it provides some data, but mostly useless data. That would be like Michelin testing tires by seeing how they hold up strapped to a tug boat.

Modern oils are so highly engineered for specific purposes for a reason. Pouring any kind of additive on top of that is just like using a complete wrong oil in any given engine.

How dare you guys disparage the Lucas...

Blasphemy.

 

[lbhsbz]

How dare you guys disparage the Lucas...

Blasphemy.

I use Lucas grease on the hubs on all my single axle trailers

 

[pwerwagn]

I believe the OE oil and OE filter are the best. If you leave the OE oil and filter on your engine, you never have to change it and never have to worry about prefilling shit.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

How dare you guys disparage the Lucas...

Blasphemy.

He’s under fire from all sides on this additive crap lol.

 

[pronstar]

I believe the OE oil and OE filter are the best. If you leave the OE oil and filter on your engine, you never have to change it and never have to worry about prefilling shit.

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Yup.
And if you don’t change it long enough, the viscosity will thicken all on its own.
Winning!


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[jetboatperformance]

Always prefill or pre oil (drill) new engines get Lucas breakin and never cheap oil ... if your not paying north of 6 bucks a quart your probably buying cheap oil

 

[mash on it]

I believe the OE oil and OE filter are the best. If you leave the OE oil and filter on your engine, you never have to change it and never have to worry about prefilling shit.

Had to tow a rent-a-center one ton van, no start condition. No records of oil changes. ~54,000 miles on original factory Ford installed oil (as far as we could tell) With the drain plug out, overnight, had a half dollar sized oil 'puddle' in the drain pan. 5.4 triton motor.​

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Dan'l​

 

[SBMech]

If I'm dry firing a new assembly, pre-fill and drill/kill ign to prime till I see pressure reading on the gauge.

It's probably overkill in reality, since I use a shit load of assembly lube when I put them together anyhow....

That old saying "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" always sticks with me.

Modern systems are very specific, dry sump motors especially. If it's a vertical filter I do it out of habit mostly...it's a feel-good thing.

 

[ElAzul]

I use Lucas grease on the hubs on all my single axle trailers

You ever loan them out? Asking for a friend

 

[Bigbore500r]

You ever loan them out? Asking for a friend

He can't afford to loan out an axle, it only has one.....

 

[Your ad here]

Always prefill or pre oil (drill) new engines get Lucas breakin and never cheap oil ... if your not paying north of 6 bucks a quart your probably buying cheap oil

I buy 5 gallons for $55. $2.75 a quart. You have to match the oil to the application. Expensive rotella aerates with my hydraulic injectors and it smells wiped out at 5k miles. Engine runs smoother and oil is just black at 5k miles with Travellers oil from TSC.

 

[lbhsbz]

You ever loan them out? Asking for a friend

Never been asked...trailer borrowers must be snobs who only want to borrow triple axle trailers.

 

[rivermobster]

I buy 5 gallons for $55. $2.75 a quart. You have to match the oil to the application. Expensive rotella aerates with my hydraulic injectors and it smells wiped out at 5k miles. Engine runs smoother and oil is just black at 5k miles with Travellers oil from TSC.

According to the inteweb, you're buying cheap oil...

You should be adding Lucus Cost Additive to improve your standing on this board.

I hope you learned something today.

 

[RiverDave]

He’s under fire from all sides on this additive crap lol.

LOL.. Like I said I don't care if people use it or not. I just parroted what the chemists told me at Lucas

RD

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

According to the inteweb, you're buying cheap oil...

You should be adding Lucus Cost Additive to improve your standing on this board.

I hope you learned something today.

Lol well played.

 

[rrrr]

The real question is, does a car battery discharge when you set it down on concrete?

There are still many people that'll argue about this subject for hours. Most in that category don't even know the origin of the claim, or (if it was true), what process would allow the battery to discharge by placing it on a concrete slab.

 

[Your ad here]

According to the inteweb, you're buying cheap oil...

You should be adding Lucus Cost Additive to improve your standing on this board.

I hope you learned something today.

I am buying cheap oil. Compare it to other brands. Was just at autozone and 2.5 gallons of Delo 400 is $67. So yeah the stuff I buy is cheap, cost wise. I dont buy into the additives or high mileage oils. Oil is a cleaner and lubricant that wears with use and needs changing. Been running regular nothing special oil in my truck. Change it every 5k miles and still have the original HEUI injectors with 446K miles.

 

[rivermobster]

I am buying cheap oil. Compare it to other brands. Was just at autozone and 2.5 gallons of Delo 400 is $67. So yeah the stuff I buy is cheap, cost wise. I dont buy into the additives or high mileage oils. Oil is a cleaner and lubricant that wears with use and needs changing. Been running regular nothing special oil in my truck. Change it every 5k miles and still have the original HEUI injectors with 446K miles.

It was joke bro...

I was making fun of someone, but it certainly was not you!!!

 

[Your ad here]

It was joke bro...

I was making fun of someone, but it certainly was not you!!!

I know. I'm throwing a hook out there to see if I get any bites.

 

[rivermobster]

I know. I'm throwing a hook out there to see if I get any bites.

You need to get some Lucas Fish Bait for that. Works great on treble hook!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You need to get some Lucas Fish Bait for that. Works great on treble hook!

The fish just stick to the hook as they swim by.

 

[lbhsbz]

The fish just stick to the hook as they swim by.

I heard it makes them slip off

 

[boatnam2]

What about if your running a 3/4 race cam, don't want that shit to end up 5/8!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

What about if your running a 3/4 race cam, don't want that shit to end up 5/8!

If you pour in enough Lucas oil stabilizer the 3/4 cam will end up 7/8 I'm told.

 

[boatnam2]

If you pour in enough Lucas oil stabilizer the 3/4 cam will end up 7/8 I'm told.

Might rub some Lucas on it!

 

[Go-Fly]

There are still many people that'll argue about this subject for hours. Most in that category don't even know the origin of the claim, or (if it was true), what process would allow the battery to discharge by placing it on a concrete slab.

I had a friend in high school that got fired from Wards Auto Center when he left a customers battery on the concrete without a board under it. Myself, I don't want a pussy battery that can't spend the night on a cold concrete floor like some of us have, after coming home drunk and the wife wouldn't let us in the house so we have to sleep in the garage but, lets not go there again.

 

[DRYHEAT]

I only run Walmart oil it’s the best!

 

[HST4ME]

I had a friend in high school that got fired from Wards Auto Center when he left a customers battery on the concrete without a board under it. Myself, I don't want a pussy battery that can't spend the night on a cold concrete floor like some of us have, after coming home drunk and the wife wouldn't let us in the house so we have to sleep in the garage but, lets not go there again.

I had a white deka for 12 years that was taken out of the boat in November..put in my basement on the concrete floor and put back in the boat in may. A charger might have touched that battery twice.

 

[rrrr]

Unless HST4ME's battery was made in the middle of the 20th century, storing it on concrete has no effect on its ability to hold a charge.

For you youngsters out there, the canard that batteries would discharge if placed on concrete goes back well over sixty years, when battery cases were made from steel covered with materials containing natural rubber compounds.

The rubber based compounds would develop microscopic cracks, and the small amount of leaked electrolyte was conductive. When the battery was placed on dirty concrete floors or dirt garage floors, the leakage current would discharge the battery over time. Placing the battery on wood, which is obviously non-conductive, would prevent the discharge.

There are still those who swear modern batteries are susceptible to this condition, but plastic cases solved the issue in the late fifties and early sixties.

Now get off my lawn.

 

[Sharp Shooter]

Fill your filters kids. Oh wait, I forgot where I was.... Let's try this again, ok Riverdavers, have your service station employee fill up your oil filters.

 

[Outdrive1]

A lot of Mercruiser stuff is mounted upside down. This thread reminds me of the pre oilers people used to have. I’d say no to pre filling an oil filter. There’s no load at start up….

 

[jetboatperformance]

Always prefill our filters (except vertical or horizontal in which case we crank with ignition disabled for OP ) We "drill pre" oil all new builds , we soak lifters as well . And now all builds get a special breakin oil for initial start up/run in . We changed this recently after a very long discussion/conference Josh and I had with Comp cams/Edelbrock executive Tech VP

EDIT : Ask your self (knowing that the purpose of the oil is to create a barrier/lubricate between rotating metal parts , why would one EVER want to "dry run" two expensive metal parts against each other in that "moment" just prior to the oil pump filling the filter ???

 

[DaveH]

based on this i should probably be prefilling my tires with air before mounting them on the rim.

 

[was thatguy]

based on this i should probably be prefilling my tires with air before mounting them on the rim.

The air in your tire does not lubricant a bearing.

 

[rivermobster]

I store my cams on their side unless it’s for an extended duration. It’s all about timing

Holy fuck...

Old post, but I gotta give you double Extra credit for this one!!!

 

[OCMerrill]

Rotella just plain stinks. Its a fact based on my own nose. Its also currently stupid expensive right now.
We do run the Lucas 15-40 high zinc in my old 2004 Cummins Ram. I run 5w-40 Valvoline in my 2018 Cummins Ram.

Sometimes I prefill the filters and sometimes I dont. In the 2018 you have to go through the fender well with the 1 qt. filter on an angle with a special screw in cap so why bother dealing with that cap bullshit twice.

I have Blackstone lab reports on my 2018 for every oil change except the last one. Skipped the $35 bucks because they are always very similar. Oil changed every 10k even though the manual says 15k. The 2004 is yearly because my son rides his Harley daily and only puts a couple k on it a year.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

So this thread established that the outside of a filter is the dirty side and the inside is the clean side.

So the next topic for debate: Do you filter the oil hot out of the engine or after it’s gone through the cooler?

 

[530RL]

Many modern cars primarily with dry sump engines or vertical and/or horizontal filter placements, but not all, have ignition disconnect when cranking the engine with the throttle fully depressed.

In those cases filling the filter is no longer necessary after a filter change or when sitting for extended times as those clever engineers designed a solution.

But that does unfortunately require reading the manual.

 

[welldigger00]

I’m just stoked to have a dead and buried thread pop back up that ive started. Still gonna pre fill. It’s all about the four R’s according to the vid…