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I’m looking for long term rental opportunities in Havasu. My concern (one of them) is that when all these STR slow down they will get converted to LTR. It will put doward pressure on rents which are actually pretty low in relation to home prices.

I’m seeing some 700k RV/Pool homes and 150k lots. If these lots get to 100k, the ballers will swoop in and buy every one.



When?!

I’m in the same boat. I’m very interested to see what the LTR rents do. I’ll be covered on my current doors either way, I’m actually under market on them now, but I’m waiting for the equation to be right again in Havasu before buying more doors there.
 

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Nobody on here is saying its all roses and going to stay the same or go up. They are saying it's not going to be like 2008-2010. The other group is saying prepare for a huge crash like 2008-2010.

The loan rates and qualifications last few years were nothing like 2005-07.

But you never know we got a shitty president he might just fuck our economy beyond repair. I hope not but can't control it. If he does back to 20 plus river trips a year and vacation every weekend like Obama days.
The latest BS inflation reduction bill along with the Ca stimulus in Oct isn’t gonna help much. It’ll throw some gas on the inflation fire which will mean another tick up in interest rates right at midterms. What will be interesting is what do they do in 2024. If home prices are falling and inflation is still out of control there will be a shit storm of activity to get votes
 

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Quick question. Anyone sell based on this thread? Anyone jump out and holding cash waiting for the drop? What did you do with the cash?
 

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Nobody on here is saying its all roses and going to stay the same or go up. They are saying it's not going to be like 2008-2010. The other group is saying prepare for a huge crash like 2008-2010.

The loan rates and qualifications last few years were nothing like 2005-07.

But you never know we got a shitty president he might just fuck our economy beyond repair. I hope not but can't control it. If he does back to 20 plus river trips a year and vacation every weekend like Obama days.

Very well put.
 

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Quick question. Anyone sell based on this thread? Anyone jump out and holding cash waiting for the drop? What did you do with the cash?
 

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Quick question. Anyone sell based on this thread? Anyone jump out and holding cash waiting for the drop? What did you do with the cash?

I sold before this thread figuring a drop was coming based on rates and am holding cash. Does that count? We were originally going to move in June/July.

I’m waiting and looking for an opportunity that makes sense, not necessarily a drop. The bottom of this cycle I feel will have housing as the last thing to bottom out. That could take awhile.. or not.

Honestly holding the money up to about a month ago worked out OK as the market was crap, and that is where I would have put it. I’m about to put it back in until I’m ready to use it.

Wife wants to light a bunch of it on fire and build a pool.
 
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You know I sure thought the same thing, and my overall outlook (privately) was probably more grim than anyones on here. I moved here in 2011 and I remember what the housing market was like here as a buyer. I was a predator in a sea of prey, and it was easy Pickens.


Now I want to point something out to @angiebaby @PaPaG, and many others before I circle around to what I have to say. I have read many many times in this thread and others that the people relative to the "RE Industry" (without exception) have posted on here or claimed time and time again that the worlds full of rainbows as the sky is falling around us.. Everything is gonna be just fine, and post up some abstract #'s that paint a rosy outlook, while others see the shades of red as the blood of homeowners.


I own a real estate team, along side my wife. Without sounding arrogant, but rather humbled, because a large portion of that business comes from this very website.. We do a very large amount of RE business in Lake Havasu. Last year was about 91 Million the bulk of which was in LHC.

This thread is kind of all over the board, but it does seem (for some reason) that people are equating the Havasu market with the entire country.. (Which is absolutely crazy to me, because this market has been under extreme extenuating circumstances sense covid)

Never once, have you seen me say on here "Things are going to be just fine!! C'mon out and buy a house!" You haven't seen anyone on TRDP (to my knowledge) come on here and say something asinine like that. If your RE Agent is telling you shit like that, or your lender they aren't working for you, they are working for themselves.

It isn't the job of an RE agent or anyone in the RE Fields to be a Financial Advisor, or Financial Planner. The only job of an RE Agent is to Market the house (show the qualities of the house to as many people as possible) and try to get the most money for it, or inversely to find a property that is suitable for the client and negotiate the best possible deal for your client. In both directions to make sure that the client doesn't fall into the thousands of potential pitfalls (legal and otherwise) that come along with Real Estate transactions. (Which could be a thread all it's own)


To get to the point of what I was going to say.. Yes we have been getting a ton of listings lately (indicating a shift towards a buyers market). Right about the time I would think (privately) the sky is gonna fall!!

A bunch of buyers in a flurry come online. LOL.. Which is all the phone calls THIS WEEK of people now again wanting to spend money in Lake Havasu. (In real time things are flip flopping day to day)

To watch these threads, is absolutely incredible. Seeing the reports brought up, and scouring the data.. Listening to some of the extremely educated opinions (in some cases over educated?) than watching guys like @DrunkenSailor come on here and make a post. (Is that even English? I think I'll just go sit in a corner and put my dunce hat on)

At the end of the day though, all that data, all that passion, all that typing... and I can't honestly say sitting where I'm sitting that not anyone of them has actually been "conclusively right."

Anyhow to reiterate the point more directly.. Not "every" RE person has been shouting from the rooftops that everything is gonna be roses. Strangely the ones doing a considerable amount of business remember the first day of RE school.. We aren't financial advisors.

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Lmao thanks I think.... Sometimes I forget that the world isn't as absorbed with spreads, swaps, and economic impact reports as I am....

I will be the first to admit I have been consistently wrong. The funny thing is I really haven't been that far off the world has just gone weird.

In the last year the Dow has lost more points than it did in the great recession. Percentage of total market cap it wasn't close, but still an interesting thing to consider as it was actually larger in terms of dollars as the total market cap is so much larger.

Over 3 days in may 2022 ending on the 9th 6 tech stocks alone lost over a trillion dollars in market cap. Any other time in history this event would have been given a name and it would be in a history book as one of the largest market crashes of all time.

For comparison black Tuesday that kicked off the great depression was 14 billion dollars.

September 28th 2008 13 days after Lehman folded kicking off the great recession 1.2 trillion.

Today... Nothing happens.... The financial markets don't screech to a halt.... There's no runs on banks.... Lending doesn't freeze.... The market has gotten so large a trillion dollars in loss over 3 days doesn't affect it.

At this point I'm just saying f-it and enjoying the ride. We will see where it goes and I will be in the best position possible to take advantage of what I can when the music stops. Until then yee fucking ha!
 

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I sold before this thread figuring a drop was coming based on rates and am holding cash. Does that count? We were originally going to move in June/July.

I’m waiting and looking for an opportunity that makes sense, not necessarily a drop. The bottom of this cycle I feel will have housing as the last thing to bottom out. That could take awhile.. or not.

Honestly holding the money up to about a month ago worked out OK as the market was crap, and that is where I would have put it. I’m about to put it back in until I’m ready to use it.

Wife wants to light a bunch of it on fire and build a pool.
Is it going to be a warm pool? 😬
 

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Lmao thanks I think.... Sometimes I forget that the world isn't as absorbed with spreads, swaps, and economic impact reports as I am....

I will be the first to admit I have been consistently wrong. The funny thing is I really haven't been that far off the world has just gone weird.

In the last year the Dow has lost more points than it did in the great recession. Percentage of total market cap it wasn't close, but still an interesting thing to consider as it was actually larger in terms of dollars as the total market cap is so much larger.

Over 3 days in may 2022 ending on the 9th 6 tech stocks alone lost over a trillion dollars in market cap. Any other time in history this event would have been given a name and it would be in a history book as one of the largest market crashes of all time.

For comparison black Tuesday that kicked off the great depression was 14 billion dollars.

September 28th 2008 13 days after Lehman folded kicking off the great recession 1.2 trillion.

Today... Nothing happens.... The financial markets don't screech to a halt.... There's no runs on banks.... Lending doesn't freeze.... The market has gotten so large a trillion dollars in loss over 3 days doesn't affect it.

At this point I'm just saying f-it and enjoying the ride. We will see where it goes and I will be in the best position possible to take advantage of what I can when the music stops. Until then yee fucking ha!
market is not over leveraged so it was able to shake it off. Lots of institutional and retirement money in it for the long haul. That’s my theory. For real estate the weak or newer investors are the ones that will drop their prices until the property sells. Experienced investors and institutional money won’t do that. Also maybe people at retirement or people who just want out of CA I don’t see there being enough of these sellers to cause serious price drops. I also think this real estate cycle will go a lot quicker than past ones cause people have better information and adapt a lot quicker now than in the past.
 

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I’m looking for long term rental opportunities in Havasu. My concern (one of them) is that when all these STR slow down they will get converted to LTR. It will put doward pressure on rents which are actually pretty low in relation to home prices.

I’m seeing some 700k RV/Pool homes and 150k lots. If these lots get to 100k, the ballers will swoop in and buy every one.
I think that the LTR market is still limited. When we stopped using our house as a LTR the tenants were having a hard time finding a property to move to. The big question is are there enough STR being converted and Chang pricing of the LTR? In a small toon it could happen with a few hundred moves. I am thankful that our plan worked at the time. We bought 2.5 years ago before the spike rented and converted to primary after the first year. Best of luck in your search!
 

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I think the stock market has risen about 11-12% since page 10 of this thread

No one mentioned that
Market has been on what I think is in a bear market bounce, last 4 weeks of very good increases, last 8 months have been a day traders dream. Recent quarterlies for retailers have shown a lot have same or higher sales numbers but the profit margins are much lower, moving more product they had in stock or ordered during covid for less profit. Some of the experts are saying this is 1979 all over again. Great time to make life long investments or short term profits.
 

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Sunday afternoon there was a good cell that came through-we were skiing and then waiting for the water to come up a bit sitting on the beach, but got the boat out of the water real quick when that popped up. I'll try to post a video- I was like.... yeah looks like about 3 minutes to the girls and it was more like 2 when I got up to move the trailer . It was semi- cloudy water till Topock on Monday , then brown from there down to Havasu. I didn't head as far S on Tue. though. Crowds and water level way down from the last 4-5 seasons for sure. Love the 1-3 unit water level for the crowd factor compared to last years 7 month long 5 unit water dump .
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Crazy stuff, we were sitting on our patio watching some of the craziness til it got so bad the rain was blasting across 27 feet of patio hitting the house, and then what we think was a microburst came by...that was nuts.
 
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Market has been on what I think is in a bear market bounce, last 4 weeks of very good increases, last 8 months have been a day traders dream. Recent quarterlies for retailers have shown a lot have same or higher sales numbers but the profit margins are much lower, moving more product they had in stock or ordered during covid for less profit. Some of the experts are saying this is 1979 all over again. Great time to make life long investments or short term profits.
Yeah my point was that 11-12% is nice bounce and yet only the negative news gets the headlines.
 

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Yeah my point was that 11-12% is nice bounce and yet only the negative news gets the headlines.
I day trade so I see the positives and negatives being reported in the financial news and shows every single day. Both sides are reported constantly.
 

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Economic release just out.
July existing home sales fell 5.9%, the 6th consecutive monthly fall. Sales fell 20.2% YoY, to the lowest level since Nov. 2015.
Leading economic indicators fell for the 5th month in a row, a losing streak not seen since the Great Recession of 2008.

That is all for now.
 

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Yes it’s like a car collection don’t get to attached everythings for sale and don’t get greedy stocks and of course my grandsons
 

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I day trade so I see the positives and negatives being reported in the financial news and shows every single day. Both sides are reported constantly.

Yes

When I said " Headlines " I meant msm, social media fear porn etc.

Good news is never sexy as they say "if it bleeds it leads"

But I get it that is how they gate paid, they need to aggregate eyeballs.

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I'll tell you what, i just got quoted on run of the mill 5052 aluminum sheet at around $10.50 a pound.... :oops:

For those that don't know, historically this product runs about $2.50/lb. Maybe $3 max. In 2006 i think it might have gotten as high as 5 before shit hit the fan back then....

Something is gonna give, and it's gonna give hard.
 

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Not if he invested in the stock market. He could have easily gained 50%+ on his money not leaving a penny on the table and making much more. NO ONE knows what or how others invest their money and the outcome unless stated.

Woulda made that on the house from 19-21/22. Possibly even higher. 😳
 

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Woulda made that on the house from 19-21/22. Possibly even higher. 😳
Yes true but he could have easily made 20-30% or higher year over year in the last 3 years in the stock market. Not uncommon for good day traders to make that kind of money and up during this last 3 years of crazy markets. I have no clue what he sold the house for and what that same house would sell for today, would be interesting to compare market vs market.
 
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today market it’s value Zillow 947 yes it went up 200 since I sold it but I had a plan but it didn’t pan out no bidding game for me . It’s Friday heading to Vegas
 

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I'll tell you what, i just got quoted on run of the mill 5052 aluminum sheet at around $10.50 a pound.... :oops:

For those that don't know, historically this product runs about $2.50/lb. Maybe $3 max. In 2006 i think it might have gotten as high as 5 before shit hit the fan back then....

Something is gonna give, and it's gonna give hard.

Respect the Lag.
Only do what is necessary in the meantime. Jmo.
They're already leaning towards another .75 bp hike for Sept. and nearly every major technical economic indicator has already started rolling over.
This is a 6 month - 12 month - 18 month story.
We have a long ways to go to get to the fed target of 2.5% inflation.


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today market it’s value Zillow 947 yes it went up 200 since I sold it but I had a plan but it didn’t pan out no bidding game for me . It’s Friday heading to Vegas
Drive safe, wife went up to Vegas yesterday, crazy monsoon weather through the dry lake beds and tons of flooding just before boulder city on the hwy and even crazier in Vegas central last night.
 

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Woulda made that on the house from 19-21/22. Possibly even higher. 😳
Looks like the increase if he kept it and sold it now would be 26% increase total in 3 years. I would rather take the % gained in the market day trading this last 3 years that is for sure.
 

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Drive safe, wife went up to Vegas yesterday, crazy monsoon weather through the dry lake beds and tons of flooding just before boulder city on the hwy and even crazier in Vegas central last night.
You take Nipton Rd?
 

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Interesting take in this month’s B&D.
 

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Don’t forget if pricing increases for material or housing slows down as does home prices the builders want the subs to “adjust their prices” so that they still make the same profit at the cost of the subs. Lennar was doing this in so cal years ago.

If subs didn’t do so they weren’t allowed to bid on future jobs.
I lived that Lennar BS. One of the many mistakes I made in that business was working for them.
 

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“We got fucked in 2008 and now is our time” is the majority of what I’m reading.

Problem is, history tells us by the time you’ve (average citizen) figured out the game, they change the rules.

Grandparents of the Great Depression spent their lifetime waiting for it to happen again and it never did.
That is a pretty good observation. I would tweak it just a little. I fawked up in 2008; I don't want to make the same mistake, playing this time differently. I've no idea if it will work out, but my definition of success is fairly limited in scope. I simply want to time a bounce to a better position for retirement and maybe earn back some of the losses.


It sure is a shame we are limited in our time on this rock, and in my case, it took years to learn lessons I could have used twenty years ago.
 

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Never once, have you seen me say on here "Things are going to be just fine!! C'mon out and buy a house!" You haven't seen anyone on TRDP (to my knowledge) come on here and say something asinine like that. If your RE Agent is telling you shit like that, or your lender they aren't working for you, they are working for themselves.

Anyhow to reiterate the point more directly.. Not "every" RE person has been shouting from the rooftops that everything is gonna be roses. Strangely the ones doing a considerable amount of business remember the first day of RE school.. We aren't financial advisors.

You are correct, Dave. I should not have lumped all RE agents on the board together in that statement. I feel you have been very honest in your assessment and shared valuable insight with everyone here. However, there are a couple of agents here who have done exactly what I stated in my previous post. That is who my comment was directed towards. But certainly, not all are saying that. I chatted with an agent socially two nights ago in N. Idaho, and she stated that everything has completely stopped over there. Six months ago it was the hottest housing market in the nation, according to WSJ.

I have some very good friends who have been in the industry a long time, and I trust their opinion on real estate issues. I have conducted transactions with them because of this trust. My brother and mother-in-law who are also agents? Not so much. My brother will do and say anything to make a sale, even to us. Example: we were interested in a house that was a little too close to the railroad tracks for comfort (in N. Idaho). So we asked him about it. "Oh, it's just a spur line and hardly sees any trains." We did our own investigating and found out it's not a spur, it's a hub. Trains run through there all day and night. Thanks, bro.

So, like with everything, there are good ones who are honest and actually have the best interest of their clients at heart, and others who do whatever it takes to get the sale. Both types are represented on this board, which is no surprise.

I apologize if I offended you with what appeared to be a blanket statement.
 
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That is a pretty good observation. I would tweak it just a little. I fawked up in 2008; I don't want to make the same mistake, playing this time differently. I've no idea if it will work out, but my definition of success is fairly limited in scope. I simply want to time a bounce to a better position for retirement and maybe earn back some of the losses.


It sure is a shame we are limited in our time on this rock, and in my case, it took years to learn lessons I could have used twenty years ago.

There are also quite a few of who either didn’t screw the pooch in 2008 or were too young and at least watched and learned some lessons.

I’ve watched some people around me lose twice because they lost in 08 and don’t know how or are paralyzed by fear to capitalize when conditions are right.
 
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There are also quite a few of who either didn’t screw the pooch in 2008 or were too young and at least watched and learned some lessons.

I’ve watched some people around me lose twice because they lost in 08 and don’t know how or a paralyzed by fear to capitalize when conditions are right.
Good friend of mine is in lending business he went through 2008 did fine. It last few years working like crazy stacking cash his office closed up went remote working laid off a few as well. He told me before some co workers had the attitude it ain’t gonna slow down etc he told them save now gonna get rough we’ll they slowed or got laid off. He’s in a good spot planned ahead now has the time and money to do things again. But said whoever says it’s busy is full of shit
 

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Good friend of mine is in lending business he went through 2008 did fine. It last few years working like crazy stacking cash his office closed up went remote working laid off a few as well. He told me before some co workers had the attitude it ain’t gonna slow down etc he told them save now gonna get rough we’ll they slowed or got laid off. He’s in a good spot planned ahead now has the time and money to do things again. But said whoever says it’s busy is full of shit

Agreed.
 

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That is a pretty good observation. I would tweak it just a little. I fawked up in 2008; I don't want to make the same mistake, playing this time differently. I've no idea if it will work out, but my definition of success is fairly limited in scope. I simply want to time a bounce to a better position for retirement and maybe earn back some of the losses.


It sure is a shame we are limited in our time on this rock, and in my case, it took years to learn lessons I could have used twenty years ago.
The mistakes are made, and the wise learn from them. I was hit hard enough last go around that I feared losing the ability to have a home or food for my young kids. "Retirement" was never a goal, survival was. I am happy I attained that one. No matter what happens, I know that part is set. Not a life of luxury, but not one worried about the next big hit, or hoping for the next big job.

Time being limited on this rock isn't a problem for me. Too long, and you'll have too much time on either side of those few golden years. What bothers me, isn't the idea of the time running out, but not knowing when it may.
 

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You are correct, Dave. I should not have lumped all RE agents on the board together in that statement. You've been very honest in your assessment and shared valuable information with everyone here. However, there are a couple of agents here who have done exactly what I stated in my previous post. That is who my comment was directed towards. But certainly, not all are saying that. I chatted with an agent socially two nights ago in N. Idaho, and she stated that everything has completely stopped over there. Six months ago it was the hottest housing market in the nation, according to WSJ.

I have some very good friends who have been in the industry a long time, and I trust their opinion on real estate issues. I have conducted transactions with them because of this trust. My brother and mother-in-law who are also agents? Not so much. My brother will do and say anything to make a sale, even to us. Example: we were interested in a house that was a little too close to the railroad tracks for comfort (in N. Idaho). So we asked him about it. "Oh, it's just a spur line and hardly sees any trains." We did our own investigating and found out it's not a spur, it's a hub. Trains run through there all day and night. Thanks, bro.

So, like with everything, there are good ones who are honest and actually have the best interest of their clients at heart, and others who do whatever it takes to get the sale. Both types are represented on this board, which is no surprise.

I apologize if I offended you with what appeared to be a blanket statement.
Good Post, from everything I have seen to date Dave, his wife and her crew are some of the honest ones and are not afraid to state what they think not out of trying to con a potential client but give their honest opinions on trends and market temperament. My wife is a broker in NV and Cali and she typically handles part of my investment sales and purchases but we also use outside agents when we do not want to deal with the headache of a purchase or sale. I have dealt with many agents that try hyping the roses are red at all times in the market opinion and their narrative of a great market ahead when every indicator stated otherwise. I have also dealt with some great agents that told it like it is up or down market and I greatly respect and appreciate them. My thoughts are that a good honest agent can make a very good living weather the market is going up or down and most clients will always remember a good agent or agency.
 

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My moms house listing went live on Friday, she had an open house Friday, Saturday, and Sunday morning....as of today, 1 offer at $50k less then asking, and no personal showing from her realtor or any others...her realtor told her that they would get an offer within 2 days of listing....

My moms house sold exactly one month from the time she listed it...she had it on the market for $729k and accepted an offer for $719k....not a bad deal because she bought the house in 2016 for $445k
 

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My moms house sold exactly one month from the time she listed it...she had it on the market for $729k and accepted an offer for $719k....not a bad deal because she bought the house in 2016 for $445k

Congrats to your mom.

Did you advise her of the horrible market conditions and that she would need to drop her price 1% to get it to move?
 

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Thankfully No, we always go straight up the 95 through Searchlight route to Vegas.
better off going through kingman this time of year, in fact better off going that wayy all the thime...there's no flood zones... it's quicker, and you don't have sleepy truckers and old guys in rv's coming at you head on...there's more places to stop, and you never have to drive on cal hiways...and no inspection station.. I know it's hard to make a right at the 40, it just seems like you're going the wrong way...a couple miles farter.... but quicker and better roads...
 

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Congrats to your mom.

Did you advise her of the horrible market conditions and that she would need to drop her price 1% to get it to move?

Based on this thread I told her to hold on to her hat and probably would have to reduce her asking price by 50%.....good thing she's a stubborn old lady and doesn't listen to me or wear hats....lol
 
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