Governments greatest failure in our lifetimes....

[Uncle Dave]

Im blaming everyone State, Fed, Repub, Dems....the intelligence agencies - ALL OF THEM.

We spy on our everyone and have spent so much money our NSA can record and analyze almost every phone call in the world concurrently, as well as track people around the globe in real time.

We saw and knew this was unfolding months ago and didnt sum up what would happen enough to actually proactively manage it - but we waited operated reactively..

This was a TOTAL FAIL of our combined leadership and agencies.

UD

 

[94Nautique]

Agreed. This should once and for all confirm that government CAN NOT change the climate, no matter how much money they have.

I do believe the US is in a whole lot better position as it relates to this virus than the majority of the world. Will be interesting to see the spy plane photos and the secret mass graves in China. (though I've heard there are a ton of places in China that were relatively untouched, but thats another story)

 

[RCDave]

Im blaming everyone State, Fed, Repub, Dems....the intelligence agencies - ALL OF THEM.

We spy on our everyone and have spent so much money our NSA can record and analyze almost every phone call in the world concurrently, as well as track people around the globe in real time.

We saw and knew this was unfolding months ago and didnt sum up what would happen enough to actually proactively manage it - but we waited operated reactively..

This was a TOTAL FAIL of our combined leadership and agencies.

UD

What has the government managed that hasn't turned to shit...congress cannot even balance their own checkbooks.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I dont believe china was or is being honest.

I dont feel we were prepared well at all - the messaging to stay home was late, and we are still short ventilators gloves and masks.

UD

 

[squeezer]

Im blaming everyone State, Fed, Repub, Dems....the intelligence agencies - ALL OF THEM.

We spy on our everyone and have spent so much money our NSA can record and analyze almost every phone call in the world concurrently, as well as track people around the globe in real time.

We saw and knew this was unfolding months ago and didnt sum up what would happen enough to actually proactively manage it - but we waited operated reactively..

This was a TOTAL FAIL of our combined leadership and agencies.

UD

This wasn't a failure... It was pure sabotage.

How many Fortune 500 CEO's stepped down after being briefed on this issue two months back?

How many Congressmen and Senators sold stock?

Trump is not responsible for this mess but he has proven to be a very useful idiot.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I think we are expecting too much of government. When had there been a proactive response to anything ever?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

This wasn't a failure... It was pure sabotage.

How many Fortune 500 CEO's stepped down after being briefed on this issue two months back?

How many Congressmen and Senators sold stock?

Trump is not responsible for this mess but he has proven to be a very useful idiot.

Our infection and death rates are lower than the models said they would be at the end of March. So how has Trump (who is not responsible for the mess) been an idiot?

 

[regor]

This wasn't a failure... It was pure sabotage.

How many Fortune 500 CEO's stepped down after being briefed on this issue two months back?

How many Congressmen and Senators sold stock?

Trump is not responsible for this mess but he has proven to be a very useful idiot.

Damn Squeaky, you were close!!!!!!!

 

[YumaRivernaut]

Im blaming everyone State, Fed, Repub, Dems....the intelligence agencies - ALL OF THEM.

We spy on our everyone and have spent so much money our NSA can record and analyze almost every phone call in the world concurrently, as well as track people around the globe in real time.

We saw and knew this was unfolding months ago and didnt sum up what would happen enough to actually proactively manage it - but we waited operated reactively..

This was a TOTAL FAIL of our combined leadership and agencies.

UD

Once one comprehends, comes terms with and accepts that this, as well as everything else, is/was planned it all makes sense out of nonsense. This was an intentional act of war on humanity with release of an genetically engineered bioweapon.
There are no coincidences.
It is what it is.
Ordo ab Chaos.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I haven't seen compelling evidence it was engineered.

It seems yet another from the same family and same place Sars and Mers came from - a wet market in Asia.

More of a result of lax practices and control over a food chain.

UD

 

[Sandlord]

Once one comprehends, comes terms with and accepts that this, as well as everything else, is/was planned it all makes sense out of nonsense. This was an intentional act of war on humanity with release of an genetically engineered bioweapon.
There are no coincidences.
It is what it is.
Ordo ab Chaos.

Sen Tom Cotton was just on the news (Martha MacCallum) and confirmed that the virus did not originate in the food market, it was introduced there. He said China has confirmed this as well.

 

[YumaRivernaut]

I haven't seen compelling evidence it was engineered.

It seems yet another from the same family and same place Sars and Mers came from - a wet market in Asia.

More of a result of lax practices and control over a food chain.

UD

I have posted numerous links to examples of evidence of it being genetically engineered. The mainstream media notion of it being caused by the consumption of bats or other animals in the food chain is complete bullshit and has been so proven.
It is an enhanced virus that was intentionally released from a known level 4 bioweapons laboratory in Wuhan, China. SARS, MERS and Swine flu were test runs.
If one is not seeking true information one certainly will not know of it. Always question the integrity of ones sources.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I missed those, but have seen some from less than credible sources.

IF this is true I would think some government somewhere would declare this an act of war, or urge that be brought to the UN as such.

Usually the Russians are pretty good at sniffing out bio weapons...



UD

 

[YumaRivernaut]

Trump is not responsible for this mess but he has proven to be a very useful idiot.

So how has Trump (who is not responsible for the mess) been an idiot?

Apparently he called a virus that originated in China, a "China Virus".

 

[Uncle Dave]

Trump hasn't been shy of calling the ball, if he believed is was an engineered virus wouldn't he likely consider it an act of war and try to convince the world of the same?

Wouldn't the mayors of majors cities be on board with the engineered virus program?

The US (My country) squandered at least a month of prep time before really doing anything.

Bad info?
lack of action on info?
lack of belief of info that was accurate?

Im wondering just what and how the flow of info went.

UD

 

[YumaRivernaut]

I missed those, but have seen some from less than credible sources.

IF this is true I would think some government somewhere would declare this an act of war, or urge that be brought to the UN as such.

Usually the Russians are pretty good at sniffing out bio weapons...



UD

Nobody declares war anymore. Yet, we are constantly at war whether it be economic or bloodletting. It is all done by proxy now.
The United Nations IS a huge part of the problem.
They should all be arrested and tried for crimes against humanity. It should be abolished with extreme prejudice never to exist in any way, shape or form again.

 

[YumaRivernaut]

Trump hasn't been shy of calling the ball, if he believed is was an engineered virus wouldn't he likely consider it an act of war and try to convince the world of the same?

Timing is key.
Give it time.
We shall see.

 

[530RL]

Trump hasn't been shy of calling the ball, if he believed is was an engineered virus wouldn't he likely consider it an act of war and try to convince the world of the same?

Wouldn't the mayors of majors cities be on board with the engineered virus program?

The US (My country) squandered at least a month of prep time before really doing anything.

Bad info?
lack of action on info?
lack of belief of info that was accurate?

Im wondering just what and how the flow of info went.

UD

The fact is that up until a week or so ago, many people in this nation both in federal government, state government, throughout the country and even people in here did not believe this virus was serious. They didn’t think what was happening to other countries would happen to us.

Some still believe that.

Nothing sinister about it. Everyone had the same information and those in charge came to a conclusion that in hindsight has been proven to be incorrect.

 

[Uncle Dave]

The fact is that up until a week or so ago, many people in this nation both in federal government, state government, throughout the country and even people in here did not believe this virus was serious. They didn’t think what was happening to other countries would happen to us.

Some still believe that.

Nothing sinister about it. Everyone had the same information and those in charge came to a conclusion that in hindsight has been proven to be incorrect.

The fact is that up until a week or so ago, many people in this nation both in federal government, state government, throughout the country and even people in here did not believe this virus was serious.

If this is true then our intelligence services didnt really see or understand what was happening - which is astonishingly incompetent.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Nobody declares war anymore. Yet, we are constantly at war whether it be economic or bloodletting. It is all done by proxy now.
The United Nations IS a huge part of the problem.
They should all be arrested and tried for crimes against humanity. It should be abolished with extreme prejudice never to exist in any way, shape or form again.

We've lived in a constant state of war and conflict our whole lives?

It seems to me some governor, mayor, or some news outlet would back the engineered virus story if they believed it true - but I haven't seen that happen.

 

[YumaRivernaut]

Everyone had the same information

Therein lies the problem.

 

[YumaRivernaut]

which is astonishingly incompetent.

Or very calculated.

 

[YumaRivernaut]

or some news outlet

 

[530RL]

The fact is that up until a week or so ago, many people in this nation both in federal government, state government, throughout the country and even people in here did not believe this virus was serious.

If this is true then our intelligence services didnt really see or understand what was happening - which is astonishingly incompetent.

The data was clearly there. The failure was in the decision making process.

It was an incompetent decision compared to other countries, and there will be plenty of time after all this is over for finger pointing.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

I think hindsight is an easy game to play.

 

[Uncle Dave]

The data was clearly there. The failure was in the decision making process.

It was an incompetent decision compared to other countries, and there will be plenty of time after all this is over for finger pointing.

Perhaps he was advised poorly.
Perhaps, he was advised well but failed to act.

We wasted well over a month of prep time to handle it.

UD

 

[squeezer]

The fact is that up until a week or so ago, many people in this nation both in federal government, state government, throughout the country and even people in here did not believe this virus was serious.

If this is true then our intelligence services didnt really see or understand what was happening - which is astonishingly https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ha...rnings-on-coronavirus-report-claims-1.8696044

The fact is that up until a week or so ago, many people in this nation both in federal government, state government, throughout the country and even people in here did not believe this virus was serious.

If this is true then our intelligence services didnt really see or understand what was happening - which is astonishingly incompetent.

There is in fact astonishing incompetence involved here... Spoiler Alert It’s NOT the intelegence services.

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[The Phantom]

The data was clearly there. The failure was in the decision making process.

It was an incompetent decision compared to other countries, and there will be plenty of time after all this is over for finger pointing.

Looks like you’re already finger-pointing Mr. Monday morning quarterback.

 

[regor]

hahaha so incompetent they called him a xenophobe for shutting the boarders to the Chicom fucks that started it......................... before anyone hahaha

F’ing clowns

 

[Uncle Dave]

There is in fact astonishing incompetence involved here... Spoiler Alert It’s NOT the intelegence services.eo

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I'd be interested to hear who delivered said report and what it actually said as well as what trumps advisors discussed.

Seems to me that neither the UK/EU/ Canada or Russia acted as though a pandemic was imminent.

It seems to have caught lots of government flat footed


UD

 

[RVR SWPR]

This wasn't a failure... It was pure sabotage.
How many Fortune 500 CEO's stepped down after being briefed on this issue two months back?
How many Congressmen and Senators sold stock?
Trump is not responsible for this mess but he has proven to be a very useful idiot.

Point out your choice.Then we will talk about who the Racist Socialist Idiot around here.Your fucked up Schtick is done.

 

[RodnJen]

So none of you personally use or financially benefit from the highway system or the good work of the Army Corp of Engineers? I know damn well you all benefit from the safety and efficiency of air travel.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Damm straight we benefit from the highway system A.C.E and Air travel....or I did when I could fly.

Whether we get all we pay for is always a valid question.



The stock selling needs to be investigated.

UD

 

[YumaRivernaut]

compared to other countries

What? LIKe your bedfellows the Chicoms?
Okay dude.

 

[YumaRivernaut]

The flawed, manipulated, omitted and/or fake data was clearly there

No charge.

 

[YumaRivernaut]

There is in fact astonishing incompetence involved here... Spoiler Alert It’s NOT the intelegence services.

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Your fucking stupid morons still want open borders.
Go guzzle a gallon of STFU.

 

[RodnJen]

Your fucking stupid morons still want open borders.
Go guzzle a gallon of STFU.

The only place I hear that is here. I have lots of liberal friends and here is THE only place.

 

[The Phantom]

This wasn't a failure... It was pure sabotage.

How many Fortune 500 CEO's stepped down after being briefed on this issue two months back?

How many Congressmen and Senators sold stock?

Trump is not responsible for this mess but he has proven to be a very useful idiot.

If you were president Mr. Squeezer everyone could call you an idiot.

 

[RodnJen]

If you were president Mr. Squeezer everyone could call you an idiot.

Perhaps but they would all have healthcare.

 

[94Nautique]

There is in fact astonishing incompetence involved here... Spoiler Alert It’s NOT the intelegence services.

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So none of you personally use or financially benefit from the highway system or the good work of the Army Corp of Engineers? I know damn well you all benefit from the safety and efficiency of air travel.

You didn’t make it. You did not earn that degree Rodn, the government did.

sorry, homey don’t play that

 

[RCDave]

I have lots of liberal friends.

I'm very very sorry....

 

[Racey]

In case anyone missed it, the WHO in January has issued statements that "The virus did not spread throught Human to Human contact", then a month or so later said "Governments failed to act in time". A crooked and corrupt NGO.

This whole thing has been a political war of optics, It has stunk to high heavan from day one.

The greatest failure will not be the lack of reaction to the virus, but the over reaction and panic brought about by the media.

Jan 14th: WHO Tweet "Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1217043229427761152

 

[YumaRivernaut]

Perhaps but they would all have healthcare.

Your stupid fucking morons are letting criminals OUT of jail while at the same time threatening US with JAIL if we dare not comply with theIir ever increasing Gestapo curfews.
Laugh it up demoncrap.
You people are goddamned dangerous.

 

[lbhsbz]

Your stupid fucking morons are letting criminals OUT of jail while at the same time threatening US with JAIL if we dare not comply with theIir ever increasing Gestapo curfews.
Laugh it up demoncrap.
You people are goddamned dangerous.

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[The Phantom]

There is in fact astonishing incompetence involved here... Spoiler Alert It’s NOT the intelegence services.

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Perhaps but they would all have healthcare.

Our infection and death rates are lower than the models said they would be at the end of March. So how has Trump (who is not responsible for the mess) been an idiot?

Because Mr. Squeezer said so!!!!!

 

[The Phantom]

Perhaps but they would all have healthcare.

Health care for all has been around for years.
Many people spend their money on the finer things in life yet cry they can’t afford quality health care. They expect quality health care for free.

 

[The Phantom]

The only place I hear that is here. I have lots of liberal friends and here is THE only place.

“You have lots of liberal friends”
Are you bragging or complaining?????

 

[Eliminator21vdrive]

First we only get the information they give.... Test in how the population can be controlled ? Last ditch effort in bringing down Don?

 

[Uncle Dave]

In case anyone missed it, the WHO in January has issued statements that "The virus did not spread throught Human to Human contact", then a month or so later said "Governments failed to act in time". A crooked and corrupt NGO.

This whole thing has been a political war of optics, It has stunk to high heavan from day one.

The greatest failure will not be the lack of reaction to the virus, but the over reaction and panic brought about by the media.

Always enjoy your feeback Racey.

I don't really trust the WHO either, in their 23rd brief they conceded it was human to human and gave it a transmissibility and mortality rating.

Statement on the meeting of the International Health Regulations (2005) Emergency Committee regarding the outbreak of novel coronavirus 2019 (n-CoV) on 23 January 2020

The meeting of the Emergency Committee convened by the WHO Director-General under the International Health Regulations (IHR) (2005) regarding the outbreak of novel coronavirus 2019 in the People’s Republic of China, with exportations currently reported in the Republic of Korea, Japan, Thailand...

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My feeling is that once it broke through Europe the countdown clock started for the US and we should have begun prepping for supplies, and tests needed and begun market stabilization right then and there.
As much as I dont trust or like the media, I cant fully blame them, this thing spread like wildfire at the end of summer.

Wall street falls on itself instantly like always - looking out for itself at the expense of all of us.

The Chinese knew how bad it was and hid it from everyone, but we can read license plates from space, and the amount of guys we have in intelligence should have seen/ heard/ known what was happening regardless of what was said by anyone. Maybe we did?

UD

 

[530RL]

Always enjoy your feeback Racey.

I don't really trust the WHO either, in their 23rd brief they conceded it was human to human and gave it a transmissibility and mortality rating.

Statement on the meeting of the International Health Regulations (2005) Emergency Committee regarding the outbreak of novel coronavirus 2019 (n-CoV) on 23 January 2020

The meeting of the Emergency Committee convened by the WHO Director-General under the International Health Regulations (IHR) (2005) regarding the outbreak of novel coronavirus 2019 in the People’s Republic of China, with exportations currently reported in the Republic of Korea, Japan, Thailand...

www.who.int

My feeling is that once it broke through Europe the countdown clock started for the US and we should have begun prepping for supplies, and tests needed and begun market stabilization right then and there.
As much as I dont trust or like the media, I cant fully blame them, this thing spread like wildfire at the end of summer.

Wall street falls on itself instantly like always - looking out for itself at the expense of all of us.

The Chinese knew how bad it was and hid it from everyone, but we can read license plates from space, and the amount of guys we have in intelligence should have seen/ heard/ known what was happening regardless of what was said by anyone. Maybe we did?

UD

I find the argument that China “hid” it very odd.

In our businesses we were getting warnings starting in December that there was a large outbreak of what they thought at the time was seasonal flu that would be affecting productivity and supplies prior to Chinese New Year shutdown in early February.

Then in mid January we were getting warnings that this was not seasonal flu but something much worse that would affect the resumption of production post Chinese New Year.

By the third week of January, it was clear to all in planning and production that this was a serious problem and everyone was scrambling to find ways to deal with the supply chain. On January 23rd, China started construction on a 1,000 bed hospital in Wuhan, which was widely reported throughout the world. And then it got worse and worse by the day, not by the week.

There was nothing hidden, it was in plain sight. You can’t hide daily production reports. You can’t hid the construction of a dozen field hospitals when they are on the worldwide news every day.