Governments greatest failure in our lifetimes....

[SNiC Jet]

Feb. 24th you fucking morons, Feb. 24th........................................... View attachment 860690

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Fucking moronic sheep

Don;t forget about Chucky and his Gang ....

 

[regor]

Bunch of f’ing TDS imbeciles.

 

[SNiC Jet]

Bunch of f’ing TDS imbeciles.

And then........They hold those suffering financially hostage until congress agreed to shove "dollars" in their panties as they perform lap dances on their constituents....

The Democrats should chose a more approperiate name for their "party"..........I suggest The "Scum of the Earth" Party.

 

[regor]

And then........They hold those suffering financially hostage until congress agreed to shove "dollars" in their panties as they perform lap dances on their constituents....

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The Democrats should chose a more approperiate name for their "party"..........I suggest The "Scum of the Earth" Party.

Bunch of f'ing TDS imbeciles.

 

[YumaRivernaut]

Hi! My name is Robert Redfield and I'm owned by big pharma and I'm the head fucking bureaucrat in charge of the CDC. I drug my feet on the COVID19 testing and then when I finally got it up and running I botched it, then had to start all over again because we were caught unprepared.
No worries! I fuck up, never lose my job, the dumb sheep never know who did it and best of all, they blame Trump! Lol!
Morons! Ha! Ha!

Hi! My name is Steven Hahn. I'm the head fucking bureaucrat in charge of the FDA. I'm owned by special interest groups. When it was apparent that there was a serious COVID 19 pandemic problem, I drug my feet and threw up dumb fucking regulations and restrictions on medical supplies, apparatuses and new medicines because I'm faceless, unelected and will never be fired for incompetence and best of all, the dumbass sheeple will blame Trump!
Lol!
Idiots! Ha! Ha!

 

[Racey]

Hi! My name is Robert Redfield and I'm owned by big pharma and I'm the head fucking bureaucrat in charge of the CDC. I drug my feet on the COVID19 testing and then when I finally got it up and running I botched it, then had to start all over again because we were caught unprepared.
No worries! I fuck up, never lose my job, the dumb sheep never know who did it and best of all, they blame Trump! Lol!
Morons! Ha! Ha!
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Hi! My name is Steven Hahn. I'm the head fucking bureaucrat in charge of the FDA. I'm owned by special interest groups. When it was apparent that there was a serious COVID 19 pandemic problem, I drug my feet and threw up dumb fucking regulations and restrictions on medical supplies, apparatuses and new medicines because I'm faceless, unelected and will never be fired for incompetence and best of all, the dumbass sheeple will blame Trump!
Lol!
Idiots! Ha! Ha!
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To be fair, Stephen Hahn was only sworn into office in mid December. Not exactly long enough to fix all the FDA's bureaucratic mess...

The regulations and restrictions on medical supplies existed long before Hahn was in office, and it actually took an act of congress to remove the liabilities of manufacturers of masks that "Weren't medically certified" from what i remember, not exactly his fault.

He may very well be the rest of what you said, but in the sake of fairness i think a little leeway is due on some of this shit.....

 

[Uncle Dave]

No loan packages are available yet to help pay for the forced 8 weeks pay the family first act requires.

Both banks my company uses (BOFA / Tri counties) report nothing in place to fill out or apply for.

Gov says " just keep paying" but isn't actually making the money available they said so you can...

UD

 

[The Phantom]

No loan packages are available yet to help pay for the forced 8 weeks pay the family first act requires.

Both banks my company uses (BOFA / Tri counties) report nothing in place to fill out or apply for.

Gov says " just keep paying" but isn't actually making the money available they said so you can...

UD

That’s what savings are for.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

No loan packages are available yet to help pay for the forced 8 weeks pay the family first act requires.

Both banks my company uses (BOFA / Tri counties) report nothing in place to fill out or apply for.

Gov says " just keep paying" but isn't actually making the money available they said so you can...

UD

UD I think you need to edit the title of this thread to

Governments greatest failure in our lifetimes.... so far....

 

[The Phantom]

UD I think you need to edit the title of this thread to

Governments greatest failure in our lifetimes.... so far....

The government has been successful for years ripping people off.

 

[Uncle Dave]

That’s what savings are for.

Dont disagree. Question is how long can companies pay without income?



UD

 

[YumaRivernaut]

To be fair, Stephen Hahn was only sworn into office in mid December. Not exactly long enough to fix all the FDA's bureaucratic mess...

The regulations and restrictions on medical supplies existed long before Hahn was in office, and it actually took an act of congress to remove the liabilities of manufacturers of masks that "Weren't medically certified" from what i remember, not exactly his fault.

He may very well be the rest of what you said, but in the sake of fairness i think a little leeway is due on some of this shit.....

I'll give him that.
My point is bureaucracy can and does kill.

 

[The Phantom]

Dont disagree. Question is how long can companies pay without income?



UD

Lots of variables on that one. Depends on the companies working capital. Some companies operate on a shoestring budget and cannot survive.

 

[regor]

Does this quality for the thread?

DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz notified FBI Director Christopher Wray on Monday that he "did not have confidence" that the agency was providing appropriate supporting documentation to back up assertions, after violations were found following a review of more than two dozens Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant applications, according to a publicly released memo.





"As a result of our audit work to date and as described below, we do not have confidence that the FBI has executed its Woods Procedures in compliance with FBI policy," wrote Horowitz in a Management Advisory Memorandum addressed to Way.


"Specifically, the Woods Procedures mandate compiling supporting documentation for each fact in the FISA application. Adherence to the Woods Procedures should result in such documentation as a means toward achievement of the FBI’s policy that FISA applications be 'scrupulously accurate.'"

 

[Carlson-jet]

Getting all fancy. The tree in the background could be far more productive for just the cost of a rope.
That, is fiscal responsibility.

 

[Uncle Dave]

With more deaths than 9/11 and total predicted greater than Vietnam and Korea - every single one of these guys failed us utterly.

The loan programs still aren't actually available to business.


UD

 

[The Phantom]

I'll give him that.
My point is bureaucracy can and does kill.

With more deaths than 9/11 and total predicted greater than Vietnam and Korea - every single one of these guys failed us utterly.

The loan programs still aren't actually available to business.


UD

Time will tell, although it’s not looking too good.

 

[JBS]

With more deaths than 9/11 and total predicted greater than Vietnam and Korea - every single one of these guys failed us utterly.

The loan programs still aren't actually available to business.


UD

My wife sat in on a call for the charity that she is a board member of. The charity helps special needs people with many services. As you can imagine charities are being asked to do more while continued giving is unknown. Not sure who was running the call but the person gave many bullet points to use with the bank. The .gov is saying that banks are not following the guidelines and complicating the process. Banks not wanting to loan. Who would of thought

 

[Uncle Dave]

My wife sat in on a call for the charity that she is a board member of. The charity helps special needs people with many services. As you can imagine charities are being asked to do more while continued giving is unknown. Not sure who was running the call but the person gave many bullet points to use with the bank. The .gov is saying that banks are not following the guidelines and complicating the process. Banks not wanting to loan. Who would of thought

Charities are being hugely hit right now.

This program looks like a classic shit show. Normally stuff like this gets vetted for months before being thrown out, but this got jammed through and it shows.

The big boys in our industry not bound by the families first act (like Technicolor) have begun laying off by the hundreds

A friend that works at Deluxe says the whole company took a 35% haircut - about 65% better than losing your job totally.

TV and movie productions with millions on their lines are trying to get insurance money for business interruption - going nowhere.

this is going to be a long rough road....

Dave

 

[EmpirE231]

The greatest govt failure in my lifetime is the recent 2-6trillion dollar bailout which puts the final nail in the coffin of becoming a socialist country. America will never be the same.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Becoming? It's been socialist a long time.
Did you forget about the home loan crisis bailouts?

The profits go to few -the losses get socialized.





UD

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Charities are being hugely hit right now.

This program looks like a classic shit show. Normally stuff like this gets vetted for months before being thrown out, but this got jammed through and it shows.

The big boys in our industry not bound by the families first act (like Technicolor) have begun laying off by the hundreds

A friend that works at Deluxe says the whole company took a 35% haircut - about 65% better than losing your job totally.

TV and movie productions with millions on their lines are trying to get insurance money for business interruption - going nowhere.

this is going to be a long rough road....

Dave

Technicolor and Deluxe LOL.. that brings up some memories.

 

[regor]

Charities are being hugely hit right now.

This program looks like a classic shit show. Normally stuff like this gets vetted for months before being thrown out, but this got jammed through and it shows.

The big boys in our industry not bound by the families first act (like Technicolor) have begun laying off by the hundreds

A friend that works at Deluxe says the whole company took a 35% haircut - about 65% better than losing your job totally.

TV and movie productions with millions on their lines are trying to get insurance money for business interruption - going nowhere.

this is going to be a long rough road....

Dave

Nothing against you UD, but I couldn't help but think of this.

Starve liberal cuck cities first boys.

 

[530RL]

Nothing against you UD, but I couldn't help but think of this.

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Starve liberal cuck cities first boys.

LOL........


Of course you will be skipping out on Trump’s giant socialist bail out bill when it comes to your company?

 

[EmpirE231]

Becoming? It's been socialist a long time.
Did you forget about the home loan crisis bailouts?

The profits go to few -the losses get socialized.





UD

I agree..... that's why I said the "final" nail.

 

[EmpirE231]

LOL........


Of course you will be skipping out on Trump’s giant socialist bail out bill when it comes to your company?

At this point it would be idiotic for anyone (libtard or conservative) to skip out on any helicopter money. Who do you think is gonna have to foot the heavy tax bills in the future regardless..

 

[regor]

LOL........


Of course you will be skipping out on Trump’s giant socialist bail out bill when it comes to your company?

Why yes I will China boy, I don't need the guberment's money.

I'm very fortunate..........................................unlike your slaves in your commie factories. ☹


What's the problem, you sure as hell don't mind doing business in those commie ass countries?

Starting to get a little too close for comfort..................whore?

 

[regor]

At this point it would be idiotic for anyone (libtard or conservative) to skip out on any helicopter money. Who do you think is gonna have to foot the heavy tax bills in the future regardless..

F that, I don't want the red tape that will ultimately come along with it. As I said, I'm lucky to have a choice.

If I needed it, I'd be force to deal with those bastards and their mountain of paperwork, thankfully I won't.

 

[The Phantom]

LOL........


Of course you will be skipping out on Trump’s giant socialist bail out bill when it comes to your company?

I absolutely will not take any bail out money from the government. I’ll tell them to send it to 530 RL and Squeezer.

 

[The Phantom]

F that, I don't want the red tape that will ultimately come along with it. As I said, I'm lucky to have a choice.

If I needed it, I'd be force to deal with those bastards and their mountain of paperwork, thankfully I won't.

And regor hits a grand slam!!!!

 

[regor]

I absolutely will not take any bail out money from the government. I’ll tell them to send it to 530 RL and Squeezer.

The whore will take it just like he's always taken money changer bailouts!!!

Whores are all about corrupt cash.

 

[The Phantom]

The whore will take it just like he's always taken money changer bailouts!!!

Whores are all about corrupt cash.

Colorful characters for sure!

 

[Uncle Dave]

Nothing against you UD, but I couldn't help but think of this.
Starve liberal cuck cities first boys.

As a guy with farmer/ rural grandparents I agree...
Big fan of the industry - never been enamored with the talent in front of the lens.

UD

 

[rrrr]

I dont believe china was or is being honest.

I dont feel we were prepared well at all - the messaging to stay home was late, and we are still short ventilators gloves and masks.

UD

No one seems to care that China's prevarications about the number of people infected and how many died are primarily responsible for the rapid spread of the virus worldwide. Governments, advised by competent epidemiologists, made their initial decisions about ramping up a response based upon virulence and transmissibility statistics modeled on China's reporting.

Back in January, about the time China reported 63,000 cases, I told my wife they were lying their fucking asses off. Based on extrapolation of the ratio of infections to deaths, the numbers failed to show the geometric increase over time that the crowded conditions in Wuhan would dictate. I'm not a mathematician or epidemiologist, but I know what communicable disease vectors are and how they work. By March 1st I knew the Chinese government was putting out fake numbers.

All you have to do is overlay the numbers in NYC over Wuhan's using the same time scale to see what I'm saying is accurate.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I think you are spot on- no way in hell the #'s out of China were ever correct.

UD

 

[rrrr]

It is now clear that China and the World Health Organization are responsible for the delay in precipitating a rapid response to the virus.

Yesterday in the WSJ...

The coronavirus outbreak began in Wuhan, China, sometime in the autumn, perhaps as early as November. It accelerated in December. Caixin Global reported that Chinese labs had sequenced the coronavirus genome by the end of December but were ordered by Chinese officials to destroy samples and not publish their findings. On Dec. 30 Dr. Li Wenliang warned Chinese doctors about the virus, and several days later local authorities accused him of lies that “severely disturbed the social order.”

Taiwanese officials warned WHO on Dec. 31 that they had seen evidence that the virus could be transmitted human-to-human. But the agency, bowing to Beijing, doesn’t have a normal relationship with Taiwan. On Jan. 14 WHO tweeted, “Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission.” The agency took another week to reverse that misinformation.

On Jan. 22-23 a WHO emergency committee debated whether to declare Covid-19 a “public health emergency of international concern.” The virus already had spread to several countries, and making such a declaration would have better prepared the world. It should have been an easy decision, despite Beijing’s objections. Yet director-general Tedros Ghebreyesus declined and instead traveled to China.

He finally made the declaration on Jan. 30—losing a week of precious time—and his rhetoric suggests the trip to Beijing was more about politics than public health. “The Chinese government is to be congratulated for the extraordinary measures it has taken,” he said. “I left in absolutely no doubt about China’s commitment to transparency.”

A University of Southampton study suggests the number of coronavirus cases could have been reduced by 95% had China moved to contain the virus three weeks sooner. Yet Dr. Tedros gushed that Beijing had set “a new standard for outbreak response.” He also praised the speed with which China “sequenced the genome and shared it with WHO and the world.” China didn’t do so until Jan. 12.

On Jan. 30 Dr. Tedros also said that “WHO doesn’t recommend limiting trade and movement.” President Trump ignored the advice and announced travel restrictions on China the following day, slowing the spread of the virus. U.S. progressive elites echoed WHO and criticized Mr. Trump. WHO didn’t declare the coronavirus a pandemic until March 11.

Opinion | World Health Coronavirus Disinformation

WHO’s bows to Beijing have harmed the global response to the pandemic.

www.wsj.com

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I think you are spot on- no way in hell the #'s out of China were ever correct.

UD

Agreed. Why did we believe them when we KNOW they lie about a litany of other things?

Because it was convenient at the time.

 

[SBMech]

World Health Order are a bunch of overpaid cucks like NATO, sitting around on someone else's dime.

Allowing ANY "World" entity control of our populace for ANY reason should be considered TREASON IMO.

Fucking politicians got us into this mess, they should be the first to HANG when it went sideways.

Of course everyone knew China was lying, thank god President Trump acted as quickly as he did, the fault still lies on our intelligence failures however.....

Where was the advance warning from ANY of our several "elite" intelligence gathering divisions?

More and more they out themselves lock, stock and barrel enemies of the citizens of this great country.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Agreed. Why did we believe them when we KNOW they lie about a litany of other things?

Because it was convenient at the time.

Did we believe them or did we know better?

This is my question - we have the highest paid best equipped intelligence services on the planet.

Did we know? If we did know what we were dealing with why didn't we act sooner?

Was our eye off the ball looking at something else?

Its all going to come out what we knew and when - too many deaths.

 

[Sandlord]

Did we believe them or did we know better?

This is my question - we have the highest paid best equipped intelligence services on the planet.

Did we know? If we did know what we were dealing with why didn't we act sooner?

Was our eye off the ball looking at something else?

Its all going to come out what we knew and when - too many deaths.

We still can't trust our intelligence agencies.
Too many SES employees with allegiance to former bosses.
Heck, the FBI is still stonewalling and refusing to turn over court ordered documents to the DOJ in the Flynn trial.
And Wray is supposed to report to Barr.

 

[YumaRivernaut]

Did we believe them or did we know better?

This is my question - we have the highest paid best equipped intelligence services on the planet.

Did we know? If we did know what we were dealing with why didn't we act sooner?

Was our eye off the ball looking at something else?

Its all going to come out what we knew and when - too many deaths.

Research William Binney and Thomas Drake.
Interesting opinions on "our" intelligence agencies. The NSA in particular.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Did we believe them or did we know better?

This is my question - we have the highest paid best equipped intelligence services on the planet.

Did we know? If we did know what we were dealing with why didn't we act sooner?

Was our eye off the ball looking at something else?

Its all going to come out what we knew and when - too many deaths.

We knew what was going on, we didn’t care, or even have a plan on what to do. They hoped it would not be a big deal, until someone started waving doomsday modeling in front of people in high levels of government, and government overreacted accordingly.

Government is not in the business of proactivity, it never will be. They will just politicize the response and try to justify their existence.

 

[rrrr]

We knew what was going on, we didn’t care, or even have a plan on what to do. They hoped it would not be a big deal, until someone started waving doomsday modeling in front of people in high levels of government, and government overreacted accordingly.

Government is not in the business of proactivity, it never will be. They will just politicize the response and try to justify their existence.

Maybe you failed to read my posts above or didn't understand them.

The response to the virus in February and March was predicated on the statements by the Chinese government and the WHO. Epidemiologists used the transmissibility and virulence figures released by the Chinese government to perform complicated computer modeling, which predicted how the virus would spread.

The Chinese provided false information, which in turn produced modeling that was inaccurate by several orders of magnitude. That is 1000 X 1,000 X 1,000...etc. If the reinfection ratio was incorrect by a seemingly insignificant amount, say one patient infected 1.62 others instead of the accurate 1.78, the exponential multiplication products diverge drastically. This has obvious implications upon response to the virus.

It's not rocket science. Those that continue to assert this is a failing of the Trump administration don't have a grasp on how transmission vectors work.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Maybe you failed to read my posts above or didn't understand them.

The response to the virus in February and March was predicated on the statements by the Chinese government and the WHO. Epidemiologists used the transmissibility and virulence figures released by the Chinese government to perform complicated computer modeling, which predicted how the virus would spread.

The Chinese provided false information, which in turn produced modeling that was inaccurate by several orders of magnitude. That is 1000 X 1,000 X 1,000...etc. If the reinfection ratio was incorrect by a seemingly insignificant amount, say one patient infected 1.62 others instead of the accurate 1.78, the exponential multiplication products diverge drastically. This has obvious implications upon response to the virus.

It's not rocket science. Those that continue to assert this is a failing of the Trump administration don't have a grasp on how transmission vectors work.

I’m not saying it was a Trump admin problem.

It is a modeling problem. Even right now the models up to this moment are still vastly wrong.

The virus models are wrong for the same reasons the climate change models are wrong. Wrong data and incorrect assumptions.

That was my point... we (someone) knew the Chinese data was in accurate, because why would they tell the truth, and we have the technology to at least check up On some of the data.

 

[rrrr]

Gotcha.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Fauci just added now its probably 25-50% worse than it looks using our latest model because of asymptomatic carriers.


UD

 

[Uncle Dave]

"Seems like" our Intel guys new what was happening as far back as November.

US intelligence warned in November that coronavirus spreading in China could be ‘cataclysmic event’: report

U.S. intelligence officials warned in November that the coronavirus spreading in China’s Hubei region could become a “cataclysmic event,” ABC News reported Wednesday.The military’s National Ce…

thehill.com

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

"Seems like" our Intel guys new what was happening as far back as November.

US intelligence warned in November that coronavirus spreading in China could be ‘cataclysmic event’: report

U.S. intelligence officials warned in November that the coronavirus spreading in China’s Hubei region could become a “cataclysmic event,” ABC News reported Wednesday.The military’s National Ce…

thehill.com

They knew exactly what was happening. Had they done what they are doing now in January the country would have lost its mind.

 

[Uncle Dave]

They knew exactly what was happening. Had they done what they are doing now in January the country would have lost its mind.

Why do you say that ? (just curious) Seems to me satellite picts of dead bodies being hidden/ not reported are pretty motivating.

Since we knew -why wait so long to act?

 

[FreeBird236]

"Seems like" our Intel guys new what was happening as far back as November.

US intelligence warned in November that coronavirus spreading in China could be ‘cataclysmic event’: report

U.S. intelligence officials warned in November that the coronavirus spreading in China’s Hubei region could become a “cataclysmic event,” ABC News reported Wednesday.The military’s National Ce…

thehill.com

ABC strikes again, FAKE NEWS. The Defense Intelligence Agency refutes report, says no such assessment exists.