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Uncle Dave

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No
2 Metro link train de rails/mass casualty

94’ earthquake
San Berdo mass shooting
Multiple car into ocupied restaurants

ALL triages are ran the same way

Precedent ? Yes

SOP is to get as much information as you can from any patient that can talk.
 

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Going out on a limb here. Let's see if the insurance industry takes a stance and what repercussions it has. lets see what the States do to enforce same precedent for those receiving State sponsored health care.
This is an interesting topic to a point.
Who is responsible. Are the bums on the street that lack resources to even get a shot responsible? Do we sign wavers refusing so it goes into a medical record. Those who choose to come into this country illegally and cacth the flu are they getting medical attention? They made the choice.
 

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Lol, playing circus music in my head reading this thread 🤣😂
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Simple answer to OP is "No".
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If you aren't familiar with this you live in the dungeon.

Thanks.

Dr. are firing patients these days.

 

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And cards and prior drug abuse have nothing to do with it
But keep at it Uncle Quixote

Sure dont ask any questions thats way to go right?

Why would anyone want to know anything about a patient?
 

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Going out on a limb here. Let's see if the insurance industry takes a stance and what repercussions it has. lets see what the States do to enforce same precedent for those receiving State sponsored health care.
This is an interesting topic to a point.
Who is responsible. Are the bums on the street that lack resources to even get a shot responsible? Do we sign wavers refusing so it goes into a medical record. Those who choose to come into this country illegally and cacth the flu are they getting medical attention? They made the choice.

Thanks for at least entertaining the discussion......
 

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Where are the words - I expect no consequences. ? They aren't in here.

Happy to have a debate , but you dont get to put words in my mouth.

No ones "shaming anyone". Its debate.

Everyone so sensitive its like dealing with the French.











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It is in the first word circled in red that you just copied.. is it not? Because that's what you where talking about since post #1.. back peddle all you want. I wont hold it against you!
 

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Thanks.

Dr. are firing patients these days.

Just one mans personal opinion.
He suggests that but can't enforce it..
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I answered your question, didn't sign up for a debate.
 

JUSTWANNARACE

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Thanks.

Dr. are firing patients these days.


Good thing that's in Germany and not the USA.. how did that work out for the Germans in years past? NAZI'S controlled the narrative 🤷🏻‍♂️ just sayin..
 

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Well ,
We know who likes to pontificate here🙄
So be it
Carry on king UD
Most of us see you want to just think you are all knowing on subjects you haven’t worked

Safe travels🤡
I’m hearing the same circus music as @Ziggy heard🤣
 

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It is in the first word circled in red that you just copied.. is it not? Because that's what you where talking about since post #1.. back peddle all you want. I wont hold it against you!

The words "I expect no consequences" are in nothing I posted.

Good thing that's in Germany and not the USA.. how did that work out for the Germans in years past? NAZI'S controlled the narrative 🤷🏻‍♂️ just sayin..

Its a doctors connundrum as to who to treat. not mine.

There is tons of reading on the subject.
 

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I'm going to follow the money train here.
There are way too many incentives for the medical industry in the US to not treat each and every patient how ever presented. We all see covid cases recorded as death by donor-cycle have been included. I can't imagine what else can be deemed as profitable.
There are four giant industries that have sucked the lifeblood of our Nation.
War
Federal Reserve
Insurance
Medical

The welfare state fits in there some place but I'm not sure where.

The Chinese flu, Ugly boy floyd and a President who gets lost in a bathroom are all just distractions.
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JUSTWANNARACE

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The words "I expect no consequences" are in nothing I posted.



Its a doctors connundrum as to who to treat. not mine.

There is tons of reading on the subject.

So the word "NO" that you posted is not what you ment?

Noted!

Have a nice day!
 

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I think the real discussion is whether people should pay for their poor decisions. Then the bigger discussion, what is a poor decision?

Will there be a panel of people at the hospital to decide whether you deserve your fate? When minutes count, they’ll be trying to figure out if you were speeding to determine if they’ll save your life.

Without a doubt, there will be people that get gravely ill and wish they got the vaccine, they will probably regret it more than anything, do you want them to pay for that mistake with their life?


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So the word "NO" that you posted is not what you ment?

Noted!

Have a nice day!

You asked a question I replied "no" to.

Then claimed my "no" to that question meant that "I expect no consequences" those words are wholly a construct of your own.

I actually said the opposite in post 111.

You have a nice day as well.
 
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JUSTWANNARACE

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You asked a question I replied "no" to.

Then claimed my "no" to that question meant that "I expect no consequences" those words are wholly a construct of your own.

I actually said the opposite in post 111.

You have a nice day as well.


Your first post!

Just sayin..
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So back peddle all you want.

Every choice comes with consequences, until it doesnt fit your narrative

You can say I didnt mean this, I didnt mean that! Your first post is that if you refuse vaccines than you should have consequences. And nothing about that those that get it.. am I wrong?

Speak up.. but speak "your" truth..
 

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Your first post!

Just sayin..
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So back peddle all you want.

Every choice comes with consequences, until it doesnt fit your narrative

You can say I didnt mean this, I didnt mean that! Your first post is that if you refuse vaccines than you should have consequences. And nothing about that those that get it.. am I wrong?

Speak up.. but speak "your" truth..

Now you are asking a different question.....

I did not talk about the consequences of those that chose to get it in post 1. Correct.

The post worked its way around to the consequences of those chosing to take it and I reaffirm that in post 111 Im reposnsible for whatever outcome that decision bears.

What was my first reply to your first post?
 

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The point of vaccination is to provide immunity and prevent the spread of a virus . According to the CDC the vaccine does NOT prevent the spread so therefore this is all bullshit and the vaccine is no more than a therapeutic at best . Big Pharma is exempt from litigation in lieu of vaccination side effects . An interesting question is are corporations exempt from litigation in lieu of adverse effects of vaccination that they are requiring people to take for service ??
 

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So being refused treatment for an illness or disease with a much higher morbidity, like cancer and countless other ailments, is being suggested as a sane and logical punishment for not getting a vaccination (that may or may not be conclusively effective) against a virus with a <1% fatality rate??
Is that what you are seriously asking?
 

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, but I do think choices should come with consequences.

Back peddle all you want. This is quoted for your first post.

Please elaborate on what you really ment!?

Because if you didnt mean what you posted I think alot of us might be a little confused!

Because the way it reads is basically.. "if you refuse the get the vaccine, there should be consequences!"

Am I wrong? Please someone correct me if I am!!

And if so.. my bad.. carry on!
 

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So being refused treatment for an illness or disease with a much higher morbidity, like cancer and countless other ailments, is being suggested as a sane and logical punishment for not getting a vaccination (that may or may not be conclusively effective) against a virus with a <1% fatality rate??
Is that what you are seriously asking?


Not sure you are talking to,

I had cancer.

If you refuse to follow the recommendation of an accredited specialist in the field of illness - your insurance company can refuse payment later if the situation worsens and you need exponentially more expensive care.

Basically they way it works is - We recommended to you what do - you refused, and now if you die its on you.
 

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So a woman fails to use the pill. The guy won't use a condom. They have sex, and she gets pregnant. Should she be allowed to murder the infant?

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Back peddle all you want. This is quoted for your first post.

Please elaborate on what you really ment!?

Because if you didnt mean what you posted I think alot of us might be a little confused!

Because the way it reads is basically.. "if you refuse the get the vaccine, there should be consequences!"

Am I wrong? Please someone correct me if I am!!

And if so.. my bad.. carry on!

answer my last question before I answer yet another of yours.

What was my first reply to you. Post it up here.
 

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Not sure you are talking to,

I had cancer.

If you refuse to follow the recommendation of an accredited specialist in the field of illness - your insurance company can refuse payment later if the situation worsens and you need exponentially more expensive care.

Basically they way it works is - We recommended to you what do - you refused, and now if you die its on you.

I may have misunderstood the question.
I failed to realize the patients were one and the same?
I know Deb had to get all the vacs and everything they said to get, as you point out.

My thinking was back a year ago when people had to delay treatments and surgeries and a bunch of people I knew had bad experiences (like death)
 

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All medical is paid for use. I paid $24,000.00 annually for medical insurance. I work in the private sector.

My answer to your question is No.

You should not be excluded, if you are not Vaxed.

Thanks for the enjoyment
 

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1 year ago we were convinced to shut down to “ slow the spread “ to allow hospitals to stay on top of things . That means they expected everybody to get infected but just didn’t want everybody getting it at once. Thanks to all of the sheep not willing to stand up to the tyranny the bar is now 100% containment which is impossible . Wake up sheeple !
 

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I may have misunderstood the question.
I failed to realize the patients were one and the same?
I know Deb had to get all the vacs and everything they said to get, as you point out.

My thinking was back a year ago when people had to delay treatments and surgeries and a bunch of people I knew had bad experiences (like death)


Should there be consequences for failing to vaccinate? Yes /No what might they be?

Its a serious discussion going on right now and not at all absurd.

I came up prior to covid when a young woman daughter/ or son (cant recall) went deaf from measles.

The mom refused to vaccinate here and the measles caused her to go deaf.

Covid accelerated the discussion again.

I think depending on the situation it could be as harsh as failure to treat, or as minor as warning.
 
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All medical is paid for use. I paid $24,000.00 annually for medical insurance. I work in the private sector.

My answer to your question is No.

You should not be excluded, if you are not Vaxed.

Thanks for the enjoyment

Thanks private sector here as well.

Should there be any repercussion ..travel mask, anything?

I pay about 2.4M a year for 200 people and its a hot topic.
 

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well...I uhhhhhhh...decided to....uhhhh....hmmmmm....participate.

i assume you take your martinis stirred?

Unfortunately dont drink much if at all anymore, but either sounds good.
 

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So a woman fails to use the pill. The guy won't use a condom. They have sex, and she gets pregnant. Should she be allowed to murder the infant?

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New topic...

What are your thoughts.
 

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The way job based insurance works is that "utilization" amongst other things drives up the price.

were an older company and have higher utilization - ins companies get to legally discriminate against you for high utilization.

If employees choose not to vaccinate and get sick and need to go in intensive care that drives up utilization sky high and these particular people end up driving up the corporate rate, as intensive care is stupendously expensive.

In effect the rest of the company is subject to the decisions of those that may become severely sick by way of getting the bill for it.

If its your decision shoudlnt it be your bill too?
Or does it seem fair to other hand people a bill for your decisions.


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Not sure you are talking to,

I had cancer.

If you refuse to follow the recommendation of an accredited specialist in the field of illness - your insurance company can refuse payment later if the situation worsens and you need exponentially more expensive care.

Basically they way it works is - We recommended to you what do - you refused, and now if you die its on you.
Factual information. The same as if one checks themselves out despite Doctors recommendations.
Again I will say it is all about the money. Nothing more or less.
With zero exposure to litigation I would expect nothing less.


Retort Form 101.
 

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Thanks private sector here as well.

Should there be any repercussion ..travel mask, anything?

I pay about 2.4M a year for 200 people and its a hot topic.
Are you hiring.... thats a Deal!! 50% off from what I'm paying.....

UD, I'm not on board with Covid-19 being the plaque. If it was, NO ONE, would be outside living life...

That's just me....

Masks will NOT protect transfer of a so-called corona virus.... the size of the virus is 1000k smaller than the partials in a surgical masks..

Surgical masks were designed to protect Surgeons from patients blood spatter....

You personally are SCREWED (IMO), the insurance companies will do anything and everything to raise your Medical Insurance rates for your employees and then provide them with less coverage..

Good Luck
 

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Are you hiring.... thats a Deal!! 50% off from what I'm paying.....

UD, I'm not on board with Covid-19 being the plaque. If it was, NO ONE, would be outside living life...

That's just me....

Masks will NOT protect transfer of a so-called corona virus.... the size of the virus is 1000k smaller than the partials in a surgical masks..

Surgical masks were designed to protect Surgeons from patients blood spatter....

You personally are SCREWED (IMO), the insurance companies will do anything and everything to raise your Medical Insurance rates for your employees and then provide them with less coverage..

Good Luck

It gets cheaper (to an extent) if you have more people.

the reaction to this in many ways was worse than the disease.
 

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To the collective group

Your body, your choice, your bill then right?

Or is it your body your choice and someone else bill?
 

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I ask the question to see how the debate goes....

The flu never shut down global commerce, although it kills a lot of people or did.

For the record, COVID never shut down global commerce! Over bearing non type A’s shut it down to protect us all!🤣🤣. Oh and based upon science.👍🏼
 
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