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I started to see a decline in my friend Mullet Jim a couple years back.
He developed a 100 mile stare while I talked to him, became combative all the time, lost weight and drank heavier and was no fun anymore.

At one time Jim was one of those people that was fun to have along. He liked to do anything and was always helpful and supportive. For years he cooked for Club Med and would always handle the cooking on RV trips. A good mechanic and always jumped in cleaning up or setting up camp.
I figured he was having strokes because of his defeated look and headaches.

Jim's downward spiral got him in the habit of leaving the rest room water running and forgetting to flush the toilet. That became a real problem. We couldn't invite him on RV trips. He ran all the water out.

He lost his job for calling in sick all the time and hung out at a bar just steps away from his front door.
The bar was empty one day except for me Jimmy, my wife and her nurse GFs watching sports.
I walked into the restroom as Jimmy walked out and the urinal was filled with blood.
I told the wife and the nurses went in and the confirmed it was blood.
They confronted Jimmy and as usual he got angry, said nothing and stormed out.

About a month later his roommate found him dead, he had been dead for several days. HAZMAT had to remove his body and the bed and carpeting and his roommate got stuck with the bill.

We learned Jim had got his prostate cancer diagnosis years ago, early, treatable stage and chose to ignore it and kept it quiet.
When the free clinic Dr gave him 2 months to live, he spent his last money from his cashed out 401K on 2 months rent and booze and died with $40 in his wallet. Sure enough, he died 2 months after the final diagnosis.

His brothers showed up the day after he died and one was convinced Jimmy had serious money stashed away and all his friends were suspect.
Jimmy made $16 bucks an hour repairing circuit boards, always had a steep bar bill, paid his rent and bills and NFW he had any spare cash.

A sad, pathetic ending that didn't have to happen.

Another friend had colon cancer same time as I did. Bob is the guy leading Huel Howser around in the Lindbergh light episode.
One year Bob was a Jejovas Witness, then the next a Scientologist, then he’d be a Tony and Susan Alamo disciple.
He went snake oil treating it with turmeric, nuts and fruits and spun outta life like Jimmy.

Friend Steve wife Terri was a runway model 10 with a compassionate heart of gold. Her chemo was nearing the halfway mark, markers and tests showed the cancer in remission so she quit chemo and went snake oil. Extract of Licorice root and garlic oil.
Died 11 months later.

I miss them all.
 
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Very sad.
Deb made it 5 years with treatments.
Her HER2 condition would have been a 3-6 month sentence just 2 decades ago.
Dad went 13 years after his prostrate surgery.

We also know folks that did nothing, some on doctors advice, others against doctors advice.
Over the last 5 years I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard people tell us “oh you need to do this or that, it cures cancer!”
Snake oil does not work. There are, of course, miracles and exceptions, but they are not the norm.
Basically, depending on the type of cancer, treatment “extends life at a quality worth living”...as you know that is the goal of today’s oncology system.

Fuck Cancer.
 

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I have to go with the "Fuck Cancer" statement... My mom had a good four years after treatment...but it came back. When she was back in treatment again, it got worse. Her neighbor would talk with me, and know it had been a bad day if my truck was there in the morning. A worse day if it were there, and her car gone. That meant I took her to the hospital.
Learned more than I cared to want about the human body, and it's decline. Her doctor came in when my brother and I were there, and he gave her options about treatment and the prognosis. When he left, my mom looked us square in the eyes, and asked us if we minded her not having anymore treatments. She asked us! My brother and I agreed, and told her it was up to her. Quality of life for her was not of any quality at all.
They eased her pain. Within 40 hours she had passed. I had been there for night shifts, my brother during daytime. I was in LA, at Don Zig's, when I got the call. I went back in, he asked if I was ok...I told him what had happened. Very few words...Then I had to drive home...trying to figure out what to tell my kids.
Later that week, I came home from the services, and checked my mail. A letter from my employer...I was being downsized. I was laughing, and crying, as I told my wife, "This isn't the worst thing this week". I miss my Mom...don't miss the job at all.
 

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Awful disease. My grandpa got lung cancer from smoking when I was in highschool. Him and my grandma had very little money or retirement funding and lived with my uncle. One of the memories that sticks with me to this day and burns a hole in my soul is Christmas day a couple months before he passed. We went over for our yearly breakfast to celebrate Christmas along with his b day which was also on Christmas. The chemo had turned a strong 6’2” 200+ man into a skeleton. He was strong and kept a smile, but I could tell he was hurting. After we finished eating, he got up, got dressed, and went to work. He had gotten a security job to help pay the rent. That’s one of those moments that drives my life. I vowed to make enough money so he would never have to work again, he just had to stick it out until I got my career going. Unfortunately him and my grandma passed before I could make that happen. For the past couple years I’ve worked at a company that develops PS Targeting drugs. We had one that was in phase 3, and showed a ton of promise. Unfortunately it failed, but hopefully someone else can take the technology and push it through to the end.
 
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My sister is losing her battle of 4 years with stage 4 Ovarian cancer, and just signed up for Hospice last week. Her time is near. She has said goodbye to her out of town kids last month. I will go down to Huntington Beach to say goodbye to her tomorrow, since we are headed to France for a few weeks. This is so surreal, but it is something every man and woman on this forum will eventually have to do. As said many times before....


FUCK CANCER!
 

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My 24 year old Nephew got Ewings Sarcoma, did every treatment possible. Got excepted to St Judes (Great Hospital and people) for a trial and still only lasted 9 months start to finish. Cancer is an evil thing and is terrible for everyone, my Sister will never be the same. Seems like I have people in my thoughts and prayers every day now.
 

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I’m camped in DUMONT now with Ditto and his family.
Ditto is one of those giant people and a giant heart.

Most his tongue and trachea is gone and he has to inject liquid food in a port in his stomach.
He didn’t ignore cancer and is glad to be alive in spite of the brutal treatment.
Never smoked they think it was from working with toluene.
 

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After my brother had a seizure and was diagnosed with a super-rare form of brain cancer, my dad was convinced that cottage cheese and flax seeds would cure it all. He sent us all sorts of "literature" propter hoc mumbo jumbo. My brother did radiation and chemo after the tumor removal. He's cancer free now, hate to think of the alternative. As far as can tell he doesn't eat cottage cheese or flax seed extracts.
 
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Cancer is a dreadful disease.

I understand the view of "fuck it" when the diagnosis comes. It's got to be a bitter pill to be staring at your own mortality in the mirror.

It's a personal decision, it is nobody else's decision. I for one would be prepared to check out if my quality of life were to be impacted to such an extent that I could not enjoy it any longer. Of course, one would never know how they would react unless faced with the reality..........
 

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The worst part of this is that my wife says if it comes back she is not going to treatment, she is going to say fuck it and live her best life with the time she has.
 

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Debs treatments were well worth it up to the last year.
Once it was in her brain that was the end. Still, that last radiation Hail Mary did buy us some time together.
I remember her looking at me one day after she was wheelchair bound and taking her 4 chemo horse pills and saying “why are we doing this”?

Before we did the last radiation, we talked about it because they did give us the option of hospice then. (Last November) She asked what I thought she should do. I said that given her positive reactions to everything they had done for 4 years, I thought it was worth a shot, BUT I also said that my motivation was purely based on my own selfishness to be with her longer.
The doctors had made it clear that they would be hesitant to recommend that we persue the treatment, even though the option was available.
We just weren’t ready to say goodbye to each other.
She put herself through that hell of deterioration for me. I’ll never forget that, and that is why there was never a second of doubt about what was required of me in her last 6 months.
I would have done it forever.
 

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I was diagnosed with stage 3 colorectal cancer 3 years ago in August. I received chemo (pills) & radiation at the cancer center in Havasu. The following January I searched out a surgeon in Wildomar Ca. I was told that my surgery was so tricky that no surgeon in Havasu was able to do the surgery. Dr's Lyster & Roman killed the cancer before surgery, and Dr. Gorski in Cali took it out and spared me from the dreaded bag for the rest of my life. They told me 1/4" lower and I would be on a bag. I just had a colonoscopy 3 weeks ago, and was told everything is clear....see you in 5 years...So I guess you could say I am very lucky I beat the evil cancer. When I was diagnosed I figured I was done. I got through it by telling myself....Today's gonna suck, tomorrow will be better! And just keep putting one foot in front of the other! I really lucked out, no puking, not one hair lost, just a bit of fatigue. These days I feel great....Except for the being old part. But, it sure beats the alternative!
 

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Didn't you bring Mullet Jim out to an offroad event a year or two ago? I remember you being pretty torque'd about him leaving the water on. Sorry to hear that he passed.. :(

On a side note I ran into a friend yesterday. He beat cancer a few years back, and was thought to be cancer free. It's back now and he hasn't told anyone (we found out kind of by accident). Kills me inside not telling the people that love him, but if that's what he wants then I'll respect it.

RD
 

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With how fast new treatments are coming to the table, a cure coyld be showing up any day. All the more reason to get treated.
 

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Been there and done that a few years back, (early thirties got my diagnosis), it changes your life. Mine was caught very early and required a life altering surgery but no chemo. Life is different now but still well worth it and you move on. Having a skilled doctor makes a big difference.
My wife really does not appreciate when I joke that part of the marriage contract was to see me through dying of cancer or Alzheimer's. Given my family history and previous track record its going to be one of the two. Of course this is barring a "Hold my beer and watch this" moment that many of us males are prone to........
 

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We are all convinced my Dad was sick much longer than he let on...….diagnosed Thanksgiving Passed February 16th.
 

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With how fast new treatments are coming to the table, a cure coyld be showing up any day. All the more reason to get treated.

Deb was to begin a clinical trial last October for a new Herceptin. That is the drug that blocks the accelerated growth of cell receptors in HER2 positive breast cancer cells, and is used in addition to chemo. During the trial acceptance scans is when they found the return of growth in her brain lesions, and she got bounced. (It would not have done any good)
But you are correct. Just 20 years or less ago HER2 positive was a 3 month death sentence for Breast cancer patients. The drug Herceptin was developed at Berkeley as I recall, might have been UCSF, the initial 6 months was not promising, but then the survival rate in the trial group skyrocketed. People protested outside of the Genentech labs because the drug worked miracles and was not yet released or sold per FDA, and people were dying sooner needlessly.
It got to the point that the FDA had no choice but to increase the trial group size dramatically and fast track approval. I might be wrong, but it seems on one special I watched that a Nobel prize was awarded to the dudes.
“Cure” is a word that oncologists never use. Researchers work tirelessly and with about a 99/1 ratio of disappointment/ success.

When an oncogene is isolated and endless research put into prevention of its formation, it just shifts some genetic makeup and all progress is erased. That is what makes cancer so diabolical.
When people suggest it’s all a scam as far as treatment vs cure, it’s obvious they do not know just how committed researchers are.
Yeah, the politics and insurance and Big pharmacy certainly are money oriented without question.
But the people that research, the oncologists that treat patients knowing full well what the outcome will be have dedicated their lives to fighting this.
Every now and then they are rewarded.
It has to be understood that in science, success is not always total, but is measured in small increments.

We’ve actually came a LONG way in just 30 - 40 years.
From butchery and voodoo cancer treatment to actual science.
The development of technology goes hand in hand with advanced research of today.
 

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Never talk about this much but going back to 1969 my Mom started having sever headaches and our local Dr told her she has having Migraines. After a few weeks and her not getting any better a family member recommended my Father take her to Vanderbilt Hospital in Nashville for a second opinion. On the first day they confirmed she had a malignant tumor on the side of her brain, she was a young mother of four at age 32. She went through 3 major surgeries and after 2 1/2 years she passed at age 35. Fast forward to 2001 my little sister was helping her then BF arrange his new office. As she was on a stool trying to arrange some book-shelve items she became dizzy and then started having convulsions. Her BF rushed her to the ER which was right next door to his office and within 24 hours Dr's diagnosed her with the same brain tumor our mom had lost her battle with some 25 years prior. It literally scared the shit out of her as she had a 10 year old daughter that was the same age as her when our mom passed. In fear for her own child she consulted with specialist if this was hereditary and was told it was not and the chances of what had happened to our mom and herself at about the same age was like hitting the lottery. She went through four years of treatments and lost her battle in 2004 at age 39.
I also lost my father to throat cancer in 1998 at age 62...his little brother passed two weeks before him of lung cancer...they were only doors away from each other in the same hospital.
FUCK CANCER!
 

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With how fast new treatments are coming to the table, a cure coyld be showing up any day. All the more reason to get treated.

I seriously doubt we will ever see a cure for cancer. There’s no money for the Pharma Companies in a cure, but there’s Trillions to be made with treatments!

Cancer destroyed both my parents! It’s evil AF!!! Had a Colonoscopy 3 years ago and I had 13 polyps. The doctor said one was very large and likely would have mastasized into cancer within 1-2 years. Pretty sure it would have taken my life as well if I didn’t have the Colonoscopy when I did. They are now recommending men have it done @ 45 now. Get it done if you haven’t already. It could save your life!!!!
 

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Deb was to begin a clinical trial last October for a new Herceptin. That is the drug that blocks the accelerated growth of cell receptors in HER2 positive breast cancer cells, and is used in addition to chemo. During the trial acceptance scans is when they found the return of growth in her brain lesions, and she got bounced. (It would not have done any good)
But you are correct. Just 20 years or less ago HER2 positive was a 3 month death sentence for Breast cancer patients. The drug Herceptin was developed at Berkeley as I recall, might have been UCSF, the initial 6 months was not promising, but then the survival rate in the trial group skyrocketed. People protested outside of the Genentech labs because the drug worked miracles and was not yet released or sold per FDA, and people were dying sooner needlessly.
It got to the point that the FDA had no choice but to increase the trial group size dramatically and fast track approval. I might be wrong, but it seems on one special I watched that a Nobel prize was awarded to the dudes.
“Cure” is a word that oncologists never use. Researchers work tirelessly and with about a 99/1 ratio of disappointment/ success.

When an oncogene is isolated and endless research put into prevention of its formation, it just shifts some genetic makeup and all progress is erased. That is what makes cancer so diabolical.
When people suggest it’s all a scam as far as treatment vs cure, it’s obvious they do not know just how committed researchers are.
Yeah, the politics and insurance and Big pharmacy certainly are money oriented without question.
But the people that research, the oncologists that treat patients knowing full well what the outcome will be have dedicated their lives to fighting this.
Every now and then they are rewarded.
It has to be understood that in science, success is not always total, but is measured in small increments.

We’ve actually came a LONG way in just 30 - 40 years.
From butchery and voodoo cancer treatment to actual science.
The development of technology goes hand in hand with advanced research of today.
The Nobel prize was just awarded to two scientists involved in immunoncology from UTSW. They are in the same vein of what we were doing with PS Targeting. Very bright minds over there, and I hope they can figure it out.
 

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I’m so sorry to anyone affected by cancer. It affected my mother for a short time, but it was heartbreaking for me even though the best result happened. So I cannot imagine the heartbreak you all went through.

I remember my mom who is really healthy and in great shape just not feeling good for months. Her energy was low, she was always in the bathroom. it turned into 4-5 months of her just not looking good. I finally told her you need to go in to get checked. The doctor sent her home with a take home test. Then called her and said she needed to have a colonoscopy. They said it should be about an hour or so. So I was preparing for 1 hour. 3 hours went by. The lady that kept calling people to come in kept looking at me. I just knew they found something. They finally called me back and I see my mom crying, I’m 23. My mom lost her mom when she was 40 due to corticobasal degeneration.
I saw how hard that was.

They wanted her to have surgery in two days. She wanted a weekend. We rented a wave runner and went to lake Mohave. I remember getting drunk with her in a cove and laughing. The assholes that blocked our waverunner in at the hotel showed up to the cove. Turns out they were the nicest guys and other families joined in and we had a great time to the point where we couldn’t drive the jet ski back to the marina.
they had drive it back while we went on their boat. Which is very uncharacteristic for either of us to do that. I remember thinking I am so glad to have this weekend with my mom before the surgery happened

Surgery happened Monday. They removed the tumor and it turned out to be 2B so no other organs were involved. They said she wouldn’t need chemo. Even though my experience with cancer lasted about 2 weeks. It was the scariest feeling. I am thankful every day I have my mom. She just had her colonoscopy check up about a month ago and is still cancer free.

My mom’s best friends husband had a rare type of cancer. I cannot remember the name, but they spent $$$ and drove to Texas for experimental treatment for months. He was suppose to die within a year, but he lived 4 more years. He was miserable with the treatments, but he would say he couldn’t just give up and he had to try everything.
 

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I had a friend with urethral cancer. The thought of what they cut off was sickening. His prognosis was good. A few months later they found cancer all over. Very sad with 3 young kids.
 

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I seriously doubt we will ever see a cure for cancer. There’s no money for the Pharma Companies in a cure, but there’s Trillions to be made with treatments!

Cancer destroyed both my parents! It’s evil AF!!! Had a Colonoscopy 3 years ago and I had 13 polyps. The doctor said one was very large and likely would have mastasized into cancer within 1-2 years. Pretty sure it would have taken my life as well if I didn’t have the Colonoscopy when I did. They are now recommending men have it done @ 45 now. Get it done if you haven’t already. It could save your life!!!!

“Cure” is an ambiguous term.
What is cure?

Is it prevention?
Is it eliminating cancer from those who get diagnosed?
Is it eliminating things that statistically lead to cancer?

These factions of research all believe they are the correct path and all fight for research funding.

It is estimated that 50% of all cancer in this country can be prevented by eliminating 2 things...Smoking and obesity. Think about that. HALF of all patients would never even get cancer.

How much funding would be freed up for further research if that happened?
Of course, it won’t happen. We can’t just make smoking and being fat illegal. Hell, half of us on here would be in jail.

I personally do not believe that “cures” are being suppressed due to cash flow, although I used to think that.
I think it’s far more likely that fighting over the definition of “cure” is what divides and diminishes research funding.
There has been huge leaps in cancer fighting.
Childhood Leukemia is at about a 95% “cure” rate if memory serves.
Breast and prostrate cancer (the 2 biggies) are being successfully treated to a large degree today.
(Debs downfall was the HER2+ condition)

The variables involving cancers is unbelievable. The mere types and variations is mind boggling. No 2 are the same, none stay the same, none stop multiplying, none stop mutating.

How do you fight a target that acts like terminator 2, but inside you?
 

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Didn't you bring Mullet Jim out to an offroad event a year or two ago? I remember you being pretty torque'd about him leaving the water on. Sorry to hear that he passed.. :(

On a side note I ran into a friend yesterday. He beat cancer a few years back, and was thought to be cancer free. It's back now and he hasn't told anyone (we found out kind of by accident). Kills me inside not telling the people that love him, but if that's what he wants then I'll respect it.

RD
Yep you saw it first hand.
I one day he ran us through 160 gal water simply washing his face and hands.
 

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I seriously doubt we will ever see a cure for cancer. There’s no money for the Pharma Companies in a cure, but there’s Trillions to be made with !

Agree 1000x

Similar to anyone finding a better fuel saving device ..... its bought out immediately by BIG CORP. and never released to the public....

There no F-ING reason in this world that a cure has not been developed to KILL CANCER!!!!!

I HATE OUR GOVERNMENT!!!! F-ING BASTARDS!!!!
 

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Agree 1000x

Similar to anyone finding a better fuel saving device ..... its bought out immediately by BIG CORP. and never released to the public....

There no F-ING reason in this world that a cure has not been developed to KILL CANCER!!!!!

I HATE OUR GOVERNMENT!!!! F-ING BASTARDS!!!!
Agree 1000x

Similar to anyone finding a better fuel saving device ..... its bought out immediately by BIG CORP. and never released to the public....

There no F-ING reason in this world that a cure has not been developed to KILL CANCER!!!!!

I HATE OUR GOVERNMENT!!!! F-ING BASTARDS!!!!

I agree with the fuel deal, I disagree with the cancer cure.

Right now this very instant there are geeks and science nerds buried in their microscopes and computers working on that very thing. People with 180+ IQs and no life outside their labs are deep in study as we type on this site.
Do not underestimate the effort that dedicated individuals are putting in.

Again...define “cure” for a disease that has a thousand faces and a thousand forms, and changes disguises at will.

Many cancers actually have been “cured” already.

You don’t just cure cancer. It isn’t a solitary entity.
You pick a type, and a sub type, and work on that.
Cancer isn’t like any other disease.
It is the devil.
It is multi faceted and of many forms.
It isn’t a one thing cures all by any stretch.
It’s easier sending a man to mars than “curing” cancer.
 

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Which cancer? There are only about 10000 different kinds of cancer. The tumor they pulled out of my brothers head had only been diagnosed in less than a few hundred adults... period. How do you cure a disease that only infects a handful of people each year?
 

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I agree to disagree...

I WISH AND PRAY A CURE IS DEVELOPED TO KILL THIS TERRIBLE DISEASE....

I've lost 8 Family and close friends to this Fing... disease....

Things that make you go HMMMMMM
 

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Agree 1000x

Similar to anyone finding a better fuel saving device ..... its bought out immediately by BIG CORP. and never released to the public....

There no F-ING reason in this world that a cure has not been developed to KILL CANCER!!!!!

I HATE OUR GOVERNMENT!!!! F-ING BASTARDS!!!!

Yep. Ever notice that no American President has ever been diagnosed with cancer let alone die from cancer even though it’s now the #1 Killer in this country. Food for thought y’all.
 

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Ps.... some pics of my ongoing skin cancer.....
I've been craved on more times than a Thanksgiving Turkey
 

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Many cancers mutate by the mili second and also hide fooling the bodys immune system and eluding chemo.
The flat-earthers don't want to hear it.

When my wife started working cancer treatment at USC the cure rate was about 29% Now flirting with high 70%.

CART-T chemo looks promising against Leukemia. Longs ways off of getting it tuned in but it's in the passing lane.

USC's cancer research centers are hard at it as are many others across the country and unless someone has in debth knowledge and experience with cancer research they have no knowledge to make any other claim otherwise.

People are sick with the cancers and chemo treatments, they are down and out mentally and can often be sold on quack cures.
 
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Many cancers mutate by the mili second and also hide fooling the bodys immune system and eluding chemo.
The flat-earthers don't want to hear it.

When my wife started working cancer treatment at USC the cure rate was about 29% Now flirting with high 70%.

CART-T chemo looks promising against Leukemia. Longs ways off of getting it tuned in but it's in the passing lane.

USC's cancer research centers are hard at it as are many others across the country and unless someone has in debth knowledge and experience with cancer research they have no knowledge to make any other claim otherwise.

People are sick with the cancers and chemo treatments, they are down and out mentally and can often be sold on quack cures.

The crash course I’ve had the last 5 years is something I never foresaw or wished for. I used to be one of the people saying that a “cure” would not be allowed...I know better now.

These cutting edge oncologists that I’ve been exposed to are the real deal.
Stanford, UC Davis, and your USC are among the top as are many other.
Sharia Sheth st Stanford literally turned Deb around in 24 hours.
She studied under Dr Chew at UC Davis, Debs last doctor.
ALL of these doctors and facilities are in constant contact and conferencing with each other in their efforts. I never saw any of them ever focus on anything but what would be the absolute best treatments for the situation.

There is unquestionably politics involved when it comes to research funding, I will never argue that.
But once we got out of the small town cancer shop and got to a REAL cancer treatment facility it was night and day.
These doctors and nurses and assistants are 100% dedicated to their craft. They care.
 

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Brief family related cancer and river story. My jet boat, "Bad Company", the 80's open bow, has sat for 6 years. It's last run down the river was my mom's last trip to the river. She loved the view of the river, and loved being on the water. She said my boat was a little too loud, but liked that when we were floating, she could dip her hand in the water. That last trip was perfect. Running from Needles to Topock and up to Avi. My mom relapsed soon after, and passed early the following summer. I looked at the boat in the garage this last trip...she hasn't been out since that trip with my mom. I made up my mind, my jet will be back out next summer. Just hard to think that 6 years has passed.
 

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The crash course I’ve had the last 5 years is something I never foresaw or wished for. I used to be one of the people saying that a “cure” would not be allowed...I know better now.

These cutting edge oncologists that I’ve been exposed to are the real deal.
Stanford, UC Davis, and your USC are among the top as are many other.
Sharia Sheth st Stanford literally turned Deb around in 24 hours.
She studied under Dr Chew at UC Davis, Debs last doctor.
ALL of these doctors and facilities are in constant contact and conferencing with each other in their efforts. I never saw any of them ever focus on anything but what would be the absolute best treatments for the situation.

There is unquestionably politics involved when it comes to research funding, I will never argue that.
But once we got out of the small town cancer shop and got to a REAL cancer treatment facility it was night and day.
These doctors and nurses and assistants are 100% dedicated to their craft. They care.
Treatment facility makes a HUGE difference. We worked closely with MD Anderson and Memorial Sloan Kettering for ISTs. If I got a serious form of cancer I’d be looking to get involved with them.
 

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Ps.... some pics of my ongoing skin cancer.....
I've been craved on more times than a Thanksgiving Turkey

Makes two of us. Been carved on for the last 20 years as a result of summers in Daytona Beach in the 60's.
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Does anybody have any real world experience with City of Hope and USC Keck center for cancer?

How would you compare them? And why?

I know their reputations - I'm wondering more about actual experience at each hospital - which one did you like better as a total experience if you or somebody you know has been treated at each.
 
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